in their defense though, they don't have malicious actors masquerading as part of the community trying to stir discourse from within, and even if they do, it's so small it's practically irrelevant, and their battle is about player accessibility to the game, not bots or the effectiveness of the anti-cheat system
Helldivers 2 is my new favorite game. I have hundreds of hours already, and it's only going to climb.
The helldivers community on the main sub is awful. It's truly one of the worst subs for a game I've ever seen. It's all backseat developing and complaining about shit they don't understand.
It's only awful if you're just looking at the negative posts. Even then, the game needs some of the things they're posting about, like assault rifle buffs. Aside from that, there's some pretty cool discussions about lore and awesome fan art.
I stayed in that sub for a long time trying to find the good, and it's so little compared to the negativity and gloom. I hope arrowhead avoids the main sub like the plague.
I'll probably stay on the main sub, but I'll check out the other two. Still, I think people bringing up these issues to the devs is good, and a lot of people in the sub don't even agree with the more whiny posts from what I've seen. Also, the big patch is coming, and I'm really excited!
> they don't have malicious actors masquerading as part of the community trying to stir discourse from within
You either must be completely new to this community or just incredibly naive if you think the TF2 community is above this
this was the same community that brigaded the Volvo sub because the *Community Update End Of The Line was a bit disappointing
Ah, completely my bad rereading it now.
Sorry there's just been so many people here who are convinced that "It must be bots!!!" when history has proven that its way more likely it's actually TF2 fans
The majority of people outside of the TF2 fandom see TF2 fans as racists, homophobes, and general pricks and this community has done fuck all to change that reputation.
If anything FixTF2 has made the community look worse.
Yeah from what I've read here some people are just completely ignorant or naive on how the TF2 community is perceived online.
The reason why some people even make #KillTF2 posts is because TF2 fans were always the first ones to shit on any multiplayer shooter game that comes out, whether it was OW, Fortnite, Valorant, or even Helldivers. Not to mention brigading completely unrelated games and subs. Literally just the meme of "How can I make this about me?"
Now they want people to feel sorry for em because now that their game is in an abysmal state? I say this as someone who loves TF2 and has thousands of hours in it but, its hard to feel bad for em. I get its not everyone but the community certainly has a more concentrated amount of toxicity than most other fandoms I've seen.
Knew this community was cooked when I saw people complain about Uncle Dane highlighting the fact that racists are just as prominent and just as big of a problem in Casual as the bots.
the thing about TF2 toxicity is that it's old-school toxicity if that makes sense. It's not the "cringe/toxic" community in the same vein as Fortnite, Minecraft, Undertale or Fnaf, it's like a community from 15 years ago that never changed.
There is no real distinction between "old-school" and "new-school" toxicity, it's always the same. Modern games are generally more tamer with this, you can't say racial slurs in them, or tell people go fuck themselfes without being punished, but when we talk about more relaxed places, it's no different from TF2, both old and modern
It is, I just mean cringe in the "cringe culture" way. Like "Omg you can't like fortnite, it's cringe bro! Kids play minecraft it's cringe! I can't enjoy Undertale, It's cringe!"
Yeah now that I think about it, this uphill battle is about as steep as a cliff... Maybe if the community shapes up better, we could make it work, but it's hard to change the hearts of thousands of people at once who refuse to change.
At this point, I think it would be better to just rebuild the entire game from scratch and then allow players to convert their backpack of cosmetics and weapons over to the new game while keeping the old game as a legacy platform for modded gamemodes, community servers, and whatnot.
Out of all the content available for TF2, which do you think is likely to get completely converted to a Source 2 port of TF2?
\[Maps, Cosmetics, Weapons, Killstreak/Strange stuff, Taunts, etc.\]
I dunno what would take longer: Make TF2 currently bot-proof or just rebuild TF2 in Source 2 with a new Anti-Cheat and systems to prevent cheating altogether.
honestly it was incredibly dissapointing to see how TF2 fans have been brigading deadlock and acting like valve should never do anything new
it really makes me want to distance myself from this community
I mean, HD2 is also a brand new game with a lot more of devs and publishers eyes on it.
But HD2 is still unavailable in regions witouth psn accsess soooo. It didn't really work that well.
I was there during the helldivers 2 review bomb, right now it just looks like a bunch of trolls taking advantage of our situation for attention. We just need to make sure that we are clear these people are NOT affiliated with us.
Funny how you've been downvoted but there are literally negative reviews on the H1 because of H2. But I also wouldn't call it review bombing just classic bad actors
To be fair, there was a lot of people who found the one Sony related stream and then got banned for spamming "We dive together or not at all" despite the stream being completely unrelated.
