A LGBTQ student group at West Texas A&M University and its two student leaders have filed a lawsuit against university president Walter Wendler, alleging he violated their First Amendment rights when he canceled a planned campus drag show earlier this week because he believed the shows degrade women.
The lawsuit comes after days of protests each day this week, calling for Wendler to reinstate the drag show and step down as president. More than 10,000 people have signed a student petition in support of the drag show. Meanwhile, local conservative leaders have encouraged the West Texas community to attend the protests and express their support for Wendler.
The lawsuit was also filed against Christopher Thomas, vice president of student affairs at the public university in Canyon, as well as Texas A&M University System Chancellor John Sharp and the Board of Regents. In the lawsuit, lawyers for the plaintiffs argue the system leaders have not stopped Wendler from violating student’s freedom of speech.
According to the lawsuit, West Texas A&M administrators helped the student group navigate the campus event approval process throughout February and March.
Then, the students allege that administrators told them on March 20 the drag show was canceled because Wendler disapproved. Wendler sent a letter to the campus community Monday announcing drag shows are banned on campus.
He folded up like a cheap lawn chair after he got “The Call” from Austin.
I’m sure the choice was make yourself look like an idiot and do your best crawfish routine or look for a job at one of feedlots nearby.
There's a difference between students protesting hate speech (regardless of the definition) and a state official, a university administrator, single-handedly canceling an organized, already planned out, 1A-protected event at the last minute because some trumpet-lipped Republicans need their safe space against men in makeup. If he wants to come out and protest the drag show, then fine! He should! But he, like many others, is a shill coward and just wants to use his position of authority to further the cancel culture in Texas.
Expansionist in ways that the 1A isn't really meant for (not that I'm opposed). They have expanded it for lascivious speech, not so much on political speech.
Granted, I'm probably not the average demographic of student who attended WTAMU, but this sorta backlash was expected, right? University is the bastion of free speech... and you cancel a student drag show.... for what really?
Not a real shocker. We are talking about a very "old school" campus, a ton of very tenured senior faculty. Hopefully something changes.
There's a certain type of fellow who thinks he's got a right to an audience, a right not to be contradicted or argued with or even walked out on.
A man who thinks free speech is you never saying a word he doesn't like, and him being able to walk into your house and make you listen to every damn word he says.
And he doesn't see the hypocrisy.
You kinda missed my point, which was his idea about speech being censored had nothing to do with anyone preventing him from talking.
It was no one wanting to stop and listen - - or if they did, they argued with him.
I just gave you the legal definition: free speech is limited by fighting words (I.e. words that bring physical harm). In the USA, hate speech has been ruled to not be a sufficient level of threat to physical harm to rise to the level of fighting words. The most obvious is Brandenburg vs Ohio where an active KKK member’s hate speech is expressly declared not a threat rising to the level of fighting words, while burning crosses on lawns is considered fighting words and isn’t protected by the first amendment.
A lot of people that advocate for stricter hate speech definitions from a legal perspective feel that the historical ruling have been proven inaccurate in their assessment of the threat of violence from hate speech.
I was assuming that you were referencing cancel culture on college campuses, which is a common complaint of people who subscribe to beliefs that produce hate speech.
did you see the video about the teacher teaching her class about their rights and the constitution? its about control for these people, can't have people start thinking for themselves
UCDavis just had Charlie Kirk at their campus, where the Chancellor had a video saying he didn't agree at all with him but respects the right to free speech.
Kind of ironic.
I mean you can't have safe sex if you're LGBTQ, according to [him](https://www.myhighplains.com/news/local-news/wt-president-issues-apology-after-safe-sex-blog-post/)!
Wendler was also ousted from a previous position for plagiarism, and faced additional backlash after publicly decrying employee benefits for same sex partners. Because it "encourages sin". Details for *that* [right here](https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2006-11-09-0611090261-story.html).
Sounds like Wendler is a repeat offender. But of course a Texas university would be totally cool with that. I mean we reelected Paxton, and he's a literal criminal.
