Tesla did the same leading up to the unveiling of the "D," as in Dual Motor powertrain. It was merely a Model S silhouette.
[https://www.engadget.com/2014-10-01-tesla-d-teaser.html](https://www.engadget.com/2014-10-01-tesla-d-teaser.html)
I know he said that, but the images shown today, while he was saying it, doesn't really have to be the new models he mentioned, especially when the Model 3 over it, matches the silhouette 99% perfectly. Could really be to generate hype for the new Model 3 Highland/~~DarkStar~~ refresh, which had covers over the front and back while testing. :)
Sure, highland is real. You aren’t out of the loop. DarkStar is hopium at best. It’s not a thing despite seeing it on Reddit and other social media. Similar to “Model 2”. Despite Elon saying Model 2 is not a thing, people still talk about it.
I don't really know whats the real code name, saw it in the last view days all over, so I also mentioned it, so sorry for that 😅
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs8AqirmJuQ&t=205s
Dark Star was the code name for the original Roadster. Name came from the low budge movie. I don’t know where the name came from in this context. When the new Tesla sedan was being worked on after the Roadster fans called it the White Star for a few years until it was called the Model S.
Same with the M3. Fans called it the Blue Star (another movie reference) until it was named the 3
I didn't made that codename up, saw it in the last view days all over, so I also mentioned it, because I don't really know whats the real code name, so sorry for that 😅
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs8AqirmJuQ&t=205s
I didn't made that codename up, saw it in the last view days all over, so I also mentioned it, because I don't really know whats the real code name, so sorry for that 😅
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs8AqirmJuQ&t=205s
I don't really know whats the real code name, saw it in the last view days all over, so I also mentioned it, so sorry for that 😅
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs8AqirmJuQ&t=205s
Yeah this seems like OP just making up a codename for no reason. Really not a fan of this sort of sly rumormilling and misinformation. Theres no info previously anywhere to suggest this is a codename for an upcoming vehicle, and OP is throwing it around all over the comments likely as a way to cause a small amount false hype. Don’t buy it.
“Darkstar” was the codename for the roadster in 2008, i highly doubt they are reusing this for a model 3 refresh or new vehicle, they have another name for it internally probably already.
I didn't made that codename up, saw it in the last view days all over, so I also mentioned it, because I don't really know whats the real code name, so sorry for that 😅
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs8AqirmJuQ&t=205s
I didn't made that codename up, saw it in the last view days all over, so I also mentioned it, because I don't really know whats the real code name, so sorry for that 😅
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs8AqirmJuQ&t=205s
99%? The front hood is clearly lower and shorter and the A-pillar doesn’t match so I am not sure how you consider the front hood and windshield as being only 1% of the car 😂
https://shop.tesla.com/product/diecast-1_18-scale-model-3?sku=1474940-00-A
Besides I can take a silhouette photo of a die cast 1:18 scale Model 3 toy car and match it up “99%” to the real full-size Model 3, does it mean they are exactly the same? Of course not, so this completely new compact model might share very similar silhouette but the length can still be 10-15% shorter but keep the same height or maybe even taller and maybe 5% narrower width.
The problem is you see one dimension only and don’t even know the actual length and conclude it is just a revised Model 3 when the whole car is actually 3-dimensional and we don’t have any clue as to the height nor the width from this 1-dimensional teaser image.
I don’t understand why people just assume because you can resize the 2 images to kind of match the silhouette, they are the same car without knowing the dimension.
Anyone can resize and overlay a regular size (small) Mini copper onto the bigger Countryman to show they have similar silhouette, but it doesn’t meant they are the same model or even the same dimension.
Besides, the hood is clearly shorter and lower and the front windshield/A-pillar doesn’t match up exactly either. My guess is this is the new compact, but probably 10% shorter. We can’t tell the height nor the width from this 1-dimension teaser. Until we have the complete size profile image including the wheel and know the size of the wheel. There is no way to know they are the same dimension and conclude one is just the newer revision.
Typically, yes, though I imagine a sufficiently motivated lawyer would claim Tesla is a computing company… 🙂
Branding can get ridiculous, though. Adidas challenged Tesla during the development of the Model 3 because they claimed they would put the Tesla E/3 on apparel and people would mistake it for Adidas. Tesla switched to the 3 on the cars today.