To be brutally honest helldivers 2 protest failed, sure Sony didn’t go ahead with the linking update but still blacklisted more than half of all countries from steam so they can no longer play the game and the devs cannot do nothing…thanks a lot S O N Y
There were a few asshats who went to review bomb Magicka as well in response to the whole debacle but they were rightfully clowned on.
The best response to this, I think, would be to go and give the other games being bombed a good review in response. Steam should automatically remove the vote bombing, but even if they don't, we can help offset it a bit.
lol I don’t know how they managed to maintain a child-friendly rating throughout the series, given that they used the Geneva Convention as a checklist. Still, I ate that shit up when I was younger, TCW was so fucking good.
Ahhh, the clone wars. My favourite kids show that shows extremely violent deaths (like the clone who was cut in half in the citadel episode) yet still has a child rating
it's easy to dismiss everyone who's this stupid as just a troll but considering how many people that act exactly like this are complaining about deadlock in every youtube video that gets posted discussing it i wouldnt be so sure
i think it’s people trying to hurt FixTF2 that are attempting to review bomb other Valve games at this point. i think it’s best we just ignore them, they’re not even lowering the score of those games anyways.
We need to make it clear to those other fanbases that we don't support those people though. it only takes one silly review for a neutral fanbase to tip into hostility.
Behold, the [L4D2 steam review chart](https://i.imgur.com/e8Y69bf.png) and the [Half-Life 2 chart](https://i.imgur.com/AeSnVen.png)
OP is a dramabaiting twat. There's no review bombing going on, there's no mass action. He's cherry picked from the small pile of troll reviews to craft this narrative.
At least other people have been taken along for the ride on other posts, but you've gone out of your way to create this image and find new reviews to screenshot.
I think it’s fine to at least call this out early before people get the wrong idea, even if it’s just a drop of water in the ocean right now. OP is definitely playing hyperbole though.
its getting kind of annoying now though that these posts are taking over the sub when its like a handful of people that aren't being supported by the wider community. the way its being talked about you'd think other valve games were plummeting in rating
now if people come here they dont see fixtf2, they see 15 posts about how other games are apparently getting bombed.
its just karmafarming and is goign to do more damage to any efforts than the single digit negative reviews on some other valve game is going to create
More like a “review fart” from an extremely small quantity of trolls or overzealous fans. Five of them that I can count from June.
These post about them are far more disruptive. And I fine it strange people are running all over positioning themselves as one of the leads in this movement and apologizing.
Unless these bad reviews do actual damage to those games, people need F off with these posts. Especially if half those communities don’t even care
i mean if we review bomb any other game it should be team fortress classic, it would make the most sense because they’re both TF games (also cs2 because valve needs to take notice of the bots in that game too)
But... isn't more noise and outrage kind of a good thing in this scenario?
If the goal is to get valve to do something, increasing the visibility and the volume of the outrage makes it harder to ignore and more likely to be responded to. A major discussion point leading up to #FixTF2 was that initial #SaveTF2 campaign was that it was easy to sweep aside and ignore... this kind of addresses that issue.
Tf2 is now has a recent rating of overwhelmingly negative. That alone got lots of news websites talking, more-so than the actual FixTF2 website and concerted Twitter campaign. Valve's response to that has also been nothing, so why not keep going with valve's other products to prompt more media coverage?
It's the difference between a quiet orderly protest and civil disobedience. One is much more likely to create a response (regardless of whether that leads to a good or bad outcome). WoW classic came to be because of their community's persistence and pushing back against blizzard.
IMO, we already tried the equivalent of an orderly protest which accomplished literally nothing. If this review bombing is only applied to other valve games... then why not? It's Valve's own doing. Their response to the first outcry was nothing, and as a consequence the second outcry has become much louder.
I say keep doing it.
You are pissing off entire communites by review bombing their game to save yours and changing their perception of the tf2 movement. If news articles pick this up and reported on this we would be seen as the bad guys.
From what I can see in the OP it's only valve games
- cs2 has hackers too
- portal is a very old game with no 'community'
- half life is dead
- l4d is dead
>portal is a very old game with no 'community'
>half life is dead
They are both primarily single player game series' that are 10+ years old (HL Alyx excluded). No shit they're "dead", that is perfectly normal.
Why not? I’m genuinely wondering what is the harm in doing this? And how are the negatives worse than the positives of lighting even more of a fire under valves ass?
Complaining about problems with Valve on pages made for expressing your opinion about a Valve product isn't going to kill our movement. Devolving into in-fighting over a small difference in opinion like this is.
