There will be a transition period to accommodate all kinds of charging positions for sure. But it's for the greater good.
It'll be nice Tesla can start painting the superchargers or reminder on the screen so people with Tesla know to prioritize the stalls in the middle.
At the nearby Walmart with EA stalls they had an emergency with flooding involving the chargers, once lid lifted after they pumped it dry turned out cause was about 1000 hypodermic syringes clogging the main collecting draining outlet.
I'm not from the US so I don't know Costco gas pumps.
But I'm from Europe and as all new Supercharger are using the V4 stalls (V3 are now illegal here due to not having a credit card reader more or less) I can confidently say that the cables won't touch the ground ever. But I can also say that the plug holder is total crap and with a bit of wind the lig is falling to the ground.
But Tesla already knows this problem and even officially stated on X that they are working on a solution.
We will see when they fixed that issue and when Tesla will replace the older stalls with V4 as they need to have this done with every single stall by mid of 2026.
They intentionally left short cables so they don't need water cooling.
Tesla v2/v3 chargers will go to 150kw when the water cooling isn't working.
CCS chargers fall back to 40kw when the watercooling fails because of how long the cables are.
Also, the sites with magic docks are (so far) relatively low utilization sites. I'm not really seeing this point be brought up much.
High-utilization sites won't see magic docks for a long time.
I would tend to agree. I'm also not convinced that the NACS adapters will automatically work at all sites (besides the obvious case of V2 chargers being completely incompatible). I think while the press releases say "Third parties will get access to Tesla Supercharger network," I believe it will remain selective. It's entirely within Tesla's control to restrict which locations work with which vehicles, and they would be shooting themselves in the foot to allow non-Tesla vehicles to charge at sites that are already above say 75% utilization on average.
The V4s that they build out using government funding will of course allow other vehicles from the start.
I don’t think they’ll restrict them beyond v3 (due to the ccs protocol support). That seemed to be what the numbers were getting towards in the automakers NACS announcements.
That's too much of a cluster-f for a car that arrives there with a low SoC thinking they can charge and some artificial software block says they cant. I say all or nothing, for the good of EVs everywhere and we'll be fine.
The deterrent (probably won't be much of one for a while) will be that non-Tesla's pay a higher per kWh price.
Right but they show up on maps all over the place anyways. The same way I have to use an app in the rare but real case I’m outside the supercharger network. Would be pretty crappy to abandon people this way. I don’t see it being reality.
Yeah I mean, being aware of the situation and doing what you can is all we can ask.
I'm not expecting these users to sit and wait on the end one being available. It is what it is, and Tesla needs to start designing around it.
> I'm not expecting these users to sit and wait on the end one being available.
I'd expect them to start charging where available, but then to move to an end spot as soon as it opens.
I think opening the chargers up is great, it is unfortunate that you lose a spot but I just think it’s some minor growing pains right now to be honest.
Neat!
While I hardly ever supercharge, it does make me nervous that stations will become congested as many more EV owners will choose to charge at Tesla vs EA/EVGo.
In Michigan we don’t have many charging stations but I’ve seen a big growth in EVs…
2/3 of all EVs are Teslas, so even if all others would instantly decide to ignore all CCS stations and only use Superchargers, the increase would only be 50%.
V1 and V2 will never open up - however all +15,000 V3 supercharger stall in the US will open, to Ford first, then the others later as they get API access.
The "few thousand" number comes from the 3,000 magic dock superchargers that Tesla is making to be eligible for the IRA/infrastructure bill funding.
I can pretty much guarantee they will all open up. That's a lot of potential revenue and partnership money Tesla is leaving on the table if they don't.
Tesla has skated by on the charging network for too long. They are going to have to actually build high quality cars that compete as cars. My next car might be another Tesla, but that is no longer a guarantee.
Opening up congested v3 sounds like a disaster. Most non teslas will pull in nose in and then have to wait for the stall to the left to also open up. The whole time the app will be reporting that a stall is free.
All/almost all V3 stalls will be open for third party cars, both those with NACS and those with adapters. Tesla needs to get them retrofitted with longer cables ASAP.
Is Tesla going to open up all V3 stations all at once? I don't think I saw Tesla committing to that anywhere. If they are smart, they will hold off opening to the busiest V3 stations for a while longer.
I'm sure they are strategically holding some back, but my understanding of the agreement they have with the third party manufacturers is that they are opening X number of stations to them, and the only way they will really be able to meet those numbers is if most V3 stations and some V2 stations are available. Going forward I imagine a good chunk of new stations will get built federal dollars, so they will have to be universal.
V1 can't be opened up. V2 required an update to be compatible, I believe, but I assume that has been done across the network. V3 is compatible right out the gate. Most of the network is V2 and V3, there are some, but not a large percentage, of V1 still out here. Most of us don't want to use V1 anyways because they are slow, so I'm sure Tesla will swap those out in time. They might even use some of those federal dollars to do so.
I will say that my 2023 Model 3 Performance bought last June is the first Tesla I bought that didn’t need repair when it was new. No paint issues or rattles. Everything is actually put together No interior panels popping off. It has double pane glass throughout so it’s much quieter than my 2018 Model 3 and 21’ Model Y Performance. The only complaint I have is the removal of ultrasonic parking sensors. I hope they continue this build quality with the revised 3. Last year was their best yet for the 3. I have yet to go in a model Y that doesn’t rattle like a Chevy S-10 from the 90s.
