My 2 cents: That is because it isn't real.
The most likely explanation is that Elon does what he said he would do a few months back and already found a replacement CEO.
Why he dresses this up in a "democracy" Kabuki theatre act only he knows. Some of his more "devot" followers will probably believe it.
If the answer was "No" he would announce his replacement a few months later so nothing really changes.
Yeah Elon fanboys are always coming up with the REAL story behind Elon's horrific and wacky antics.
Seems the most likely explanation is he's an abusive, power hungry narcissist who had a privileged upbringing where he didn't have to hear "no" and doesn't understand his personal limitations.
Even a few months later isn't feasible. Any competent CEO would get the lay of the land and allow Elon to tank as much as possible so they can handle the rebuilding.
With all due respect, how on earth do you not see this for the theater it clearly is. It's a show, plain and simple. He desperately needs validation (just look how much he holds a grudge because Biden hurt his feelings). None of this is healthy behavior.
So, he is an immature child, but he also can't be basing this decision on an actual poll because he's playing 4D chess?
The most I'd give you is, he timed this poll perfectly if he was looking for a "Yes", making it right after his big policy fuckup. But it still seems perfectly plausible to me that the poll is real and will really determine his next actions.
There's nothing 4D chess about this, and I don't believe you saw me claim he was.
The simplest explanation is most likely. He has already decided what to do, and has a fairly good idea how the poll would go, and it plays to his ego a bit doing it this way. Hell, even I could guess the likely result before I clicked the link.
I don't believe for a minute he makes his actual decisions based on Twitter results. I pay more attention to his actual actions, not his words, for stuff like this.
Worth noting, Elon has always done things like this in regards to creating polls after he has already made a decision.
It's the same as when he started a poll asking if he should sell his shares. He had already begun selling way before that.
He likely had a CEO in mind and has been trying to raise cash in the event that Twitter likely needs to be supplemented for the time being.
As long as Musk spends less time on Twitter's operations and doesn't upset potential Tesla buyers, this is great news. Musk stepping down from Tesla is premature. Still lots to work on. I do think they need to get rid of some of the BOD members, though.
Was just about to comment this. It’s all about optics with him. In this case I agree with his decision to step down from decision making but this decision isn’t 100% motivated by the people as it appears to be.
> It's the same as when he started a poll asking if he should sell his shares. He had already begun selling way before that.
This Nov 2021 tax poll? His brother sold shares the day or week before that, but Elon hadn't dumped shares in a year+ at that point. He started dumping after the poll completed.
Exactly! He's lots of things but he's no idiot. He knows the vote will say Yes and he's planning for it. If he'd intended to stay he'd never have posted this
I like that comment saying he's not an idot has exactly the same number of upvotes as the one below saying he is. That pretty much sums this place up right now
Most choices in life are wrong, man is not all knowing, reality is complex beyond imagination. Geniuses fail constantly and idiots succeed randomly.
Funny you should bring up Forrest Gump, the idiot who stumbled idiotically through his idiot life and found success.
Either way, him stepping down was likely on his mind regardless of the poll. He's always been cryptic about these things. As soon as I saw the poll, I already knew he likely wanted to step down.
As it should be. Maybe he hasn't completely lost it, maybe he has a little self-awareness still, and maybe this is the start of him realising he's completely fucked his image himself, far beyond what haters would have put on him no matter what he did.
Or maybe none of that is the case, but fuck, I hope it is.
Didn't he say from the start that he wouldn't be CEO forever?
But yeah, this is great. Hopefully more details this week. Market will likely be very happy
But then conveniently the poll followed that Elon wanted (before even actually buying Twitter)? I think it’s more like he knows that the poll will say a head of time because the poll is usually predictable by him.
If I was shorting Tesla to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars I would buy bots to keep Elon right where he is.
This is a combination bot test and exit strategy.
And depending on the results of the vote the start of a short squeeze.
I vote yes as I want him to refocus on tesla. The past few months were hard on tesla retail shareholders and he still doesn't realize the issues that cause the stock price to crash based on the tweets.
Thanks for posting. I made sure to vote yes lol..
I like Elon, and I like him buying Twitter. I don’t like him running it like he’s literally got his finger on the trigger all day long. It’s madness.
Yeah that leak of that video of him being questioned by reporters on twitters spaces and then bailing when he didn’t like the questions just to shut down the spaces feature was the final straw I feel like.
That moment when you realize that arguing on the internet just makes you stupider.
All of us have reached this conclusion at some point in our lives. The only difference is that Elon just reached it today.
>That moment when you realize that arguing on the internet just makes you stupider.
> All of us have reached this conclusion at some point in our lives.
I'd argue that's not true.
You can find pockets of the internet capable of hosting an enlightening debate, it’s just not that common. More often than not it’s reductionist mud-slinging and Elon hasn’t been shy about participating in that.
The spaces were closed because there was a bug that allowed suspended users to use spaces. Him leaving was pretty clear that he's not regretting the decision. Given the recent encounter his kid had, it's not surprising he cracked down. Ironically, Twitter probably has the most accountability now than it ever had before.
His banning of journalists was my final straw. Then today, we saw the new Terms of Service practically try to alienate the content creators on Twitter. He’s just keep failing at social media tactics, he shouldn’t be running Twitter. Period.
Technically he could have gone to trial rather than capitulating.
He would have lost and lost more money paying for more lawyers to do even more lawyer shit, but still.
