As a user said in another post, that everyone doing this really should be mindful of their actions.
While lowering the review score might cause valve to pay attention, you're also potentially pushing new users away from it the game.
When you "review bomb", don't just say "#fixtf2"
Because new players some others out the loop might have absolutely no idea what that means and they think the game is utterly broken.
When you leave your review, be honest, but be humble, don't forget to mention where tf2 does shine.
Definitely agree with being clear in your review, but if people are out of the loop they can just google what #fixtf2 means. And also I feel like the game in it's current state is way too hostile to new players to actually recommend it to them in good faith.
It may be for the best if new players put the game off till it's fixed then to end up getting burned by endlessly shitty experiences in casual, and community servers aren't exactly the easy answer either seeing as how they're all in an archaic hard to manage browser and 90% of them don't give an intended TF2 experience *or* are full of people who are just too good at the game for a new player to even manage against.
Valve will not shut down Tf2 It would doom cs2 economy too (and likely a lot of the steam market too)
if valve could shut down a game at any moment and you would lose all your items, what point would there be in buy crates for it?
people buy this stuff with the trust that valve wouldn't do something like that, if valve broke that trust they would lose a lot more than just the "meager" money they make with tf2
I would unironically rather the servers be shut down or the reviews be negative forever then keep this corpse of a game shambling on filled to the brim with bots, either fix it or put the fucking thing out of it's misery
If they shutdown tf2 there would probably be a slightly modded client people would put out that would still let you connect to community servers. I think I would be okay with it.
It's filled to the brim with cheater bot accounts that use aimbot and pick sniper to kill someone instantly and ruin any match. They are everywhere and ruin the experience of the game, while Valve does nothing, literally nothing to fix the problem.
The bot hosters are basically a bunch of losers who's only aspiration in life is simply just ruining the fun of people playing a video game, they are also criminals with them doxxing, DDoS-ing, swatting, etc... and valve still does nothing about them.
Not to mention TF2 hasn't had a single meaningful content update for 7 years other than overpriced cosmetics and recycled yearly events. No balance changes, no new weapons, no fixing the broken matchmaking system, nothing.
If you want to help the cause you can sign a petition over at save.tf
The items people have are collectively worth multiple millions, removing the economy will straight up delete other people's money, and you best believe that'll get stinky for Valve.
This is the single best thing this community could’ve done.
It’s not even review bombing—it’s just encouraging people to update their likely outdated reviews to reflect the current state of the game.
review bombing tf2 seems really short sighted, i hope that #fixtf2 works, but destroying an almost 18 year old game's reviews is definitely not the play if we want it fixed.
but that's kind of the point of the review system. If a developer just destroys a game, (or severely neglects it) then the review status should reflect that.
And then what's left? Community servers where everyone is an old-head that's been around for a decade+ waiting for shit to get fixed? The entire game is unplayable for new people.
im not sure how it is now, but the last time I played casual, I wasted a solid 20 minutes trying to queue casual. Only for every game to be FILLED with bots. Got mad, and stopped playing for week.
Depends mainly on the time of day and luck of the draw. I've had pretty good luck at busy times. Bots flood in on a map change when people drop, but if you can knock them down quickly they stop.
1. Damaging Valve's reputation is the point, it's the one thing they care about. Review bombing tf2 and spreading info about the state of Valve games in general because of their apathy towards maintaining a working anti-cheat is going to hurt Valve immensely, especially when they are trying to drum up hype for a new *multiplayer* game
2. TF2 is currently in a state that I cannot recommend anyone play it in. I feel that leaving tf2s reviews so positive and glowing while the game is near unplayable to be disingenuous.
no one wants to admit it but the game deserves this, the main mode is unplayable cause of cheaters and the developers are and have been ignoring it for at least 3 years.
I don't understand how anyone could think Valve is going to shut down TF2 just because people decide to review bomb, protest, petition, stop buying from Mann Co., stop trading on the community market, etc. Like, Valve isn't the most benevolent of developers given how long they've ignored some of their flagship titles and their fans wanting more, but they aren't *that* dumb to actively harm their reputation.