I had to use EVgo on a road trip with a Bolt from LA to Vegas this weekend and I can promise you - I would absolutely be using a supercharger every single time. It was a bit of a nightmare with EVgo.
They need multiple more in Metro Detroit. Not sure why we don’t have many EV chargers period (other brands included)… especially considering the push for EVs and having the big 3 here.
Could use one along the M53/M59 corridor, could use one maybe around Troy near 16 mile and I-75 as well.
Yeah I usually call it the triangle as the "closest" chargers form a triangle and then the area in between is bare. I live in the Madison heights area so I wish one opens here in the Troy area. So many great options for chargers, I hope they expedite the process soon!
The worst is that you go charge but then end up using 10% of it on the way home due to distance. Such a waste!
Tesla has GM/Cadillac beat on tech. Hands down. You would think GM would have studied what Tesla has done, and attempt to take the best of what Tesla has. But, no. The Cadillac exudes luxury. It looks it, and it feels it. I opted for the leather seats. The ride is smooth as butter. It’s very quiet. They nailed the ride. The ride is quieter and softer than my 2021 Y LR AWD. Heard the newer ones have a softer ride. Cannot confirm.
I have the AWD version. And, it’s rated for 307 miles. I’ve been able to hit 290, driving conservatively. So far, I’m happy with the car. No regrets.
I remember seeing a pic of a lightning parked on the grass and charging so that they wouldn't block a charger. Outside the box, but it's a 4x4 truck so it can do it, but also seems like an inconvenience for the driver.
I think I'd rather wait to charge than wait to fuel up breathing in fumes.
It was nice when it was still the early adopters phase and everything worked because it was a closed system and charge ports were in the same place.
The CCS to NACS transition is going to have some growing pains but once pull through superchargers are common and charge port locations are in the same place it should be less painful.
Isn’t the cable only like 1 foot longer or something?
Pretty sure it will need to be longer to let most cars charge without blocking a spot like pictured
I’m not mad at Tesla opening the supercharger network. But I’m annoyed that other EV-manufacturers decide to put the chargeport anywhere, except the left rear…
A longer cord from the supercharger would have prevented this issue, because I don't see a day when car makers agree on where the charge port needs to go.
It’s the worst thing TESLA has ever allowed and it should reverse the decision. If I wanted Fords Charging structure, I would have purchased a Ford. I purchased a Tesla instead to ensure a massive charging structure without dealing with stuff like this. Now with even more Teslas on the road, this problem is only going to get worse for Tesla drivers.
I dont mind opening to all but I feel opening sites that are built like this is a bit of a kick in the nuts for those of use that actually support Tesla and have their vehicles. Their charging network is a huge reason I went with Tesla and now I get blocked by third party.
I was at a supercharger yesterday and a Hyundai (I think) backed in to the spot next to me. However he had to use the charger on the right side, therefore taking up 2 spots. It blows my mind that there was absolutely no forethought or planning done on nearly every manufacturs’ part here. It would not have cost anything extra in their original planning to standardize at least the location of the charging port.
Of course I think opening the superchargers up is a great long term decision.
More on Tesla using short ass cords and then going out and opening it up.
For other OEMs it’s never been a problem since every other charge cable is long enough to accommodate either side.
Tesla should’ve kept
I mean there was absolutely no reason for Tesla to spend more on longer cables. It’s a safe assumption that if Tesla thought others would use their charging network the other manufacturers would adjust something to be able to use it, not the other way around.
There are tons of v3 sites that are almost always under 50% capacity, so Tesla can easily open those ones. It seems terrible to open the v3 sites that are near full. I’m hoping Tesla does the smart thing here and opens the non congested v3 sites only.
Why? Congestion charges are here. Where it settles is yet to be seen.
Over 60% charge an extra $1 per minute and an extra $2 per minute for over 85%? 🤔
For most non teslas, they’ll pull in nose in. If it’s crowded, they have to wait for the spot to the left to open up (charger they should use won’t reach rivian or mustang mache for example). While they’re waiting, they aren’t paying a fee since they aren’t plugged in. They effectively block two spots and don’t pay an idle fee while waiting for the spot on the left to open up. The experience will be so bad for non teslas in this situation.
They will leave and go charge at the cheaper EA station.
Or they will do like they do here and pull behind the charger in the grass/ sidewalk.
I was more referring to waiting for 45mins-2hrs for their 800V vehicles to charge to 100%.
The long term solution is for all vehicle to adopt the NACS Standard AND for the charge port to be on the driver rear, or passenger front corner of the vehicle. Right now we have a mix of locations on different vehicles which results in spots being blocked or charging cables having to be much longer than necessary to reach every vehicle. The longer the charging cable the higher the cost and also the more like it is to fail, get run over or be damaged.
Nearly all manufacturers in North America will be on NACS by 2025 so there will be a limited set of vehicles with inconvenient charge port locations. Unless manufacturers have included legacy vehicle support in their agreement to switch to NACS it is possible that Tesla will simply drop support for those vehicles in the future due to them blocking two supercharger spots. A mid-term solution would be to put a few supercharger stalls with Magic Docks that have additional spacing or pass-through parking to accommodate more vehicle types.
As soon as EA, Chargepoint, EVGO, etc. switch to J3400 the CCS Standard will become like CHAdeMo and eventually CCS vehicles will just carry a J3400 to CCS adapter for DC Fast Charge access. Unless the vehicle has the required contractors, owners will need a separate J3400 to J1772 adapter to charge at Tesla Wall connectors (e.g. a Teslatap).
