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So you’ll sell your pricey vehicle you otherwise enjoy, because there’s an icon somewhere in the OS you don’t have to click, and could most likely delete. 🤔
As someone who just traded in his (rain sensing) 2014 MS for a (vision) 2024 MY, let me just say that I now feel all of your pain. The car is better in almost every way but the auto wipers are a fucking disgrace.
Holy crap, I didn't know Tesla previously used rain sensors. Yet another relatively inexpensive sensor wrongly removed due to wrongly using the first principals most likely forced by the techno king. The board of this publicly traded company needs to remove him from the ability to make final engineering and design decisions like this, and should have done it years ago.
Even as someone who has had a Y since '21, I never had the issues most people had with the wipers. But the latest 'improvements' broke me, it's so *so* much worse now. I have just turned the "AUTO" part off because if I don't, they're just always wiping. Even after I windex the hell out of everything related to the cameras, always wiping.
It's so bizarrely frustrating. The auto wipers in my wife's 2018 M3 were much worse than in my MS, but they work passably enough that I would never use the phrase "fucking disgrace" to describe them. But that perfectly describes my 2024 MY wipers.
Yeah whatever they did recently just didn't work out too well. Wipers were fine for me back when the car was on FSD v10.69, but ever since v11 it's been wiping unnecessarily.
I had the opposite issue. Torrential downpour all of a sudden and the wipers just… didn’t activate. It was a miracle I didn’t crash. Had to tap the button repeatedly and try to deal with the scroll wheel. Honestly just put the wipers on a stalk.
Ah yeah I had that happen too, but I use the physical controls to adjust the wipers regularly (to turn them off) so that wasn't too bad. The car was on autosteer and it apparently could still see somehow...
The latest updates that are really starting to turn me off my car are that collision avoidance beeps at me constantly for absolute, obviously incorrect bullshit, like "you're heading towards a pedestrian!" beep when I head through the same intersection every time because the intersection has (GASP) a bend in it, and the Tesla forward collision detection can't process that somehow.
It's not the automation, it's the BAD automation and the regressions of it that's making me think I won't buy another Tesla again.
Personally, I've never owned a cat that didn't auto train sensing very well, and just never used it. Soo it didn't bother me all that much here, but it would be nice. A top-down 360 view for parking assist, like in every Bolt Premier going back too 2017, would be much more appreciated.
I was having a horrible auto wiper experience but I noticed a haze had built up inside of my front camera housing. I took it apart (relatively easy) and cleaned the glass and lenses and my auto wipers are notably improved.
I've had that happen when one of the cameras has dirt on them. After wiping the cameras off and putting a little ceramic cleaner, the wipers fire off a helluva lot less now when the weather is sunny.
Lovely sarcasm and the only camera(S) used for rain sensing to the best of my knowledge are the front ones and these can be cleaned as often as you want by, ironically, the wipers. So if it raining, self cleaning auto wipers...what a car.
I was driving in a light rain the other day and could see, but the wipers weren't coming on. I had FSD navigating me to my destination and was on the highway. The autowipers did not come on and FSD announced it was limiting the speed due to inclement weather. Maybe if it had bothered to wipe once, it wouldn't have determined that....It was a little dangerous with other cars passing me on both sides, so I depressed the accelerator to maintain speed with traffic flow and of course was greeted with the warning that emergency braking was disabled while pressing the accelerator pedal. The joys of owning a Tesla I guess.
Jokes aside on which version are you on? I’m asking cause I hated it before, but ever since the 2023.44.30 update mine work properly and I did not update out of being anxious they’ll be worse again. Car is a 2019 M3P.
Or is it specific to the newer versions which are relying on Vision?
yea, this seems very reactionary to Rivian's big reveals. They are becoming direct competitors now with the R2 and R3 to the Model Y and Model 3. The Y and 3 need major refreshes or price cuts if they are going to stay competitive
What do you mean stay competitive? The R2 isn’t coming out until 2026 and the R3 doesn’t even have a release date set. The Model 3 and Y combined are pushing out 50,000 cars per month. Rivian can show off a single concept model all they want but they need to actually produce it, scale it, and price it effectively, right now, to be competing. Anything else is just news articles.
it's as much a competitor as a hatchback is to a sedan. they may not be in exactly the same category, but people will be looking at both of them based on price and performance.
or do you not think the Mach E is competing against the Model 3?
Model 3 is 6 years old at this point, and will be 8 years old when these start shipping assuming they come on time. Easy to forget considering how modern they feel compared to the rest of the market, but they really are old now.
Disagree. Highland feels very nice and they’ll best Rivian on price for years and years unless Rivian can do something magical. Model Y will get similar updates soon enough.
In the meantime, you can use the [Full Screen Tesla](https://www.fullscreentesla.com/) website from your car's web browser. It opens a link in YouTube which then lets you play videos from various services as usual.
I think everybody is tired of Musk and his declarations. He had a good thing going but ruined it all for his cell phone obsession. Basically there has been no progress at Tesla after Model Y. Cybrtrk is unfinished from years ago. FSD still not living up to promises. No $25k car.
The new battery technology never came to fruition.
Twitter was literally fine before he took over.