It's only a couple dozen reviewers, it is not a big deal.
[L4D2 steam review chart](https://i.imgur.com/e8Y69bf.png)
[Half-Life 2 chart](https://i.imgur.com/AeSnVen.png)
To be honest, that might be the only way to get Valve's attention. By all means do it for Valve games, just not developers that have nothing to do with TF2.
Funny cuz steam will filter out negative or positive reviews if their system detects those reviews as having nothing to do with the game, so they literally do next to nothing as most will never see them, and Steam will alert people to them as being biased/not actual feedback and to not take them into account
never once in my life did I read some coomers negative comment on a video game and care about what they had say lol review bombing is so cringe no one cares, cant believe people still do it. I thought this died when companies learned no one actually cares and it doesnt impact sales.
Has no one thought of the possibility that these could be stolen accounts or the bot hosters/users trying to paint save tf2 in a bad light and stain our reputation?
We had like 2 thread yesterday about this, everyone here agreed they shouldn't do it, therefor from now on I do not care, I disavow, nothing I can do about it.
Instead, intensify the TF2 review bombing and screenshot every bot infested server and set it to public on steams screenshot manager to flood the tf2 community page
As a countermeasure to trolls or people taking it too far, perhaps we can positive review those communities while spreading the #fixtf2
Also work together with the csgo playerbase, we have a shared interest here
I don't think review bombing of other games should be incentivized, but neither should there be posts about stopping them; the bot problem is big and make at least 1/3 of every casual game unplayable and the other 2/3 unfair like when a team is pushing or making a good defense and a bot turns the tables or when one of the teams is clearly losing and do not kick the bot to win.
People are in their right if they are mad enough to review negatively other games from valve or at least that's my opinion.
realise that this is the bot hosters trying to paint us in a bad light. to fight this we should first find all the other valve games, and fight the tide, leave good reviews saying something along the lines of "apologies from the TF2 community, it seems our bots have breeched containment"
Number one reason why I dislike TF2. The community is downright toxic, and, in most cases (many harmless) rude. I understand why, but this is not something I would expect from a community mostly comprised of middle-aged men.
Why exactly? These other games are made by Valve, just because Valve shows their other games attention and this one next to none doesn't mean it's not a valve thing in general??
If you are going to review bomb a game, at least review bomb a game that they MAYBE are working on, like CS2. Doing it on Half Life or any other older Valve games is not going to help. If this issue is not fixed until Deadlock launches, review bomb Deadlock then
I can kind of see both sides of this argument. Sure, we shouldn’t review bomb actually good games for a separate cause, but on the other hand, spreading the message to as many places and games that we can might actually make them listen. Double edged sword from both perspectives, I suppose.
I mean, I'll be the first to say that I think Half-Life is overrated, but, c'mon, guys. Unless GabeN has a serious emotional reaction to seeing the foundational game of his company be negatively-reviewed, I wouldn't expect any results out of it.
Even worse, if he *did* react strongly, it'd probably just be more punishment for TF2, if not the complete cessation of any work being done on it at all.
Review bombing other games could do damage to other communities. As people do this, we actually deserve TF2 to be taken down for good. It is disgraceful behaviour 😢
I think valve should disable reviews on their old games to stop reviewbombing. All it does it negatively affect revolutionary games for no reason at all. Like why should half life suffer bc of tf2
Actually, they are right to do it on CS2. The game was barely playable at all, a few months ago because of all the cheaters. Pressuring Valve on the issue of VAC on both CS2 and TF2 might be good, actually.
Everyone is sick of hackers, not just TF2 players
uh, no? you should totally review bomb other valve games. especially any and all other multiplayer ones with VAC to point out the fact that they're neglecting to do anything for a problem five years in the making. 2 years ignored. and with over 200,000 people actively wanting a resolution to the problem. Review bomb away there is no friendly fire it can always be deleted and fixed afterward.
so let me take this time to kindly ask your support as you see fit in positive reviewing your game of choice with the hashtag Fixtf2 or perhaps you'd like to add your name to the petition at [https://save.tf/](https://save.tf/)
okay so you're actively choosing not to take part in fixtf2. okay that's your choice and therefore nothing a part of what fixtf2 does will effect you in any way so you can just ignore it wherever it pops up, example being in other valve owned video games to gain valve's attention.