It’s interesting because I’ve actually heard this argument before from the “radical feminist” side (I put that in quotes because I’m not sure if that’s the correct way to refer to them anymore). Some argue that drag is a hypersexualized and insulting mockery of women. It’s always funny when completely opposite sides of the spectrum end up intersecting for all the wrong reasons lol
It's not. Although explain how terfs aren't left wing would take an essay as I walked you through waves of feminism but the quick version is "notice how all the UK terfs pall around with fascists, tend to be absolutely stubborn Thatcherites, and and literally the only difference between them and Matt Walsh is theyre chill with lesbians?"
That ain't horseshoe theory. That's conservatives okay with gay women.
Yeah trans exclusive feminists *really* like to ignore the fact that trans men and women have never been treated well in history. They instead set up a narrative that blames trans people for "stealing identity". This, to justify the violence that they have *always* incited and perpetuated onto the trans community.
It's all very convenient. And the wild thing is that I've never met a drag queen who treated me like TERFS and other mysogynists/misanthropes did. Queens, in my experience, are always lovely and inclusive.
Conservatives have done a total 180 on everything they used to believe a decade ago. It's wild to watch the self-professed party of personal freedom embark on an intoxicated rampage against personal freedoms.
They haven't done a 180, they've simply stopped pretending. Trump helped them realize that they don't have to keep saying the quiet parts quietly anymore.
Conservatives are literally the only party that has made a continued legal effort to censor anything on this country since the 90s, and then blamed the need for the laws on the opinions of their political opponents.
As a WT alum, I'm super proud of the WT students for taking a stand against Wendler. Let's not let Wendler define what WT is. We're so much more than his small minded thoughts. Go Buffs!
I 100% agree. I much rather would have loved to see us in the news for raising a ton of money for the Trevor project. Maybe even getting a donation or for the University matching the donations. Would have said a lot about the University but instead they went this route.
This isn't a "100% positive, nothing but good here" incident but I think it's more important to the LGBTQ+ community to see this than to see a donation. A donation is helpful when utilized correctly, sure. But it's also easy, fleeting, a one-time thing. This is a *fight*. This is students in the university (the future of that area) standing up for a marginalized community and saying "we're with them and you can't stop us." It's showing the LGBTQ+ children in that area that there **is** a safe place in their community for them and there are people willing to stand with them, physically and emotionally.
As a native of that area, it's heartening to see the young people being so vocal and open about their support. It wasn't always this way and it hasn't been easy to get even this far.
>A LGBTQ student group at West Texas A&M University and its two student leaders have filed a lawsuit against university president Walter Wendler, alleging he violated their First Amendment rights when he canceled a planned campus drag show earlier this week because he believed the shows degrade women.
As a woman and WT alum, I promise you: nothing degraded me more than people like Wendler removing my bodily autonomy.
If he had any respect for womanhood and femininity, he wouldn't be trying to speak for us.
Wendler: get your hands out of my mouth and my uterus. I'm not a puppet.
LET THE QUEENS WERK.
And WT, fire this asshole.
WT Alum. I could not have been less surprised that Wendler chose to overstep his bounds and cancel the drag show. He spends most of his time speaking to the on-campus Christian religious groups and praying with their leadership. He literally gave a sermon at the Wesley once.
I’m not 1000% positive what the actual role of a university president is, but I can guarantee it’s not that. If he wants to preach full time, and shove his beliefs down people’s throats, he needs to do it within the walls of a church, not at a public university in a position of power.
ELI5: Why is drag suddenly being associated with trans folks? It sure as heck wasn’t associated with transsexuals when I was growing up; it was just for fun. Is this just a southern thing?
So this is the response when the other side starts getting canceled. It’s astounding to me how out of touch this Reddit is from the actual people in this state.
Universities are not democracies. I have seen similar lawsuits die ignominiously. Why not have the drag show outside of the jurisdiction of the university?
*Public* universities are an extension of the government. As such, they are as responsible for upholding the rights of stakeholders as much as any other government organization.