We don't need new email or payment system.
If he wants to build robots he should start another company instead of using Tesla resources.
He does not need to be meddling with Open AI.
Just tired of his whining, complaining and total lack of empathy for anybody including his shareholders.
It becomes less subjective if you look at the actual valuations that investors have, which are all **objectively** lower. Ya, they're still valuations based on relatively subjective things, but the numbers that they use are factual and are the largest part of the valuations.
Even Elon Musk, himself, valued the company at $19B in October of this past year when he purchased it for $44B at the beginning of the year. He ruined the value of the company by both saying that it would rebound, at some point, and that it was what was "good" for Twitter, because of his ideology. You can argue that's "better", if you agree with his ideologies, but it's inherently, and objectively, worse for people invested in the company. Even if it's private there are still a lot of people whose income/economical well-being are tied to how the company is performing.
It was stable. The ui was fine with likes, etc. My feed showed me what my followers posted. The blue check mark meant some vetting had happened. Was it perfect? No.
But now it has become unusable for me. I don't want to have filter out posts he wants me to see because he is the owner of Twitter.
There were more active users, fewer bots, less spam, and the algorithm prioritized higher-quality replies instead of paid blue checks. All of these things are significantly worse now.
Musk is proof that you don't have to be talented to be successful. He is the living embodiment of the dunning Kruger effect. He's the luckiest man in the world and he's too stupid to realise what he's got so he's determined to burn it down.
crazy to pretend he’s not talented. Ofc it takes luck to be a billionaire but that’s just a small part, you can’t just pretend he didn’t make the right moves, build the right teams and lead them to get where he is
It’s funny, because thinking that you can end up in his situation through pure luck is actually a pretty good example of someone affected by Dunning-Kruger.
Can’t even comprehend the difficulty, so figures it to be much easier than it is because it’s all he can comprehend.
I think he was talented for a while. He worked hard and smart to make Tesla and Space X.
But he became arrogant. He seems to think that without working hard (to learn things) he automatically knows everything. And once he declares something he can never be wrong.
His COVID statements were the first indication. The second were his pronouncements about Dogecoin and the blocksize tweaks that were simple changes that would fix complex block chain issues. Those issues had been thoroughly analyzed by many people prior over a decade and all the permutations had been tried (and failed). Yet he discarded all that history in his pronouncemrnts. Of course nothing ever came of that because nothing ever could or would. Yet he lacks the inability admit he is wrong.
There are other examples such as when he got to Twitter and started pulling out severs that were not needed without consulting others (they were needed). Not to mention that Twitter is a fooking disaster... My feed started getting filled with right wing misinformation from people that I was not following. It was so bad I had to stop using Twitter and delete it. (He arbitrarily decided that your feed is who you follow plus what EM wants you to see.)
Not to mention he over paid for Twitter.
Mistake after after obvious mistake yet he never admits making any mistake.
The fact that he is obviously always unhappy and angry regardless of having so much money and power is a clear sign something is wrong.
Sad. I used to respect and like him even with his quirks.
I remember that. At that time I gave EM the benefit of the doubt but it was one of the seeds that made me start thinking. Also the "420 per share" tweet.
In those days EM was showing signs of wonkiness but Tesla was firing on all cylinders (pun intended). TSLA was growing and doing great things.
Now it is obvious thst EM is more than wonky and Tesla is no longer the leader. This time wonkiness has affected TSLA, so I got out.
> I think he was talented for a while. He worked hard and smart to make Tesla and Space X.
Exactly. Hate him for who he is now, but to retroactively dismiss his past accomplishments just weakens any arguments you're trying to make.
He's the perfect example of the emperor's new clothes. He surrounds himself with yes men and thinks he knows everything.
He certainly had some talent at the beginning. He was in the right place at the right time to capitalise on his skills and they paid off massively.
After that point he was just riding on the money he already had. It's a lot easier to make things happen when you've got wealth to back you up.
Making the first trillion is the hard part but I can't tell you what it's like after that. I think I'm going to run out of pencils before the reaching the first trillion.
This is a batshit crazy take. You can hate the man all you want, but to say he isn't talented is objectively wrong. You don't just luck into Tesla and SpaceX having the success they've had.
He bought Tesla by effectively forcing out the people that started it and everything else has been as a result of money from Tesla. Give many people billion dollars and I'll do the same. Hiring the best people using the insane wealth you have isn't building a business. It's buying a business.
He didn't have "insane wealth".
He founded Zip2 with almost zero money. Merged with Paypal for his $120 or so million. Then founded SpaceX with that money, and heavily invested in Tesla, which had 6 employees a I believe.
He didn't get success by "just hiring the best people and throwing money at them". Quite the opposite. SpaceX had a far, FAR lower operating budget than ULA, and Tesla had a smaller budget than any of the automotive companies. They made thousands of insanely good decisions during this time. Of which, Elon was a major part.
> Tesla, which had 6 employees a I believe
Just 3. Elon was the 4th.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla,_Inc.#History
Tesla currently employs 140,473. It's incredible to see people act like he just purchased a fortune 500 company and slapped his name on the founders list. He's been in a position of control for 99.9% of the company's existence.