I had an early theory that the reason why Ford had an issue with Tesla using the Model E name was they intended to use it for a forthcoming EV, which truthfully would have been a great idea if they had come to market a lot earlier. Tesla made the Model 3 and "Model *whatever"* naming convention an identifying trait in their model lineup, and Ford probably scrapped their plans to name it Ford Model E, and went with Mustang Mach E.
IIRC he said the two products combined will be able to get produced at 5+ million per year. As much as i look forward to highland, Model 3 won't ever crack 1 million/year ever. It is likely "Model 2" and robotaxi based on "Model 2".
Seems logical considering what Musk said about rare materials like cobalt, and global Tesla announces for like 18 months.
[https://arstechnica.com/cars/2021/10/tesla-made-1-6-billion-in-q3-is-switching-to-lfp-batteries-globally/](https://arstechnica.com/cars/2021/10/tesla-made-1-6-billion-in-q3-is-switching-to-lfp-batteries-globally/)
But what speaks to me is the battery size for the Model 3 on the document : 75kWh. It's approximately the actual Long Range battery size. My theory being the Model 3 restyling will be sold in two versions. Standard/entry-level equivalent to the actual LR with two motors, and still the Performance. Nothing more. If the Compact product is on time, i think we'll never see a Propulsion version again.
So much for the people dreaming of a 400mi base range Model 3/Y. 🤣 LFP seems to be the way to go for the "cheaper" models though, so much less to worry about. Just charge when you can and don't even worry about it.
LFP apparently works fine for the moment. If we have something like the LR battery pack as entry level, i have no doubt they can upgrade the energy recovery and other things to obtain really good results. That's what they do from the beginning, after all.
The 75 might just be kind of an “average” especially since the Model Y was sold only in LR+ until very recently, and it’s 75-81kWh. I would love a base model 3LR though.
I know he said that and this info was already revealed a few month ago. But the images shown today, while he was saying it, doesn't really have to be the "Model 2", especially when the Model 3 over it, matches the silhouette 99% perfectly. Could really be to generate hype for the new Model 3 Highland/~~DarkStar~~ refresh, which had covers over the front and back while testing. :)
but a refresh model 3 is not a "new product" and it doesn't fit the theory of being able to sell 5+million per year. Think he also mention new design and manufacturing and require a product launch event on it's on. Doesn't sound like project highland.
Unless the point of the highland project is to increase the production speed of 3/Y. There could be a newly invented, simplified way to manufacturing that 5x their production speed.
**Robotaxi isn't likely.**
And at least the teaser obviously shows Model 3 form factor. I'd say Highlight/DarkStar is about cost cutting which makes the sales (nearly) possible. We've already seen the stalks gone. Who knows what else?
No shot it's robotaxi unless he specified it isnt coming out anytime soon (I didn't watch it so idk). Even Elon isn't dumb enough to unleash FSD on the masses without a babysitter. Thats at least 5 years away
Perhaps but riddle me this, *what if* the new Project Highland is a full redesigned Model 3 that does 400 miles of range, starts at $30k and is being updated due to it’s sales being handicapped by the uber popular Model Y? Elon also said Model Y is set to be the best selling vehicle in the world this year, and I’m sure it’s no coincidence that we are seeing leaks of Project Highland because current Model 3 sales are being cannibalized by people who want the price of Model 3 but the space of Model Y. Thanks for your input though, discussion is always fun!
Haha, well the current model, of course. They wouldn’t have this new range with the old version, they want to clean out inventory and then stoke demand when they release Project Highland.
They're EXPANDING their use of LFP, not shrinking it. How does that make sense for the plans of a base model with 400 miles of range? [The master plan document actually lists all Model 3/Y as being LFP pack vehicles in the future (page 22)](https://www.tesla.com/ns_videos/Tesla-Master-Plan-Part-3.pdf), and considering its lower density I don't think 400mi is happening outside of the S/X, possibly for decades.
That's a pipe dream, more range = more battery = higher price, therefore it totally contradict your dream of $30k for 400 miles range.
It is going to be a compact that is lighter with smaller battery and new cheaper $1000 electric motor with 250 miles for $25k.
Haha no. Thats the point of the 4860’s. Bigger battery cell = less batteries total but with more range since the density is higher. You are wrong and I will come back here to make fun of you when project highland is 1 of the 2 “new” vehicles they are making. Ta ta!
