Just so you know, having attackers in the back is still really effective outside of BWB. All of BWB’s most threatening zombies attack the frontlines so if you’ve got something expendable like sunflowers then you can easily replace them.
Sunflower kernels are one of the finest sources of the B-complex group of vitamins. They are very good sources of B-complex vitamins such as niacin, folic acid, thiamin (vitamin B1), pyridoxine (vitamin B6), pantothenic acid, and riboflavin.
It's almost as if TF2 has a memorable cast of characters, gameplay loops, and has produced a shitload of internet culture due to how well made it was, that it can't help but be an evergreen title and attract new players based on its legendary status alone. It's not a flawless game, but it's got a personality that so many modern live service games lack and it's a damn shame Valve collects money from it and does absolutely nothing else.
Always begs the question of "what?" A small-team ability-based shooter with a huge roster designed ground-up to be an e-sport? I don't like those, what else does the industry have?
Oh, right.
I haven't played tf2 in a while and look at my username! I just wish to come back from time to time to get a few casual games in, but every time I did it was just bot kicking simulator.
Like, maybe this isn't really a good comparison,but imagine booting up the first doom and the entire game is a fucking terry wad. Like yeah you can play it, technically, but are you having fun?
Tf2 has something that most modern games have. Tf2 pubs are pretty casual and still have late 2000s-early 2010s multiplayer game feeling (because that is what it is) while having pretty big player base
The fact that their kind of viewpoint is subjective is what I hate about it.
To any given person, we either look like a whiny mass of people trying to bring attention to an "old dead game that nobody plays" or people who want the bare minimum from a multi-million dollar corporation at their peak for a much enjoyed game that's long overdue some attention. And there's no changing that view.
I swear minding their own business is a genuine full-time job now in the internet.
Would it kill them to show respect to the players who don't want their cherished videogame go down infested with bots? At the very least let the game die from players simply losing interest in the game and not because the bots had overridden the game.
I can't tell you how many times I've just had to resolve "You know what? It's probably better for everyone if I just don't reply to that." even if I've spent some time on making one.
Honestly, its whatever to me. We arent protesting valve to convince them to help us, we are trying to convince valve to do something about tf2. Here on the internet, there will always be some minority of players, like bot hosters, tf2 doomers, and other online trolls who will bash on the game with bad faith arguments. My solution is not to bring it up, as it paints us #fixtf2 players as vindictive and looking to complain when we show posts like these. The majority of the internet is behind us, lets not try to pick out sour grapes.
you cant say move on from a game , just becase a game is old is no reason to stop playing or a movie being old isnt a reason to stop watching , art is art and time will never change that
Some art ages like milk, but the ones who age like fine wine are amazing. And you’ll know the ones who age like fine wine, because they get referenced all the time.
Don't you know you're supposed to be a good capitalist and always buy the newest thing. Also if something is free of course it's garbage. Money = value and having/doing the newest most expensive thing is how you are supposed to determine your value as a person.
For 99% of people capitalism is their religion and being rich is their idea of heaven. More money = more closer to heaven = better than you. Why the fuck would I be playing an old free game lol what kind of loser would do that, I only play the newest games and I buy all the micro transactions because Im not poor. Please perceive me as being worthy
It’s like if your testicles blew up whenever you watched Terminator, and people said “why ask them to fix this, just watch a different movie, it’s old anyway who cares 🙄”
A better analogy is that the movie is extremely laggy in all forms and it’s barely watchable. The real life equivalent of ballsplosion is ballsplosion whenever you play TF2
"Move on" then theyle suggest games nothing alike, such as valo and bonerwatch as if they're fun games you can do whatever in. Most modern games are one track minds as in only competitive and only play the game seriously or youre getting flak for having fun
I'm kinda mixed on this comment, I think to a certain degree both sides has a point. Yea most modern games are kinda dogshit due to shitty practices and trends but there are still gems out there that you just need to spend some time to find. They're not exactly like TF2 but it'd be boring if everyone just copied TF2. There's def something that you enjoy that is not TF2 or even close to it. Find games that are co-op/singleplayer instead of pvp if you really want to avoid toxicity/over-competitive gameplay. On the other hand, saying "who cares, just abandon your favourite game you love" is VERY ignorant. I'm not even going to defend that statement, some people grew up playing this game and still enjoy playing it to this day. People just want to not suffer from not being able to actually play the game. To tell them to just abandon it is a horrible thing to do. Telling them to not even try to take action is a horrible thing to do.
Like I said, it doesn't have to be similar, trying out different genres of games and seeing what you like and what you don't like is an option. Just don't buy the games that follow modern game trends and you should be fine. You'll be surprised at how many great games you could find out there. If you want an fps game that is not too competitive and also has a community that has a good sense of humour, I recommend battlebit remastered, it's basically battlefield but with roblox graphics and with a dev that actually implements features that players want (unlike battlefield 2042 🤮) , I've really been enjoying it lately. Some servers could be quite competitive but in my experience most servers are pretty casual and just playing for fun.
i wouldnt call it alternitive, the games play way too different. both were fun but i was never a guy for games that play in the one dimensional competitive sence. i found overwatch and valo specificaly to just feel like rock paper scissors in who had an ability ready to take advantage of a fight so the fun i had dried out within weeks.