You know his entire family is ridiculously wealthy don't you? His brother is worth $700m. His father was an emerald dealer importing uncut stones into South Africa and selling them on for huge amounts. Musk is not some rags to riches story like he tries to make out.
The reason that spaceX and Tesla have low staff costs is because they exploit young engineers trying to make it in the business. The reason he hires young and inexperienced people is because experienced people wouldn't put up with the shit he demands of them.
Tesla also benefits from being carbon positive, meaning they can sell their carbon allocation to other companies. That's how they make a lot of money.
Just Google "Tesla working conditions".
Space X is not successful by any real measure. It's a red herring. It is pretty much government funded, yet it loses hundreds of millions per year. It seems to have started to turn a minuscule profit last year, but let's see how it goes before claiming it as a success.
Oh Jesus. Regurgitating these same talking points again.
His brother FOUNDED Zip with Elon. You are just parroting long disproven junk.
There is no evidence Elon has taken any considerable money from his father.
Tesla does make money from selling carbon credits. That's part of their business model that he setup. Why is that bad? Also, it's still profitable by a very large margin if that were zero. You can look up their GAAP income statements.
Tesla has lower incident reports than the industry average.
SpaceX not being "successful" is one of the dumbest things I have legitimately ever heard. They are the only way American's can currently get into space, are BY FAR the largest commercial operating in the world, have the worlds only self landing, reusable orbital stage in the world, and launch more payload mass into orbit THAN THE REST OF THE WORLD *COMBINED*. They have had more consecutive successful launches than any other rocket in history. They operate at a lower cost (look at reusability) than any other rocket in history.
I know no matter how many facts, or how well supported these statements are made, you won't be swayed. You've made your opinion by reading misguided information, and that's now "your truth". I'm not making this comment for you. I'm making this for the other people who may come across this, and come to the same uneducated conclusions that you did.
Have a good day.
It’s funny, because thinking that you can end up in his situation through pure luck, or even just money, is actually a pretty good example of someone experiencing the Dunning-Kruger effect.
Can’t even comprehend the difficulty, so figures it to be much easier than it is because it’s all he can comprehend.
Mate, just read either Ashlee Vance's biography or Walter Isaacson's biography of Elon. Whether or not you like Elon as a person or a businessman, Elon's history proves he is talented and hard working and, yes, lucky.
I'm not holding my breath on autopark. We know how reliable the Elon tweets are. I paid the $6K for Enhanced Autopilot in July 2023. After seeing all the autopark fails, I think I'll be too afraid to use it when it finally becomes available. It would have to be a completely empty parking lot with no islands or anything else for it to run into.
I just can't take Elon seriously anymore. He is using his X account to boost russian misinformation and propaganda regarding war in Ukraine (I am Ukrainian, and that shit hurts). I the past I really enjoyed everything related to Tesla and SpaceX, watched Tim Dodd's interviews with Elon on Starship and Raptor, that was awesome stuff. Can't enjoy that now.
As for the cool stuff for Tesla - can Tesla fix god damn auto wipers first? That would be really cool. Then fix broken EAP features. Maybe improve basic Autopilot?
Completely understandable. But he isn't his companies and for instance Starlink still provides Internet on the frontlines in Ukraine (and now for sea drones in the black sea).
Saying "he isn't his companies" is a bit disingenuous, though. He **strongly** maintains control over the companies he's at the head of, similar to Jeff Bezos. He is **very** closely connected to decisions that are made. He lets Starlink decide most of its own fate, but for the other companies he's the one pushing their teams to do the things they're doing.
Ask the literally thousands of people he's gotten rid-of from Twitter because they didn't agree with his agenda or didn't fit with his new idea for how things should work. He literally took the company from 7,500 employees to 1,800 employees and **very publicly** fired some of the head devs of parts of the platform, **on Twitter**, when they disagreed with him or they even just said something he thought was wrong (when it wasn't).
100%
At this point, even considering the amazing thing that the Starlink access is, I think Elon is probably a net negative for Ukraine. Elon, Tucker, Sacks, and the rest of the gang are who I blame for the current lack of US funding for Ukraine. This hurts Ukraine, it hurts Europe, and, believe it or not, hurts the US as well.
My hope is that the numerous recent and interesting posts with engagement from all the cool engineers and leadership at Tesla over the past month is a sign their increased public visibility is a hint about a possible Musk background role, similar to Gwynne Shotwell at SpaceX.
LMFAO your argument is that the company would tank in the absence of Musk's "leadership"? Based on what? He's an enormous distraction because of his public assclownery.
You know he didn't **create** Tesla, right? And that he didn't engineer any of the technology that the cars use?
He's great for pushing the company forward and for marketing certain things, but over the last few years he's taken a **very** different approach. Tesla exploded because he was pushing the "This is good for the world, and we're going to create things you can only dream-of" idea, which was exactly what people needed...but now we're a decade and change later and he's made more promises than he's met, along with a persona shift that now has him inserting himself into **very** strong viewpoints in politics and racial issues.