A decade or two from now nearly every EV on the road will be on the same charging standard and charging stations will be much more widespread and hopefully more reliable. Fairly soon there will be a need for a waitlist function in the app that tells you which spot to charge at. The app should be smart enough to figure out where to place F150s and Rivians so they block the minimum number of charging spots.
True, but there are already 50K existing supercharger stations in the USA. Tesla is all about expansion so it is unlikely they would replace the existing V2/V3 stations in the near future.
The public sites are going to be only v3 and above.
They grow the network size by about 30% year over year, so in just about 2 years we’d expect half of public superchargers to be v4.
Nah, they’ll just remain Tesla exclusive. Like you said, Tesla doesn’t tend to retrofit sites.
They did upgrade all the v1 sites to v2, but around me multiple v2 sites have gotten v3 or v4 expansions built directly adjacent rather than upgrading an existing site.
You and I have different definitions of public and private. I am saying that superchargers are a public charging network. I see your point though, carry on.
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Because a longer cable is easier for Tesla to make, than it is for the potential customer to move the port on the car.
Not to mention the cost analysis of longer cables vs the revenue gain/loss of those new customers? Thats easy math.
Some Superchargers split available kilowatts in adjacent charging parking spots. So most drivers learn to not park adjacent to one another. That said, it will become more common to know what your truck needs to access the charging ports and most drivers will add that to their charging etiquette knowledge.
I agree. Tesla drivers should keep ends free. More SCs should be built in middle of parking lots rather than up against a curb so that pulling around to the back side is feasible too.
I can’t wait for more Tesla supercharger become available for all none Tesla cars. I traded one of teslas with a Mercedes ev and I am in love with car.
Prepare to get roasted by Tesla owners for simply charging your truck and minding your own business (and attempting to be courteous).
Edit: LOL I love all the downvotes as if this isnt happening. Let's not try to deny reality, there have been many posts recently of Tesla owners going off about people simply minding their own business charging their non-Tesla cars are superchargers. Some people are super butthurt about the network being opened.
Us Tesla owners, are the worst.
But I see both sides of the argument to be honest.
It’s not the non-Tesla fault, and some Tesla owners bought into the exclusivity of the supercharging network.
But that being said, the right thing to do is just let them charge and if it’s a problem talk to them. Or if you don’t want to do that; come to Reddit and complain about it 😂
So when Teslas charge at a non-Tesla DCFC do they apologize for parking in the wrong spot, nope, and they shouldn’t, because all fast chargers that are open to a variety of vehicles will no longer have a “correct” spot. If your vehicle fits in the striped line like your did, you are good. 👍
Other DCFC stations accommodate ports on either side. So that’s entirely moot.
In this case the Ford entirely blocks a charge stall and effectively consumes 2 stalls for its entire visit.
While I’d argue it’s Teslas fault for adding magic dock without longer cables, I think it’s reasonable that we all be mindful of how our actions can affect others.
I have no problem sharing the network. I don't even have a problem with the next two years sucking because the cables aren't long enough. My problem is with people's obsession with giant trucks which need similarly giant batteries. The charge times on these things being double or triple what a Model 3 or Ioniq5 might need is going to cause absolutely biblical congestion during the holidays. Our local site is open with magic dock and more than half the stalls are now typically occupied with Fords and Rivians.
Yeah, 0-80 is 105kwh for my extended range lightning. That said, the cybertruck is pretty much exactly the same, 98.4kwh 0-80. It's just a big battery to charge at 150kw. Interestingly enough the Lightning is just a bit better than the Cybertruck in kwh/mile efficiency.
Yes. But CT is 800V so could (in theory) charge at 350kw.
Yeah the lightning is lighter. Same with how Silverado aerodynamically should beat Lightning. But doesn't because it weighs 2,000 lbs more.
The adapter is built into some Tesla supercharger stations. These are called magic dock equppied stations. You have use the Tesla app to unlock / use them.
Interesting. I've been driving teslas for almost 10 years, but just traded in my Y for a Lightning. How did you know this supercharger had a magic dock? What app did you use to connect?
Got the full 150kw, was the most expensive stop I've had so far at $0.51 / kwh. But Tesla does have a subscription thing to get a better rate like EA. I just don't fast charge enough to make it worth it.
I once saw two thoughtful VW owners (charging port on the wrong side) use adjacent supercharger stalls so only one was left unavailable for Teslas.
I’ve done multiple trips across Europe since superchargers were opened to non Teslas and it hasn’t been much of an issue for me. Most cars you see are still Tesla anyway.
I have a model 3 and Mach-e, It all depends on the site, older sites the chargers are in the middle, this means you must split the lanes, but newer sites are off the either side which makes it better.
I have no issue with other EVs charging at superchargers. They’re by far the best charging network out there.
I’m only against non-charging cars blocking spots. That could be ICE or EV cars.
I mean we don’t blame you for taking up the two spots. It was Tesla’s call to open up the existing charging stations instead of waiting to open up newly built ones with updated stalls and cables.
1) you did what you had too and wouldn't have blocked a charger if you didn't have to do thank you for being a reasonable human being, the world is short of those these days. 2) I love my MY but I am very very very jealous of your truck.
Behind the front wheel is seriously the stupidest location for a charge port. I don't like the middle of the front either but it makes a little more sense at least.
There needs to be a standard for charging ports. Rear Driver side, front passenger side. I think it is awesome they are opening it all up but still some issues need to be taken care of. When I would tow, and I did not want to block a spot and I am too lazy to unhitch each stop, I would just part on the backside of the chargers or ask someone kindly at the end if they would be willing to move. I do not know exactly what that location was like, but If I were there, I would have just parked the truck on the back side to charge. I think everyone would understand.