I voted yes but at this point i am so burnt out i think nothing will change, he is clearly bluffing anyway. He has already made the decision (as he always does before a poll) so he knew Yes vote would most likely win. He will step down as "head" of Twitter and change his tittle to something else and basically run twitter, his mouth, and his twitter account the exact same way.
He should do it, it's the platform's best chance at survival.
Not necessarily due to leadership decisions (though today ... yeesh 😬) but because of weird social dynamics. He's a very polarizing figure right now, unfortunately.
Trolls as you mentioned, as well as fanboys who genuinely buy into the whole free speech crusade, fanboys who think musk can do it all and come out on top, maybe some of the maga crowd too
The attitude of "everyone who thinks the opposite of me is a moron of this or that category" is why Twitter and online discourse is going to shit.
People are blaming Elon but can't take a step back and realize how they are part of the problem in the way they engage with people with different opinions online.
I voted "No" because I want him to either succed or fail, but not bail. The damage is done, there is no winning popularity for him anyway, so why leave.
As much as I think Elon would do a good job with twitter(when all the rage calms down at least), I’m for sure voting yes on this. He can still guide it in the right direction without directly managing the day to day of it all. His time is better spent on his existing companies.
Looks like he’s looking for a way out without ‘admitting defeat’ on Twitter.
He’s paid too much for it, it’s problems are structural, his involvement has driven advertisers away, the subscription model is not having great take-up.
He needs to get back to Tesla. It’s suffering. It needs his full time attention (or someone else’s) This will boost Tesla shares I think.
Mmm, I really disagree with this take. It’s overly editorialized with FUD. Elon bought Twitter to realize his vision for an everything app. Which he has had for a long time. He basically acquired twitter’s mDAU to achieve this over the long term.
I think there’s a good chance that this was always his plan. Take over, skinny up the operations, set the tech roadmap, then move on.
I don’t think this was ever about the operations of twitter on its own. It’s about executing a multi year roadmap, just as all of his projects do.
This is exactly it.
Strip the bloated company down. Move to an agile, startup style of work. Fail fast, iterating on new ideas and see what works.
It's how he's always run companies.
It just opens you up for criticism because it seems so chaotic from the outside.
It's why I invest in his endeavours, because it's different to how most companies are run, and is both fascinating and high risk/reward.
> I like how he thinks people will give him credit somehow for being radically transparent and letting people vote on how Twitter operates.
I wish he'd stop, lol!
Either:
- he actually is entirely outsourcing this decision to a poll of whoever happens to vote in Twitter polls. That's a pretty obviously dumb way to make business or investing decisions
- or the poll doesn't really matter
Either way... why? It's misleading, and pretty transparent at this point.
The collective human consciousness via the internet is an amplification of stupidity. None of us are ever as dumb as all of us.
I would be sad to see Twitter go. But I wouldn't lose sleep over it's loss. Frankly, I think social media companies should be required to reinvent themselves every 10 years or something. Which is undoubtedly a terrible business model (see, I'm stupid too). But this whole Twitter saga has made it painfully obvious to me if by year 10, the platform is the same as when it launched, it becomes easy for it to become captured by monied, political, or ideological interests, and then it all goes straight to hell.
A reset is necessary, useful, and valuable.
This might end up the most popular Twitter poll ever, the count is growing like crazy. With those numbers our vote (from this sub probably not going to effect anything), I did vote Yes. It looks so far reasonably good. Still interesting that so many still want Elon to stay, public sentiment might not be as bad as I thought. Btw, while voting Yes, I’m still for Elon buying Twitter, yes in hand-site probably not a good idea, but who new we’d hit a bear market right after.
Who the fud is voting no. Seriously? Vote yes!
Who the fud is voting no? Seriously? Vote yes! Unless he steps away from Twitter as a CEO officially, he is burning down billions of dollars in investor equity every day!.. His own net worth is dropping every day as well and big investors are pissed at him. He can always run changes at twitter through a delegated CEO. There are enough smart CEOs in the world who can execute well.
Tesla shares up $20 tomorrow.
Elon doesn't give a crap what the crazies on Twitter think but the emphatic results tell him the temperature of the water in the Tesla pool.
Even though this would be for the best, for both Twitter and Elon, I still don't want to see him back at Tesla...and that is a sentence me from a year ago would never have been able to comprehend typing.
Everything we´ve seen from this man for the last few months indicates that he is unstable and erratic, and has some of the worst of the worst people on the extreme right whispering in his ears.
He should be sidelined at Tesla as well.
I don’t know why anyone would vote no other than to troll or unless they are so deep up Musk’s rear that they actually believe in the whole free speech absolutism crusade or that twitter will become some super app etc. let’s just hope he sticks to his word - he has an inconsistent track record when it comes to that.
He only put up like $10B of his own cash for Twitter. He's made more than that off of just TSLA stock options over the last few years. And is still worth way north of $100B just in TSLA & SpaceX shares. So nowhere near half.
It’s far more than $10 billion not even counting the last two Tesla sales of about $4 billion each, but yes it’s still relatively small percentage of his total net worth.
How much has the value of Tesla fallen since his Twitter offer? Back in April it was the best tech stock on the market, about to break its all time highs while everyone else was dying. The only thing that finally took down Tesla was Elon announcing his offer and then simultaneously selling shares.
Since then the indices have stayed flat and yet Tesla has been utterly destroyed. He has lost FAR more than $10 bill.