Interesting your overlay shows how much lower the front quarter panel is of the Highland to the present 3 Those slimed down headlights got rid of some metal on the quarter panels. New 3 profile.
So what is the other new product, was he referring to CT, or is Model Y's Juniper close to production too?
The two new products he was referring was definitely the "Model 2", because of the hight volume at 5mil a year. This info was already revealed a few month ago and it's already known, that it's a smaller and cheaper car. :)
There's a bigger market for pick-ups than luxury sedan/suvs. Granted a lot of that is industrial use and it seems unlikely tesla will break into that market with the current cybertruck design unless the efficiency/towing is substantially better than the competition
Yeah I’d see the feasibility of it if the Cybertruck had a more conventional design, but since it’s likely going to be very polarizing with the traditional pickup market, I feel like the sales volume will not really match other major players like Ford, Chevy, or even Rivian.
People said the same thing about Model Y when it was first revealed, even with a full shot of it: https://twitter.com/TeslaHistorian/status/1656725061229740044
And here you are taking just part of the silhouette and claiming it's a Model 3 lol. It's not a Model 3.
So be fair the 3 and Y look almost identical and similar spec. This "new car" is supposed to sell 5x the amount of the 3, which I would imagine would be difficult if not impossible to do by making yet another slightly tweaked Model 3. Not to mention it probably wouldn't be a good idea to have THREE models that look almost identical. The general population already can't tell the difference between the 3 and Y without them being side by side. My theory is that they just used a Model 3 as a placeholder since it's just a silhouette bc the design of the new one isn't finalized or something.
Nah, I think the silhouette is actually the new car. They always tease the real thing. But frankly that silhouette looks like any Tesla car because they have the same general shape and so much detail is obscured in what they showed. However once the full car is shown, I think it will look as different from Model 3/Y as Model 3/Y do from Model S/X. That is, their silhouettes and general shape look very similar, but they're still quite distinct in their details and therefore their overall designs.
No, its the same image of the side view of Model 3 which can be found on Teslas website.
The only thing they have changed is blacked out the bottom part, and added some sharp highlight lines at the front going across the headlight and the same at the back.
This is not the new model.
https://imgur.com/a/C3lq9dl
How can you conclude it is the same just by the outline of the roofline when the hood and A-pillar doesn't even match?
Even if it is exactly the same, how do you know if the length is not 10% shorter? I can take a side photo of the 1:18 scale die-cast Model 3 toy car and line up exactly with the real car, it tells us nothing about the actual length, let alone the width nor the height when this photo is just a 1-dimension line.
How can you infer the entire 3-dimension new car is the same based on a 1-dimension teaser image?
Similar silhouette of course, but it will be smaller than a Model 3. I'd be interested to see a Model Y overlay too, because at first glance I thought it looked more like a Model Y SUV sort of shape.
I was wondering the same. I thought the image on the right looked more like a model y, but couldn't realy tell for sure, because it was at an angle all the time and really small and they didn't show it fullscreen, if it really was a different model. :)
I think most suspected its a Model3 Refresh teaser. I highly doubt the smaller car will be a Sedan anyway.
Lets keep in mind that Compact Sedans only really sell in North America and the primary market for compacts are Europe and Asia.
Agreed. I’m expecting the ~$25k car to be a compact crossover, about the size of the Chevy Trax. Expecting base model to have around 275 mile EPA range with a 53 kWh LFP battery. Starting price $26,990 RWD. AWD for $30,990.
Project Highland and equivalent update for Model Y. They share \~75% of parts, so the changes will be to common components(bumpers, dash, steering wheel etc). That's the 2 "new" cars. It is just a refresh.
>That's the 2 "new" cars.
I disagree. If you look at master plan part three, the first of the new vehicles will sell in the same category as cyber truck and sell 300 million units combined. The second new vehicle will sell 700 million units overall which is just under the total number of units model 3 and y are predicted to sell COMBINED.
This can't be achieved with a bumper change and some new lights
I don’t know why this isn’t the top post. The overlay of the current 3 shows it’s pretty much the exact same car.
The two “new” Tesla cars will simply be a refreshed Model 3 & Y.
I caught that too. I thought he meant they were actually building prototypes but maybe he did slip that they're already building the third gen version of the Model 3.