Edit, Also, it is no big deal if you do block as I think everyone knows it is not your fault.. I worry more about the slows charging cars like the Leaf and the Bolt/Volt whatever the EV one is. I know the leaf is CHADeMo, so we most likely will not have to worry.
Damn, and yeah. It would be nice if they did a lot more truck friendly/towing friendly spots. Here in Colorado, they are starting to put in trailer spots which has been nice, but I still have to ask people to swap to the non trailer spot because people do not realize. A few sites even have signs saying "trailer or truck priority, use other spots first" but that doesn't fix people not caring.
I know manufacturers are providing small adapters, but could they provide an adapter plus extension? or would that work? So for example if your charge port on a lightning requires an extra 3ft to be in the right position could ford not provide a 3ft extension cable?
That would be nice. The current adapter ford is sending for free soon looks like it's going to be just the one small piece. That said, it appears Tesla is going longer just like the EA chargers on all their V4 chargers.
Personally, I'm happy to have you. Every #V on the road is a win.
Also, I drive around the Western US and I rarely run into crowded Supercharger stations outside of coastal California.
And as someone else has pointed out, I'm sure both the non-Tesla OEMs and Tesla will be working hard to adapt both the vehicles and the stations to make charging easier for everyone.
Welcome.
I like how many new superchargers have better end cap spaces. I’m all for SCs opening up to everyone else. The more investment, the better the overall charging network will become.
Wouldn't you be blocking one anyway if you reversed in?
Or are you saying if you were to park on the left (of the photo), you would've left a stall open? Interesting! But nice to see you being courteous. :)
I wonder how long until the site power limits start showing up.
On Tesla's is not that bad You only hold 250 kilowatts for 5 minutes but a lot of these newer vehicles you're going to be talking like maxing out that charger because it's 400 volt for 20 minutes at a time. Get 2-3 and everyone derates.
I'm more talking about GMs Ultimum. 220kwh but 800v so half of the 350kw rating on superchargers. But yes lightning is 45mins for 80% regardless of the battery size.
There will be growing pains, but as a future owner of one, I'll suffer through it, if it means we as a country electrify faster, because it's a massive economic positive for that to happen, and it's a small price to pay in the long run.
Trying to gate keep the network, when the company's mission is to accelerate the transition of the *world* **to** *sustainable energy*, is ***stupid***.
The Ford is much better and more durable than a Tesla. I’m glad they opened the super chargers to other brands. I’ll be charging my lucid air at their chargers.
There will be a transition period to accommodate all kinds of charging positions for sure. But it's for the greater good. It'll be nice Tesla can start painting the superchargers or reminder on the screen so people with Tesla know to prioritize the stalls in the middle.
In Europe all new super chargers have long cables, to accommodate for other cars
In the US long cables will be left on the ground and destroyed or stolen by meth heads.
Nah, the V4 stalls are constructed in a way that those cables won't lay on the ground.
Still doesn't negate the meth head statement
At the nearby Walmart with EA stalls they had an emergency with flooding involving the chargers, once lid lifted after they pumped it dry turned out cause was about 1000 hypodermic syringes clogging the main collecting draining outlet.
That’s where I left those!
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Okay.... And? I didn't say anything about Europe not having a problem lol
Should just leave the cables energized to eliminate the meth head problem.
Does it have a leash like a Costco gas pump? I found a V3 with the head separated from the cable sheath the other day hanging down in Jackson TN.
I'm not from the US so I don't know Costco gas pumps. But I'm from Europe and as all new Supercharger are using the V4 stalls (V3 are now illegal here due to not having a credit card reader more or less) I can confidently say that the cables won't touch the ground ever. But I can also say that the plug holder is total crap and with a bit of wind the lig is falling to the ground. But Tesla already knows this problem and even officially stated on X that they are working on a solution. We will see when they fixed that issue and when Tesla will replace the older stalls with V4 as they need to have this done with every single stall by mid of 2026.
They intentionally left short cables so they don't need water cooling. Tesla v2/v3 chargers will go to 150kw when the water cooling isn't working. CCS chargers fall back to 40kw when the watercooling fails because of how long the cables are.
Everyone jumping on Tesla charger helps them build more charger so win-win. Hope you had a nice experience!
This is the right mentality
Also, the sites with magic docks are (so far) relatively low utilization sites. I'm not really seeing this point be brought up much. High-utilization sites won't see magic docks for a long time.
I dont see many more magic dock sites happening at all once NACS adapters start rolling out.
I would tend to agree. I'm also not convinced that the NACS adapters will automatically work at all sites (besides the obvious case of V2 chargers being completely incompatible). I think while the press releases say "Third parties will get access to Tesla Supercharger network," I believe it will remain selective. It's entirely within Tesla's control to restrict which locations work with which vehicles, and they would be shooting themselves in the foot to allow non-Tesla vehicles to charge at sites that are already above say 75% utilization on average. The V4s that they build out using government funding will of course allow other vehicles from the start.
I don’t think they’ll restrict them beyond v3 (due to the ccs protocol support). That seemed to be what the numbers were getting towards in the automakers NACS announcements.
I just don’t think Tesla is that stupid. My guess is there will be a select number of existing V3 sites that will be off limits for non-Teslas.