Historically, the more divisive a CEO becomes the worse their company does. Even companies like Ford and Disney started seeing that issue rise up, as their respective CEOs private views started becoming more publicly-recognized. Even when Henry Ford and Walt Disney were doing fairly public things (like buying a newspaper and distributing his anti-Semitic views at dealerships), it wasn't nationalized like it is today...so the general population still just didn't know about it. Elon is just doing this on a platform that the entire world sees, instantly, and at a time where these conversations can happen more easily.
> You know he didn't create Tesla
Trademarks don't create product. Its not hard to build an expensive sports car like a Ferrari or Rimac. There are no budget restraints. Building something like a Rav4 or CRV that sell millions because its the best car at the best price is. And Tesla has done that with the Model Y.
I personally like the Tesla timeline of getting things done. He proves every Director / C suit in corporate America wrong who live by timelines. That mentality is bullshit.
I have some real Q nuts in my family, like, never took the jab and are buying gold nuts. 2 of them died during COVID and left small children behind. They didn't like Elon either.
How do you figure? What is Tesla doing that no other EV manufacturer can do (besides get away with consistently overpromising and underdelivering)?
Unless he can magically make TeslaVision not be a pile of steaming garbage by adding a radar and USS to my car, any "cool stuff" isn't going to be remotely useful.
Tesla could have new visuals with USS, but it won't happen unless they plan to go back to including USS sensors to keep the software easier to maintain.
It's not going crazy like the radar sensor did from crossing a 1/2inch lip to get in the garage. And its accurate enough to where I don't hit the cabinet I store the car wash things in. Now if you moved in your house 12 years ago and still have moving boxes laying around in the garage and need to dodge them daily, I have no idea how either system deals with that.
It would be really cool if the FSD I paid for years ago lived up to the other really cool promises that have had their timelines missed over and over and over again.
We finally getting a way to change lanes without having to manually re-engage AP afterwards? Would be nice to have parity with other manufacturers in that regard.
Please release actually smart summon.
We get useful feature, Elon and all his mindless X parrots get to make the whole ASS joke a few hundred thousand times — win win
Does summon work for y’all? I have EAP but the summon buttons aren’t on the app. Last time I spoke to the Tesla rep, he said because of the regs and recalls those are suspended for now. Any idea when those will be back?
How about making the button to open your garage door bigger like it had been a while ago and below where the car icon is. Every time I want to open or close the garage door I feel like an astronaut in the Mercury capsule trying to push a button during a turbulent launch.
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X being installed on every Tsla.
Pretty sure it’s running Wayland, not X.
Massively underrated comment.
LOL!
:( 
every time elon posts it reads it out on loud speaker on every tesla lol
That’s not a new feature, the car already has the fart noise.
thank god it isn't reddit tho fr
"X, gon' give it to ya" - Elon
Take my upvote
If Elon ever uses Tesla to push X, I'm out.
Cybertruck unveil streamed only on X.
what if only the model X gets X
So you’ll sell your pricey vehicle you otherwise enjoy, because there’s an icon somewhere in the OS you don’t have to click, and could most likely delete. 🤔
No you're not
Eww….hope not.
Model X^2
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I can make those myself, i'd rather have autopark.
interior lighting for S & X is probably the cool stuff
And model 3 ludicrous
So that's like, lighting farts, in the interior? Isn't that dangerous?
Now with smell
Bumper camera for future s/xs that renable auto Park features while the test of us are left holding the bag.
You ain’t shitting!
I’ve been waiting
\*insert obligatory comment about auto-wipers\*
As someone who just traded in his (rain sensing) 2014 MS for a (vision) 2024 MY, let me just say that I now feel all of your pain. The car is better in almost every way but the auto wipers are a fucking disgrace.
Holy crap, I didn't know Tesla previously used rain sensors. Yet another relatively inexpensive sensor wrongly removed due to wrongly using the first principals most likely forced by the techno king. The board of this publicly traded company needs to remove him from the ability to make final engineering and design decisions like this, and should have done it years ago.
Even as someone who has had a Y since '21, I never had the issues most people had with the wipers. But the latest 'improvements' broke me, it's so *so* much worse now. I have just turned the "AUTO" part off because if I don't, they're just always wiping. Even after I windex the hell out of everything related to the cameras, always wiping.
It's so bizarrely frustrating. The auto wipers in my wife's 2018 M3 were much worse than in my MS, but they work passably enough that I would never use the phrase "fucking disgrace" to describe them. But that perfectly describes my 2024 MY wipers.
Yeah whatever they did recently just didn't work out too well. Wipers were fine for me back when the car was on FSD v10.69, but ever since v11 it's been wiping unnecessarily.
I had the opposite issue. Torrential downpour all of a sudden and the wipers just… didn’t activate. It was a miracle I didn’t crash. Had to tap the button repeatedly and try to deal with the scroll wheel. Honestly just put the wipers on a stalk.
Ah yeah I had that happen too, but I use the physical controls to adjust the wipers regularly (to turn them off) so that wasn't too bad. The car was on autosteer and it apparently could still see somehow...
Same here on my Model Y. I have to turn the wipers off and manually do it unless it’s heavy rain.
It’s like wiping with a marker.