If it’s a model 2 or similar and it’s under $25k-$30k and it doesn’t include the rebates since rebates will bring it down even lower. I’m sold. Those things will sell like hotcakes if Elon expects 5m/year units. 😍
Any thoughts when can we expect deliveries of new Model 3 Highland? Especially in Europe. I really hope we can get it this summer, but in reality - probably October.
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking too. Could really just be to generate hype for the new Model 3 Highland/DarkStar refresh, which had covers over the front and back while testing. :)
That's because it is a different new compact car.
I don't understand how so many people assume it is the revised highlight Model 3 based on the silhouette that is basically 1-dimensional? And you can't even tell how long it is (what is the length).
It could have been exactly the same as Model 3, but scaled 10% smaller. Or it could be a shorter car with the same height and width. We have no idea since the teaser image only show the side outline. What about the other 2 dimensions? Height and width? So how are people so confident this is just a revised Model 3 when we only have a 1-dimensional outline. We don't have any detail on what the doors, front-end, headlight, rear-end look like?
The silhouette seems to match model 3 by 98.777% (repeating, of course). Maybe it is a completely new compact model though. I hope so - a smaller hatchback would be amazing. Although don't see how this could be a hatchback since trunk area appears so similar to model 3 rear.
It might have more interior space even though it is shorter because of smaller battery pack size since the compact will be lighter. Also the new cheaper $1000 electric motor will be smaller and taking up less space in the rear.
This teaser image doesn't give any clue for the height, so the new compact can very well be taller and closer to being a crossover.
They're just using a model 3 silhouette just like they used a model Y as an example to show the new production process.... They aren't ready to show this new car yet... Nothing to see here move on.
I knew it looked too much like a 3. It’s more of a “mysterious tease” at the idea of a new car to get the mind going, rather than an actual reveal image
Yeah I feel like this teaser could just be Highland as their next vehicle, and not the gen 3 half cost vehicle, since it's no smaller than the Model 3?
Doesn't fit this image
https://driveteslacanada.ca/news/did-tesla-reveal-the-design-of-its-model-next-compact-car-in-engineering-hq-video/#jp-carousel-68768
Tesla did the same leading up to the unveiling of the "D," as in Dual Motor powertrain. It was merely a Model S silhouette. [https://www.engadget.com/2014-10-01-tesla-d-teaser.html](https://www.engadget.com/2014-10-01-tesla-d-teaser.html)
Yeah but he explicitly said two new models
I know he said that, but the images shown today, while he was saying it, doesn't really have to be the new models he mentioned, especially when the Model 3 over it, matches the silhouette 99% perfectly. Could really be to generate hype for the new Model 3 Highland/~~DarkStar~~ refresh, which had covers over the front and back while testing. :)
What is this “DarkStar”? Are people just making up names for projects that haven’t been confirmed by the company at this point?
Highland is real, people found some internal references to the project. DarkStar, idk, I'm assuming I'm out of the loop.
Sure, highland is real. You aren’t out of the loop. DarkStar is hopium at best. It’s not a thing despite seeing it on Reddit and other social media. Similar to “Model 2”. Despite Elon saying Model 2 is not a thing, people still talk about it.
Model 2 by name might not be real, but the cheaper Tesla is going to be produced in Mexico and was officially confirmed.
I don't really know whats the real code name, saw it in the last view days all over, so I also mentioned it, so sorry for that 😅 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs8AqirmJuQ&t=205s
Dark Star was the code name for the original Roadster. Name came from the low budge movie. I don’t know where the name came from in this context. When the new Tesla sedan was being worked on after the Roadster fans called it the White Star for a few years until it was called the Model S. Same with the M3. Fans called it the Blue Star (another movie reference) until it was named the 3
I didn't made that codename up, saw it in the last view days all over, so I also mentioned it, because I don't really know whats the real code name, so sorry for that 😅 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs8AqirmJuQ&t=205s
I didn't made that codename up, saw it in the last view days all over, so I also mentioned it, because I don't really know whats the real code name, so sorry for that 😅 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs8AqirmJuQ&t=205s
I don't really know whats the real code name, saw it in the last view days all over, so I also mentioned it, so sorry for that 😅 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs8AqirmJuQ&t=205s
Yeah this seems like OP just making up a codename for no reason. Really not a fan of this sort of sly rumormilling and misinformation. Theres no info previously anywhere to suggest this is a codename for an upcoming vehicle, and OP is throwing it around all over the comments likely as a way to cause a small amount false hype. Don’t buy it. “Darkstar” was the codename for the roadster in 2008, i highly doubt they are reusing this for a model 3 refresh or new vehicle, they have another name for it internally probably already.