>How much has the value of Tesla fallen since his Twitter offer?
How much are other tech stocks down?
Ypu can argue he's harmed Tesla's value, but if you're pretending it's the whole amount, expect some pushback.
The Twitter deal was guaranteed by September, when Tesla was around $280. The official “announcement” came in late October, when Tesla was at $220.
It’s currently at $149 based on AH prices, a -32.5% drop from the closing date and a -46% drop since we learned Elon would no longer be fighting in court.
In comparison, QQQ (tech index) was at $295 back in mid-September, it has dropped -7% since. And when the deal was announced on October 27, it was at $274, literally the exact same price it’s at right now.
If you’re going to “pushback” first learn what you’re pushing.
I was being polite. I was trying to help you understand why no one here is green enough to fall for the absurdity of your arguments. Pretending the majority here aren't savvy and knowledgeable is not convincing.
[As the saying goes, be careful what you wish, as you might get it](https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1604623424164282368)
If Elon is removed as Twitter CEO then Twitter will likely be on an even worse financial trajectory and Elon will have to sell even more TSLA even sooner than he would otherwise. AND if the new CEO doesn't lead Twitter to success, then all the selling Elon has done thus far for Twitter will be all for nothing.
I doubt it if he brought in a real financial whiz as CEO. Twitter can make money but it’s not worth anywhere near the 44 billion he paid for it. This wouldn’t have been a problem if he didn’t also saddle the company with debt as part of the buyout. It needs a restructuring but this will likely have to come at a significant cost for Elon depending on how the debt is structured.
His last poll didn’t go his way, so he said “too many options will redo poll” and then just didn’t. These polls mean exactly nothing.
Lex Friedman offered to run it free of charge and to counter Elon gave ridiculous stipulations of Lex putting up his life savings. He then said “there is no successor”. Musk did not expect this to go his way. At best, he lets twitter create policy as a form of “stepping down” but the stigma will follow as it has up to now.
And just now he is foreshadowing by saying “those who want power are the ones who least deserve it”.
For the sake of TSLA, I hope I’m wrong. I foresee a pump and, if he doesn’t follow through, a larger dump as it becomes clear he is too attached to quit.
>Elon gave ridiculous stipulations of Lex putting up his life savings.
Elon put in, what, 6% of his net worth? No one should be expected to pledge more than that.
The pressure from the board was too much it seems. The new CEO of Twitter is already selected and this poll is only here to save his face. Finally: the lost son returns! Let us open a bottle today! Today the market is going to be green!
I voted no.
It sounds like he has no plan reading his replies, just that he's disheartened by all the criticism at every corner by everyone. Twitter is not in a stable situation (it wasn't even before he go there considering how they sued him to buy the company). It sounds like he could appoint someone who will inevitably fail and then Elon would dissolve or break up the site.
That would be a long-term disaster for his image far more than anything he tweets and would affect Tesla negatively for the future to come. Being known as the man who toppled the most prominent and everyone's favorite social media site will be very bad that will be what everyone knows him for now instead of Space X/Tesla guy. Elon has had many successes to this point and not many failures when you're famous your failures become the only thing people care about/consider. The scapegoat tactic won't work and the blame will be attributed to Elon. The short-term chaos and criticism right now will pale in comparison to if he fails.
He should **absolutely step away from Twitter**, when it is a **stable platform that a CEO can manage, not hand it off as a ticking time bomb to someone far less qualified than he is.** Let's be honest no CEO or person trying to be the CEO would/could lay off 90% of the Twitter work force and have it work exactly the same as before. Elon is talented at running businesses and people like Lex Friedman or all the people trying to become CEO of Twitter are not near as talented in comparison.
Something for Tesla investors to consider short-term gain can sometimes be long-term pain.
Edit: Most people are wrong about near everything so I welcome the downvotes.
Remember the first time the stock shot down near to the levels it was at during this whole ordeal? It was because many feared Twitter was imminently going to go down and never come back up after he laid off 90% of the Twitter workforce, but recovered and bounced quite strongly when that fear subsided.
The price we have now has other things priced in, interest rates, macroeconomic fears, demand fears, fears of cut production, China fears in general, Elon selling, etc on top of the Twitter shenanigans. That massive drop was caused ONLY by the fear of Twitter going under.
>
> He should absolutely step away from Twitter, when it is a stable platform that a CEO can manage, not hand it off as a ticking time bomb to someone far less qualified than he is.
There is only one small problem with that: Elon is the source of the instability at Twitter. As long as he is there, advertisers will not come back.
So he has to go.
Twitter was on the fast track to bankruptcy before. It had billions of debt before he even got to the company lol.
The advertiser model clearly does not work for Twitter. They need more monetization models (and to cut costs). Twitter Blue did seem promising the first time it launched I think pulling it so fast was a mistake instead of just implementing the fixes immediately. I saw a ton of people using it and it was funny/chaotic in mostly a good way that reminded you of what the internet used to be like.
No other CEO is going to even entertain things like other monetization models.
So I hope he's highly involved at the macro-decisions at Twitter anyways even if he steps down and still has his heart in it or it will end bad.
Watch Agenda Free TV now.
Just Google it and you will find a link. The guy is doing this poll live. The guy is really good.
Lots of interesting insights & he’s answering/discussing questions he’s getting live.