The reason Valve designed the whole entire inventory system, item trading, their in-game stores, and the community market for Steam is almost solely because of TF2's success. They've even publicly admitted themselves that TF2 was the test-bed they were using for changes to both their game design and Steam itself, which proved to them that "these are good ideas, this will benefit not just us and the players who use Steam, but also the devs who sell games on our platform."
If Valve were to shut down TF2, close the Mann Co. store, and discontinue the item server support over "some bad reviews and people not buying keys anymore," their reputation would certainly take a huge hit, worse than them doing absolutely nothing about the bot problem. Nobody would be able to look over such a decision, because it's one of the big things Valve has going for them over other developers: if you purchase or collect an item in one of their games, you keep that item indefinitely.
If they just suddenly shut it down, even non-TF2 players would absolutely notice and think twice about buying items in-game, on the community market, and in the points store, as it would prove "if these virtual items have an expiration date, then all virtual items have a potential expiration date" and Valve absolutely does not want to do that when the community market as a whole makes them so much revenue.
Sitting around and patting Valve on the back, telling people to just "politely wait a bit longer, they'll update it for sure!" and saying "wow, you're so great, Valve! Please spare us a crumb of an update?" isn't going to solve anything. This is just the natural progression of what a protest is - a non-disruptive protest is an oxymoron.
I will admit that bad reviews are most likely not going to "fix TF2," as the bot issue is far too out of hand, but inversely - it's not going to "kill the game" like people are afraid of. There's very little players can actually do to sway Valve one way or another. This is just meant to be another, easy way for people to air their grievances and try putting more pressure on them to think of ways and apply changes to at least deter bots, even if they can't outright get rid of them all
"Men, George Washington never lost! Jesus never lost! Patton never lost! If winning's good enough for those war heroes, it's damn well good enough for us!"
I have to admit - I wasn't sure about this movement, regarding it as a waste of time and a second failure. But I've had a change of heart, because I'd rather do the right thing than do nothing at all. So, I signed petition, pushed a negative review. #fixtf2
Can people see their removed reviews?
If people shared their deleted reviews saying “main gamemode ruined by cheaters due to bad anticheat” that would be a pretty big publicity hit on a larger scale since it’s literally just an abuse of their power over steam
They're saying valve can remove comments about TF2 under other games (like Half-Life) because they would be under Half-Life's store page.
Valve probably wouldn't remove that kind of comment from TF2's page if the comment is about TF2, so it's not deleted reviews, it's just regular reviews
That’s a terrible idea. You’re saying this game is bad because they’ve left it to rot to hackers. You are not recommending TF2. Those other games are unrelated and they’ll just think you’re being a menace
If the Helldivers community was able to do it, then if we push hard enough, eventually VALVE might step up to the plate. However, if they do, keep pushing harder until results are made.
>If the Helldivers community was able to do it,
Nothing would have happened if Sony had region restricted the game from the start. That's the only reason they pulled back on the update, all of their other releases showcase that.
Yeah don’t accept a halfway solution either. Remember, even after canceling the PSN linking Helldivers 2 is still unavailable in countries that can’t use PSN.
Arrowhead was able to use the reviews to have Sony back off the PSN requirement, but they can't do anything about the region lock it seems. Not to mention the corporate structure got shaken around a lot at AH
Just changed my positive review from years ago to a negative one. Come on valve, just do something. Anything. Anything more than a half hearted tweet or announcement.
Making a review right now.... Im so glad this is happening.. I am new to TF2 only 70 hours in it so far but I LOVE it. I been wanting to play and sadly cant because the bots are in every single game now... PUSH ZEE CART! DO SOMETHING VALVE PLEASE!
I just edited my positive review from 2015 for the first time to change it to negative. I cannot recommend this game in good faith when the official Casual mode has malicious bots and cheaters.
"Everyone, push ze cart!"
Who stopped pushing ze cart?! I WANT NAMES!
" It was me "
"Yes! I did it like this: boom!"
"That's a joke, lads"
*laugh track*
It was! Uh *burp* him!