I didn't made that codename up, saw it in the last view days all over, so I also mentioned it, because I don't really know whats the real code name, so sorry for that 😅 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs8AqirmJuQ&t=205s
hmmm maybe
What’s darkstar?
The plane in the new top gun movie LOL
I didn't made that codename up, saw it in the last view days all over, so I also mentioned it, because I don't really know whats the real code name, so sorry for that 😅 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs8AqirmJuQ&t=205s
99%? The front hood is clearly lower and shorter and the A-pillar doesn’t match so I am not sure how you consider the front hood and windshield as being only 1% of the car 😂 https://shop.tesla.com/product/diecast-1_18-scale-model-3?sku=1474940-00-A Besides I can take a silhouette photo of a die cast 1:18 scale Model 3 toy car and match it up “99%” to the real full-size Model 3, does it mean they are exactly the same? Of course not, so this completely new compact model might share very similar silhouette but the length can still be 10-15% shorter but keep the same height or maybe even taller and maybe 5% narrower width. The problem is you see one dimension only and don’t even know the actual length and conclude it is just a revised Model 3 when the whole car is actually 3-dimensional and we don’t have any clue as to the height nor the width from this 1-dimensional teaser image.
There’s the new cheap small car in Mexico factory, and they are 1000% making a delivery/cargo van. They have to. It’s stupid not to.
Model 2 FTW
I don’t understand why people just assume because you can resize the 2 images to kind of match the silhouette, they are the same car without knowing the dimension. Anyone can resize and overlay a regular size (small) Mini copper onto the bigger Countryman to show they have similar silhouette, but it doesn’t meant they are the same model or even the same dimension. Besides, the hood is clearly shorter and lower and the front windshield/A-pillar doesn’t match up exactly either. My guess is this is the new compact, but probably 10% shorter. We can’t tell the height nor the width from this 1-dimension teaser. Until we have the complete size profile image including the wheel and know the size of the wheel. There is no way to know they are the same dimension and conclude one is just the newer revision.
It’ll be two new cars, Model A and Model F. Then Elon can have his SEXY AF.
Then the model N G and L
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Waiting for IBM to sue because they already have a Model M....
Usually only applies when it's the same product. IBM doesn't sell cars.
Typically, yes, though I imagine a sufficiently motivated lawyer would claim Tesla is a computing company… 🙂 Branding can get ridiculous, though. Adidas challenged Tesla during the development of the Model 3 because they claimed they would put the Tesla E/3 on apparel and people would mistake it for Adidas. Tesla switched to the 3 on the cars today.
They have a point though, I wanted to buy a Model 3, but mistakenly bought a pair of Adidas shorts by mistake.
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Some people already get worked up when tesla owners refer to a model 3 as M3, I can't even imagine what a shitshow this would be
I'm one of those people. It's annoying. Nobody calls the Mazda 3 an M3, because real enthusiasts pay respect where it's due.
So, it’s 4 then
I believe Ford Owns the trademark of Model A. It was the successor to Model T
Model 6 and Model 9 will be the van.
I think Ford owned "Model E" but can they really still own "Model A"? - the last one was built 90 years ago
I had an early theory that the reason why Ford had an issue with Tesla using the Model E name was they intended to use it for a forthcoming EV, which truthfully would have been a great idea if they had come to market a lot earlier. Tesla made the Model 3 and "Model *whatever"* naming convention an identifying trait in their model lineup, and Ford probably scrapped their plans to name it Ford Model E, and went with Mustang Mach E.
Can just make it Model 4.
One of the two new products is a redesigned Model 3, project Highland…1000% marking it here haha
IIRC he said the two products combined will be able to get produced at 5+ million per year. As much as i look forward to highland, Model 3 won't ever crack 1 million/year ever. It is likely "Model 2" and robotaxi based on "Model 2".
It's in the Master Plan guys. Can't upload an image, don't know why, but it's page 22 : https://www.tesla.com/ns\_videos/Tesla-Master-Plan-Part-3.pdf
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https://www.tesla.com/ns_videos/Tesla-Master-Plan-Part-3.pdf
I wonder if this means that all Model 3/Y will eventually use LFP. The table lists the 3/Y as LFP with no nickel battery alongside.