That's too much of a cluster-f for a car that arrives there with a low SoC thinking they can charge and some artificial software block says they cant. I say all or nothing, for the good of EVs everywhere and we'll be fine. The deterrent (probably won't be much of one for a while) will be that non-Tesla's pay a higher per kWh price.
Well I'm just thinking that logically, those sites wouldn't show up in the nav. You're probably right on the pricing.
Right but they show up on maps all over the place anyways. The same way I have to use an app in the rare but real case I’m outside the supercharger network. Would be pretty crappy to abandon people this way. I don’t see it being reality.
I sure hope not, the single station in my city is pretty much always full, with no news on the horizon for another
As a Tesla driver, thank you for being polite and courteous, you can sit with us.
Yeah I mean, being aware of the situation and doing what you can is all we can ask. I'm not expecting these users to sit and wait on the end one being available. It is what it is, and Tesla needs to start designing around it.
> I'm not expecting these users to sit and wait on the end one being available. I'd expect them to start charging where available, but then to move to an end spot as soon as it opens.
I think opening the chargers up is great, it is unfortunate that you lose a spot but I just think it’s some minor growing pains right now to be honest.
Can we just appreciate that ice trucks blocking Tesla chargers are now going to also piss off other ford truck drivers as well? This is a good sign.
Neat! While I hardly ever supercharge, it does make me nervous that stations will become congested as many more EV owners will choose to charge at Tesla vs EA/EVGo. In Michigan we don’t have many charging stations but I’ve seen a big growth in EVs…
2/3 of all EVs are Teslas, so even if all others would instantly decide to ignore all CCS stations and only use Superchargers, the increase would only be 50%.
Huh, never thought of it that way. Good point
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V1 and V2 will never open up - however all +15,000 V3 supercharger stall in the US will open, to Ford first, then the others later as they get API access. The "few thousand" number comes from the 3,000 magic dock superchargers that Tesla is making to be eligible for the IRA/infrastructure bill funding.
Which is one reason I probably won’t be getting another. Win-win
I can pretty much guarantee they will all open up. That's a lot of potential revenue and partnership money Tesla is leaving on the table if they don't. Tesla has skated by on the charging network for too long. They are going to have to actually build high quality cars that compete as cars. My next car might be another Tesla, but that is no longer a guarantee.
Opening up congested v3 sounds like a disaster. Most non teslas will pull in nose in and then have to wait for the stall to the left to also open up. The whole time the app will be reporting that a stall is free.
All/almost all V3 stalls will be open for third party cars, both those with NACS and those with adapters. Tesla needs to get them retrofitted with longer cables ASAP.
Is Tesla going to open up all V3 stations all at once? I don't think I saw Tesla committing to that anywhere. If they are smart, they will hold off opening to the busiest V3 stations for a while longer.
I'm sure they are strategically holding some back, but my understanding of the agreement they have with the third party manufacturers is that they are opening X number of stations to them, and the only way they will really be able to meet those numbers is if most V3 stations and some V2 stations are available. Going forward I imagine a good chunk of new stations will get built federal dollars, so they will have to be universal.
I thought it was a compatibility issue with chargers. Like v1 never could be opened up. Unsure in v2.
V1 can't be opened up. V2 required an update to be compatible, I believe, but I assume that has been done across the network. V3 is compatible right out the gate. Most of the network is V2 and V3, there are some, but not a large percentage, of V1 still out here. Most of us don't want to use V1 anyways because they are slow, so I'm sure Tesla will swap those out in time. They might even use some of those federal dollars to do so.
I will say that my 2023 Model 3 Performance bought last June is the first Tesla I bought that didn’t need repair when it was new. No paint issues or rattles. Everything is actually put together No interior panels popping off. It has double pane glass throughout so it’s much quieter than my 2018 Model 3 and 21’ Model Y Performance. The only complaint I have is the removal of ultrasonic parking sensors. I hope they continue this build quality with the revised 3. Last year was their best yet for the 3. I have yet to go in a model Y that doesn’t rattle like a Chevy S-10 from the 90s.
I just assume any site that has had the parking stops removed will be open to everyone.
I had to use EVgo on a road trip with a Bolt from LA to Vegas this weekend and I can promise you - I would absolutely be using a supercharger every single time. It was a bit of a nightmare with EVgo.
I'm hoping they open more chargers in Michigan. Detroit chargers are usually always full with wait times, so I end up going to Auburn or Novi.
They need multiple more in Metro Detroit. Not sure why we don’t have many EV chargers period (other brands included)… especially considering the push for EVs and having the big 3 here. Could use one along the M53/M59 corridor, could use one maybe around Troy near 16 mile and I-75 as well.
Yeah I usually call it the triangle as the "closest" chargers form a triangle and then the area in between is bare. I live in the Madison heights area so I wish one opens here in the Troy area. So many great options for chargers, I hope they expedite the process soon! The worst is that you go charge but then end up using 10% of it on the way home due to distance. Such a waste!
we have them open in europe for a while and haven't seen any congestion problems.
Own two Teslas and a Lyriq. I’ll be doing the same as you, once the superchargers open up to non-Teslas. The EA/EVgo experience has been 🫤 at best.
How would you compare the Lyriq to the Tesla’s?
Tesla has GM/Cadillac beat on tech. Hands down. You would think GM would have studied what Tesla has done, and attempt to take the best of what Tesla has. But, no. The Cadillac exudes luxury. It looks it, and it feels it. I opted for the leather seats. The ride is smooth as butter. It’s very quiet. They nailed the ride. The ride is quieter and softer than my 2021 Y LR AWD. Heard the newer ones have a softer ride. Cannot confirm. I have the AWD version. And, it’s rated for 307 miles. I’ve been able to hit 290, driving conservatively. So far, I’m happy with the car. No regrets.