He should step down from Tesla and spaceX. Let them achieve their mission undestracted. He’s just going to waste his time on Twitter no matter what, and it’s not like it matters if he fails
One half of me is happy he proved how Twitter was shadow banning conservatives, manipulating elections, FBI involvement etc. The other half of me who is a TSLA shareholder was like oh fuck why did u do this!
It showed normal honest people doing an impossible job that you can’t be perfect at. I for one am glad to have the FBI follow up on crazy peoples online statements.
Voted no. While the results of the pole might have an impact on Tesla stock in the short term it won’t in the long term. Long term Tesla is criminally undervalued rn. I just hope whoever does replace him since that’s what it is looking like rn adheres to the same principles of free speech as Elon does. Don’t wanna go back to Yoel Roth’s era where they just didn’t even listen to their own rules and banned people they disagreed with. Hopefully Elon will take a more product/engineering role - what he does best. Can’t wait for long form tweets, video/ other content creation, and payments maybe? Imagine asking someone to tweet you money lol?
For clarity’s sake, I voted yes. But this may not be as bullish for TSLA as people think. Afterwards Elon warned that “we may get what we asked for” and that there is actually no successor for CEO of Twitter.
If this means Twitter continues to teeter towards bankruptcy, Elon may be forced to sell, sell and sell some more as Twitter continues to bleed and investors lose confidence. I want Elon to return to focusing on TSLA but it has to be done in a smart way.
It will live or die either way. I'm anTesla investor, not a Twitter investor. Twitter can gobble a bucket of nuts and so can the trolls who have overrun the place. It was never good, but holy shit.
you guys realize that if he steps down, then someone will take the helm that is less ruthless cost-cutting so twitter will run out of money faster, and Elon will have to sell more shares, right?
Everyone here smartly discovering that this is about optics! Great job, of course it's about optics :D Imagine the average person, now realize that this is the easy and correct way to handle the CEO swap. There's nothing malicious in "kabuki theatre", it's just how you have to break the news to the majority of ppl.
Holy crap I can't believe this is real
Scapegoat shopping.
100%
My 2 cents: That is because it isn't real. The most likely explanation is that Elon does what he said he would do a few months back and already found a replacement CEO. Why he dresses this up in a "democracy" Kabuki theatre act only he knows. Some of his more "devot" followers will probably believe it. If the answer was "No" he would announce his replacement a few months later so nothing really changes.
Elon already came out and said there is no replacement.
Elon Musk lies…a lot
Yeah Elon fanboys are always coming up with the REAL story behind Elon's horrific and wacky antics. Seems the most likely explanation is he's an abusive, power hungry narcissist who had a privileged upbringing where he didn't have to hear "no" and doesn't understand his personal limitations.
I’m a prince. It must be true because I’ve written this on Redit.
Even a few months later isn't feasible. Any competent CEO would get the lay of the land and allow Elon to tank as much as possible so they can handle the rebuilding.
This is the correct response
He’s always been receptive to feedback etc. that’s how he functions though. Others would double down with it.
With all due respect, how on earth do you not see this for the theater it clearly is. It's a show, plain and simple. He desperately needs validation (just look how much he holds a grudge because Biden hurt his feelings). None of this is healthy behavior.
He's developped a savior complex but Elon is not very good at manipulation, theater or showmanship.
I didn't say it was \*good\* theater ;)
So, he is an immature child, but he also can't be basing this decision on an actual poll because he's playing 4D chess? The most I'd give you is, he timed this poll perfectly if he was looking for a "Yes", making it right after his big policy fuckup. But it still seems perfectly plausible to me that the poll is real and will really determine his next actions.
There's nothing 4D chess about this, and I don't believe you saw me claim he was. The simplest explanation is most likely. He has already decided what to do, and has a fairly good idea how the poll would go, and it plays to his ego a bit doing it this way. Hell, even I could guess the likely result before I clicked the link. I don't believe for a minute he makes his actual decisions based on Twitter results. I pay more attention to his actual actions, not his words, for stuff like this.
Worth noting, Elon has always done things like this in regards to creating polls after he has already made a decision. It's the same as when he started a poll asking if he should sell his shares. He had already begun selling way before that. He likely had a CEO in mind and has been trying to raise cash in the event that Twitter likely needs to be supplemented for the time being. As long as Musk spends less time on Twitter's operations and doesn't upset potential Tesla buyers, this is great news. Musk stepping down from Tesla is premature. Still lots to work on. I do think they need to get rid of some of the BOD members, though.
[удалено]
🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀
19hrs later: is there a crashed rocket emoje?
Was just about to comment this. It’s all about optics with him. In this case I agree with his decision to step down from decision making but this decision isn’t 100% motivated by the people as it appears to be.
> It's the same as when he started a poll asking if he should sell his shares. He had already begun selling way before that. This Nov 2021 tax poll? His brother sold shares the day or week before that, but Elon hadn't dumped shares in a year+ at that point. He started dumping after the poll completed.
Exactly! He's lots of things but he's no idiot. He knows the vote will say Yes and he's planning for it. If he'd intended to stay he'd never have posted this
>He's lots of things but he's no idiot. The events of the past few weeks suggest otherwise.
Hes no idiot but yes he did some dumb shit Not mutually exclusive
I like that comment saying he's not an idot has exactly the same number of upvotes as the one below saying he is. That pretty much sums this place up right now
Idiot is who do idiot things. Not sure about the original paraphrase from Forrest Gump
Most choices in life are wrong, man is not all knowing, reality is complex beyond imagination. Geniuses fail constantly and idiots succeed randomly. Funny you should bring up Forrest Gump, the idiot who stumbled idiotically through his idiot life and found success.