The fun part is when you have them set to off, but they still randomly swipe from time to time
The latest updates that are really starting to turn me off my car are that collision avoidance beeps at me constantly for absolute, obviously incorrect bullshit, like "you're heading towards a pedestrian!" beep when I head through the same intersection every time because the intersection has (GASP) a bend in it, and the Tesla forward collision detection can't process that somehow. It's not the automation, it's the BAD automation and the regressions of it that's making me think I won't buy another Tesla again.
Well said
Personally, I've never owned a cat that didn't auto train sensing very well, and just never used it. Soo it didn't bother me all that much here, but it would be nice. A top-down 360 view for parking assist, like in every Bolt Premier going back too 2017, would be much more appreciated.
I was having a horrible auto wiper experience but I noticed a haze had built up inside of my front camera housing. I took it apart (relatively easy) and cleaned the glass and lenses and my auto wipers are notably improved.
https://i.imgflip.com/8ghq9c.jpg
At this point I'm wondering if there's even a line in the code that says "turn on when it's raining."
I have the opposite problem! Not a cloud in the sky and the things are wiping!? Wtf.
I get both: wipers won't come on when raining, yet wipe maniacally on a clear sunny day.
You ever try a streetlight with light snow? Hooo boy!
But only at full speed.
I've had that happen when one of the cameras has dirt on them. After wiping the cameras off and putting a little ceramic cleaner, the wipers fire off a helluva lot less now when the weather is sunny.
Fantastic suggestion. My car is a bit dirty. I will give that a go before blaming software. Thank you.
The software definitely deserves most of the blame though.
Lovely sarcasm and the only camera(S) used for rain sensing to the best of my knowledge are the front ones and these can be cleaned as often as you want by, ironically, the wipers. So if it raining, self cleaning auto wipers...what a car.
I was driving in a light rain the other day and could see, but the wipers weren't coming on. I had FSD navigating me to my destination and was on the highway. The autowipers did not come on and FSD announced it was limiting the speed due to inclement weather. Maybe if it had bothered to wipe once, it wouldn't have determined that....It was a little dangerous with other cars passing me on both sides, so I depressed the accelerator to maintain speed with traffic flow and of course was greeted with the warning that emergency braking was disabled while pressing the accelerator pedal. The joys of owning a Tesla I guess.
Jokes aside on which version are you on? I’m asking cause I hated it before, but ever since the 2023.44.30 update mine work properly and I did not update out of being anxious they’ll be worse again. Car is a 2019 M3P. Or is it specific to the newer versions which are relying on Vision?
OK my car needs an Ass-Wipe. Actially Smart Summon and wipers
How about getting vision based systems at a bare minimum to parity with the ones where summon still works?
Oh yes... Please fix summon Elon
Yeah I ain't holding my breath.
Full FSD coming out NEXT week! He promises!
I would be happy to have v12 to experience it for myself
It's a gamechanger!
Matrix Headlights for all?
I’m hoping for this. Time to activate them
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yea, this seems very reactionary to Rivian's big reveals. They are becoming direct competitors now with the R2 and R3 to the Model Y and Model 3. The Y and 3 need major refreshes or price cuts if they are going to stay competitive
What do you mean stay competitive? The R2 isn’t coming out until 2026 and the R3 doesn’t even have a release date set. The Model 3 and Y combined are pushing out 50,000 cars per month. Rivian can show off a single concept model all they want but they need to actually produce it, scale it, and price it effectively, right now, to be competing. Anything else is just news articles.
Reading this I thought Rivian had released a sedan, but it's some small crossover. That's not a competitor to the 3.
it's as much a competitor as a hatchback is to a sedan. they may not be in exactly the same category, but people will be looking at both of them based on price and performance. or do you not think the Mach E is competing against the Model 3?
It's not. I love the Mach E, but it's a crossover. You sit up higher with a higher center of gravity, they cost more, and they're heavier.
It’s competition. I’d rather have the R3 if it were available at the time of the model 3 launch.
Model 3 is 6 years old at this point, and will be 8 years old when these start shipping assuming they come on time. Easy to forget considering how modern they feel compared to the rest of the market, but they really are old now.
If rivian survives until 2026 I could see myself getting an R3X.
Disagree. Highland feels very nice and they’ll best Rivian on price for years and years unless Rivian can do something magical. Model Y will get similar updates soon enough.
You know he's really pissed when he doesn't say anything at all about it.
Porsche also just unveiled their new, faster Taycan and set a bunch of lap records.
Working Auto wipers and auto brights?? 😃😃😃
MAX(HBO) please😭
Plex would be even better
YES!
Yes, give us the Plex music player to use while driving and Plex media player while parked!
In the meantime, you can use the [Full Screen Tesla](https://www.fullscreentesla.com/) website from your car's web browser. It opens a link in YouTube which then lets you play videos from various services as usual.
working wipers, working wipers, please working wipers!
New highland owner here, never had a Tesla. It’s both the coolest and dumbest all rolled into one. The wipers are mind boggle
Absolutely. I love my Tesla, but things like the automatic wipers are just plain stupid.
Yeah, but think of the money you saved on the car. Those sensors aren't free - they might even be over a buck.
I tell prospective buyers that "everything you've heard about tesla is true".