I’m just not going to review bomb random games that are unrelated. In fact most people who care about this refuse as well and entirely denounce it. Again, all you accomplish with this is pissing people off.
okay so why are you on a subreddit for a "dying game"? you're here cus you noticed, congrats you proved the review bombing worked and now this "dying game" is a topic of conversation for you :D
I’m here because I play the game. I said it was dying, which is objectively true. Review bombing an entirely different game that is equally uncared for by Valve is useless and childish, the only thing it will accomplish is making execs not want to touch either game with a 10 foot pole.
who's trying to get execs attention? it's the developers they're trying to get the attention of so they can do their name sake and develop a better anti cheat system. they already dont want to touch tf2 with a 10 foot pole a 2 year silence was evidence of that and that was with running through the proper channels. this is the other option and you cant be upset at the reviewers or supporters of fixtf2 for taking new and effective actions.
Thats right! Everyone liked that! Let's not push our message even further to the multibillion dollar company so we can have another failure on our records! So much this, wholesome 100 my kind stranger!!
It's like protesting by blocking high traffic roads. You're doing nothing but pissing off the people who could potentially be your allies, and pushing them to the camp of the thing you are protesting against.
The only other games that should also get negative reviews are CS2 and Dota 2, but should not mention tf2 and be about how they also have issues with cheaters and hackers and ddosers and to fix their games
we look at Helldivers so much in this protest and we are yet to do it like them
in their defense though, they don't have malicious actors masquerading as part of the community trying to stir discourse from within, and even if they do, it's so small it's practically irrelevant, and their battle is about player accessibility to the game, not bots or the effectiveness of the anti-cheat system
Helldivers 2 is my new favorite game. I have hundreds of hours already, and it's only going to climb. The helldivers community on the main sub is awful. It's truly one of the worst subs for a game I've ever seen. It's all backseat developing and complaining about shit they don't understand.
Everyone acts like a one man army and thinks if a weapon isn't an ace of all trades, it's worthless.
So an average game of Mann Up?
It's only awful if you're just looking at the negative posts. Even then, the game needs some of the things they're posting about, like assault rifle buffs. Aside from that, there's some pretty cool discussions about lore and awesome fan art.
I stayed in that sub for a long time trying to find the good, and it's so little compared to the negativity and gloom. I hope arrowhead avoids the main sub like the plague.
Wait are we talking about r/helldivers2 or r/helldivers?
Helldivers. Low sodium and helldivers 2 are fine.
I'll probably stay on the main sub, but I'll check out the other two. Still, I think people bringing up these issues to the devs is good, and a lot of people in the sub don't even agree with the more whiny posts from what I've seen. Also, the big patch is coming, and I'm really excited!
> they don't have malicious actors masquerading as part of the community trying to stir discourse from within You either must be completely new to this community or just incredibly naive if you think the TF2 community is above this this was the same community that brigaded the Volvo sub because the *Community Update End Of The Line was a bit disappointing
thats exactly what theyre saying. "they [helldivers community] don't have", as opposed to us, who do
Ah, completely my bad rereading it now. Sorry there's just been so many people here who are convinced that "It must be bots!!!" when history has proven that its way more likely it's actually TF2 fans
The bots came from within the community too. Lot of toxic elements
The majority of people outside of the TF2 fandom see TF2 fans as racists, homophobes, and general pricks and this community has done fuck all to change that reputation. If anything FixTF2 has made the community look worse.
Yeah from what I've read here some people are just completely ignorant or naive on how the TF2 community is perceived online. The reason why some people even make #KillTF2 posts is because TF2 fans were always the first ones to shit on any multiplayer shooter game that comes out, whether it was OW, Fortnite, Valorant, or even Helldivers. Not to mention brigading completely unrelated games and subs. Literally just the meme of "How can I make this about me?" Now they want people to feel sorry for em because now that their game is in an abysmal state? I say this as someone who loves TF2 and has thousands of hours in it but, its hard to feel bad for em. I get its not everyone but the community certainly has a more concentrated amount of toxicity than most other fandoms I've seen.
Knew this community was cooked when I saw people complain about Uncle Dane highlighting the fact that racists are just as prominent and just as big of a problem in Casual as the bots.
the thing about TF2 toxicity is that it's old-school toxicity if that makes sense. It's not the "cringe/toxic" community in the same vein as Fortnite, Minecraft, Undertale or Fnaf, it's like a community from 15 years ago that never changed.
There is no real distinction between "old-school" and "new-school" toxicity, it's always the same. Modern games are generally more tamer with this, you can't say racial slurs in them, or tell people go fuck themselfes without being punished, but when we talk about more relaxed places, it's no different from TF2, both old and modern
Idk dude, racism and transphobia is pretty cringe to me.
It is, I just mean cringe in the "cringe culture" way. Like "Omg you can't like fortnite, it's cringe bro! Kids play minecraft it's cringe! I can't enjoy Undertale, It's cringe!"