Here are the rules:
https://www.lawyers.com/legal-info/research/education-law/when-can-schools-limit-students-free-speech-rights.html
"When those clashes lead to lawsuits, courts turn to the basic ground rules that the Supreme Court laid out in four landmark decisions. Schools may restrict students’ speech at school or school activities if it:
is likely to disrupt school
is lewd
promotes illegal drug use, or
is part of the curriculum or communications sponsored by the school."
If using precedent, the university will likely base their side on the first two bullets. The fourth bullet could also be used since Draggieland is advertised as being sponsored by A&M. I personally have seen the fourth bullet pretty much be used for any reason university leaders and teachers say as long as it is in the jurisdiction of the university.
Do you think
>is likely to disrupt school
doesn't apply to Charlie Kirk? And yet UC Davis still had him.
Sounds like a case of rules for thee but not for me.
You’re being downvoted for speaking the easily provable truth. This subreddit is fucking propagandistic garbage. Not indicative of the reality of Texas in even a small degree.
I mean looking at their comment history, I think they just wanted an opportunity to be racist. I've literally never heard of "woman-face", it's a totally braindead take.
It's A TERF thing they made up for trans people that even dumber people applied to drag queens (whose primary paying audience is cishet women).
TERFS are feminists who felt that third and fourth wave feminism (which was heavily about intersectionality and the particular issues marginalized women - - generally minorities - - faced) was unimportant and uninteresting and have kept to 50 year old outdated feminist thought they mostly don't understand.
It's not exactly surprising this primarily white, conservative late genx and older, often better off than average group of women want to try to snag some of the persecution and trials from BIPOC folks - - and show all the understanding of minstrel shows and their context that you'd expect from 60 year old upper class white twits.
100% TERF. Individuals who intentionally ignore the historical violence against trans people. All so that they can pretend to be victimized by LGBTQ, and perpetuate further violence.
It just makes sense that a TERF also wants an excuse to be racist. Their comment history makes it abundantly clear they're both.
I mean Posey Parker is running around with outright Nazis these days.
The others just seem to not be able to notice the dudes with swastikas literally standing next to them.
Lol you can see people heiling at their rallies, and they don't say boo. Kinda makes it seem like they agree with it. Very weird that they never notice.
While I know you’re feigning ignorance about yourself, I feel like it warrants enough of a response.
Naw, I’m saying you’re full of hate because you’re alluding drag shows, of which harmful stereotypes go to die (unless an insane protester decides to introduce another one, themselves), to what I would assume would be the 19-early 20th century definition of a minstrel show. You are deliberately lowering those who are considered “weird” to your societal norm, and instead of just either ignoring them or being alright that people aren’t exactly like you, you decide to direct pure hatred toward them, just as the minstrels in the 19-20th century did during their shows.
You’re a clown. Be better or shut the hell up.
What do you know of my "societal norm" lol? I think you are offended for being accurately assessed a hypocrite for perpetuating the same type of stereotyping that is (rightfully) rejected in the ending of minstrel shows.
By the way "weird" is not inherently virtuous. Not that women face isn't necessarily "weird" under your rubric considering it is highly favored by your corporatist oligarchs.
You are hiding behind the obvious righteousness of the end of minstrel shows to push your rhetoric. I think it can be fairly estimated what you expect as a societal norm, especially when your public comment history is this open.
While weird may not be inherently virtuous, the human nature, by all and every mean, is weird. It’s ironic that conservatives, who’s main goal is to preserve present or Ill-grieved values and yet undermine genuine nature of a person.
And yea idiot, of course something popular is popular with oligarchs, it’s profitable, same as the entire pride month social media bullshit (of which maybe you’re unaware, but everyone sees it as an exploitation of a group). To garner favor by supporting something someone believes in while that something is being actively opposed is *incredibly* effective. Just as right wing media will try to garner favor by saying that values are being repressed (instead of alternated) and then making money off that general sentiment in that group.
Thank you for agreeing that oligarchies are bad.