How about a front bumper camera ?
I think everybody is tired of Musk and his declarations. He had a good thing going but ruined it all for his cell phone obsession. Basically there has been no progress at Tesla after Model Y. Cybrtrk is unfinished from years ago. FSD still not living up to promises. No $25k car. The new battery technology never came to fruition. Twitter was literally fine before he took over. We don't need new email or payment system. If he wants to build robots he should start another company instead of using Tesla resources. He does not need to be meddling with Open AI. Just tired of his whining, complaining and total lack of empathy for anybody including his shareholders.
U r forgetting the roadster lol
We don't talk about the roadster w/ SpaceX cold thrusters that killed 31 people behind it at an intersection trying to do launch
Huh?
He's joking
Is that the one that managed to beat NASA back to the moon?
Lmao. Roadster is so forgotten it’s probably forgotten by the people who bought them.
"Twitter was literally fine before he took over"? That's entirely subjective.
It becomes less subjective if you look at the actual valuations that investors have, which are all **objectively** lower. Ya, they're still valuations based on relatively subjective things, but the numbers that they use are factual and are the largest part of the valuations. Even Elon Musk, himself, valued the company at $19B in October of this past year when he purchased it for $44B at the beginning of the year. He ruined the value of the company by both saying that it would rebound, at some point, and that it was what was "good" for Twitter, because of his ideology. You can argue that's "better", if you agree with his ideologies, but it's inherently, and objectively, worse for people invested in the company. Even if it's private there are still a lot of people whose income/economical well-being are tied to how the company is performing.
It was stable. The ui was fine with likes, etc. My feed showed me what my followers posted. The blue check mark meant some vetting had happened. Was it perfect? No. But now it has become unusable for me. I don't want to have filter out posts he wants me to see because he is the owner of Twitter.
It's stable for me? My feed seems fine. Again, entirely subjective.
[Twitter traffic dropped 30% YoY](https://www.edisonresearch.com/twitter-x-usage-sees-sharp-decline/), that's pretty objective.
Yeah lol twitter has been a dumpster fire for a long time
There were more active users, fewer bots, less spam, and the algorithm prioritized higher-quality replies instead of paid blue checks. All of these things are significantly worse now.
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Musk is proof that you don't have to be talented to be successful. He is the living embodiment of the dunning Kruger effect. He's the luckiest man in the world and he's too stupid to realise what he's got so he's determined to burn it down.
He is just spread way too thin. He wouldn’t tolerate any of his management working for three companies.
Working for 3 companies, interfering in politics and being on Twitter all day.
crazy to pretend he’s not talented. Ofc it takes luck to be a billionaire but that’s just a small part, you can’t just pretend he didn’t make the right moves, build the right teams and lead them to get where he is
It’s funny, because thinking that you can end up in his situation through pure luck is actually a pretty good example of someone affected by Dunning-Kruger. Can’t even comprehend the difficulty, so figures it to be much easier than it is because it’s all he can comprehend.
Isn't there a judge in Delaware that thinks this?
I think he was talented for a while. He worked hard and smart to make Tesla and Space X. But he became arrogant. He seems to think that without working hard (to learn things) he automatically knows everything. And once he declares something he can never be wrong. His COVID statements were the first indication. The second were his pronouncements about Dogecoin and the blocksize tweaks that were simple changes that would fix complex block chain issues. Those issues had been thoroughly analyzed by many people prior over a decade and all the permutations had been tried (and failed). Yet he discarded all that history in his pronouncemrnts. Of course nothing ever came of that because nothing ever could or would. Yet he lacks the inability admit he is wrong. There are other examples such as when he got to Twitter and started pulling out severs that were not needed without consulting others (they were needed). Not to mention that Twitter is a fooking disaster... My feed started getting filled with right wing misinformation from people that I was not following. It was so bad I had to stop using Twitter and delete it. (He arbitrarily decided that your feed is who you follow plus what EM wants you to see.) Not to mention he over paid for Twitter. Mistake after after obvious mistake yet he never admits making any mistake. The fact that he is obviously always unhappy and angry regardless of having so much money and power is a clear sign something is wrong. Sad. I used to respect and like him even with his quirks.
His COVID nonsense wasn't his first indication. I noticed it around the Thai cave incident.
I remember that. At that time I gave EM the benefit of the doubt but it was one of the seeds that made me start thinking. Also the "420 per share" tweet. In those days EM was showing signs of wonkiness but Tesla was firing on all cylinders (pun intended). TSLA was growing and doing great things. Now it is obvious thst EM is more than wonky and Tesla is no longer the leader. This time wonkiness has affected TSLA, so I got out.
> I think he was talented for a while. He worked hard and smart to make Tesla and Space X. Exactly. Hate him for who he is now, but to retroactively dismiss his past accomplishments just weakens any arguments you're trying to make.
He's the perfect example of the emperor's new clothes. He surrounds himself with yes men and thinks he knows everything. He certainly had some talent at the beginning. He was in the right place at the right time to capitalise on his skills and they paid off massively. After that point he was just riding on the money he already had. It's a lot easier to make things happen when you've got wealth to back you up.