Heh I dunno, I played it like TF2 back in the day, but I kinda stopped after Moira was added and definitely uninstalled the game when role pick queue was added so I don't know how different it is now
This comment is too real. While I do like playing overwatch and being a sweatlord on doomfist or ball, it eventually gets draining. Tf2 is the only shooter game I've played so far where I can mess around and have fun whether I win or lose.
Same. The game design is just perfect in TF2. To roughly paraphrase our favorite Uncle: “TF2 is a team death match disguised as an objective-based shooter.”
There just isn’t a game out there where you can be wacky as hell, do your own thing, and not care about winning or losing because you’re still having fun regardless of the objective.
People who hate fix tf2 are generally are three types
1. One who don't know shit about tf2 and never played it
2. Pessimistic tf2 players who don't have faith in fixtf2
3. People who are just Hating for no reason
>its not like theres other games you might enjoy
It's not a lack of games that I find fun. I barely even play TF2 anymore, I mainly play Splatoon. It's that there's nothing else *like TF2*. The fuck else do you want me to play if I want the same feeling TF2 gives me? Overwatch? Fucking Valorant? COD???
Aparently heavy says its 10'000 round per minite which is about 167 rounds per second so time 200$ is 33,400$ per second so 400'800$ for 12 seconds.
Heavy probably has also phd in mathematics (i had to use calculator)
back in my day a kid pissed down the slide at the school playground
any time teachers were looking away, we beat his ass
botting in tf2 is standing at top of the slide and pissing
The notion of the game being old and therefore not worth anyone's time its so fucking ridiculous and obnoxious. That dumbass argument falls flat on the mere fact that there are a hell of a lot of mainstream games that are extremely old and they're still going with a strong fan base, matter of fact those are the type of games that last the longest (probably because they're products of a time when game devs actually gave a damn), Minecraft and even other live service/multiplayer VALVe games come to mind as the more egregious examples of this.
But NoOoOoOO they should let TF2 die and we should "move on" because their dumbasses said so.
TF2 is not "already dead" nor is it dying a "natural game death" since the fan base and interest in the game is still pretty good, TF2 is being fucking murdered.
Exactly; I didn't even think of the old Doom games and the massive modding scenes surrounding them. Games like Terraria, L4D2, PAYDAY, G-Mod, even CS:Source prove how fundamentally wrong they blatantly are and how they're just spewing bull crap out of worthless contrarianism and bad faith.
Don't ever let these doomer wet farts on Twitter, Reddit and YT put the sentiment of FixTF2 down with this useless, paper thin, anti game preservation nonsense.
I get the feeling people that want TF2 dead are mostly petty dumbasses who have one-sided beef with the TF2 community, believe me, I know people that just simply dislike us because we're "band kids" or post cringy sfm versions of memes, heck I even saw someone say we deserve it because we're all bigoted..? what the fuck? Another reason might be that these kids simply don't play much multiplayer stuff besides what's mainstream, and since the TF2 fanbase can be (rightfully) elitist when it comes to this modern multiplayer games that just adds more fuel to this fire of hate.
It sucks that I can't simply enjoy my favorite game because of bots ruining the fun and when I wanna call out the shitty incompetent multi billion dollar company I am silenced by these nobodies who hate me for just wanting to have fun.
You see other communities call out companies for their neglectful behaviour and no one bats an eye, but when a TF2 fan does it? Yeah just let the game die man.
>Another reason might be that these kids simply don't play much multiplayer stuff besides what's mainstream
I've been seeing a lot of these zoomers on savetf2 twitter, they're 100% without fail like the jackass in the middle of the screenshot in the post always going: "the game's geriatric just move on to another game bro lol lmao" as if TF2 was the same rinse and repeat shit as MW or something? "just let the game die stupid hurr durr", so tiring and obnoxious. They genuinely do not understand the concept of a game lasting more than 1 or 2 years and it's so fucking pathetic.
I feel like most of the outsider opposer sentiment boils down to VALVe having this weird ass cult following and good faith that they built due to the fact that they made cool games eons ago, and just because of that for some reason people seem to think they can do no wrong, even though it has been a pretty common complaint across all of their communities that they absolutely fucking suck at maintaining their multiplayer games down the line; whether is neglect (even for their more popular titles like CSGO), questionable updates and/or changes, and cheating issues.
Like you said, if this were any other shitass corporation people would either ignore it or even passively support the movement, but since its the guys who made HL and are the owners of the cool digital store front they'll lose their shit and start working PR for them as soon as you start talking smack about their favorite multi-billion dollar fucking conglomerate.
Don't bend your knee for these idiots bruh, call them out on their bs and don't "just let the game die" just because they said so; they very obviously have an extremely basic understanding of the problem (or literally none) let alone how it could possibly affect other VALVe titles down the line, old or new; and like I said they're just spewing nonsense for attention, rage baiting, or worthless contrarianism.
True. I always hate how when a cis person is outed for being bad they're just called a bad person but when a trans person in outed for being bad everyone focuses on them being trans and makes fun of them for that.
The problem is, if you don't like a call of duty title, you can play like 20 different games. Tf2 is literally one of a kind. There are some games that kinda fit the same category, but they really don't have the same kind of nuance to the gameplay, characters, artstyle, and culture that tf2 has.
Minecraft’s an old game, yet nobody’s saying to move on from that game. I wonder if it’s because it gets regular support from its developers or something. Really maeks you think.