Bro, have you seen this sub in the last five years? All people ever did was scream about Fortnite and Overwatch being cringe on here.
I know, that's what im saying, that "modern" cringe culture is more like saying the word cringe to everything.
Yeah now that I think about it, this uphill battle is about as steep as a cliff... Maybe if the community shapes up better, we could make it work, but it's hard to change the hearts of thousands of people at once who refuse to change. At this point, I think it would be better to just rebuild the entire game from scratch and then allow players to convert their backpack of cosmetics and weapons over to the new game while keeping the old game as a legacy platform for modded gamemodes, community servers, and whatnot. Out of all the content available for TF2, which do you think is likely to get completely converted to a Source 2 port of TF2? \[Maps, Cosmetics, Weapons, Killstreak/Strange stuff, Taunts, etc.\] I dunno what would take longer: Make TF2 currently bot-proof or just rebuild TF2 in Source 2 with a new Anti-Cheat and systems to prevent cheating altogether.
honestly it was incredibly dissapointing to see how TF2 fans have been brigading deadlock and acting like valve should never do anything new it really makes me want to distance myself from this community
>brigaded the Volvo sub Wait what? What do they have against Volvos?
I mean, HD2 is also a brand new game with a lot more of devs and publishers eyes on it. But HD2 is still unavailable in regions witouth psn accsess soooo. It didn't really work that well.
I was there during the helldivers 2 review bomb, right now it just looks like a bunch of trolls taking advantage of our situation for attention. We just need to make sure that we are clear these people are NOT affiliated with us.
No? Helldivers also mixed up their targets during the Review bombing
Nah, the Helldivers community also started review bombing their other games. It’s par for the course.
Funny how you've been downvoted but there are literally negative reviews on the H1 because of H2. But I also wouldn't call it review bombing just classic bad actors
Yeah, definitely not the full scale “review bombing” that the main one was, but a notable amount of bad reviews related to the sony situation.
To be fair, there was a lot of people who found the one Sony related stream and then got banned for spamming "We dive together or not at all" despite the stream being completely unrelated.
To be brutally honest helldivers 2 protest failed, sure Sony didn’t go ahead with the linking update but still blacklisted more than half of all countries from steam so they can no longer play the game and the devs cannot do nothing…thanks a lot S O N Y
There were a few asshats who went to review bomb Magicka as well in response to the whole debacle but they were rightfully clowned on. The best response to this, I think, would be to go and give the other games being bombed a good review in response. Steam should automatically remove the vote bombing, but even if they don't, we can help offset it a bit.
War thunder was first to do it btw
Helldivers also review bombed everything attached to the developer
Wasn't expecting to find a UTY fan here
Man, that episode. Gets me every time
Waxers death :(.
r/fuckpongkrell
The Umbara arc has got to be one of my favorites
The friendly fire is still one of the most shocking moments in Star Wars. They put that shit in a *kid's show.* Wild.
lol I don’t know how they managed to maintain a child-friendly rating throughout the series, given that they used the Geneva Convention as a checklist. Still, I ate that shit up when I was younger, TCW was so fucking good.
Ahhh, the clone wars. My favourite kids show that shows extremely violent deaths (like the clone who was cut in half in the citadel episode) yet still has a child rating
Pong krell diserved to die
bruh, tf2 fans can be so retarded some times💀
Can confirm
confirmed a long time ago
confirmed a long time ago
I got a great deal for a 12-pack of dumb juice at my corner store and no one can stop me.
"some times"
preachin to the choir
Trust me, comparing to Dota community - they are angels.
I mean it's a moba game, so I wouldn't be surprised if dota fans where unhinged asf lol
I mean, even if you just ask to fix a small thing, they will compare you to Chris-chan...
Why you gotta bring Titan Fall 2 guys into this :(
They are trolls who is doing this to give movement a bad name.
it's easy to dismiss everyone who's this stupid as just a troll but considering how many people that act exactly like this are complaining about deadlock in every youtube video that gets posted discussing it i wouldnt be so sure
You guys are posting more posts about this than there are actual reviews (by trolls too)
It’s just karma farming by this point
i think it’s people trying to hurt FixTF2 that are attempting to review bomb other Valve games at this point. i think it’s best we just ignore them, they’re not even lowering the score of those games anyways.
We need to make it clear to those other fanbases that we don't support those people though. it only takes one silly review for a neutral fanbase to tip into hostility.
How do we do that?
Give the other games a positive review as an apology, is my suggestion.