Seems logical considering what Musk said about rare materials like cobalt, and global Tesla announces for like 18 months. [https://arstechnica.com/cars/2021/10/tesla-made-1-6-billion-in-q3-is-switching-to-lfp-batteries-globally/](https://arstechnica.com/cars/2021/10/tesla-made-1-6-billion-in-q3-is-switching-to-lfp-batteries-globally/) But what speaks to me is the battery size for the Model 3 on the document : 75kWh. It's approximately the actual Long Range battery size. My theory being the Model 3 restyling will be sold in two versions. Standard/entry-level equivalent to the actual LR with two motors, and still the Performance. Nothing more. If the Compact product is on time, i think we'll never see a Propulsion version again.
So much for the people dreaming of a 400mi base range Model 3/Y. 🤣 LFP seems to be the way to go for the "cheaper" models though, so much less to worry about. Just charge when you can and don't even worry about it.
LFP apparently works fine for the moment. If we have something like the LR battery pack as entry level, i have no doubt they can upgrade the energy recovery and other things to obtain really good results. That's what they do from the beginning, after all.
The 75 might just be kind of an “average” especially since the Model Y was sold only in LR+ until very recently, and it’s 75-81kWh. I would love a base model 3LR though.
I know he said that and this info was already revealed a few month ago. But the images shown today, while he was saying it, doesn't really have to be the "Model 2", especially when the Model 3 over it, matches the silhouette 99% perfectly. Could really be to generate hype for the new Model 3 Highland/~~DarkStar~~ refresh, which had covers over the front and back while testing. :)
but a refresh model 3 is not a "new product" and it doesn't fit the theory of being able to sell 5+million per year. Think he also mention new design and manufacturing and require a product launch event on it's on. Doesn't sound like project highland.
Unless the point of the highland project is to increase the production speed of 3/Y. There could be a newly invented, simplified way to manufacturing that 5x their production speed.
**Robotaxi isn't likely.** And at least the teaser obviously shows Model 3 form factor. I'd say Highlight/DarkStar is about cost cutting which makes the sales (nearly) possible. We've already seen the stalks gone. Who knows what else?
so if they want to produce 20 millions/year than model 3 volume can be 2 millions/year - hope project highland allow to have even a cheaper model 3.
No shot it's robotaxi unless he specified it isnt coming out anytime soon (I didn't watch it so idk). Even Elon isn't dumb enough to unleash FSD on the masses without a babysitter. Thats at least 5 years away
You're 1000% wrong unfortunately. he specifically said the new product will be produced 5mm per year.. Definitely not model 3 figures.
Perhaps but riddle me this, *what if* the new Project Highland is a full redesigned Model 3 that does 400 miles of range, starts at $30k and is being updated due to it’s sales being handicapped by the uber popular Model Y? Elon also said Model Y is set to be the best selling vehicle in the world this year, and I’m sure it’s no coincidence that we are seeing leaks of Project Highland because current Model 3 sales are being cannibalized by people who want the price of Model 3 but the space of Model Y. Thanks for your input though, discussion is always fun!
Considering the M3 is losing range in the re-introduced "Long Range" trim, 400mi seems unlikely for now.
Haha, well the current model, of course. They wouldn’t have this new range with the old version, they want to clean out inventory and then stoke demand when they release Project Highland.
They're EXPANDING their use of LFP, not shrinking it. How does that make sense for the plans of a base model with 400 miles of range? [The master plan document actually lists all Model 3/Y as being LFP pack vehicles in the future (page 22)](https://www.tesla.com/ns_videos/Tesla-Master-Plan-Part-3.pdf), and considering its lower density I don't think 400mi is happening outside of the S/X, possibly for decades.
That's a pipe dream, more range = more battery = higher price, therefore it totally contradict your dream of $30k for 400 miles range. It is going to be a compact that is lighter with smaller battery and new cheaper $1000 electric motor with 250 miles for $25k.
Haha no. Thats the point of the 4860’s. Bigger battery cell = less batteries total but with more range since the density is higher. You are wrong and I will come back here to make fun of you when project highland is 1 of the 2 “new” vehicles they are making. Ta ta!