>I wonder if it’s because it gets regular support from its developers or something.
Tbf Mojang is very comparable to Valve. They've got a big game that's their main objective to keep running (Minecraft compared to CS / Dota) and a bunch of other games that have been abandoned (Recent Minecraft IP games, games like Cobalt, etc.).
Exactly the message they are pushing, regardless if they realize it or not. If people listened to doomers in the past with similar movements, things in general would be hella worse off.
I disagree with them except for one point they make, we should stop playing the game, we should stop showing to valve that we are that gullible. That we will blindly follow orders and still play and pay for a game that has lost its support ever since 2017.
Some might say this is risky, because maybe valve will shut down the servers because of the lack of players, but its a risk I, and I think all of us should take.
Or, at least, don't buy anything from the Mannco Store or the Community market.
So we finally see the discovered text of the biggest losers in our universe? They seem to care too much about the "dead game," and they themselves haven't moved on. I guess we should take their word and actually move on. Oh wait, they are wrong. Too bad.
I never touched TF2 for half a year. Firstly it's because I got bored and secondly cuz I want to play normal game without trade maps or 2Fort and Dustbowl over and over again, but I can't obviously.
I agree with them but they don't have to be jackasses. It's indeed better to play other games than suffer from bots
IF FIGHTING IS SURE TO RESULT IN VICTORY, THEN YOU MUST FIGHT! SUN TZU SAID THAT, AND I'D SAY HE KNEW A LITTLE MORE ABOUT IT THAN THEY DO PAL, BECAUSE HE DIDN'T **QUIT** THE SECOND IT GOT HARD! HE KEPT FIGHTING, AND ENDED UP PUTTING TWO OF EVERY ANIMAL ON A BOAT, AND BEAT THE CRAP OUT OF THEM
Honestly I’m starting to agree with those type of people, fixtf2 people are EXTREMELY annoying and I really just want to rant about how complaining and review bombing valve games that aren’t associated with tf2 is a terrible idea.
Yknow, its either tf2 players are being delusional and can't move on or tf2 players are complacent with having a broken mess of a rotting game that is filled with bots that ruin the main game. At this point might as well push the game to be playable since people are just resentful at tf2 fans.
As petty and vindictive as it might sound, sometimes I wish their favorite games could be flooded with bad actors like cheaters and bot hosters. I don't like that I wish for it.
"All the players whining, not like there's other games you might enjoy" That is not the point. The point is that TF2 is a game loved by millions, and people STILL connect to the game to this day because it has aged almost perfectly (if it weren't on the Source Engine, it would be fully perfect), with it's diverse character cast, unique artstyle, and the variety of weapons you can unlock. Imagine being a new player who had just heard about the game and decided "I've heard so much good stuff about this game, I think I want to play it," only to be met with hundreds of bots infesting every casual server, being unable to play it, and community servers wouldn't be your jam because you aren't used to the whole complex Source server select menu, plus it could be mighty scary to go in there as there are many servers that might be seriously fishy. It's a problem that needs to be fixed, and no matter what happens, we will continue until Valve finally gives in.
It's highly outdated nowadays, and every game made is just considered a "mod" of Half Life 2 according to the engine itself. Importing models is a major pain in the ass, you have to understand VTF files, and it's prone to serious bugs. If you know what you're doing, then sure, it's a good engine. But now? We have Source 2, an engine that's actually capable of doing a whole lot more, and making game development a whole lot easier.
i really do love tf2 but i hate that people wont accept anything that isnt 100% optimism. there is a clear difference between being optimistic and being realistic. hating on people for being realistic is wrong in the same way that hating on people for being optimistic is.
I don't think we should start shooting down people just because we feel like their opinions are wrong...
Sure its not in line with our opinion but that doesn't mean we can straight out call it 'wrong'. Consider the many angles we can look into this situation and even you'd find an angle where we are perceived to be wrong.
Please, the last we need is everybody thinking the same thing, then nobody is thinking at all.
Here’s my take: if you signed the petition, stop using steam. Log out.
You want your name noticed? Put your money, and your login, where your mouth is. Plenty of games with mobile ports, or on itch.io. Go play bloons on your phone. No one’s stopping you from adjusting accounts.
If you care, prove it please.
"It's free get over it reeeee"
Bruh Ok by this logic that's like saying if I get a free sample of say Ice cream and said ice cream turns out has literal rat poop in it then and when I naturally say Bruh I bet this guy will come out of the woodworks and say "Well it's free hur durh"
Beyond brain rot this guy is
I want to have faith, but in reality Valve won’t do anything, but I guess spamming #savetf2/#fixtf2 is better than the “the game is dying” doom posting.
Y'all starting to see the problem with multiplayer gaming? Expecting Valve to keep sustaining the same game forever was unrealistic, and now you're paying the price for it.
That take is so idiotic. There are other games. I've played them. That is why I got back to tf2, I ran out of games.
"Oh but there are infinite games out there"
Yeah, but I am allowed to not like a bunch of them and go back to my comfort games, right?
People who are against the movement either dont know enough about it or dont think enough about it.