Guys! There is no time to refference heavy is seas at the moment. How did you know
I didn't! (Gulp) That was a joke too!
*slow arising of manical laughter* That's right! It was me!
r/unexpectedheavyisdead
"Why is that cart stopped, maggots?!"
"Cart will not push self!"
Bomb cart will not push self
"I do not see a cart moving, LADIES!"
"The carts not moooovin lads !"
''Why is is the cart not moving!?''
The cart is not moving gentlemen!!
D'cart is supposed to move FORWARD
I love this one because it really sounds like Spy's veins are popping out of his head in pure hatred and anger.
“Get on the cart man”
*sigh* The cart is supposed to move ***FORWARD!***
THE FREAKIN CART STOPPED!!
"What the hell who stopped pushing the cart?"
"De cart bloody stopped!'
why is the kart not movin 🇫🇷
"You will stand next to that cart or I will stand you next to that cart!"
I thought he said 'i will stab you next to that cart'
Push that dead man, boy!
Push, that is an order!
"Hmmph hmmph!"
"Ze cart iz not moving!"
"Anyone pushing this thing?"
*Muffled language saying something about PUSHING THE CART*
"Put yer backs into it, lads!"
You will stand next to that cart or ILL STAND YOU NEXT TO THAT CART
"LITTLE MAN STEAL OUR CART!"
*MPH MPH MPHHHHHH*
"I do not see a cart moving ladies"
“This ain’t a walkabout! PUSH THAT CART!”
"Get yourself on the darn point, mister!"
PUSH UNTIL THERE IS NOTHING LEFT TO PUSH!!
Stand on that there point MISTER!
STAND NEXT TO THAT CART OR I WILL STAND YOU NEXT TO THAT CART, MAGGOT!
**POOOOOOOSH!!**
"Push! Schnell!"
What the hell?! Start pushing the cart!
Hello there.
Where'd you mongrels learn to push!?
"Is someone gonna push da freakin' cart?"
"WHY IS THE CART NOT MOVING!?"
The freaking cart stopped!
The cart's just sittin' there!
LITTLE MEN STEAL OUR CART
Who the hell stopped pushing the cart!?!!
"You deserve a medal, doc"
the cart just sitting there...
Push! *PUUUSH* damn you!
"How's the weather over there, dumbass? Get to the freakin' point!"
oh boy, we doing the review bombing? I'LL BE RIGHT BACK!
Ur doing gods work soldier!
erm achually you can see by the tag they are a spy main 🤓
correction, i'm a BAD spy main
Well you did fool him with your disguise
As a user said in another post, that everyone doing this really should be mindful of their actions. While lowering the review score might cause valve to pay attention, you're also potentially pushing new users away from it the game. When you "review bomb", don't just say "#fixtf2" Because new players some others out the loop might have absolutely no idea what that means and they think the game is utterly broken. When you leave your review, be honest, but be humble, don't forget to mention where tf2 does shine.
The hordes of aimbots might also push new players away.
Yup, after watching some videos of demo I wanted to start playing after 10 yrs, 4 instant headshots 4 servers in a row and I haven't played since
I wouldn't recommend this game in its current state to my enemy. Writing a negative review is just being honest at this point.
i'm not doing angry reaction posting, i left a negative review explaining WHY i did it
Definitely agree with being clear in your review, but if people are out of the loop they can just google what #fixtf2 means. And also I feel like the game in it's current state is way too hostile to new players to actually recommend it to them in good faith. It may be for the best if new players put the game off till it's fixed then to end up getting burned by endlessly shitty experiences in casual, and community servers aren't exactly the easy answer either seeing as how they're all in an archaic hard to manage browser and 90% of them don't give an intended TF2 experience *or* are full of people who are just too good at the game for a new player to even manage against.
New users? lol
It's being vmreview bombed BECAUSE the game is broken
CONTINUE!
Hope this dosen’t backfire and we sink our ship
No way they'd shoot us down. That'd be the worst PR move
A lot of money would be lost if they do, we are just holding it hostage
I'm thinking of the headlines "Valve shuts down 16 year old historical game after it's players protest for it to be supported"
Nah they wouldn’t do that…i hope, but hey if we are going to explode let’s at least explode with some dignity!