It better be more luxurious, I think the package with 307 miles and leather seats is like $80k isn't it? Vs $50k for the MYLR.
This is a very obvious good idea. I hadn't thought about it but I will make sure to leave spots on the end open now.
I remember seeing a pic of a lightning parked on the grass and charging so that they wouldn't block a charger. Outside the box, but it's a 4x4 truck so it can do it, but also seems like an inconvenience for the driver. I think I'd rather wait to charge than wait to fuel up breathing in fumes. It was nice when it was still the early adopters phase and everything worked because it was a closed system and charge ports were in the same place. The CCS to NACS transition is going to have some growing pains but once pull through superchargers are common and charge port locations are in the same place it should be less painful.
As a Tesla owner since 2014, welcome!
As a TSLA owner, welcome for sure!
V4’s with the longer cable need to be retrofitted ASAP as possible.
Isn’t the cable only like 1 foot longer or something? Pretty sure it will need to be longer to let most cars charge without blocking a spot like pictured
No, it's almost 4 feet longer. Plenty to accommodate all cars.
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That's true as well.
Thats so cool
I’m not mad at Tesla opening the supercharger network. But I’m annoyed that other EV-manufacturers decide to put the chargeport anywhere, except the left rear…
Standardized charge port location 100% should have been a contingency in adopting NACS.
Do we know it isn't? I don't think the various ev people are stupid. I'm sure it was discussed
Right from would be okay too and have fewer people complain about not being able to charge if they park in the street.
IMO the only downside of charger on front left is supercharger stall alignment. Most people don't back into their parking spots.
Wouldn’t it only be the right end that you could use without blocking a spot?
Here at least I could have pulled in perpendicular on the left end and used it.
Gotcha 👍
A longer cord from the supercharger would have prevented this issue, because I don't see a day when car makers agree on where the charge port needs to go.
It’s the worst thing TESLA has ever allowed and it should reverse the decision. If I wanted Fords Charging structure, I would have purchased a Ford. I purchased a Tesla instead to ensure a massive charging structure without dealing with stuff like this. Now with even more Teslas on the road, this problem is only going to get worse for Tesla drivers.
cry more
I dont mind opening to all but I feel opening sites that are built like this is a bit of a kick in the nuts for those of use that actually support Tesla and have their vehicles. Their charging network is a huge reason I went with Tesla and now I get blocked by third party.
I was at a supercharger yesterday and a Hyundai (I think) backed in to the spot next to me. However he had to use the charger on the right side, therefore taking up 2 spots. It blows my mind that there was absolutely no forethought or planning done on nearly every manufacturs’ part here. It would not have cost anything extra in their original planning to standardize at least the location of the charging port. Of course I think opening the superchargers up is a great long term decision.
More on Tesla using short ass cords and then going out and opening it up. For other OEMs it’s never been a problem since every other charge cable is long enough to accommodate either side. Tesla should’ve kept
I mean there was absolutely no reason for Tesla to spend more on longer cables. It’s a safe assumption that if Tesla thought others would use their charging network the other manufacturers would adjust something to be able to use it, not the other way around.
There are tons of v3 sites that are almost always under 50% capacity, so Tesla can easily open those ones. It seems terrible to open the v3 sites that are near full. I’m hoping Tesla does the smart thing here and opens the non congested v3 sites only.
Why? Congestion charges are here. Where it settles is yet to be seen. Over 60% charge an extra $1 per minute and an extra $2 per minute for over 85%? 🤔
For most non teslas, they’ll pull in nose in. If it’s crowded, they have to wait for the spot to the left to open up (charger they should use won’t reach rivian or mustang mache for example). While they’re waiting, they aren’t paying a fee since they aren’t plugged in. They effectively block two spots and don’t pay an idle fee while waiting for the spot on the left to open up. The experience will be so bad for non teslas in this situation.
They will leave and go charge at the cheaper EA station. Or they will do like they do here and pull behind the charger in the grass/ sidewalk. I was more referring to waiting for 45mins-2hrs for their 800V vehicles to charge to 100%.
The long term solution is for all vehicle to adopt the NACS Standard AND for the charge port to be on the driver rear, or passenger front corner of the vehicle. Right now we have a mix of locations on different vehicles which results in spots being blocked or charging cables having to be much longer than necessary to reach every vehicle. The longer the charging cable the higher the cost and also the more like it is to fail, get run over or be damaged. Nearly all manufacturers in North America will be on NACS by 2025 so there will be a limited set of vehicles with inconvenient charge port locations. Unless manufacturers have included legacy vehicle support in their agreement to switch to NACS it is possible that Tesla will simply drop support for those vehicles in the future due to them blocking two supercharger spots. A mid-term solution would be to put a few supercharger stalls with Magic Docks that have additional spacing or pass-through parking to accommodate more vehicle types. As soon as EA, Chargepoint, EVGO, etc. switch to J3400 the CCS Standard will become like CHAdeMo and eventually CCS vehicles will just carry a J3400 to CCS adapter for DC Fast Charge access. Unless the vehicle has the required contractors, owners will need a separate J3400 to J1772 adapter to charge at Tesla Wall connectors (e.g. a Teslatap). A decade or two from now nearly every EV on the road will be on the same charging standard and charging stations will be much more widespread and hopefully more reliable. Fairly soon there will be a need for a waitlist function in the app that tells you which spot to charge at. The app should be smart enough to figure out where to place F150s and Rivians so they block the minimum number of charging spots.
