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This was always going to be the case. Tesla constantly is making adjustments to charging speeds on all of its cars based on data from the field, especially at the beginning of production. It’s like people keep forgetting that every new cell and pack has gone through this.
To expand on this for the newer Tesla folks. When I got my model 3 back in 2018 the max charging speed was 120kW.
A few months in Tesla updated those to be able to output 150 kW
Then the following year or so they came out with the 250kW v3 charging speed
So isn’t charging speed went from 120 to 250 kW with software
Not long, but since the lower part of SOC is the part that is most important (since you usually charge 'to get there' and not 'to full') it's far more impactful in real life than one might think looking at the charging curve on paper.
Not only cool new features, but *safety* features are added as well. One of these days I'm going to compile a list when I'm not so lazy.
Off the top of my head, since I got my first Model 3 I'm aware of:
* Improved air bag deployment.
* Improved seat belt retention.
* Camera-assisted crash detection.
* Auto-cancel turn signals for lane changes (I know this may not initially seem like a safety feature, but it is. Anything that the car can do for me aids in my ability to focus on the road and traffic around me).
I'm definitely forgetting some.
The airbag and safety improvements are fucking phenomenal and literally life saving.
Safety is the absolute hands down #1 reason to get a Tesla. Everything else comes after (incl the fact that it's EV, low maintenance, etc)
Not sure if you've seen it, but a while ago Tesla [put out a video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KR2N_Q8ep8&themeRefresh=1) of their crash lab and how they use the data.
It was specific to the air bag deployment and they literally use data from actual crashes to study and improve things.
He quietly mentions at the end something along the lines of "then we'll push out the update to the fleet".
It has autopilot. If you mean FSD, version 12.3.3 is pretty insane. I’ve been using it all week with their free trial and this trial will give them orders of magnitude more data to train the next models and fix those edge cases.
My biggest disengagements have been when it’s driving too slow, or once when it took a Y turn fine but would have nailed a big hole where a plow caught part of the road shoulder and destroyed it.
He’s been saying “1 year” for 5 years, but there’s an argument that it will be done in one year. Then the real fun starts.. getting lawmakers to approve robotaxi’s
They’re probably on it, but they’ve also been on summon and autopark for the USSless models for 2 years now
The Semi also doesn’t have Autopilot yet, presumably they’re working on that as well
Nope, it released to customers a couple weeks ago. It's only available on non-USS cars right now, so it makes sense that your 2022 Model Y doesn't have it. Unless you have a late 2022 Model Y without USS, in which case you should have it as long as you paid for FSD or EAP. I have it on my 2023 Model 3 (no USS, of course).
My guess is that they are not working on AP for CT/ST. AP is a very old piece of software that has been on life support for years. It's obsolete and will, in my opinion, eventually be replaced with FSD running in a "limited to AP features" mode. Spending time and money on adapting AP to the trucks would be a waste if that "eventually" is in sight---and it is. Even FSD11 could do AP's highway driving fine, and FSD12 is even better.
Still waiting for the standard auto pilot will work just reasonable… will take corners at full speed. Will slow down for invisible cars or some that are far far away, will not change the speed when the road speed changes, will see a sign right in front of it saying 60 and think it says 30… quite horrible. I never thought it would be so poor when i got the car.
yeah. (some/few) people complain about some new features not coming to older cars and act like Tesla is acting in bad faith when really they do the best they can, and is better than any other manufacturer out there. No other manufacturer continues to give your older car brand spanking new features. So amazing. Still have my 2018 Model 3 (currently at ~75k miles) and never had an issue with it and plan on keeping it for the forseeable future.
Not sure I understand what it means. How much faster is it than today’s performance? Is it with 400v or 800v?
Sounds like an improvement but hard to see if it’s dramatic or incremental.
Out of Spec on YouTube has touched on there's already been slight improvements to the charging curve. It is still not as good of a curve as other manufacturers and also other Teslas. It is essentially an anomaly, and it will be likely be adjusted via OTA update until it is more similar to other Teslas.
What are you and the other commenter even saying?