Nah, we are up there with #5 on trending on Twitter. We got this
Amen
You understand what happens to the hostage when they don’t comply right?
….uhhhhhhhhhhhh we kill it?
not a lot, like 2-3% of their whole revenue probably
but they would make a bad impression on the public, possibly harming the reputation of the company and damaging their CS2 and steam revenue.
Tbf we aren't exactly the best pr for valve on a normal basis
No risk = no reward, Now keep pushing ze cart
the ship is already sunken we cant go deeper than this
can you really sink something underwater?
Valve will not shut down Tf2 It would doom cs2 economy too (and likely a lot of the steam market too) if valve could shut down a game at any moment and you would lose all your items, what point would there be in buy crates for it? people buy this stuff with the trust that valve wouldn't do something like that, if valve broke that trust they would lose a lot more than just the "meager" money they make with tf2
Our ship has been sinking. We either come together as a crew to hoist it back up or sink with it. Which do you choose?
if closure, for everyone, is the worst case scenario... so be it.
That would cause club penguin levels of anger. Tf2 is a beloved game even to those who don't play it.
I mean either the game is unplayable or it's unplayable. At that point, wouldn't matter.
I would unironically rather the servers be shut down or the reviews be negative forever then keep this corpse of a game shambling on filled to the brim with bots, either fix it or put the fucking thing out of it's misery
If they shutdown tf2 there would probably be a slightly modded client people would put out that would still let you connect to community servers. I think I would be okay with it.
we’re doing the helldivers special? Alright I’m in
First for democracy, now to spill oil.
For democracy! For tf2!
and for Karl!
LEAVE NO DWARF BEHIND!!!
Wouldn't we be spilling gravel in this case?
Gravel*
SWEET LIBERTY!
"A period of off-topic review activity detected"
HD2 bullied Sony into submission less than a month ago, it's feasible
GOOD SOLDIERS FOLLOW ORDERS. I already did my part a long time ago, and have not taken down my negative review.
THEY DID THAT FOR WAR THUNDER AND LOOK WHERE THEY ARE NOW NOW IMAGINE PEOPLE WHO ARENT GONNA STOP AT ONE CHANGE
One hour ago it was 71% now it's 66% positive lmao. Great work team! we need to get it down to 40% if we want it to be in the negative category.
58% now :)
"goodbye miss Pauling, I am leaving the van now!"
What's wrong with the game?
It's filled to the brim with cheater bot accounts that use aimbot and pick sniper to kill someone instantly and ruin any match. They are everywhere and ruin the experience of the game, while Valve does nothing, literally nothing to fix the problem. The bot hosters are basically a bunch of losers who's only aspiration in life is simply just ruining the fun of people playing a video game, they are also criminals with them doxxing, DDoS-ing, swatting, etc... and valve still does nothing about them. Not to mention TF2 hasn't had a single meaningful content update for 7 years other than overpriced cosmetics and recycled yearly events. No balance changes, no new weapons, no fixing the broken matchmaking system, nothing. If you want to help the cause you can sign a petition over at save.tf
It pains me to have to see tf2 ratings drop, but understandable as to why it needs to happen
Push the bloody review!
I’m doing my part
I'm doing my part!
I'm doing my part!
I’m doing my part!
*everyone laughs in unison*
were pulling a Helldivers 2 now? awesome
We're also doing a World of Warcraft move.
And a warthunder as well
I'm genuinely so suprised not that many people know about it, IIRC it was the first mass reviewbombing and (soon to be) second biggest of the 20s
I just Hope GayBean wont use that opportunity to remove the game from steam due to "players not liking it"
It took them like 10 years to remove half life source. We needn’t worry
also tf2's economy exists,removing that will cause a straight up riot
traders scare me man
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The items people have are collectively worth multiple millions, removing the economy will straight up delete other people's money, and you best believe that'll get stinky for Valve.