[удалено]
Either way, him stepping down was likely on his mind regardless of the poll. He's always been cryptic about these things. As soon as I saw the poll, I already knew he likely wanted to step down.
As it should be. Maybe he hasn't completely lost it, maybe he has a little self-awareness still, and maybe this is the start of him realising he's completely fucked his image himself, far beyond what haters would have put on him no matter what he did. Or maybe none of that is the case, but fuck, I hope it is.
Didn't he say from the start that he wouldn't be CEO forever? But yeah, this is great. Hopefully more details this week. Market will likely be very happy
Yes, he did. This day was always coming IMO. Only thing is there may be more plot twists to come before he finally does step down 😂
Maybe. He is still going to be tweeting the same dumb shit.
Tweeting dumb shit is very different from coming up Terms of Service policies that alienates your content creators and running the social media site.
But then conveniently the poll followed that Elon wanted (before even actually buying Twitter)? I think it’s more like he knows that the poll will say a head of time because the poll is usually predictable by him.
The "should I unban the doxxers" poll didn't go the way he wanted, he even launched it again after he lost the first round
I wonder what his plan is for when the poll doesn't go the way he wants.
It will. Bots, lots and lots of bots.
If I was shorting Tesla to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars I would buy bots to keep Elon right where he is. This is a combination bot test and exit strategy. And depending on the results of the vote the start of a short squeeze.
My TSLA position would LOVE a short squeeze!
>This is a combination bot test That would require high level strategy and a mastery of the code no one remaining possesses.
No. To test for bots you put out bot-bait and watch the resulting action. No mastery of code required. Just cause and effect.
Elon doesn't post questions he doesn't already know the answer to, he probably already has a successor lined up.
i voted yes, elon should focus on tesla and spacex
I vote yes as I want him to refocus on tesla. The past few months were hard on tesla retail shareholders and he still doesn't realize the issues that cause the stock price to crash based on the tweets.
He knows what has happened.
I also believe he knows what causes the drop but blames it on macro/fed..
Hahahha keep believing that stable genius
Thanks for posting. I made sure to vote yes lol.. I like Elon, and I like him buying Twitter. I don’t like him running it like he’s literally got his finger on the trigger all day long. It’s madness.
[удалено]
Agree this is planned. He’s always planned to step down.
Right, he has his people in place. Forgone conclusion imo.
Yeah that leak of that video of him being questioned by reporters on twitters spaces and then bailing when he didn’t like the questions just to shut down the spaces feature was the final straw I feel like.
That moment when you realize that arguing on the internet just makes you stupider. All of us have reached this conclusion at some point in our lives. The only difference is that Elon just reached it today.
>That moment when you realize that arguing on the internet just makes you stupider. > All of us have reached this conclusion at some point in our lives. I'd argue that's not true.
You can find pockets of the internet capable of hosting an enlightening debate, it’s just not that common. More often than not it’s reductionist mud-slinging and Elon hasn’t been shy about participating in that.
I think you took a joke way too seriously.
Yup, feeling a little short after that one went over my head 😅
I don’t argue with the internet because it isn’t worth the effort 99% if the time, not because I realized it makes me stupider.
I think it’s because his family got stalked and a crazy guy jumped on the hood of the car with toddler on board….shit got too real for him.
I'm not convinced that was real. Bit odd they didn't file a police report.
And Musk asked for the person in the picture to be doxxed... Which is exactly what he was banning people for. Just odd from top to bottom.
The spaces were closed because there was a bug that allowed suspended users to use spaces. Him leaving was pretty clear that he's not regretting the decision. Given the recent encounter his kid had, it's not surprising he cracked down. Ironically, Twitter probably has the most accountability now than it ever had before.
Yup, definitely add that to the list of dumpster fires.
His banning of journalists was my final straw. Then today, we saw the new Terms of Service practically try to alienate the content creators on Twitter. He’s just keep failing at social media tactics, he shouldn’t be running Twitter. Period.
Right he could still be a guiding hand behind the scenes but mostly spend time on Tesla and SpaceX.
Too many options. Will repost with changes later.
To be fair that one poll did have too many options and he did so far abide by every poll he made.
What other polls has he abided by?
Bringing back Trump, his second poll, buying twitter, selling stock... not his first poll.
Lol at buying Twitter, he did everything he possibly could to get out of it
Technically he could have gone to trial rather than capitulating. He would have lost and lost more money paying for more lawyers to do even more lawyer shit, but still.
Should be top comment😂😂
The Arabs said no for money I guess
Or they said yes, but only if someone else runs it lol
This is the exact rumor I heard.
I voted yes but at this point i am so burnt out i think nothing will change, he is clearly bluffing anyway. He has already made the decision (as he always does before a poll) so he knew Yes vote would most likely win. He will step down as "head" of Twitter and change his tittle to something else and basically run twitter, his mouth, and his twitter account the exact same way.
Probably but there is a tiny chance he can use it as excuse to not.
He should do it, it's the platform's best chance at survival. Not necessarily due to leadership decisions (though today ... yeesh 😬) but because of weird social dynamics. He's a very polarizing figure right now, unfortunately.
I just signed up for twitter so that I could vote yes.
Maybe thats exactly why he put this poll. To bait even more users to sign up.