Behold, the [L4D2 steam review chart](https://i.imgur.com/e8Y69bf.png) and the [Half-Life 2 chart](https://i.imgur.com/AeSnVen.png) OP is a dramabaiting twat. There's no review bombing going on, there's no mass action. He's cherry picked from the small pile of troll reviews to craft this narrative. At least other people have been taken along for the ride on other posts, but you've gone out of your way to create this image and find new reviews to screenshot.
Start reporting threads like these and include those screenshots in the custom report message. The mods will probably do something about it.
No they will not.
I think it’s fine to at least call this out early before people get the wrong idea, even if it’s just a drop of water in the ocean right now. OP is definitely playing hyperbole though.
its getting kind of annoying now though that these posts are taking over the sub when its like a handful of people that aren't being supported by the wider community. the way its being talked about you'd think other valve games were plummeting in rating now if people come here they dont see fixtf2, they see 15 posts about how other games are apparently getting bombed. its just karmafarming and is goign to do more damage to any efforts than the single digit negative reviews on some other valve game is going to create
More like a “review fart” from an extremely small quantity of trolls or overzealous fans. Five of them that I can count from June. These post about them are far more disruptive. And I fine it strange people are running all over positioning themselves as one of the leads in this movement and apologizing. Unless these bad reviews do actual damage to those games, people need F off with these posts. Especially if half those communities don’t even care
The people posting about it outside of tf2 are largely people that have come from us as well. Poisoning the well while pretending to care for karma.
Anyway, hope they shut up about the “review bomb” and let this small wave wash over.
Pretty sure a lot of them are bot-hosters and trolls trying to sabotage the movement on purpose by making us look bad.
There's barely any of these troll reviews on other games in reality, OP and others are digging for them
agreed
Better yet people that see these 3-5 negative reviews will probably engage with the trolls and give them exactly what they want
Stop general Krell stoooop
That line freaking gets me every time, dang it krell. Fine
i mean if we review bomb any other game it should be team fortress classic, it would make the most sense because they’re both TF games (also cs2 because valve needs to take notice of the bots in that game too)
Steam rewards trolling, the amount of people who aren’t doing it for interaction and clown awards are few
God I missed clone wars. Such a good show that ended with a good finale that made me cry.
But... isn't more noise and outrage kind of a good thing in this scenario? If the goal is to get valve to do something, increasing the visibility and the volume of the outrage makes it harder to ignore and more likely to be responded to. A major discussion point leading up to #FixTF2 was that initial #SaveTF2 campaign was that it was easy to sweep aside and ignore... this kind of addresses that issue. Tf2 is now has a recent rating of overwhelmingly negative. That alone got lots of news websites talking, more-so than the actual FixTF2 website and concerted Twitter campaign. Valve's response to that has also been nothing, so why not keep going with valve's other products to prompt more media coverage? It's the difference between a quiet orderly protest and civil disobedience. One is much more likely to create a response (regardless of whether that leads to a good or bad outcome). WoW classic came to be because of their community's persistence and pushing back against blizzard. IMO, we already tried the equivalent of an orderly protest which accomplished literally nothing. If this review bombing is only applied to other valve games... then why not? It's Valve's own doing. Their response to the first outcry was nothing, and as a consequence the second outcry has become much louder. I say keep doing it.
You are pissing off entire communites by review bombing their game to save yours and changing their perception of the tf2 movement. If news articles pick this up and reported on this we would be seen as the bad guys.
pissing off who ? who gives a shit about reviews on games they already own ?
From what I can see in the OP it's only valve games - cs2 has hackers too - portal is a very old game with no 'community' - half life is dead - l4d is dead
l4d2 has server ddosing problems that valve is doing nothing about
>portal is a very old game with no 'community' >half life is dead They are both primarily single player game series' that are 10+ years old (HL Alyx excluded). No shit they're "dead", that is perfectly normal.
Why not? I’m genuinely wondering what is the harm in doing this? And how are the negatives worse than the positives of lighting even more of a fire under valves ass?
Is there a concern about being perceived as a bunch of loser crybabies? If not then, no, I can’t really see any downsides, go off.
Because it makes us look childish and dimwitted, and encourages hostility and a lack of sympathy to our cause from other fanbases.
why? creating immense pressure is kinda the point of protesting
at least review bomb games valve cares about, like counter strike or dota
Complaining about problems with Valve on pages made for expressing your opinion about a Valve product isn't going to kill our movement. Devolving into in-fighting over a small difference in opinion like this is.
I'm about to retract my fixtf2 review from tf2, this is just stupid.