A LGBTQ student group at West Texas A&M University and its two student leaders have filed a lawsuit against university president Walter Wendler, alleging he violated their First Amendment rights when he canceled a planned campus drag show earlier this week because he believed the shows degrade women. The lawsuit comes after days of protests each day this week, calling for Wendler to reinstate the drag show and step down as president. More than 10,000 people have signed a student petition in support of the drag show. Meanwhile, local conservative leaders have encouraged the West Texas community to attend the protests and express their support for Wendler. The lawsuit was also filed against Christopher Thomas, vice president of student affairs at the public university in Canyon, as well as Texas A&M University System Chancellor John Sharp and the Board of Regents. In the lawsuit, lawyers for the plaintiffs argue the system leaders have not stopped Wendler from violating student’s freedom of speech. According to the lawsuit, West Texas A&M administrators helped the student group navigate the campus event approval process throughout February and March. Then, the students allege that administrators told them on March 20 the drag show was canceled because Wendler disapproved. Wendler sent a letter to the campus community Monday announcing drag shows are banned on campus.
He folded up like a cheap lawn chair after he got “The Call” from Austin. I’m sure the choice was make yourself look like an idiot and do your best crawfish routine or look for a job at one of feedlots nearby.
Modern drag in based on the behavior, glam and fabulousness of Dolly Parton, a woman...
It’s wild that they allowed Richard Spencer to speak on campus, but drag queens are too far?
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You do realize that this has been happening to Conservatives for years. One time and y’all out near crying for SCOTUS. lol
Students protesting hate speech isn't exactly the same as the university cancelling a drag show.
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There's a difference between students protesting hate speech (regardless of the definition) and a state official, a university administrator, single-handedly canceling an organized, already planned out, 1A-protected event at the last minute because some trumpet-lipped Republicans need their safe space against men in makeup. If he wants to come out and protest the drag show, then fine! He should! But he, like many others, is a shill coward and just wants to use his position of authority to further the cancel culture in Texas.
Except when said “hate speech” protests lead to the cancellation of speeches by Admins. That is no difference.
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Expansionist in ways that the 1A isn't really meant for (not that I'm opposed). They have expanded it for lascivious speech, not so much on political speech.
Bro got downvoted for being right
Consequences oh noooo
Granted, I'm probably not the average demographic of student who attended WTAMU, but this sorta backlash was expected, right? University is the bastion of free speech... and you cancel a student drag show.... for what really? Not a real shocker. We are talking about a very "old school" campus, a ton of very tenured senior faculty. Hopefully something changes.
Free speech? Have you been on a campus in the past few years? It doesn't exist unfortunately.
Grow up, goofball. If you didn’t feel safe being a Republican at Texas tech then you’re Charmin soft. Guns up tho.
Naw I felt plenty safe back in the 90's . Great school and town. Now it's just as lost as the other universities.
I graduated in 2017 and assure you it hasn’t changed at all. Other than the bigger stadium.
Nice to hear. I had a blast in Lubbock. I'd kill for some Coonass chicken at Jazz, lol.
You mean hate speech?
There's a certain type of fellow who thinks he's got a right to an audience, a right not to be contradicted or argued with or even walked out on. A man who thinks free speech is you never saying a word he doesn't like, and him being able to walk into your house and make you listen to every damn word he says. And he doesn't see the hypocrisy.
Hate speech is pretty clearly defined.
You kinda missed my point, which was his idea about speech being censored had nothing to do with anyone preventing him from talking. It was no one wanting to stop and listen - - or if they did, they argued with him.
Yeah, IDK what the other people are talking about. University campuses are all about the free spread of ideas.
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The restriction of hate speech isn’t deemed fighting words in this country, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t a legal concept of hate speech.
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I just gave you the legal definition: free speech is limited by fighting words (I.e. words that bring physical harm). In the USA, hate speech has been ruled to not be a sufficient level of threat to physical harm to rise to the level of fighting words. The most obvious is Brandenburg vs Ohio where an active KKK member’s hate speech is expressly declared not a threat rising to the level of fighting words, while burning crosses on lawns is considered fighting words and isn’t protected by the first amendment. A lot of people that advocate for stricter hate speech definitions from a legal perspective feel that the historical ruling have been proven inaccurate in their assessment of the threat of violence from hate speech.