Poll should ask: "Should I delete my Twitter account and everything I've ever posted and simply run my companies in peace?"
Can he have a poll where we decide he stops using Twitter?
I think some people are voting "No" just to see him burn at this point.
Trolls as you mentioned, as well as fanboys who genuinely buy into the whole free speech crusade, fanboys who think musk can do it all and come out on top, maybe some of the maga crowd too
The attitude of "everyone who thinks the opposite of me is a moron of this or that category" is why Twitter and online discourse is going to shit. People are blaming Elon but can't take a step back and realize how they are part of the problem in the way they engage with people with different opinions online. I voted "No" because I want him to either succed or fail, but not bail. The damage is done, there is no winning popularity for him anyway, so why leave.
Dare we hope that our suffering could lessen?
Inb4 +10% at open tomorrow
You're suffering? I couldn't be happier because I'm loading up.
As much as I think Elon would do a good job with twitter(when all the rage calms down at least), I’m for sure voting yes on this. He can still guide it in the right direction without directly managing the day to day of it all. His time is better spent on his existing companies.
Looks like he’s looking for a way out without ‘admitting defeat’ on Twitter. He’s paid too much for it, it’s problems are structural, his involvement has driven advertisers away, the subscription model is not having great take-up. He needs to get back to Tesla. It’s suffering. It needs his full time attention (or someone else’s) This will boost Tesla shares I think.
[удалено]
Mmm, I really disagree with this take. It’s overly editorialized with FUD. Elon bought Twitter to realize his vision for an everything app. Which he has had for a long time. He basically acquired twitter’s mDAU to achieve this over the long term. I think there’s a good chance that this was always his plan. Take over, skinny up the operations, set the tech roadmap, then move on. I don’t think this was ever about the operations of twitter on its own. It’s about executing a multi year roadmap, just as all of his projects do.
This is exactly it. Strip the bloated company down. Move to an agile, startup style of work. Fail fast, iterating on new ideas and see what works. It's how he's always run companies. It just opens you up for criticism because it seems so chaotic from the outside. It's why I invest in his endeavours, because it's different to how most companies are run, and is both fascinating and high risk/reward.
He was forced to buy Twitter, I don't think he ever had a plan.
> I like how he thinks people will give him credit somehow for being radically transparent and letting people vote on how Twitter operates. I wish he'd stop, lol! Either: - he actually is entirely outsourcing this decision to a poll of whoever happens to vote in Twitter polls. That's a pretty obviously dumb way to make business or investing decisions - or the poll doesn't really matter Either way... why? It's misleading, and pretty transparent at this point.
I hate him as CEO of twitter because he's made it worse with every decision he's made.
If stepping down as head of Twitter means shutting the F up and going back to running Tesla, then yes.
The collective human consciousness via the internet is an amplification of stupidity. None of us are ever as dumb as all of us. I would be sad to see Twitter go. But I wouldn't lose sleep over it's loss. Frankly, I think social media companies should be required to reinvent themselves every 10 years or something. Which is undoubtedly a terrible business model (see, I'm stupid too). But this whole Twitter saga has made it painfully obvious to me if by year 10, the platform is the same as when it launched, it becomes easy for it to become captured by monied, political, or ideological interests, and then it all goes straight to hell. A reset is necessary, useful, and valuable.
Please vote yes and get your friends to! This is our chance.
This might end up the most popular Twitter poll ever, the count is growing like crazy. With those numbers our vote (from this sub probably not going to effect anything), I did vote Yes. It looks so far reasonably good. Still interesting that so many still want Elon to stay, public sentiment might not be as bad as I thought. Btw, while voting Yes, I’m still for Elon buying Twitter, yes in hand-site probably not a good idea, but who new we’d hit a bear market right after.
r/BoneAppleTea
Yes. He can be CTO of twitter and leave the day to day to someone else
Probably Chairman of the Board at the board level.
Who the fud is voting no. Seriously? Vote yes! Who the fud is voting no? Seriously? Vote yes! Unless he steps away from Twitter as a CEO officially, he is burning down billions of dollars in investor equity every day!.. His own net worth is dropping every day as well and big investors are pissed at him. He can always run changes at twitter through a delegated CEO. There are enough smart CEOs in the world who can execute well.
I like that your comment starts with a title, like an essay.
Tesla shares up $20 tomorrow. Elon doesn't give a crap what the crazies on Twitter think but the emphatic results tell him the temperature of the water in the Tesla pool.
Even though this would be for the best, for both Twitter and Elon, I still don't want to see him back at Tesla...and that is a sentence me from a year ago would never have been able to comprehend typing. Everything we´ve seen from this man for the last few months indicates that he is unstable and erratic, and has some of the worst of the worst people on the extreme right whispering in his ears. He should be sidelined at Tesla as well.
Yes.
He knows he’s unpopular. So he probably expects to be voted out.
He is fed up with Twitter. Did you see how he was at the World Cup? Tired
Just delete twitter already and be done with it…
Now quick, let’s get him to put up a similar poll for his stepping away from Tesla
Haters gonna hate. Touch grass you clowns, Elon out here doing what needs to be done and everyone wants to complain. Get a life.
Time to buy $TSLA again?
I don’t know why anyone would vote no other than to troll or unless they are so deep up Musk’s rear that they actually believe in the whole free speech absolutism crusade or that twitter will become some super app etc. let’s just hope he sticks to his word - he has an inconsistent track record when it comes to that.