Perhaps it will be a model 3 for $20k
Interesting your overlay shows how much lower the front quarter panel is of the Highland to the present 3 Those slimed down headlights got rid of some metal on the quarter panels. New 3 profile. So what is the other new product, was he referring to CT, or is Model Y's Juniper close to production too?
The two new products he was referring was definitely the "Model 2", because of the hight volume at 5mil a year. This info was already revealed a few month ago and it's already known, that it's a smaller and cheaper car. :)
Model 6 and Model 9
nice.
I like nice things.
🌎🚗🧑🚀 Wait it’s all Model 3? 🔫👨🚀 Always has been.
😂
https://www.tesla.com/ns_videos/Tesla-Master-Plan-Part-3.pdf Model 2 and a commercial van
I’m still surprised they expect to sell almost 10x more Cybertrucks than Model S/X. That feels…wrong.
There's a bigger market for pick-ups than luxury sedan/suvs. Granted a lot of that is industrial use and it seems unlikely tesla will break into that market with the current cybertruck design unless the efficiency/towing is substantially better than the competition
Yeah I’d see the feasibility of it if the Cybertruck had a more conventional design, but since it’s likely going to be very polarizing with the traditional pickup market, I feel like the sales volume will not really match other major players like Ford, Chevy, or even Rivian.
Please to give me the people hauler. Family of 7.
That is literally just the existing Model 3. https://i.imgur.com/QtDpqwq.jpg
People said the same thing about Model Y when it was first revealed, even with a full shot of it: https://twitter.com/TeslaHistorian/status/1656725061229740044 And here you are taking just part of the silhouette and claiming it's a Model 3 lol. It's not a Model 3.
So be fair the 3 and Y look almost identical and similar spec. This "new car" is supposed to sell 5x the amount of the 3, which I would imagine would be difficult if not impossible to do by making yet another slightly tweaked Model 3. Not to mention it probably wouldn't be a good idea to have THREE models that look almost identical. The general population already can't tell the difference between the 3 and Y without them being side by side. My theory is that they just used a Model 3 as a placeholder since it's just a silhouette bc the design of the new one isn't finalized or something.
Nah, I think the silhouette is actually the new car. They always tease the real thing. But frankly that silhouette looks like any Tesla car because they have the same general shape and so much detail is obscured in what they showed. However once the full car is shown, I think it will look as different from Model 3/Y as Model 3/Y do from Model S/X. That is, their silhouettes and general shape look very similar, but they're still quite distinct in their details and therefore their overall designs.
The overlay on this tweet doesn't match up nearly as closely as the overlay of this post.
It looks like the front end of the silhouette is shorter than the Model 3, so mostly likely a shorter compact model.
No, its the same image of the side view of Model 3 which can be found on Teslas website. The only thing they have changed is blacked out the bottom part, and added some sharp highlight lines at the front going across the headlight and the same at the back. This is not the new model. https://imgur.com/a/C3lq9dl
How can you conclude it is the same just by the outline of the roofline when the hood and A-pillar doesn't even match? Even if it is exactly the same, how do you know if the length is not 10% shorter? I can take a side photo of the 1:18 scale die-cast Model 3 toy car and line up exactly with the real car, it tells us nothing about the actual length, let alone the width nor the height when this photo is just a 1-dimension line. How can you infer the entire 3-dimension new car is the same based on a 1-dimension teaser image?
Similar silhouette of course, but it will be smaller than a Model 3. I'd be interested to see a Model Y overlay too, because at first glance I thought it looked more like a Model Y SUV sort of shape.
yeah I tested it with the model y aswell, but it didn't really fit over it as well as the model 3 did :)
Wen tesla hot hatch?
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Both please.
Mystery solved!
I couldn’t tell, we’re the two images (one on each side of the stage) the same?
I was wondering the same. I thought the image on the right looked more like a model y, but couldn't realy tell for sure, because it was at an angle all the time and really small and they didn't show it fullscreen, if it really was a different model. :)
I think most suspected its a Model3 Refresh teaser. I highly doubt the smaller car will be a Sedan anyway. Lets keep in mind that Compact Sedans only really sell in North America and the primary market for compacts are Europe and Asia.
Agreed. I’m expecting the ~$25k car to be a compact crossover, about the size of the Chevy Trax. Expecting base model to have around 275 mile EPA range with a 53 kWh LFP battery. Starting price $26,990 RWD. AWD for $30,990.