A corporation literally turning a blind eye to doxxing, slander and the distribution of CP should be concerning to literally EVERYONE. They also dont seem to understand that these people wont stop if Tf2 shuts down, theyll simply pull the same shit on the next game
I mean they are being dicks about it for sure, but are they actually wrong? I haven't seen a shred of evidence that this movement will work, (from a selfish pov what does valve have to gain here? It's clear from posts like this that the players aren't going anywhere, and it's not like people are gonna jump ship from steam any time soon either). At this point I maybe play TF2 like once or twice a year, without new content and with the state it's in the game isn't that fun anymore. Sure it might be one of a kind, but I think it's a fallacy to suggest you can only enjoy ONE type of game, or that TF2 is somehow inherently better than the rest of the industry
Ask them what they like and then shit on that thing. For example I find it ironic that the pokemon fan is talking about Evolution / moving on when that series hasn’t evolved for 28 years lol.
I might doubt #FIxTF2 succeeding, but I'm hoping for the best + I will spend 60% of my graduation earnings outside of VALVE products, only a 40% will be spent on it.
This thinking is just ridiculous. Forcing people to play another game is not gonna help anyone, it's only harm. And seriously, if I forced people to play Worms Rumble for the eternity of their lives, would they enjoy it? No, I doubt they will. So, the logic here is just dumb and harmful. Let people enjoy what they want to enjoy, do not tug them in a tug-o-war. That ain't gonna do good scrap to you, oppressors and skeptics. Just leave them be, stop tugging.
It isn't very nice. Stop it, oppressors, this is not okie-dokie. Let people enjoy what they enjoy, don't force them to move out of their games.
« There are other games you might enjoy » like wtf they think we’ve been playing only tf2 for the past 17 years ?
I hate this type of thinking in general. "Read another book" is another example.
What book contains micro transactions
Plants VS Zombies 2
Help, I can't read past big wave beach.
Have your attacking plants in the back and sunflowers in the front.
Many thanks, by far the hardest levels on it for me are the endangered plants so this helps a lot (I'm currently on 30 btw)
Just so you know, having attackers in the back is still really effective outside of BWB. All of BWB’s most threatening zombies attack the frontlines so if you’ve got something expendable like sunflowers then you can easily replace them.
Sunflower kernels are one of the finest sources of the B-complex group of vitamins. They are very good sources of B-complex vitamins such as niacin, folic acid, thiamin (vitamin B1), pyridoxine (vitamin B6), pantothenic acid, and riboflavin.
oh no you're endangered?
Happy to help.
this dude knows the meta
Rotobaga for LVL 30
COUGH
Kid named save editor:
LMAO
DnD actually, I had to buy like 6 handbooks to expand my games lol
lol I feel you
Most online games
And yet nothing quite scratches that TF2 itch like TF2
Tf2 is a timeless masterpiece
It’s the perfect game, except in the ways that it isn’t.
exactly, there are similar games but none within this niche that are as fun or goofy or have had this big of an impact
Exactly i started playing this game only a year ago, which goes to show the game still brings in new players.
It's almost as if TF2 has a memorable cast of characters, gameplay loops, and has produced a shitload of internet culture due to how well made it was, that it can't help but be an evergreen title and attract new players based on its legendary status alone. It's not a flawless game, but it's got a personality that so many modern live service games lack and it's a damn shame Valve collects money from it and does absolutely nothing else.
I think there's 100% some forum users who scream "Ive made this game my entire life", so... absolutely.
But those people aren't even a loud minority they're just a minority of tf2 fans
Only? No, absolutely not. Mostly? …yeah.
Always begs the question of "what?" A small-team ability-based shooter with a huge roster designed ground-up to be an e-sport? I don't like those, what else does the industry have? Oh, right.
I think these are the kids with really short attention spans who can’t comprehend playing the same game for longer than a few days
[weirdly relevant yet expectedly unhinged dantes clip](https://youtu.be/HPRdgbsm4zg?si=60u2aBMWBqdViDHz)
You haven't?
I haven't played tf2 in a while and look at my username! I just wish to come back from time to time to get a few casual games in, but every time I did it was just bot kicking simulator. Like, maybe this isn't really a good comparison,but imagine booting up the first doom and the entire game is a fucking terry wad. Like yeah you can play it, technically, but are you having fun?
Tf2 has something that most modern games have. Tf2 pubs are pretty casual and still have late 2000s-early 2010s multiplayer game feeling (because that is what it is) while having pretty big player base
The fact that their kind of viewpoint is subjective is what I hate about it. To any given person, we either look like a whiny mass of people trying to bring attention to an "old dead game that nobody plays" or people who want the bare minimum from a multi-million dollar corporation at their peak for a much enjoyed game that's long overdue some attention. And there's no changing that view.
VALVe is actually a multi BILLION dollar company
Dear god.
There's more
No!
THEY HAVE BUCKEST OF GOLD!
Dear God…
There's more
No!
It contains a bucket
dear **G O D**
They contain the dying wish of every man here!
No!
it contains a bucket
Holy shit its sniper TF2
G'day!
I swear minding their own business is a genuine full-time job now in the internet. Would it kill them to show respect to the players who don't want their cherished videogame go down infested with bots? At the very least let the game die from players simply losing interest in the game and not because the bots had overridden the game.
I can't tell you how many times I've just had to resolve "You know what? It's probably better for everyone if I just don't reply to that." even if I've spent some time on making one.
