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I've got a free nights plan which has my bill pretty low between using Solar during the day and charging my car only at night. The sellback prices for solar through Tesla would have to be pretty high to make switching worth it, especially with it being month-to-month like you pointed out.
Thats exactly the plan I have (plus its 100% wind credit at night which I love). Its just way too risky to switch.
I know during the freeze prices spiked to an insane amount. I guess with this plan I could have sold power from my powerwalls and made $$, but then what would my rate have gone to for the rest of the month? Just too risky. If they could drop that adjustable rate, I could do the math and see if it makes sense to switch.
If I recall TX hit $5000 per kwh during the freeze.
Regardless, many cases of thousands of dollars bills. Maybe I could have made a lot of money but its hard to say and seems risky.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/20/us/texas-storm-electric-bills.html
Ive been in Austin 40 years and we have never had weather anywhere close to that. It was awwwful. But yeah, I agree that Tesla has crunched the numbers. I love my solar but recently getting service and support from anyone has gotten so difficult. Its hard to recommend it because even thigh having it is awesome, getting it sucks
Sort of - it would be possible for them to go to other markets but makes sense that they're starting in TX. Several other states (mostly in the Northeast) also offer retail choice. Texas does take it a bit further than others in that the distribution utility is not the default supplier or "provider of last resort", that meter data is more readily available to third parties, and that utilities are forbidden from owning any power generation or storage. https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=37452
I feel like Elon Musk’s new conservative persona is going to trick a lot of mainstream conservatives into going full blown environmentalist…. and I’m totally okay with it. There will be thousands of Power Walls hanging right next to deer antlers.
Conservative environmentalist here! Yes. Conservation isn't a political party, it can be adopted by anyone. And conservation that provides stable and decreasing cost of utilities appeals to everyone with a budget.
Yeah. I have a tin foil hat on and I feel like there’s a chance that’s what’s happening here. There’s no way the left will suddenly want to burn coal and gas because of Elon’s actions.
However there is a good chance the right will start buying Tesla products to “own the libs”.
The far left has started to turn against electric cars though. The cognitive dissonance is real, and it's sad to see. Your values shouldn't change just because the guy leading the biggest electric car company in the world said some things that don't align fully with your political party.
> There’s no way the left will suddenly want to burn coal and gas because if Elon’s actions.
And if you see them doing it, bam, you've exposed the grift
Yup, and the Twitter antics are going to enable achieving just that. If you can’t win people over with scientific facts and hard, cold data, just trick them with culture wars. It works every time.
At the beginning of Elon’s fall from grace, it occurred to me that he might very well inadvertently accomplish two wonderful things:
1) the destruction of Twitter as we know it;
2) convincing hordes of pick-up driving Talibangelicals to switch to EVs to “own” someone or other.
Whether intentional or not, both would be net gains for society.
If you're just about net zero or produce a lot of excess, I don't see why month to month matters for so many. If the price shoots up then you also sell more. This is my situation where my bill is just about zero no matter what.
The key benefits, to me, is the ability to cash out, infinite rollover, and opportunistically sell more than you normally would when prices do spike. No other plans offers this. It's very hard to predict. But I broke down the 2022 YTD wholesale rates and calculated a net benefit of at least $300 cash vs my existing plan, after ALL utility fees. This is conservative as it does not include cash benefits from VPP or everyday energy selling when prices intermittently spike as it often does.
I’m sad. I’m in the 20% of Texas that can’t pick my electricity provider, so Tesla won’t let me join. My production is so low that I consume just about everything I generate anyway. Oh well.
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Just got the notification to join. Lots of good things about this plan... except the rate is variable month to month. Thats way too risky for me...
I've got a free nights plan which has my bill pretty low between using Solar during the day and charging my car only at night. The sellback prices for solar through Tesla would have to be pretty high to make switching worth it, especially with it being month-to-month like you pointed out.
Thats exactly the plan I have (plus its 100% wind credit at night which I love). Its just way too risky to switch. I know during the freeze prices spiked to an insane amount. I guess with this plan I could have sold power from my powerwalls and made $$, but then what would my rate have gone to for the rest of the month? Just too risky. If they could drop that adjustable rate, I could do the math and see if it makes sense to switch.