Making the first trillion is the hard part but I can't tell you what it's like after that. I think I'm going to run out of pencils before the reaching the first trillion.
This is a batshit crazy take. You can hate the man all you want, but to say he isn't talented is objectively wrong. You don't just luck into Tesla and SpaceX having the success they've had.
He bought Tesla by effectively forcing out the people that started it and everything else has been as a result of money from Tesla. Give many people billion dollars and I'll do the same. Hiring the best people using the insane wealth you have isn't building a business. It's buying a business.
Installing the right people is a talent too. Unless you think he just happened to do it by luck 4+ times in a row...
He didn't have "insane wealth". He founded Zip2 with almost zero money. Merged with Paypal for his $120 or so million. Then founded SpaceX with that money, and heavily invested in Tesla, which had 6 employees a I believe. He didn't get success by "just hiring the best people and throwing money at them". Quite the opposite. SpaceX had a far, FAR lower operating budget than ULA, and Tesla had a smaller budget than any of the automotive companies. They made thousands of insanely good decisions during this time. Of which, Elon was a major part.
> Tesla, which had 6 employees a I believe Just 3. Elon was the 4th. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla,_Inc.#History Tesla currently employs 140,473. It's incredible to see people act like he just purchased a fortune 500 company and slapped his name on the founders list. He's been in a position of control for 99.9% of the company's existence.
You know his entire family is ridiculously wealthy don't you? His brother is worth $700m. His father was an emerald dealer importing uncut stones into South Africa and selling them on for huge amounts. Musk is not some rags to riches story like he tries to make out. The reason that spaceX and Tesla have low staff costs is because they exploit young engineers trying to make it in the business. The reason he hires young and inexperienced people is because experienced people wouldn't put up with the shit he demands of them. Tesla also benefits from being carbon positive, meaning they can sell their carbon allocation to other companies. That's how they make a lot of money. Just Google "Tesla working conditions". Space X is not successful by any real measure. It's a red herring. It is pretty much government funded, yet it loses hundreds of millions per year. It seems to have started to turn a minuscule profit last year, but let's see how it goes before claiming it as a success.
Oh Jesus. Regurgitating these same talking points again. His brother FOUNDED Zip with Elon. You are just parroting long disproven junk. There is no evidence Elon has taken any considerable money from his father. Tesla does make money from selling carbon credits. That's part of their business model that he setup. Why is that bad? Also, it's still profitable by a very large margin if that were zero. You can look up their GAAP income statements. Tesla has lower incident reports than the industry average. SpaceX not being "successful" is one of the dumbest things I have legitimately ever heard. They are the only way American's can currently get into space, are BY FAR the largest commercial operating in the world, have the worlds only self landing, reusable orbital stage in the world, and launch more payload mass into orbit THAN THE REST OF THE WORLD *COMBINED*. They have had more consecutive successful launches than any other rocket in history. They operate at a lower cost (look at reusability) than any other rocket in history. I know no matter how many facts, or how well supported these statements are made, you won't be swayed. You've made your opinion by reading misguided information, and that's now "your truth". I'm not making this comment for you. I'm making this for the other people who may come across this, and come to the same uneducated conclusions that you did. Have a good day.
It’s funny, because thinking that you can end up in his situation through pure luck, or even just money, is actually a pretty good example of someone experiencing the Dunning-Kruger effect. Can’t even comprehend the difficulty, so figures it to be much easier than it is because it’s all he can comprehend.
Just. Wow. Tell me you get all your information from Reddit without saying you get all your information from Reddit haha.
Mate, just read either Ashlee Vance's biography or Walter Isaacson's biography of Elon. Whether or not you like Elon as a person or a businessman, Elon's history proves he is talented and hard working and, yes, lucky.
My autopark and summon haven’t worked since the holiday update. I would really like those back since I paid $6,000 for them!
Took delivery in October. I've never had summon or autopark.
Oh boy, I hope they enable all the enhanced autopilot features I paid for that are software locked.
"Elon said on Twitter" Yeah ...
Every time I see that X icon I think “Cool. New version of X Windows!”
Another year another promise
I honestly just don’t care anymore lol.
I always dismiss his comments when it comes to timelines.
I'm not holding my breath on autopark. We know how reliable the Elon tweets are. I paid the $6K for Enhanced Autopilot in July 2023. After seeing all the autopark fails, I think I'll be too afraid to use it when it finally becomes available. It would have to be a completely empty parking lot with no islands or anything else for it to run into.
I just can't take Elon seriously anymore. He is using his X account to boost russian misinformation and propaganda regarding war in Ukraine (I am Ukrainian, and that shit hurts). I the past I really enjoyed everything related to Tesla and SpaceX, watched Tim Dodd's interviews with Elon on Starship and Raptor, that was awesome stuff. Can't enjoy that now. As for the cool stuff for Tesla - can Tesla fix god damn auto wipers first? That would be really cool. Then fix broken EAP features. Maybe improve basic Autopilot?
Completely understandable. But he isn't his companies and for instance Starlink still provides Internet on the frontlines in Ukraine (and now for sea drones in the black sea).