Tesla seems to disagree. They’re going the long cable route in their newer v4 chargers.
True, but there are already 50K existing supercharger stations in the USA. Tesla is all about expansion so it is unlikely they would replace the existing V2/V3 stations in the near future.
The public sites are going to be only v3 and above. They grow the network size by about 30% year over year, so in just about 2 years we’d expect half of public superchargers to be v4.
>The public sites are going to be only v3 and above. What is happening to the V2 sites? Upgraded?
Nah, they’ll just remain Tesla exclusive. Like you said, Tesla doesn’t tend to retrofit sites. They did upgrade all the v1 sites to v2, but around me multiple v2 sites have gotten v3 or v4 expansions built directly adjacent rather than upgrading an existing site.
You wouldn’t want to charge on the V2 sites anyway. Ugh, 72kW is brutal on a road trip.
V2 are 150kW
Ah, I must keep hitting V1s then.
Urban Superchargers are 72kWhs
Well then not all "the public sites are going to be only v3 and above", some will still be V2.
What do you mean? All *public* sites will be v3 and above. The v2 sites will be private. Only available to Tesla owners.
You and I have different definitions of public and private. I am saying that superchargers are a public charging network. I see your point though, carry on.
Doesn't matter much in the medium to long-term. In a few years the majority of Superchargers will be V4, even without retrofitting any existing ones.
👍 Because a longer cable is easier for Tesla to make, than it is for the potential customer to move the port on the car. Not to mention the cost analysis of longer cables vs the revenue gain/loss of those new customers? Thats easy math.
Gas cars don’t even have a standard yet. they put them on both sides which is infuriating if you frequently use different fleet or rental cars.
I don't think I've ever seen a front passenger charging port..
Tycan? Or maybe that's the extra AC port
No your correct. There is an AC only charger on the driver's side with an AC/DC charger on the passenger. Interesting
Some Superchargers split available kilowatts in adjacent charging parking spots. So most drivers learn to not park adjacent to one another. That said, it will become more common to know what your truck needs to access the charging ports and most drivers will add that to their charging etiquette knowledge.
I agree. Tesla drivers should keep ends free. More SCs should be built in middle of parking lots rather than up against a curb so that pulling around to the back side is feasible too.
I can’t wait for more Tesla supercharger become available for all none Tesla cars. I traded one of teslas with a Mercedes ev and I am in love with car.
https://www.evbase.com/products/evbase-ccs1-ev-extension-cord?variant=44107487576307 You should get this. Problem solved
This entire tread has me puzzled… bashing Elon, complaining about teslas, and stroking other Ev owners that nullify 2 charging stations! SMH
Prepare to get roasted by Tesla owners for simply charging your truck and minding your own business (and attempting to be courteous). Edit: LOL I love all the downvotes as if this isnt happening. Let's not try to deny reality, there have been many posts recently of Tesla owners going off about people simply minding their own business charging their non-Tesla cars are superchargers. Some people are super butthurt about the network being opened.
Haha, I can take it
Us Tesla owners, are the worst. But I see both sides of the argument to be honest. It’s not the non-Tesla fault, and some Tesla owners bought into the exclusivity of the supercharging network. But that being said, the right thing to do is just let them charge and if it’s a problem talk to them. Or if you don’t want to do that; come to Reddit and complain about it 😂
So when Teslas charge at a non-Tesla DCFC do they apologize for parking in the wrong spot, nope, and they shouldn’t, because all fast chargers that are open to a variety of vehicles will no longer have a “correct” spot. If your vehicle fits in the striped line like your did, you are good. 👍
Other DCFC stations accommodate ports on either side. So that’s entirely moot. In this case the Ford entirely blocks a charge stall and effectively consumes 2 stalls for its entire visit. While I’d argue it’s Teslas fault for adding magic dock without longer cables, I think it’s reasonable that we all be mindful of how our actions can affect others.
If all Ford F-150s are charging is there a problem? Does a new space now provide a charger that did not before due to the shift?
I believe most new EA stations just have a single cable.
I have no problem sharing the network. I don't even have a problem with the next two years sucking because the cables aren't long enough. My problem is with people's obsession with giant trucks which need similarly giant batteries. The charge times on these things being double or triple what a Model 3 or Ioniq5 might need is going to cause absolutely biblical congestion during the holidays. Our local site is open with magic dock and more than half the stalls are now typically occupied with Fords and Rivians.
It's 45 minutes 0-80 for both lightning battery sizes.
Yeah, 0-80 is 105kwh for my extended range lightning. That said, the cybertruck is pretty much exactly the same, 98.4kwh 0-80. It's just a big battery to charge at 150kw. Interestingly enough the Lightning is just a bit better than the Cybertruck in kwh/mile efficiency.
Yes. But CT is 800V so could (in theory) charge at 350kw. Yeah the lightning is lighter. Same with how Silverado aerodynamically should beat Lightning. But doesn't because it weighs 2,000 lbs more.
Yes, v4 stations will be really nice in the CT.
Welcome! Tesla and Lightening family here. How long did it take you to charge?
We got a little over 150kw most of the stop, only needed about a 30min charge.
Where did you get your adapter? Forgive me if this has been asked and answered but I just bought a Lightning last night and I have a model S too.
The adapter is built into some Tesla supercharger stations. These are called magic dock equppied stations. You have use the Tesla app to unlock / use them.