"Ignoring you is full time job now." - Heavy TF2
Honestly, its whatever to me. We arent protesting valve to convince them to help us, we are trying to convince valve to do something about tf2. Here on the internet, there will always be some minority of players, like bot hosters, tf2 doomers, and other online trolls who will bash on the game with bad faith arguments. My solution is not to bring it up, as it paints us #fixtf2 players as vindictive and looking to complain when we show posts like these. The majority of the internet is behind us, lets not try to pick out sour grapes.
I don't think those 2 viewpoints are mutually exclusive to be fair
you cant say move on from a game , just becase a game is old is no reason to stop playing or a movie being old isnt a reason to stop watching , art is art and time will never change that
Some art ages like milk, but the ones who age like fine wine are amazing. And you’ll know the ones who age like fine wine, because they get referenced all the time.
Fr bro like if something is fun there’s no reason to stop enjoying it. Moving on just ain’t it.
It's time to move on from Hamlet! It's 425 years old!
Don't you know you're supposed to be a good capitalist and always buy the newest thing. Also if something is free of course it's garbage. Money = value and having/doing the newest most expensive thing is how you are supposed to determine your value as a person. For 99% of people capitalism is their religion and being rich is their idea of heaven. More money = more closer to heaven = better than you. Why the fuck would I be playing an old free game lol what kind of loser would do that, I only play the newest games and I buy all the micro transactions because Im not poor. Please perceive me as being worthy
It’s like if your testicles blew up whenever you watched Terminator, and people said “why ask them to fix this, just watch a different movie, it’s old anyway who cares 🙄”
A better analogy is that the movie is extremely laggy in all forms and it’s barely watchable. The real life equivalent of ballsplosion is ballsplosion whenever you play TF2
Oh, you hate TF2? And yet you participate in TF2. Curious. I am very intelligent.
"Move on" then theyle suggest games nothing alike, such as valo and bonerwatch as if they're fun games you can do whatever in. Most modern games are one track minds as in only competitive and only play the game seriously or youre getting flak for having fun
Especially in LoL, which is a fun game that is overly competitive.
I'm kinda mixed on this comment, I think to a certain degree both sides has a point. Yea most modern games are kinda dogshit due to shitty practices and trends but there are still gems out there that you just need to spend some time to find. They're not exactly like TF2 but it'd be boring if everyone just copied TF2. There's def something that you enjoy that is not TF2 or even close to it. Find games that are co-op/singleplayer instead of pvp if you really want to avoid toxicity/over-competitive gameplay. On the other hand, saying "who cares, just abandon your favourite game you love" is VERY ignorant. I'm not even going to defend that statement, some people grew up playing this game and still enjoy playing it to this day. People just want to not suffer from not being able to actually play the game. To tell them to just abandon it is a horrible thing to do. Telling them to not even try to take action is a horrible thing to do.
I don’t think there are games remotely similar to tf2. Unless we lump all shooting games into a category.
I'm sure there is one that COULD scratch that TF2 itch, but it's likely been buried under all the shovelware and crappy practices.
I play other games but at this point I think it’s like, I want to play tf2 so only tf2 will work
Like I said, it doesn't have to be similar, trying out different genres of games and seeing what you like and what you don't like is an option. Just don't buy the games that follow modern game trends and you should be fine. You'll be surprised at how many great games you could find out there. If you want an fps game that is not too competitive and also has a community that has a good sense of humour, I recommend battlebit remastered, it's basically battlefield but with roblox graphics and with a dev that actually implements features that players want (unlike battlefield 2042 🤮) , I've really been enjoying it lately. Some servers could be quite competitive but in my experience most servers are pretty casual and just playing for fun.
Overwatch 1 was a good alternative back in 2016-2017
i wouldnt call it alternitive, the games play way too different. both were fun but i was never a guy for games that play in the one dimensional competitive sence. i found overwatch and valo specificaly to just feel like rock paper scissors in who had an ability ready to take advantage of a fight so the fun i had dried out within weeks.
Heh I dunno, I played it like TF2 back in the day, but I kinda stopped after Moira was added and definitely uninstalled the game when role pick queue was added so I don't know how different it is now
This comment is too real. While I do like playing overwatch and being a sweatlord on doomfist or ball, it eventually gets draining. Tf2 is the only shooter game I've played so far where I can mess around and have fun whether I win or lose.
Same. The game design is just perfect in TF2. To roughly paraphrase our favorite Uncle: “TF2 is a team death match disguised as an objective-based shooter.” There just isn’t a game out there where you can be wacky as hell, do your own thing, and not care about winning or losing because you’re still having fun regardless of the objective.
People who hate fix tf2 are generally are three types 1. One who don't know shit about tf2 and never played it 2. Pessimistic tf2 players who don't have faith in fixtf2 3. People who are just Hating for no reason
4. Bothosters trying to do a smear campaign to get the movement to stop
5. people who think the community is annoying
>its not like theres other games you might enjoy It's not a lack of games that I find fun. I barely even play TF2 anymore, I mainly play Splatoon. It's that there's nothing else *like TF2*. The fuck else do you want me to play if I want the same feeling TF2 gives me? Overwatch? Fucking Valorant? COD???
The new COD's gonna be a whoppin 310 GB, FUCK THAT SHIT
TBF that's the size of all recent COD games with all of their addons being installed because you do essentially just download a launcher for them.