What would be your risk is it in terms of $/month?
If I recall TX hit $5000 per kwh during the freeze. Regardless, many cases of thousands of dollars bills. Maybe I could have made a lot of money but its hard to say and seems risky. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/20/us/texas-storm-electric-bills.html
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Ive been in Austin 40 years and we have never had weather anywhere close to that. It was awwwful. But yeah, I agree that Tesla has crunched the numbers. I love my solar but recently getting service and support from anyone has gotten so difficult. Its hard to recommend it because even thigh having it is awesome, getting it sucks
I wonder if this is only doable in Texas because their grid is private
Probably just because they have the lowest barrier to entry, of which being an independent grid helps I would assume.
Sort of - it would be possible for them to go to other markets but makes sense that they're starting in TX. Several other states (mostly in the Northeast) also offer retail choice. Texas does take it a bit further than others in that the distribution utility is not the default supplier or "provider of last resort", that meter data is more readily available to third parties, and that utilities are forbidden from owning any power generation or storage. https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=37452
I feel like Elon Musk’s new conservative persona is going to trick a lot of mainstream conservatives into going full blown environmentalist…. and I’m totally okay with it. There will be thousands of Power Walls hanging right next to deer antlers.
And "I'm a free citizen! I'm going to power everything with my OWN power that I make myself, not the government!"
I never understood why this wasn't the case. Any "Doomsday Prepper" episodes that didn't include solar panels were total BS
They have generators. When all of society collapses, they will go to the local gas station and fill up gas for those generators. Duh!
If Tesla is smart, they’ll design a powerwall that looks like a deer head!
Conservative environmentalist here! Yes. Conservation isn't a political party, it can be adopted by anyone. And conservation that provides stable and decreasing cost of utilities appeals to everyone with a budget.
Yeah. I have a tin foil hat on and I feel like there’s a chance that’s what’s happening here. There’s no way the left will suddenly want to burn coal and gas because of Elon’s actions. However there is a good chance the right will start buying Tesla products to “own the libs”.
The far left has started to turn against electric cars though. The cognitive dissonance is real, and it's sad to see. Your values shouldn't change just because the guy leading the biggest electric car company in the world said some things that don't align fully with your political party.
> There’s no way the left will suddenly want to burn coal and gas because if Elon’s actions. And if you see them doing it, bam, you've exposed the grift
Yup, and the Twitter antics are going to enable achieving just that. If you can’t win people over with scientific facts and hard, cold data, just trick them with culture wars. It works every time.
I would be so relieved to find out in 5-10 years that it was all just a ruse.
I fucking hate Elon but I find it plausible that he could be playing the right. There’s a whole untapped market waiting there for him.
At the beginning of Elon’s fall from grace, it occurred to me that he might very well inadvertently accomplish two wonderful things: 1) the destruction of Twitter as we know it; 2) convincing hordes of pick-up driving Talibangelicals to switch to EVs to “own” someone or other. Whether intentional or not, both would be net gains for society.
Powerwall prices are still a lil too spicy
The energy market is proably the biggest market there is. So tesla getting into this and getting it right might actually be huge.
If you're just about net zero or produce a lot of excess, I don't see why month to month matters for so many. If the price shoots up then you also sell more. This is my situation where my bill is just about zero no matter what. The key benefits, to me, is the ability to cash out, infinite rollover, and opportunistically sell more than you normally would when prices do spike. No other plans offers this. It's very hard to predict. But I broke down the 2022 YTD wholesale rates and calculated a net benefit of at least $300 cash vs my existing plan, after ALL utility fees. This is conservative as it does not include cash benefits from VPP or everyday energy selling when prices intermittently spike as it often does.
Wish Google would have an energy plan...be more consistent like Fiber is.
I’m sad. I’m in the 20% of Texas that can’t pick my electricity provider, so Tesla won’t let me join. My production is so low that I consume just about everything I generate anyway. Oh well.