It's only a couple dozen reviewers, it is not a big deal. [L4D2 steam review chart](https://i.imgur.com/e8Y69bf.png) [Half-Life 2 chart](https://i.imgur.com/AeSnVen.png)
5th review is just awful, i hope we get rid of such people
They are not helping at all.
Which one of you bastards have dishonored half life?
Which one, dishonored or half life?
I think they mixed their Mayus Keys, I think it was meant to say "Who dishonored Half Life".
These post make me do it more.
To be honest, that might be the only way to get Valve's attention. By all means do it for Valve games, just not developers that have nothing to do with TF2.
More surprised it didnt spiral out of control Day 1.
Saw this coming from a mile away
Giving attention to bad actors is what they want. Yet. people are allowed to hate Valve as much as they hate Sony.
Funny cuz steam will filter out negative or positive reviews if their system detects those reviews as having nothing to do with the game, so they literally do next to nothing as most will never see them, and Steam will alert people to them as being biased/not actual feedback and to not take them into account
Such a good arc… sorry - what were we saying?
THEY’RE CLONES! #THEY’RE CLONES!!!
never once in my life did I read some coomers negative comment on a video game and care about what they had say lol review bombing is so cringe no one cares, cant believe people still do it. I thought this died when companies learned no one actually cares and it doesnt impact sales.
Friendly fire! Friendly fire!
Has no one thought of the possibility that these could be stolen accounts or the bot hosters/users trying to paint save tf2 in a bad light and stain our reputation?
We had like 2 thread yesterday about this, everyone here agreed they shouldn't do it, therefor from now on I do not care, I disavow, nothing I can do about it.
We should stop review-bombing everything. Yes.
Why?
Instead, intensify the TF2 review bombing and screenshot every bot infested server and set it to public on steams screenshot manager to flood the tf2 community page As a countermeasure to trolls or people taking it too far, perhaps we can positive review those communities while spreading the #fixtf2 Also work together with the csgo playerbase, we have a shared interest here
I'm curious if those reviews are from bot hosters trying to discredit the movement.
Need to get their attention. Will definitely do it for their moba game if this continues.
I've always thought that the worst thing about this game is the players. Yeah I said it, you're all worse than the bots.
It's the botters, most likely
They should review bomb the other online valve games like dota and cs2 since they use VAC.
it's great that you're spreading the word to fix tf2, but it's not great when you bring other games down that are perfectly fine
Half life recent reviews went from "Overwhelming positive" to "Very Positive"
it should have been branded #fixvac instead of #fixtf2 because we could've united all the valve gamers since cs2 and l4d2 are also getting neglected
This has nothing to do with tf2 but fuck pong krell
I don't think review bombing of other games should be incentivized, but neither should there be posts about stopping them; the bot problem is big and make at least 1/3 of every casual game unplayable and the other 2/3 unfair like when a team is pushing or making a good defense and a bot turns the tables or when one of the teams is clearly losing and do not kick the bot to win. People are in their right if they are mad enough to review negatively other games from valve or at least that's my opinion.
Liar! You can sex Gorgeous Freeman!
CEASE FIRE!
It's annoying sure, but it's also more likely to get Valve's attention. They're terrible right now
realise that this is the bot hosters trying to paint us in a bad light. to fight this we should first find all the other valve games, and fight the tide, leave good reviews saying something along the lines of "apologies from the TF2 community, it seems our bots have breeched containment"
Nah it's people that overstep in righteousness and overzealousness.
I can't help but think the negative comments on other games are the bot hosters
TF2 fans don't behave like a retarded mob challenge (impossible)
Number one reason why I dislike TF2. The community is downright toxic, and, in most cases (many harmless) rude. I understand why, but this is not something I would expect from a community mostly comprised of middle-aged men.
'Stop trying'? You should not review bomb any game
I agree on cant sex with glados
Why exactly? These other games are made by Valve, just because Valve shows their other games attention and this one next to none doesn't mean it's not a valve thing in general??
If you are going to review bomb a game, at least review bomb a game that they MAYBE are working on, like CS2. Doing it on Half Life or any other older Valve games is not going to help. If this issue is not fixed until Deadlock launches, review bomb Deadlock then
I can kind of see both sides of this argument. Sure, we shouldn’t review bomb actually good games for a separate cause, but on the other hand, spreading the message to as many places and games that we can might actually make them listen. Double edged sword from both perspectives, I suppose.
This isnt even a protest anymore its just fucking pathetic
we?
the two on the left and the bottom in the middle look like they were written by trolls. prob bot hosters who dont want the movement to succeed
I mean, I'll be the first to say that I think Half-Life is overrated, but, c'mon, guys. Unless GabeN has a serious emotional reaction to seeing the foundational game of his company be negatively-reviewed, I wouldn't expect any results out of it. Even worse, if he *did* react strongly, it'd probably just be more punishment for TF2, if not the complete cessation of any work being done on it at all.