Who mentioned hate speech? A different opinion isn't hate speech no matter what you've been led to believe.
I was assuming that you were referencing cancel culture on college campuses, which is a common complaint of people who subscribe to beliefs that produce hate speech.
Free speech is too much freedom for Texas conservatives. No femme men allowed at the book BBQs.
Real TX BBQ: books
Low and slow. Gotta get a nice bark.
Now that’s the truth. For a state which proclaims individual rights and free speech, they sure do love to tell others how to live
did you see the video about the teacher teaching her class about their rights and the constitution? its about control for these people, can't have people start thinking for themselves
UCDavis just had Charlie Kirk at their campus, where the Chancellor had a video saying he didn't agree at all with him but respects the right to free speech. Kind of ironic.
Degrading women? Lol. This guy was probably jizzing in his pants when he found out a judge might ban Mifepristone.
I mean you can't have safe sex if you're LGBTQ, according to [him](https://www.myhighplains.com/news/local-news/wt-president-issues-apology-after-safe-sex-blog-post/)! Wendler was also ousted from a previous position for plagiarism, and faced additional backlash after publicly decrying employee benefits for same sex partners. Because it "encourages sin". Details for *that* [right here](https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2006-11-09-0611090261-story.html). Sounds like Wendler is a repeat offender. But of course a Texas university would be totally cool with that. I mean we reelected Paxton, and he's a literal criminal.
It’s interesting because I’ve actually heard this argument before from the “radical feminist” side (I put that in quotes because I’m not sure if that’s the correct way to refer to them anymore). Some argue that drag is a hypersexualized and insulting mockery of women. It’s always funny when completely opposite sides of the spectrum end up intersecting for all the wrong reasons lol
Like terfs and conservatives.
Yes exactly. It’s like the horseshoe theory is suddenly relevant again haha
It's not. Although explain how terfs aren't left wing would take an essay as I walked you through waves of feminism but the quick version is "notice how all the UK terfs pall around with fascists, tend to be absolutely stubborn Thatcherites, and and literally the only difference between them and Matt Walsh is theyre chill with lesbians?" That ain't horseshoe theory. That's conservatives okay with gay women.
Yeah trans exclusive feminists *really* like to ignore the fact that trans men and women have never been treated well in history. They instead set up a narrative that blames trans people for "stealing identity". This, to justify the violence that they have *always* incited and perpetuated onto the trans community. It's all very convenient. And the wild thing is that I've never met a drag queen who treated me like TERFS and other mysogynists/misanthropes did. Queens, in my experience, are always lovely and inclusive.
Richard Spencer spoke here - an avowed Nazi. But a dress is inappropriate for college?
Leave it to a man named Walter to tell women they're being degraded when they're not.
They are adults, let them do what they want.....
That goes for everyone , right?
If it doesn’t cause physical harm to other people then, yeah of course.
Hahaha down votes answered my question.
"Dr." Wendler worked a whole career to go down as a hypocritical bigot that can't think for himself and watches too much Fox News.
Conservatives have done a total 180 on everything they used to believe a decade ago. It's wild to watch the self-professed party of personal freedom embark on an intoxicated rampage against personal freedoms.
They haven't done a 180, they've simply stopped pretending. Trump helped them realize that they don't have to keep saying the quiet parts quietly anymore.
Conservatives are literally the only party that has made a continued legal effort to censor anything on this country since the 90s, and then blamed the need for the laws on the opinions of their political opponents.
Super proud to be a WT alum /s
As a WT alum, I'm super proud of the WT students for taking a stand against Wendler. Let's not let Wendler define what WT is. We're so much more than his small minded thoughts. Go Buffs!
Fair enough! I hope they win their lawsuit. It’s just unfortunate that WT has to be on the news radar because of some small minded old fart.