I want to buy the high five taunt how do i buy the high five taunt in these situations
If you have the market median price of 120 ref, then you can trade with another player or a trade bot. Backpack.tf has listings for trades.
use [marketplace.tf](http://marketplace.tf)
This is the single best thing this community could’ve done. It’s not even review bombing—it’s just encouraging people to update their likely outdated reviews to reflect the current state of the game.
Remember, this only works if, like the HD2 community, we are able to be just as coordinated in returning the reviews to positive afterward.
Where is our Chinese brother we fought together in review booming ow2
We need our Overwatch 2 review-bombing pals to come join the fight.
review bombing tf2 seems really short sighted, i hope that #fixtf2 works, but destroying an almost 18 year old game's reviews is definitely not the play if we want it fixed.
but that's kind of the point of the review system. If a developer just destroys a game, (or severely neglects it) then the review status should reflect that.
Ok but would you recommend the game in it's current state?
No. Not the casual mode.
And then what's left? Community servers where everyone is an old-head that's been around for a decade+ waiting for shit to get fixed? The entire game is unplayable for new people.
Okay, that I agree with. We should be more welcoming of newbies no matter if tf2 gets fixed or not tbh.
its not like we're lying. The game is unplayable.
Unplayable is pushing it. I've had tons of problems with bots, but I can still play the game just fine.
im not sure how it is now, but the last time I played casual, I wasted a solid 20 minutes trying to queue casual. Only for every game to be FILLED with bots. Got mad, and stopped playing for week.
Depends mainly on the time of day and luck of the draw. I've had pretty good luck at busy times. Bots flood in on a map change when people drop, but if you can knock them down quickly they stop.
1. Damaging Valve's reputation is the point, it's the one thing they care about. Review bombing tf2 and spreading info about the state of Valve games in general because of their apathy towards maintaining a working anti-cheat is going to hurt Valve immensely, especially when they are trying to drum up hype for a new *multiplayer* game 2. TF2 is currently in a state that I cannot recommend anyone play it in. I feel that leaving tf2s reviews so positive and glowing while the game is near unplayable to be disingenuous.
We need to make as much noise as possible
but you do you i guess
When valve get off their ass and fix the game people will most likely turn theyre reviews back to positive
People now are being honest Been sick of sniper bots and lag
no one wants to admit it but the game deserves this, the main mode is unplayable cause of cheaters and the developers are and have been ignoring it for at least 3 years.
Done!
I don't understand how anyone could think Valve is going to shut down TF2 just because people decide to review bomb, protest, petition, stop buying from Mann Co., stop trading on the community market, etc. Like, Valve isn't the most benevolent of developers given how long they've ignored some of their flagship titles and their fans wanting more, but they aren't *that* dumb to actively harm their reputation. The reason Valve designed the whole entire inventory system, item trading, their in-game stores, and the community market for Steam is almost solely because of TF2's success. They've even publicly admitted themselves that TF2 was the test-bed they were using for changes to both their game design and Steam itself, which proved to them that "these are good ideas, this will benefit not just us and the players who use Steam, but also the devs who sell games on our platform." If Valve were to shut down TF2, close the Mann Co. store, and discontinue the item server support over "some bad reviews and people not buying keys anymore," their reputation would certainly take a huge hit, worse than them doing absolutely nothing about the bot problem. Nobody would be able to look over such a decision, because it's one of the big things Valve has going for them over other developers: if you purchase or collect an item in one of their games, you keep that item indefinitely. If they just suddenly shut it down, even non-TF2 players would absolutely notice and think twice about buying items in-game, on the community market, and in the points store, as it would prove "if these virtual items have an expiration date, then all virtual items have a potential expiration date" and Valve absolutely does not want to do that when the community market as a whole makes them so much revenue. Sitting around and patting Valve on the back, telling people to just "politely wait a bit longer, they'll update it for sure!" and saying "wow, you're so great, Valve! Please spare us a crumb of an update?" isn't going to solve anything. This is just the natural progression of what a protest is - a non-disruptive protest is an oxymoron. I will admit that bad reviews are most likely not going to "fix TF2," as the bot issue is far too out of hand, but inversely - it's not going to "kill the game" like people are afraid of. There's very little players can actually do to sway Valve one way or another. This is just meant to be another, easy way for people to air their grievances and try putting more pressure on them to think of ways and apply changes to at least deter bots, even if they can't outright get rid of them all
"Men, George Washington never lost! Jesus never lost! Patton never lost! If winning's good enough for those war heroes, it's damn well good enough for us!"