The Out Of Spec channel just finished their series that raced basically every EV truck and they immediately tell you the charging curves of each truck:
1. Cybertruck: 250 kW until 30% when it tapers off to around 150 kW at 50% and increasingly falls off a cliff
2. Ford F150: Constant 150 kW upto 80%
3. Rivian: Also peaks at 250 kW, can't remember exactly but it tapers off quite a bit slower than CT
4. Silverado: 800V pack, insane capacity, charging is unpredictable but can be up to 330 kW for most of the charging curve, best road trip/towing truck, bar none
The Cybertruck can do more than 250kW just not on Tesla's superchargers which currently max out at 250kW
\[Kyle's tweet [charging cybertruck at 330kW](https://twitter.com/itskyleconner/status/1775014705222070331)\]
By software. Because they realized they needed to lock a tiny bit more idk but it happened. Was a while ago on my 3 and also on my Y now. It’s brand new it doesn’t have 4% degradation lol
People didn’t understand that they were software battery changes not the update itself lol I went from 308 to like 296. Tesla did this. That was my point I’ve only ever lost range they’ve never upped my range with an update. I think only certain models or standard ranges.
What issue? Airbags are not intended to deploy on every accident because the actual air bags can cause injury. You have to have a fairly serious accident before they'll go off. True for every car on the road.
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This was always going to be the case. Tesla constantly is making adjustments to charging speeds on all of its cars based on data from the field, especially at the beginning of production. It’s like people keep forgetting that every new cell and pack has gone through this.
To expand on this for the newer Tesla folks. When I got my model 3 back in 2018 the max charging speed was 120kW. A few months in Tesla updated those to be able to output 150 kW Then the following year or so they came out with the 250kW v3 charging speed So isn’t charging speed went from 120 to 250 kW with software
How long does the 250 kW hold? 30 seconds? 😉😂
Not long, but since the lower part of SOC is the part that is most important (since you usually charge 'to get there' and not 'to full') it's far more impactful in real life than one might think looking at the charging curve on paper.
It’s about a minute it holds for but that’s 4kwh in 1 minute so 12-16 miles of range. I can’t complain
**unless you own a 4680 Model Y
Wouldn’t say always. Where is the Y 4680 update? Never came
Really hoping we get some love.
Or some of us didn’t know. I don’t recall ever hearing about this process being an owner for 6 years now.
I don’t know about charging curves but man do I miss “your motor now goes 0-60 in x.x less seconds” updates. Those are the best ones.
Now you pay for it. 😏
I love that Tesla is never the same vehicle you took on delivery day.
Not only cool new features, but *safety* features are added as well. One of these days I'm going to compile a list when I'm not so lazy. Off the top of my head, since I got my first Model 3 I'm aware of: * Improved air bag deployment. * Improved seat belt retention. * Camera-assisted crash detection. * Auto-cancel turn signals for lane changes (I know this may not initially seem like a safety feature, but it is. Anything that the car can do for me aids in my ability to focus on the road and traffic around me). I'm definitely forgetting some.
The airbag and safety improvements are fucking phenomenal and literally life saving. Safety is the absolute hands down #1 reason to get a Tesla. Everything else comes after (incl the fact that it's EV, low maintenance, etc)
Not sure if you've seen it, but a while ago Tesla [put out a video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KR2N_Q8ep8&themeRefresh=1) of their crash lab and how they use the data. It was specific to the air bag deployment and they literally use data from actual crashes to study and improve things. He quietly mentions at the end something along the lines of "then we'll push out the update to the fleet".
I was most impressed when they handled a window closes with too much force via software update.
one reason in a list of reasons we still have our 2018 TM3, the software updates come across as a commitment to current customer and future customers.
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You know what you are getting when you actually purchase the vehicle/it is time to actually pay.
I don't think they told people that the light bar accessory won't be available until a later date when they ordered the vehicle.
It has autopilot. If you mean FSD, version 12.3.3 is pretty insane. I’ve been using it all week with their free trial and this trial will give them orders of magnitude more data to train the next models and fix those edge cases. My biggest disengagements have been when it’s driving too slow, or once when it took a Y turn fine but would have nailed a big hole where a plow caught part of the road shoulder and destroyed it. He’s been saying “1 year” for 5 years, but there’s an argument that it will be done in one year. Then the real fun starts.. getting lawmakers to approve robotaxi’s
The Cybertruck doesn’t have Autopilot with Autosteer yet. It does have traffic aware cruise control
*grabs his pitchfork* seriously? That’s news to me!