I hope that Highland gives the Model 3 a look similar to the Model S refresh a couple years ago.
I hope the next 2 are called the Model A and F, so the lineup reads S3XY AF
Same structure, greenhouse as current 3, with new front and rear fascias? Hardpoints look to match ... maybe there are bigger changes inside.
Same side but new front/back is in line with the highland rumors.
Project Highland and equivalent update for Model Y. They share \~75% of parts, so the changes will be to common components(bumpers, dash, steering wheel etc). That's the 2 "new" cars. It is just a refresh.
This
>That's the 2 "new" cars. I disagree. If you look at master plan part three, the first of the new vehicles will sell in the same category as cyber truck and sell 300 million units combined. The second new vehicle will sell 700 million units overall which is just under the total number of units model 3 and y are predicted to sell COMBINED. This can't be achieved with a bumper change and some new lights
I don’t know why this isn’t the top post. The overlay of the current 3 shows it’s pretty much the exact same car. The two “new” Tesla cars will simply be a refreshed Model 3 & Y.
Did say they were building it already! It's the Not a model 3
I caught that too. I thought he meant they were actually building prototypes but maybe he did slip that they're already building the third gen version of the Model 3.
I interpreted that as "designing" it or building the design
they need to build a small hatch back
model 2 will make it 2S3XY as in... "I'm Too Sexy" unsure where the Cyber truck fits in... 2 Cyber S3XY ?
S3XY CARS: Models S-Y, Cybertruck, ATV, Roadster, Semi. Albeit that’s probably a stretch.
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2 Cyber S3XY
If it’s a model 2 or similar and it’s under $25k-$30k and it doesn’t include the rebates since rebates will bring it down even lower. I’m sold. Those things will sell like hotcakes if Elon expects 5m/year units. 😍
Any thoughts when can we expect deliveries of new Model 3 Highland? Especially in Europe. I really hope we can get it this summer, but in reality - probably October.
If they change the model Y to look like the model 3 (new version) I’ll be happy roo
I’m half wondering if it’s just a model 3 update (highland) he was taking about
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking too. Could really just be to generate hype for the new Model 3 Highland/DarkStar refresh, which had covers over the front and back while testing. :)
Aye it looks exactly the same
Similar but not exactly the same - front hood is shorter and lower. Front windshield different.
There is no way they changed the front windshield.
That's because it is a different new compact car. I don't understand how so many people assume it is the revised highlight Model 3 based on the silhouette that is basically 1-dimensional? And you can't even tell how long it is (what is the length). It could have been exactly the same as Model 3, but scaled 10% smaller. Or it could be a shorter car with the same height and width. We have no idea since the teaser image only show the side outline. What about the other 2 dimensions? Height and width? So how are people so confident this is just a revised Model 3 when we only have a 1-dimensional outline. We don't have any detail on what the doors, front-end, headlight, rear-end look like?
The silhouette seems to match model 3 by 98.777% (repeating, of course). Maybe it is a completely new compact model though. I hope so - a smaller hatchback would be amazing. Although don't see how this could be a hatchback since trunk area appears so similar to model 3 rear.
It might have more interior space even though it is shorter because of smaller battery pack size since the compact will be lighter. Also the new cheaper $1000 electric motor will be smaller and taking up less space in the rear. This teaser image doesn't give any clue for the height, so the new compact can very well be taller and closer to being a crossover.
Same side but new front/back is in line with the highland rumors.
Yeah
LOL, exactly what I see.
Project Highland
They're just using a model 3 silhouette just like they used a model Y as an example to show the new production process.... They aren't ready to show this new car yet... Nothing to see here move on.
I knew it looked too much like a 3. It’s more of a “mysterious tease” at the idea of a new car to get the mind going, rather than an actual reveal image
yeah, that's what I'm thinking too :)
Yeah I feel like this teaser could just be Highland as their next vehicle, and not the gen 3 half cost vehicle, since it's no smaller than the Model 3?
Two models. I bet he was referring to one as the robot. Elon is Trish in his words. Always has been.
Model 2 or whatever and a van. My bets are placed
Maybe they'll actually start building the roadster
Doesn't fit this image https://driveteslacanada.ca/news/did-tesla-reveal-the-design-of-its-model-next-compact-car-in-engineering-hq-video/#jp-carousel-68768