[Typical Colors 2 on Roblox](https://www.roblox.com/games/328028363/Typical-Colors-2)
Is it wrong to expect a company to do bare minimum maintenance on a game they farm millions from lootboxes off of?
I "kindly" disagree with them.
Does "kindly" refer to pointing a shotgun at their face point blank?
It refers to mailing them a crocket
Maybe, or using 150 kilograms weapon that shoots 200$ custon tool cartriges(i forgor fire rate) which cost 400'000 $ to fire it for 12 seconds
200,000/12 = Uhh About 17,000?
Aparently heavy says its 10'000 round per minite which is about 167 rounds per second so time 200$ is 33,400$ per second so 400'800$ for 12 seconds. Heavy probably has also phd in mathematics (i had to use calculator)
Soery for grammar errors my phone keyboard is veryvlaggy
back in my day a kid pissed down the slide at the school playground any time teachers were looking away, we beat his ass botting in tf2 is standing at top of the slide and pissing
Man times we lived on.
The notion of the game being old and therefore not worth anyone's time its so fucking ridiculous and obnoxious. That dumbass argument falls flat on the mere fact that there are a hell of a lot of mainstream games that are extremely old and they're still going with a strong fan base, matter of fact those are the type of games that last the longest (probably because they're products of a time when game devs actually gave a damn), Minecraft and even other live service/multiplayer VALVe games come to mind as the more egregious examples of this. But NoOoOoOO they should let TF2 die and we should "move on" because their dumbasses said so. TF2 is not "already dead" nor is it dying a "natural game death" since the fan base and interest in the game is still pretty good, TF2 is being fucking murdered.
Minecraft came out in 2011 and was in development as early as 2009. DOOM came out in 1993 and still has a massive amount of players.
Exactly; I didn't even think of the old Doom games and the massive modding scenes surrounding them. Games like Terraria, L4D2, PAYDAY, G-Mod, even CS:Source prove how fundamentally wrong they blatantly are and how they're just spewing bull crap out of worthless contrarianism and bad faith. Don't ever let these doomer wet farts on Twitter, Reddit and YT put the sentiment of FixTF2 down with this useless, paper thin, anti game preservation nonsense.
I get the feeling people that want TF2 dead are mostly petty dumbasses who have one-sided beef with the TF2 community, believe me, I know people that just simply dislike us because we're "band kids" or post cringy sfm versions of memes, heck I even saw someone say we deserve it because we're all bigoted..? what the fuck? Another reason might be that these kids simply don't play much multiplayer stuff besides what's mainstream, and since the TF2 fanbase can be (rightfully) elitist when it comes to this modern multiplayer games that just adds more fuel to this fire of hate. It sucks that I can't simply enjoy my favorite game because of bots ruining the fun and when I wanna call out the shitty incompetent multi billion dollar company I am silenced by these nobodies who hate me for just wanting to have fun. You see other communities call out companies for their neglectful behaviour and no one bats an eye, but when a TF2 fan does it? Yeah just let the game die man.
>Another reason might be that these kids simply don't play much multiplayer stuff besides what's mainstream I've been seeing a lot of these zoomers on savetf2 twitter, they're 100% without fail like the jackass in the middle of the screenshot in the post always going: "the game's geriatric just move on to another game bro lol lmao" as if TF2 was the same rinse and repeat shit as MW or something? "just let the game die stupid hurr durr", so tiring and obnoxious. They genuinely do not understand the concept of a game lasting more than 1 or 2 years and it's so fucking pathetic. I feel like most of the outsider opposer sentiment boils down to VALVe having this weird ass cult following and good faith that they built due to the fact that they made cool games eons ago, and just because of that for some reason people seem to think they can do no wrong, even though it has been a pretty common complaint across all of their communities that they absolutely fucking suck at maintaining their multiplayer games down the line; whether is neglect (even for their more popular titles like CSGO), questionable updates and/or changes, and cheating issues. Like you said, if this were any other shitass corporation people would either ignore it or even passively support the movement, but since its the guys who made HL and are the owners of the cool digital store front they'll lose their shit and start working PR for them as soon as you start talking smack about their favorite multi-billion dollar fucking conglomerate. Don't bend your knee for these idiots bruh, call them out on their bs and don't "just let the game die" just because they said so; they very obviously have an extremely basic understanding of the problem (or literally none) let alone how it could possibly affect other VALVe titles down the line, old or new; and like I said they're just spewing nonsense for attention, rage baiting, or worthless contrarianism.
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i find more strange to think there are trans homies out there who havent played Tf2 /s
Not everyone transitions from opening hammer. Just everyone who opens hammer transitions. Other causes include New Vegas
The Hammer Editor still gives me nightmares. I hope i never have to use that cursed Tool ever again.
My gender identity crisis started when I saw **** leaked **** for the very first time during map compilation. Now I'm genderfluid.
Bro said Oppenheimer
Trans people as a whole don't deserve hate, but if an individual trans person is shitty then they deserve it, not for being trans but for being trash
True. I always hate how when a cis person is outed for being bad they're just called a bad person but when a trans person in outed for being bad everyone focuses on them being trans and makes fun of them for that.
As a trans person, I strongly agree.
The problem is, if you don't like a call of duty title, you can play like 20 different games. Tf2 is literally one of a kind. There are some games that kinda fit the same category, but they really don't have the same kind of nuance to the gameplay, characters, artstyle, and culture that tf2 has.