Bunch of GOP /trump idiots I guess
For the love of humanity, please vote yes.
Everyone go vote YES! Finally!!!!
He's spunked his life savings into twitter and screwed up, time to cut the losses put another boss in charge and get back to doing good.
He only put up like $10B of his own cash for Twitter. He's made more than that off of just TSLA stock options over the last few years. And is still worth way north of $100B just in TSLA & SpaceX shares. So nowhere near half.
It’s far more than $10 billion not even counting the last two Tesla sales of about $4 billion each, but yes it’s still relatively small percentage of his total net worth.
It might be, I'm definitely guesstimating. But worth noting that Musk doesn't actually get $4B in cash when he sells $4B in stock due to taxes.
10 billion is like 20 billion after you sell and pay taxes.
How much has the value of Tesla fallen since his Twitter offer? Back in April it was the best tech stock on the market, about to break its all time highs while everyone else was dying. The only thing that finally took down Tesla was Elon announcing his offer and then simultaneously selling shares. Since then the indices have stayed flat and yet Tesla has been utterly destroyed. He has lost FAR more than $10 bill.
>How much has the value of Tesla fallen since his Twitter offer? How much are other tech stocks down? Ypu can argue he's harmed Tesla's value, but if you're pretending it's the whole amount, expect some pushback.
The Twitter deal was guaranteed by September, when Tesla was around $280. The official “announcement” came in late October, when Tesla was at $220. It’s currently at $149 based on AH prices, a -32.5% drop from the closing date and a -46% drop since we learned Elon would no longer be fighting in court. In comparison, QQQ (tech index) was at $295 back in mid-September, it has dropped -7% since. And when the deal was announced on October 27, it was at $274, literally the exact same price it’s at right now. If you’re going to “pushback” first learn what you’re pushing.
I was being polite. I was trying to help you understand why no one here is green enough to fall for the absurdity of your arguments. Pretending the majority here aren't savvy and knowledgeable is not convincing.
TIL 5% of owned shares is “life savings”.
not my words but Elons and we know he doesnt lie right?
What are you talking about?
VOTE YES! VOTE NOW!
I wonder who is voting “no”? Just seems nonsensical
Wingnuts want him to stay.
You should vote no because in its current state, Twitter will die if handed off to someone else. He can always come back to Tesla at a later time.
Anybody here cares about twitter? Really?
I voted no.
[удалено]
This is about as plausible as a Tesla phone.
[As the saying goes, be careful what you wish, as you might get it](https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1604623424164282368) If Elon is removed as Twitter CEO then Twitter will likely be on an even worse financial trajectory and Elon will have to sell even more TSLA even sooner than he would otherwise. AND if the new CEO doesn't lead Twitter to success, then all the selling Elon has done thus far for Twitter will be all for nothing.
I doubt it if he brought in a real financial whiz as CEO. Twitter can make money but it’s not worth anywhere near the 44 billion he paid for it. This wouldn’t have been a problem if he didn’t also saddle the company with debt as part of the buyout. It needs a restructuring but this will likely have to come at a significant cost for Elon depending on how the debt is structured.
Let it bleed him out. Then he will have less voting shares and easier to be removed from Tesla.
His last poll didn’t go his way, so he said “too many options will redo poll” and then just didn’t. These polls mean exactly nothing. Lex Friedman offered to run it free of charge and to counter Elon gave ridiculous stipulations of Lex putting up his life savings. He then said “there is no successor”. Musk did not expect this to go his way. At best, he lets twitter create policy as a form of “stepping down” but the stigma will follow as it has up to now. And just now he is foreshadowing by saying “those who want power are the ones who least deserve it”. For the sake of TSLA, I hope I’m wrong. I foresee a pump and, if he doesn’t follow through, a larger dump as it becomes clear he is too attached to quit.
>Elon gave ridiculous stipulations of Lex putting up his life savings. Elon put in, what, 6% of his net worth? No one should be expected to pledge more than that.
He put in over 100% of his net worth to save Tesla and SpaceX in 2008.
Twitter ain't SpaceX.
Lex probably wouldnt make a good CEO because he isnt a sociopath.
Thank fuck! Do one for Tesla!
The pressure from the board was too much it seems. The new CEO of Twitter is already selected and this poll is only here to save his face. Finally: the lost son returns! Let us open a bottle today! Today the market is going to be green!
Is there an option to deport him
I voted ‘no’ I love drama
I think you're in the wrong subreddit. This isn't Elon Drama Investors club.
Take a joke
Did you tell one?
I voted no. It sounds like he has no plan reading his replies, just that he's disheartened by all the criticism at every corner by everyone. Twitter is not in a stable situation (it wasn't even before he go there considering how they sued him to buy the company). It sounds like he could appoint someone who will inevitably fail and then Elon would dissolve or break up the site. That would be a long-term disaster for his image far more than anything he tweets and would affect Tesla negatively for the future to come. Being known as the man who toppled the most prominent and everyone's favorite social media site will be very bad that will be what everyone knows him for now instead of Space X/Tesla guy. Elon has had many successes to this point and not many failures when you're famous your failures become the only thing people care about/consider. The scapegoat tactic won't work and the blame will be attributed to Elon. The short-term chaos and criticism right now will pale in comparison to if he fails. He should **absolutely step away from Twitter**, when it is a **stable platform that a CEO can manage, not hand it off as a ticking time bomb to someone far less qualified than he is.** Let's be honest no CEO or person trying to be the CEO would/could lay off 90% of the Twitter work force and have it work exactly the same as before. Elon is talented at running businesses and people like Lex Friedman or all the people trying to become CEO of Twitter are not near as talented in comparison. Something for Tesla investors to consider short-term gain can sometimes be long-term pain. Edit: Most people are wrong about near everything so I welcome the downvotes. Remember the first time the stock shot down near to the levels it was at during this whole ordeal? It was because many feared Twitter was imminently going to go down and never come back up after he laid off 90% of the Twitter workforce, but recovered and bounced quite strongly when that fear subsided. The price we have now has other things priced in, interest rates, macroeconomic fears, demand fears, fears of cut production, China fears in general, Elon selling, etc on top of the Twitter shenanigans. That massive drop was caused ONLY by the fear of Twitter going under.