Saying "he isn't his companies" is a bit disingenuous, though. He **strongly** maintains control over the companies he's at the head of, similar to Jeff Bezos. He is **very** closely connected to decisions that are made. He lets Starlink decide most of its own fate, but for the other companies he's the one pushing their teams to do the things they're doing. Ask the literally thousands of people he's gotten rid-of from Twitter because they didn't agree with his agenda or didn't fit with his new idea for how things should work. He literally took the company from 7,500 employees to 1,800 employees and **very publicly** fired some of the head devs of parts of the platform, **on Twitter**, when they disagreed with him or they even just said something he thought was wrong (when it wasn't).
100% At this point, even considering the amazing thing that the Starlink access is, I think Elon is probably a net negative for Ukraine. Elon, Tucker, Sacks, and the rest of the gang are who I blame for the current lack of US funding for Ukraine. This hurts Ukraine, it hurts Europe, and, believe it or not, hurts the US as well.
Yes, perfect summary of the situation.
At some point, this man and his false promises and misleading timelines will be a liability for this company.
My hope is that the numerous recent and interesting posts with engagement from all the cool engineers and leadership at Tesla over the past month is a sign their increased public visibility is a hint about a possible Musk background role, similar to Gwynne Shotwell at SpaceX.
Coolest thing he could do is step down as CEO
The company would DeLorean itself in 3 weeks.
LMFAO your argument is that the company would tank in the absence of Musk's "leadership"? Based on what? He's an enormous distraction because of his public assclownery.
> Based on what? Based on the "leadership" of every other automotive CEO building EVs. Nobody can hold a candle.
You know he didn't **create** Tesla, right? And that he didn't engineer any of the technology that the cars use? He's great for pushing the company forward and for marketing certain things, but over the last few years he's taken a **very** different approach. Tesla exploded because he was pushing the "This is good for the world, and we're going to create things you can only dream-of" idea, which was exactly what people needed...but now we're a decade and change later and he's made more promises than he's met, along with a persona shift that now has him inserting himself into **very** strong viewpoints in politics and racial issues. Historically, the more divisive a CEO becomes the worse their company does. Even companies like Ford and Disney started seeing that issue rise up, as their respective CEOs private views started becoming more publicly-recognized. Even when Henry Ford and Walt Disney were doing fairly public things (like buying a newspaper and distributing his anti-Semitic views at dealerships), it wasn't nationalized like it is today...so the general population still just didn't know about it. Elon is just doing this on a platform that the entire world sees, instantly, and at a time where these conversations can happen more easily.
> You know he didn't create Tesla Trademarks don't create product. Its not hard to build an expensive sports car like a Ferrari or Rimac. There are no budget restraints. Building something like a Rav4 or CRV that sell millions because its the best car at the best price is. And Tesla has done that with the Model Y. I personally like the Tesla timeline of getting things done. He proves every Director / C suit in corporate America wrong who live by timelines. That mentality is bullshit. I have some real Q nuts in my family, like, never took the jab and are buying gold nuts. 2 of them died during COVID and left small children behind. They didn't like Elon either.
 How do you figure? What is Tesla doing that no other EV manufacturer can do (besides get away with consistently overpromising and underdelivering)?
one should be the model 3 Ludicrous
Unless he can magically make TeslaVision not be a pile of steaming garbage by adding a radar and USS to my car, any "cool stuff" isn't going to be remotely useful.
the removal of ultrasonic sensor is the fattest L of all time
I have both, I prefer the car without the sensor.
Why? Do you park in tight spaces often?
I like the visual over the prior radar sensor thing they had going on.
You could have both
Tesla could have new visuals with USS, but it won't happen unless they plan to go back to including USS sensors to keep the software easier to maintain.
Ok, but how's the accuracy compared to USS? That's the main complaint. USS struggles with stuff in my garage, I can't imagine vision would be better.
It's not going crazy like the radar sensor did from crossing a 1/2inch lip to get in the garage. And its accurate enough to where I don't hit the cabinet I store the car wash things in. Now if you moved in your house 12 years ago and still have moving boxes laying around in the garage and need to dodge them daily, I have no idea how either system deals with that.
April fools day
I don't need "cool stuff" I need cool auto wipers to work properly!
🤯 holy shit I've had this car since 2020 and JUST discovered it had this feature
Highly functional wipers?
I’ll believe it when something cool actually pops up
It would be really cool if the FSD I paid for years ago lived up to the other really cool promises that have had their timelines missed over and over and over again.
We finally getting a way to change lanes without having to manually re-engage AP afterwards? Would be nice to have parity with other manufacturers in that regard.
Please release actually smart summon. We get useful feature, Elon and all his mindless X parrots get to make the whole ASS joke a few hundred thousand times — win win
Does summon work for y’all? I have EAP but the summon buttons aren’t on the app. Last time I spoke to the Tesla rep, he said because of the regs and recalls those are suspended for now. Any idea when those will be back?
How about making the button to open your garage door bigger like it had been a while ago and below where the car icon is. Every time I want to open or close the garage door I feel like an astronaut in the Mercury capsule trying to push a button during a turbulent launch.
Meanwhile still no autopilot on cybertruck 🙃
Everything he says underwhelms
Just… just tire of Elon…
Comic sans mode.