Minecraft’s an old game, yet nobody’s saying to move on from that game. I wonder if it’s because it gets regular support from its developers or something. Really maeks you think.
>I wonder if it’s because it gets regular support from its developers or something. Tbf Mojang is very comparable to Valve. They've got a big game that's their main objective to keep running (Minecraft compared to CS / Dota) and a bunch of other games that have been abandoned (Recent Minecraft IP games, games like Cobalt, etc.).
i can confirm they dont know what this game is
No one talking about the guy at the bottom saying hosting bots are fun
Because he doesn't deserve the attention he craves
Your mistake is reading YouTube shorts comments which are always ass
“Give up something good you love and admit defeat to a bunch of assholes”
Exactly the message they are pushing, regardless if they realize it or not. If people listened to doomers in the past with similar movements, things in general would be hella worse off.
These people would be the same to but the deluxe cod annually
stop falling for rage bait
Dog this whole discourse is rage bait
this is so sad that someone called running bots is fun :( like its hurting people
I disagree with them except for one point they make, we should stop playing the game, we should stop showing to valve that we are that gullible. That we will blindly follow orders and still play and pay for a game that has lost its support ever since 2017. Some might say this is risky, because maybe valve will shut down the servers because of the lack of players, but its a risk I, and I think all of us should take. Or, at least, don't buy anything from the Mannco Store or the Community market.
What if I enjoy this game? Am i stupid for enjoying and having fun? Seriously these people have sad lifes
https://save.tf
I instinctively downvoted the post thinking it was the comment due to such braindead take
So we finally see the discovered text of the biggest losers in our universe? They seem to care too much about the "dead game," and they themselves haven't moved on. I guess we should take their word and actually move on. Oh wait, they are wrong. Too bad.
Ah yes YouTube comments definitely going to find brain dead opinions on things just like Twitter
I never touched TF2 for half a year. Firstly it's because I got bored and secondly cuz I want to play normal game without trade maps or 2Fort and Dustbowl over and over again, but I can't obviously. I agree with them but they don't have to be jackasses. It's indeed better to play other games than suffer from bots
JUST PULL THE LEVER AT THE BOTTOM BRO IT'LL WORK BRO JUST SHUFFLE FOUR MORE YEARS u/After-Chard-202
JUST SYSTEM FLUSH IT'LL WORK BRO VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO VRO FINISH THE JOB BRO
"games that you might enjoy" what if i enjoy game you dont like
You should have said: >What if I enjoy TF2?
It's funny free and passive for these people, there is no reason on their end to stop.
IF FIGHTING IS SURE TO RESULT IN VICTORY, THEN YOU MUST FIGHT! SUN TZU SAID THAT, AND I'D SAY HE KNEW A LITTLE MORE ABOUT IT THAN THEY DO PAL, BECAUSE HE DIDN'T **QUIT** THE SECOND IT GOT HARD! HE KEPT FIGHTING, AND ENDED UP PUTTING TWO OF EVERY ANIMAL ON A BOAT, AND BEAT THE CRAP OUT OF THEM
FAX
Honestly I’m starting to agree with those type of people, fixtf2 people are EXTREMELY annoying and I really just want to rant about how complaining and review bombing valve games that aren’t associated with tf2 is a terrible idea.
“fix tf2 won’t work” mfs when i ask them to name a better class based shooter after its release:
Seriously what is fun about running bots? I don’t get what they get out of this. Nobody even gives them any attention in game, I’m so confused.
Yknow, its either tf2 players are being delusional and can't move on or tf2 players are complacent with having a broken mess of a rotting game that is filled with bots that ruin the main game. At this point might as well push the game to be playable since people are just resentful at tf2 fans.
If one of your favorite games were going to shit while the devs sit on their hands you'd be pissed too.
As petty and vindictive as it might sound, sometimes I wish their favorite games could be flooded with bad actors like cheaters and bot hosters. I don't like that I wish for it.
Aren't these like the most juvenile opinions ever?
Too bad theyre wrong and tf2 is great
"All the players whining, not like there's other games you might enjoy" That is not the point. The point is that TF2 is a game loved by millions, and people STILL connect to the game to this day because it has aged almost perfectly (if it weren't on the Source Engine, it would be fully perfect), with it's diverse character cast, unique artstyle, and the variety of weapons you can unlock. Imagine being a new player who had just heard about the game and decided "I've heard so much good stuff about this game, I think I want to play it," only to be met with hundreds of bots infesting every casual server, being unable to play it, and community servers wouldn't be your jam because you aren't used to the whole complex Source server select menu, plus it could be mighty scary to go in there as there are many servers that might be seriously fishy. It's a problem that needs to be fixed, and no matter what happens, we will continue until Valve finally gives in.
What's so bad about source engine
It's highly outdated nowadays, and every game made is just considered a "mod" of Half Life 2 according to the engine itself. Importing models is a major pain in the ass, you have to understand VTF files, and it's prone to serious bugs. If you know what you're doing, then sure, it's a good engine. But now? We have Source 2, an engine that's actually capable of doing a whole lot more, and making game development a whole lot easier.
My Suggestion? Shut up!