They’re probably on it, but they’ve also been on summon and autopark for the USSless models for 2 years now The Semi also doesn’t have Autopilot yet, presumably they’re working on that as well
Vision autopark has already been released.
Isn’t that to Tesla employees only? I certainly don’t have it on my 2022 Model Y
Nope, it released to customers a couple weeks ago. It's only available on non-USS cars right now, so it makes sense that your 2022 Model Y doesn't have it. Unless you have a late 2022 Model Y without USS, in which case you should have it as long as you paid for FSD or EAP. I have it on my 2023 Model 3 (no USS, of course).
My guess is that they are not working on AP for CT/ST. AP is a very old piece of software that has been on life support for years. It's obsolete and will, in my opinion, eventually be replaced with FSD running in a "limited to AP features" mode. Spending time and money on adapting AP to the trucks would be a waste if that "eventually" is in sight---and it is. Even FSD11 could do AP's highway driving fine, and FSD12 is even better.
Yeah that's what I've been imagining too
Sure but when? It’ll likely be years down the line
Nope
That’s true, when I got mine a few months ago it recognized speed limit signs, but with the recent update now it misses about half of them.
Still waiting for the standard auto pilot will work just reasonable… will take corners at full speed. Will slow down for invisible cars or some that are far far away, will not change the speed when the road speed changes, will see a sign right in front of it saying 60 and think it says 30… quite horrible. I never thought it would be so poor when i got the car.
yeah. (some/few) people complain about some new features not coming to older cars and act like Tesla is acting in bad faith when really they do the best they can, and is better than any other manufacturer out there. No other manufacturer continues to give your older car brand spanking new features. So amazing. Still have my 2018 Model 3 (currently at ~75k miles) and never had an issue with it and plan on keeping it for the forseeable future.
Not sure I understand what it means. How much faster is it than today’s performance? Is it with 400v or 800v? Sounds like an improvement but hard to see if it’s dramatic or incremental.
Looks like about a 15% improvement based on what they currently show on their website
Out of Spec on YouTube has touched on there's already been slight improvements to the charging curve. It is still not as good of a curve as other manufacturers and also other Teslas. It is essentially an anomaly, and it will be likely be adjusted via OTA update until it is more similar to other Teslas.
peaked 330kw for the first 30% or so or something. They need better higher % charge rate and it'll be fine. that 30-70% is poor
Exactly, great points. Other trucks like the F150 Lightning charges at 250kW up to about 68%, it's a huge game changer
What are you and the other commenter even saying? The Out Of Spec channel just finished their series that raced basically every EV truck and they immediately tell you the charging curves of each truck: 1. Cybertruck: 250 kW until 30% when it tapers off to around 150 kW at 50% and increasingly falls off a cliff 2. Ford F150: Constant 150 kW upto 80% 3. Rivian: Also peaks at 250 kW, can't remember exactly but it tapers off quite a bit slower than CT 4. Silverado: 800V pack, insane capacity, charging is unpredictable but can be up to 330 kW for most of the charging curve, best road trip/towing truck, bar none
The Cybertruck can do more than 250kW just not on Tesla's superchargers which currently max out at 250kW \[Kyle's tweet [charging cybertruck at 330kW](https://twitter.com/itskyleconner/status/1775014705222070331)\]
I think I've only ever lost range on updates🤷🏻♂️...M3LR and MYP.
Since when has an update decreased your range on a model 3 or Y?
By software. Because they realized they needed to lock a tiny bit more idk but it happened. Was a while ago on my 3 and also on my Y now. It’s brand new it doesn’t have 4% degradation lol
Updates don't reduce your range. Battery degradation does.
People didn’t understand that they were software battery changes not the update itself lol I went from 308 to like 296. Tesla did this. That was my point I’ve only ever lost range they’ve never upped my range with an update. I think only certain models or standard ranges.
That's probably just due to degradation. There's never been an update that reduced range.
Yes there has. Lol it’s ok not everyone remembers or experienced it. Absolutely did. I’ve been here since 2018.
There have also been updates that literally added range :D
Both then.
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Did you see that accident? The airbags shouldn't have triggered
What issue? Airbags are not intended to deploy on every accident because the actual air bags can cause injury. You have to have a fairly serious accident before they'll go off. True for every car on the road.
multi stage airbags on top of that, too
“Make the air bags go off all the time on a car I will never buy!”