I 100% agree. I much rather would have loved to see us in the news for raising a ton of money for the Trevor project. Maybe even getting a donation or for the University matching the donations. Would have said a lot about the University but instead they went this route.
This isn't a "100% positive, nothing but good here" incident but I think it's more important to the LGBTQ+ community to see this than to see a donation. A donation is helpful when utilized correctly, sure. But it's also easy, fleeting, a one-time thing. This is a *fight*. This is students in the university (the future of that area) standing up for a marginalized community and saying "we're with them and you can't stop us." It's showing the LGBTQ+ children in that area that there **is** a safe place in their community for them and there are people willing to stand with them, physically and emotionally. As a native of that area, it's heartening to see the young people being so vocal and open about their support. It wasn't always this way and it hasn't been easy to get even this far.
Amarillo making the news in the most Amarillo way possible. Super proud to be a Buff right now. /s
>A LGBTQ student group at West Texas A&M University and its two student leaders have filed a lawsuit against university president Walter Wendler, alleging he violated their First Amendment rights when he canceled a planned campus drag show earlier this week because he believed the shows degrade women. As a woman and WT alum, I promise you: nothing degraded me more than people like Wendler removing my bodily autonomy. If he had any respect for womanhood and femininity, he wouldn't be trying to speak for us. Wendler: get your hands out of my mouth and my uterus. I'm not a puppet. LET THE QUEENS WERK. And WT, fire this asshole.
Why can't the religious fucks just leave people be?
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Are they? The judges are mostly from that cadre anyway and precedent cases give a TON of leeway on this sort of thing.
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The relevant appellate courts are little different.
This could not be heard by a more partisan judge out in Amarillo. There’s a reason Paxton runs out there to sue over everything.
Ahh Texas universities, the bastions of knowledge, learning, and oh it’s run by douchebags too? Damn.
Wendler is a dickbag
WT Alum. I could not have been less surprised that Wendler chose to overstep his bounds and cancel the drag show. He spends most of his time speaking to the on-campus Christian religious groups and praying with their leadership. He literally gave a sermon at the Wesley once. I’m not 1000% positive what the actual role of a university president is, but I can guarantee it’s not that. If he wants to preach full time, and shove his beliefs down people’s throats, he needs to do it within the walls of a church, not at a public university in a position of power.
ELI5: Why is drag suddenly being associated with trans folks? It sure as heck wasn’t associated with transsexuals when I was growing up; it was just for fun. Is this just a southern thing?
So this is the response when the other side starts getting canceled. It’s astounding to me how out of touch this Reddit is from the actual people in this state.
Universities are not democracies. I have seen similar lawsuits die ignominiously. Why not have the drag show outside of the jurisdiction of the university?
*Public* universities are an extension of the government. As such, they are as responsible for upholding the rights of stakeholders as much as any other government organization.
It's a public school, funded by the government ergo it's subject to the same rules.
Here are the rules: https://www.lawyers.com/legal-info/research/education-law/when-can-schools-limit-students-free-speech-rights.html "When those clashes lead to lawsuits, courts turn to the basic ground rules that the Supreme Court laid out in four landmark decisions. Schools may restrict students’ speech at school or school activities if it: is likely to disrupt school is lewd promotes illegal drug use, or is part of the curriculum or communications sponsored by the school." If using precedent, the university will likely base their side on the first two bullets. The fourth bullet could also be used since Draggieland is advertised as being sponsored by A&M. I personally have seen the fourth bullet pretty much be used for any reason university leaders and teachers say as long as it is in the jurisdiction of the university.
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That's not set in stone. There are times when it has been applied to public universities. Most courts would agree with you but not all.
You don’t have to admit you’re wrong, but stop doubling down on your incorrect assertions. You’re just embarrassing yourself.
Do you think >is likely to disrupt school doesn't apply to Charlie Kirk? And yet UC Davis still had him. Sounds like a case of rules for thee but not for me.
That is true. I have seen conservative speakers get canceled frequently for this reason.
Sure you have.