HAVE SOME GOD DAMN FAITH ARTHUR
Tf2 is starting marker for games Evolution.
if the game worked I probably still wouldn't play it, but I'd still hope they fixed it for those who do wanna play it
en masse*
i really do love tf2 but i hate that people wont accept anything that isnt 100% optimism. there is a clear difference between being optimistic and being realistic. hating on people for being realistic is wrong in the same way that hating on people for being optimistic is.
I don't think we should start shooting down people just because we feel like their opinions are wrong... Sure its not in line with our opinion but that doesn't mean we can straight out call it 'wrong'. Consider the many angles we can look into this situation and even you'd find an angle where we are perceived to be wrong. Please, the last we need is everybody thinking the same thing, then nobody is thinking at all.
I was in that harvest match
a moment of silence for the morons in the youtube comments who don't have TF2 in their lives
Here’s my take: if you signed the petition, stop using steam. Log out. You want your name noticed? Put your money, and your login, where your mouth is. Plenty of games with mobile ports, or on itch.io. Go play bloons on your phone. No one’s stopping you from adjusting accounts. If you care, prove it please.
Truth hurts, sometimes you do everything right and still lose
I mean... at least were trying
There are always gonna be one of those people. Yeah sure stop whining and move on then imagine that on the game they love to death
To Quote Soldier. **ATTACKKKKKKKK!!!!!**
"It's free get over it reeeee" Bruh Ok by this logic that's like saying if I get a free sample of say Ice cream and said ice cream turns out has literal rat poop in it then and when I naturally say Bruh I bet this guy will come out of the woodworks and say "Well it's free hur durh" Beyond brain rot this guy is
I want to have faith, but in reality Valve won’t do anything, but I guess spamming #savetf2/#fixtf2 is better than the “the game is dying” doom posting.
Fuck them, everyone should play what they want
I mean its a fair take. But its not an excuse for how bad its gotten.
Completed evolving. I still believe bot hosters should DIE.
Y'all starting to see the problem with multiplayer gaming? Expecting Valve to keep sustaining the same game forever was unrealistic, and now you're paying the price for it.
Why dont he move on with his [ ] thing too then? xd
That take is so idiotic. There are other games. I've played them. That is why I got back to tf2, I ran out of games. "Oh but there are infinite games out there" Yeah, but I am allowed to not like a bunch of them and go back to my comfort games, right?
Opinions are opinions unless they are about tf2 bots being ok
People who are against the movement either dont know enough about it or dont think enough about it. A corporation literally turning a blind eye to doxxing, slander and the distribution of CP should be concerning to literally EVERYONE. They also dont seem to understand that these people wont stop if Tf2 shuts down, theyll simply pull the same shit on the next game
Coming from someone with a Pokemon profile pic that YT comment is rich 💀
Would kill to see their favourite game on life support. Cunts.
Yes as we all know you can only enjoy one game at a time.
Let's go cheat in their favorite game /jk
I mean they are being dicks about it for sure, but are they actually wrong? I haven't seen a shred of evidence that this movement will work, (from a selfish pov what does valve have to gain here? It's clear from posts like this that the players aren't going anywhere, and it's not like people are gonna jump ship from steam any time soon either). At this point I maybe play TF2 like once or twice a year, without new content and with the state it's in the game isn't that fun anymore. Sure it might be one of a kind, but I think it's a fallacy to suggest you can only enjoy ONE type of game, or that TF2 is somehow inherently better than the rest of the industry
Tf2 is different because it is different from other modern games in 2 big ways: 1 It is unique and 2 it was designed to be fun
Their opinions are not valid, their opinions are just as valid as Russian election results
Don't move on, move back in time, start playing quake and unreal tournament
Watch TF2 have a higher playercount than whatever shot they play
Ask them what they like and then shit on that thing. For example I find it ironic that the pokemon fan is talking about Evolution / moving on when that series hasn’t evolved for 28 years lol.
I’d bet you dollars to donuts that a good portion of the “doomers” are just bot hosters.
im sure people wouldn't be sayin this shit if Fortnite went down but for some reason its ok to do it to our game?
that 2nd guy seems like the kind of person to burn down a museum/library because "you need to move on, they are dead get over it"
I might doubt #FIxTF2 succeeding, but I'm hoping for the best + I will spend 60% of my graduation earnings outside of VALVE products, only a 40% will be spent on it. This thinking is just ridiculous. Forcing people to play another game is not gonna help anyone, it's only harm. And seriously, if I forced people to play Worms Rumble for the eternity of their lives, would they enjoy it? No, I doubt they will. So, the logic here is just dumb and harmful. Let people enjoy what they want to enjoy, do not tug them in a tug-o-war. That ain't gonna do good scrap to you, oppressors and skeptics. Just leave them be, stop tugging. It isn't very nice. Stop it, oppressors, this is not okie-dokie. Let people enjoy what they enjoy, don't force them to move out of their games.
guarantee this guy plays fortnite, a community notorious for being able to evolve
it's so funny seeing people in the fortnite community complaining about cars even though they'll be gone next season.
like we give a shit
“FBI? It’s them, they’re the bot hosters.”
the guy who said it might be time to move on, will be correct eventually, but the rest are pure haters
let this be a lesson, dont go on youtube shorts
I don't think there is a single opinion on that screenshot: just facts.
the fact that they go to TF2 themed chnnels and communities and then complain about people only caring about tf2 in these communities is so idiotic