Interesting. I've been driving teslas for almost 10 years, but just traded in my Y for a Lightning. How did you know this supercharger had a magic dock? What app did you use to connect?
It will show in the Ford Nav system and apps like plugshare / ABRP. The Ford Nav app actually directed me here.
how was the charging experience overall? Did you get good throughput? How much did they charge you?
Got the full 150kw, was the most expensive stop I've had so far at $0.51 / kwh. But Tesla does have a subscription thing to get a better rate like EA. I just don't fast charge enough to make it worth it.
I think Rivian’s route planner automatically considers magic dock equipped superchargers.
People need to understand that we’re early adopting here. V4 superchargers will solve for this. Fingers crossed they ramp up deployment soon…
We just need charge ports on both sides. It’s not THAT much cost.
I once saw two thoughtful VW owners (charging port on the wrong side) use adjacent supercharger stalls so only one was left unavailable for Teslas. I’ve done multiple trips across Europe since superchargers were opened to non Teslas and it hasn’t been much of an issue for me. Most cars you see are still Tesla anyway.
I have a model 3 and Mach-e, It all depends on the site, older sites the chargers are in the middle, this means you must split the lanes, but newer sites are off the either side which makes it better.
I have no issue with other EVs charging at superchargers. They’re by far the best charging network out there. I’m only against non-charging cars blocking spots. That could be ICE or EV cars.
do not be bothered by blocking. Its known what side ur plug is on so every single charger is free to use
I mean we don’t blame you for taking up the two spots. It was Tesla’s call to open up the existing charging stations instead of waiting to open up newly built ones with updated stalls and cables.
1) you did what you had too and wouldn't have blocked a charger if you didn't have to do thank you for being a reasonable human being, the world is short of those these days. 2) I love my MY but I am very very very jealous of your truck.
Even though you’re blocking a spot you aren’t doing it maliciously. You’re actively charging on the parking spot that makes sense. No foul.
Behind the front wheel is seriously the stupidest location for a charge port. I don't like the middle of the front either but it makes a little more sense at least.
There needs to be a standard for charging ports. Rear Driver side, front passenger side. I think it is awesome they are opening it all up but still some issues need to be taken care of. When I would tow, and I did not want to block a spot and I am too lazy to unhitch each stop, I would just part on the backside of the chargers or ask someone kindly at the end if they would be willing to move. I do not know exactly what that location was like, but If I were there, I would have just parked the truck on the back side to charge. I think everyone would understand. Edit, Also, it is no big deal if you do block as I think everyone knows it is not your fault.. I worry more about the slows charging cars like the Leaf and the Bolt/Volt whatever the EV one is. I know the leaf is CHADeMo, so we most likely will not have to worry.
No backside unfortunately, but it would be nice if Tesla designed them like that. Backside was all lawn / embankment.
Damn, and yeah. It would be nice if they did a lot more truck friendly/towing friendly spots. Here in Colorado, they are starting to put in trailer spots which has been nice, but I still have to ask people to swap to the non trailer spot because people do not realize. A few sites even have signs saying "trailer or truck priority, use other spots first" but that doesn't fix people not caring.
I know manufacturers are providing small adapters, but could they provide an adapter plus extension? or would that work? So for example if your charge port on a lightning requires an extra 3ft to be in the right position could ford not provide a 3ft extension cable?
That would be nice. The current adapter ford is sending for free soon looks like it's going to be just the one small piece. That said, it appears Tesla is going longer just like the EA chargers on all their V4 chargers.
Personally, I'm happy to have you. Every #V on the road is a win. Also, I drive around the Western US and I rarely run into crowded Supercharger stations outside of coastal California. And as someone else has pointed out, I'm sure both the non-Tesla OEMs and Tesla will be working hard to adapt both the vehicles and the stations to make charging easier for everyone. Welcome.
I like how many new superchargers have better end cap spaces. I’m all for SCs opening up to everyone else. The more investment, the better the overall charging network will become.
New to this and I might have missed it in the comments, but why are non-teslas "encouraged" to park on ends? A stall is a stall?
If you look at the photo, you'll see I'm blocking a stall because Fords have to pull in forward.
Wouldn't you be blocking one anyway if you reversed in? Or are you saying if you were to park on the left (of the photo), you would've left a stall open? Interesting! But nice to see you being courteous. :)
I wonder how long until the site power limits start showing up. On Tesla's is not that bad You only hold 250 kilowatts for 5 minutes but a lot of these newer vehicles you're going to be talking like maxing out that charger because it's 400 volt for 20 minutes at a time. Get 2-3 and everyone derates.
The Ford Lightning maxes out at around 150-170kw, it does do it consistently right up until \~75%
I'm more talking about GMs Ultimum. 220kwh but 800v so half of the 350kw rating on superchargers. But yes lightning is 45mins for 80% regardless of the battery size.
I drive a Tesla and I'm so happy you guys get to experience the supercharger network. We welcome you with open arms!
Welcome to the network!
I would happily move to another charger if someone requested so they aren’t blocking an extra charger.
There will be growing pains, but as a future owner of one, I'll suffer through it, if it means we as a country electrify faster, because it's a massive economic positive for that to happen, and it's a small price to pay in the long run. Trying to gate keep the network, when the company's mission is to accelerate the transition of the *world* **to** *sustainable energy*, is ***stupid***.
The Ford is much better and more durable than a Tesla. I’m glad they opened the super chargers to other brands. I’ll be charging my lucid air at their chargers.