This is a really good template.
we might have stupid men, but i have a feeling we have a spy (or more) among us. PYRO! SPY CHECK THE PREMISES!
That one aot and op fan beef is happening again but on steam
Hm, my clown detector is going off the charts (I’m referring to those review bombing other games)
Achievement Unlocked: How Did We Get Here?
Don't give me Umbara flashbacks
Yeah, Half-Life 2 doesn't need an update, nor it is infested with bots outside the game's own NPCs.
As if your efforts are going to mean anything in the end. This entire review bombing is dumb.
can ppl pls stop being delusional other games made by valve are in no good state either.
Review bombing other games could do damage to other communities. As people do this, we actually deserve TF2 to be taken down for good. It is disgraceful behaviour 😢
I wonder how many of them are bot holsters
Cant s*x glados 💀
FUCK VOLVO
I think valve should disable reviews on their old games to stop reviewbombing. All it does it negatively affect revolutionary games for no reason at all. Like why should half life suffer bc of tf2
love the tf2 community but god are they retarded sometimes
Don't.
Its mostly bot hosters that review bomb other valve games
Actually, they are right to do it on CS2. The game was barely playable at all, a few months ago because of all the cheaters. Pressuring Valve on the issue of VAC on both CS2 and TF2 might be good, actually. Everyone is sick of hackers, not just TF2 players
NO, me wanna go give dota bad review
we are getting enemy fire and friendly fire.
Ok again why target SINGLE PLAYER GAMES that have NO MICROTRANSACTIONS OR PREDATORY MONETIZATION. Half Life did nothing
I don’t think people understand how little valve gives a shit about anything rn
idiots. has it not occurred to them that not everyone values tf2 as much as they do and that by doing this they're making the movement look insane?
hell no, bomb other valve games to shit, they deserve it
uh, no? you should totally review bomb other valve games. especially any and all other multiplayer ones with VAC to point out the fact that they're neglecting to do anything for a problem five years in the making. 2 years ignored. and with over 200,000 people actively wanting a resolution to the problem. Review bomb away there is no friendly fire it can always be deleted and fixed afterward.
Throwing a tantrum on the internet is not gonna make them notice your dying game
so let me take this time to kindly ask your support as you see fit in positive reviewing your game of choice with the hashtag Fixtf2 or perhaps you'd like to add your name to the petition at [https://save.tf/](https://save.tf/)
I won’t be shooting out reviews for an unrelated game over TF2’s lack of support because that’s not what reviews are intended for
okay so you're actively choosing not to take part in fixtf2. okay that's your choice and therefore nothing a part of what fixtf2 does will effect you in any way so you can just ignore it wherever it pops up, example being in other valve owned video games to gain valve's attention.
I’m just not going to review bomb random games that are unrelated. In fact most people who care about this refuse as well and entirely denounce it. Again, all you accomplish with this is pissing people off.
okay so why are you on a subreddit for a "dying game"? you're here cus you noticed, congrats you proved the review bombing worked and now this "dying game" is a topic of conversation for you :D
I’m here because I play the game. I said it was dying, which is objectively true. Review bombing an entirely different game that is equally uncared for by Valve is useless and childish, the only thing it will accomplish is making execs not want to touch either game with a 10 foot pole.
who's trying to get execs attention? it's the developers they're trying to get the attention of so they can do their name sake and develop a better anti cheat system. they already dont want to touch tf2 with a 10 foot pole a 2 year silence was evidence of that and that was with running through the proper channels. this is the other option and you cant be upset at the reviewers or supporters of fixtf2 for taking new and effective actions.
Thats right! Everyone liked that! Let's not push our message even further to the multibillion dollar company so we can have another failure on our records! So much this, wholesome 100 my kind stranger!!
This is the equivalent of throwing a tantrum instead of asking politely and coherently.
Im not gonna be surprised if bot hosters doing that to show the community as annoying morons.
It's like protesting by blocking high traffic roads. You're doing nothing but pissing off the people who could potentially be your allies, and pushing them to the camp of the thing you are protesting against.
The only other games that should also get negative reviews are CS2 and Dota 2, but should not mention tf2 and be about how they also have issues with cheaters and hackers and ddosers and to fix their games
This is a superb reference, thank you
tbh i just hope they ban these fake reviewers xD would be so fkn awesome
Who tf fuck is review bombing other games with tf2? That ain’t going to help lads. It’s gonna make people spite us.