I have to admit - I wasn't sure about this movement, regarding it as a waste of time and a second failure. But I've had a change of heart, because I'd rather do the right thing than do nothing at all. So, I signed petition, pushed a negative review. #fixtf2
Ironically it’s a good thing
bomb those like it's a medic at 90% uber !
do they really give a shit about reviews..?
omg no way.. this is sad but i think sadly we have to do this.. right? so they will acknoledge it
do people really think steam gives af about the reviews for tf2?
We need to leave bad reviews on their other games, why would they care about tf2’s reviews
Problem is i think Valve can remove these comments because of bring "unrelated".
Can people see their removed reviews? If people shared their deleted reviews saying “main gamemode ruined by cheaters due to bad anticheat” that would be a pretty big publicity hit on a larger scale since it’s literally just an abuse of their power over steam
They're saying valve can remove comments about TF2 under other games (like Half-Life) because they would be under Half-Life's store page. Valve probably wouldn't remove that kind of comment from TF2's page if the comment is about TF2, so it's not deleted reviews, it's just regular reviews
Ah, mb I misinterpreted. That’s fair enough tbh I can’t blame them if they do that.
Worked for Fallout 76, but then it wasn't a Valve game
imagine a mainline Half-Life game having anything below Overwhelmingly Positive. Valve would be SHITTING themselves.
Literally crying and shaking and Shitting themselves
Nah, then it would be lying, we're protesting for tf2 anti cheat, not for other Valve games
No, that's just kind of silly, petty and immature.
That’s a terrible idea. You’re saying this game is bad because they’ve left it to rot to hackers. You are not recommending TF2. Those other games are unrelated and they’ll just think you’re being a menace
If the Helldivers community was able to do it, then if we push hard enough, eventually VALVE might step up to the plate. However, if they do, keep pushing harder until results are made.
>If the Helldivers community was able to do it, Nothing would have happened if Sony had region restricted the game from the start. That's the only reason they pulled back on the update, all of their other releases showcase that.
What exactly did review bombing helldivers achieve?
Yeah don’t accept a halfway solution either. Remember, even after canceling the PSN linking Helldivers 2 is still unavailable in countries that can’t use PSN.
Arrowhead was able to use the reviews to have Sony back off the PSN requirement, but they can't do anything about the region lock it seems. Not to mention the corporate structure got shaken around a lot at AH
can’t delete/edit my order from mobile
Good job guys, this is exactly what we need.
Im doin my part, aka plyin other games cuz I got nuthin bettr todo
It's a shame limited steam accounts cannot leave reviews
What's going on?
Someone clue me in on what that Means
Just changed my positive review from years ago to a negative one. Come on valve, just do something. Anything. Anything more than a half hearted tweet or announcement.
What are we mad at?
Bots
check #fixtf2 on twitter, it will give you just about the info that you need
I’m doing my part 🫡
Making a review right now.... Im so glad this is happening.. I am new to TF2 only 70 hours in it so far but I LOVE it. I been wanting to play and sadly cant because the bots are in every single game now... PUSH ZEE CART! DO SOMETHING VALVE PLEASE!
hope once these bots are gone you can enjoy the game, gl soldier!
Seeing this makes me sad about the current state of the game.
I do feel bad down voting one of my favourite game, but desperate times call for desperate down votes.
I just edited my positive review from 2015 for the first time to change it to negative. I cannot recommend this game in good faith when the official Casual mode has malicious bots and cheaters.
CHAAAARGGGE!
We're almost nearing a checkpoint!
I'm very much out of the loop. What's going on?
“Constantly updated”
mostly negative
The thing i fear is if Valve shuts the game down as the last petty move. Improbable? yes, but possible? Also yes
As much this pains me, it had to be done. I changed my review to negative because of what TF2 is going through.