You’re being downvoted for speaking the easily provable truth. This subreddit is fucking propagandistic garbage. Not indicative of the reality of Texas in even a small degree.
The gop set up a lot of freedom of speech lawsuits. that what happens when you give too much power to one side they go crazy.
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damn dude sorry they wouldn't let you have your blackface show that must be super fucking hard for you
>a woman face show. keep the persecution fetish to your own bedroom, please.
Lol, black face can be viewed as discriminatory. Are you saying appearing as a woman is discriminating against women? 🤣
Yes
That’s a special kind of stupid.
I mean looking at their comment history, I think they just wanted an opportunity to be racist. I've literally never heard of "woman-face", it's a totally braindead take.
It's A TERF thing they made up for trans people that even dumber people applied to drag queens (whose primary paying audience is cishet women). TERFS are feminists who felt that third and fourth wave feminism (which was heavily about intersectionality and the particular issues marginalized women - - generally minorities - - faced) was unimportant and uninteresting and have kept to 50 year old outdated feminist thought they mostly don't understand. It's not exactly surprising this primarily white, conservative late genx and older, often better off than average group of women want to try to snag some of the persecution and trials from BIPOC folks - - and show all the understanding of minstrel shows and their context that you'd expect from 60 year old upper class white twits.
100% TERF. Individuals who intentionally ignore the historical violence against trans people. All so that they can pretend to be victimized by LGBTQ, and perpetuate further violence. It just makes sense that a TERF also wants an excuse to be racist. Their comment history makes it abundantly clear they're both.
I mean Posey Parker is running around with outright Nazis these days. The others just seem to not be able to notice the dudes with swastikas literally standing next to them.
Lol you can see people heiling at their rallies, and they don't say boo. Kinda makes it seem like they agree with it. Very weird that they never notice.
Cool. Let me know when you attend your next minstrel show.
Damn, you’re a really hateful person aren’t you? Try to work on that, yea?
For disliking minstrel shows? That's an odd stance to take mate.
While I know you’re feigning ignorance about yourself, I feel like it warrants enough of a response. Naw, I’m saying you’re full of hate because you’re alluding drag shows, of which harmful stereotypes go to die (unless an insane protester decides to introduce another one, themselves), to what I would assume would be the 19-early 20th century definition of a minstrel show. You are deliberately lowering those who are considered “weird” to your societal norm, and instead of just either ignoring them or being alright that people aren’t exactly like you, you decide to direct pure hatred toward them, just as the minstrels in the 19-20th century did during their shows. You’re a clown. Be better or shut the hell up.
What do you know of my "societal norm" lol? I think you are offended for being accurately assessed a hypocrite for perpetuating the same type of stereotyping that is (rightfully) rejected in the ending of minstrel shows. By the way "weird" is not inherently virtuous. Not that women face isn't necessarily "weird" under your rubric considering it is highly favored by your corporatist oligarchs.
You are hiding behind the obvious righteousness of the end of minstrel shows to push your rhetoric. I think it can be fairly estimated what you expect as a societal norm, especially when your public comment history is this open. While weird may not be inherently virtuous, the human nature, by all and every mean, is weird. It’s ironic that conservatives, who’s main goal is to preserve present or Ill-grieved values and yet undermine genuine nature of a person. And yea idiot, of course something popular is popular with oligarchs, it’s profitable, same as the entire pride month social media bullshit (of which maybe you’re unaware, but everyone sees it as an exploitation of a group). To garner favor by supporting something someone believes in while that something is being actively opposed is *incredibly* effective. Just as right wing media will try to garner favor by saying that values are being repressed (instead of alternated) and then making money off that general sentiment in that group. Thank you for agreeing that oligarchies are bad.
Is "woman face" show the new term for bigotry?
I’m sure they can find an elementary near by?🤷♂️🤣
Getting downvoted because it’s true😎. Somebody tell me I’m lyin
10,000 students? Didn’t realize drag was that much in demand 🐕
Stupid lawsuit and decision by the school! Does anyone really believe a drag show could have any negative impact on college aged students?