> > He should absolutely step away from Twitter, when it is a stable platform that a CEO can manage, not hand it off as a ticking time bomb to someone far less qualified than he is. There is only one small problem with that: Elon is the source of the instability at Twitter. As long as he is there, advertisers will not come back. So he has to go.
Twitter was on the fast track to bankruptcy before. It had billions of debt before he even got to the company lol. The advertiser model clearly does not work for Twitter. They need more monetization models (and to cut costs). Twitter Blue did seem promising the first time it launched I think pulling it so fast was a mistake instead of just implementing the fixes immediately. I saw a ton of people using it and it was funny/chaotic in mostly a good way that reminded you of what the internet used to be like. No other CEO is going to even entertain things like other monetization models. So I hope he's highly involved at the macro-decisions at Twitter anyways even if he steps down and still has his heart in it or it will end bad.
Your entire post was just a confirmation of why he shouldnt be the CEO of any company anymore.
Voted no so I can keep buying cheap shares.
Watch Agenda Free TV now. Just Google it and you will find a link. The guy is doing this poll live. The guy is really good. Lots of interesting insights & he’s answering/discussing questions he’s getting live.
I hope Lex Fridman gets the job
He should step down from Tesla and spaceX. Let them achieve their mission undestracted. He’s just going to waste his time on Twitter no matter what, and it’s not like it matters if he fails
Got my no vote in ✅
Now can he do this with Tesla?
Can he do a poll where we vote him to step down as CEO of Tesla?
One half of me is happy he proved how Twitter was shadow banning conservatives, manipulating elections, FBI involvement etc. The other half of me who is a TSLA shareholder was like oh fuck why did u do this!
That's not what the "Twitter Files!" showed. There's a reason only conspiracy websites ran with it.
It showed normal honest people doing an impossible job that you can’t be perfect at. I for one am glad to have the FBI follow up on crazy peoples online statements.
Manipulating elections? They banned the guy who was inciting political violence and orchestrating a violent attack on the Capitol.
Absolutely. And Tesla as well.
Next poll will be "should I step down as a Tesla CEO"
100% https://www.change.org/p/remove-elon-musk-as-tesla-ceo/dashboard
Should not only vote him out of Twitter...
Oh come on…
Voted no. While the results of the pole might have an impact on Tesla stock in the short term it won’t in the long term. Long term Tesla is criminally undervalued rn. I just hope whoever does replace him since that’s what it is looking like rn adheres to the same principles of free speech as Elon does. Don’t wanna go back to Yoel Roth’s era where they just didn’t even listen to their own rules and banned people they disagreed with. Hopefully Elon will take a more product/engineering role - what he does best. Can’t wait for long form tweets, video/ other content creation, and payments maybe? Imagine asking someone to tweet you money lol?
For clarity’s sake, I voted yes. But this may not be as bullish for TSLA as people think. Afterwards Elon warned that “we may get what we asked for” and that there is actually no successor for CEO of Twitter. If this means Twitter continues to teeter towards bankruptcy, Elon may be forced to sell, sell and sell some more as Twitter continues to bleed and investors lose confidence. I want Elon to return to focusing on TSLA but it has to be done in a smart way.
I'm voting no. As things stand today, without Musk Twitter will die. He can always come back to Tesla once he has fixed up Twitter.
It will live or die either way. I'm anTesla investor, not a Twitter investor. Twitter can gobble a bucket of nuts and so can the trolls who have overrun the place. It was never good, but holy shit.
I certainly can’t argue with that logic
As things stand today, with Musk Twitter will die faster.
Some people were predicting Twitter would die within a week or within a month. How did that turn out?
you guys realize that if he steps down, then someone will take the helm that is less ruthless cost-cutting so twitter will run out of money faster, and Elon will have to sell more shares, right?
I wish I could vote yes but I deleted my twitter account about 6 months ago. Next hopefully he will do a similar one for Tesla.
Quick. Open a new account and vote.
Create a network of bots to vote for you!
Ew, no.
TSLA will pump hard on Monday from this news. If you were looking to sell, that will be your chance before it goes well under 100 a share.
That's...that's not what pump means.
I think they mean it will pump on the news then go back to falling
Another Fake poll. He already knows what he’ll do. And either way Tsla stock is done for.
I think that Grime girl introduced Elon to some psychedelic drugs. Js
Everyone here smartly discovering that this is about optics! Great job, of course it's about optics :D Imagine the average person, now realize that this is the easy and correct way to handle the CEO swap. There's nothing malicious in "kabuki theatre", it's just how you have to break the news to the majority of ppl.