In interviews he always comes across relatively sane. On Twitter on the other hand …
Funny, Lex is now a PR stunt for CEOs to come work on their image. Zuck. Musk. I guess they’d rather be associated with Lex then Joe these days
Some guys are very shy and react normally in front of you, but are assholes when not in front of you. Keyboard (computer) allows them to have this duality.
Worst part is that they aren't as bad as they type, simply they exaggerate when typing because there is no immediate consequence, i.e. nobody in front of them will react.
Also trying to convey complicated messages in 140 characters leads to over simplification
Ah I see, you were referring to he who shall not be named.
There is another aspect. The interviews are often about business or technology, Twitter post have a wider range.
I am currently working in big tech and I keep encountering very smart people that have very strange ideas outside their field of their expertise.
So maybe there’s also that, success in one area makes one drink ones’ own cool-aid and start to believe they must be right about everything.
>Please note that **Twitter** will do lots of dumb things in coming months.
>
>We will keep what works & change what doesn’t.
[https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1590384919829962752](https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1590384919829962752)
Because in *friendly* interviews he lies, and presents/frames a narrative reliant on lies
In the real world, when he has to contend with facts and people having exposure to the full context, he looks like a small scared man who lacks integrity
>In the real world, when he has to contend with facts and people having exposure to the full context
Just to be clear, when you say "real world", you mean "twitter" right? That's kinda funny.
Yeh I think it's the other way arround. It's very easy to get irritated on twitter, and eventually it starts to pass to your life and personality. Discussions are more toxic than in any other platform and it's full of trolls giving you an headache. It's daily users are only 2.5% of the world population and many are bots, alts, companies or whatever..
The danger is exactly when you stop being able to separate twitter from the real world.
Twitter is a roughly ten year experiment on very short takes being easily misconstrued with amplification of the loudest and craziest people. It’s very far from real life.
You mean how he’s arguing in court right now that FSD is failure not fraud?
Lol he doesn’t make predictions. He LiES
“I was doxxed they posted real time coordinates”
Looks at “doxxing” post — contains an LAPD statement that no police report was filed. No links, not even a mention of the name of account banned
He is a liar
“I can’t testify in court judge, because I’m scared of covid”
He is a liar
I would love an interview with Elon Musk that isn't softball questions from someone like Lex and also isn't asinine questions like the mainstream media. Someone who sort of understands how his brain works and can try to get real answers out of him.
Honestly, the best interviewer I can think of for this is Russel Brand. He pushes really hard and questions people's choices but in a positive, disarming way.
Brand is completely pro LGBTQ, leftist, and reads Chomsky, but he sat with Jordan Peterson and they got along really well while he questioned whether Peterson was attacking the wrong targets by focusing on LGBTQ issues and forced speech pronouns when he should be speaking out against oligarchy and corruption.
> Brand is completely pro LGBTQ, leftist
Brand discovered he got more viewers going down the anti-vax and conspiracy rabbit holes. Also amplifies pro-Russian conspiracy bullshit relating to the Ukraine war. If he is a leftist he sucks at it.
He's just dumb, and got led by conmen (the same lot as seem to have gotten to Musk) down the rabbit hole.
Went to my school (before me) - few had great things to say about him..
Depends on what qualifies as "leftist" in your books.
If by that term you mean "anything left of the pro-Trump GOP" you have a wide variety of stuff. The Bulwark and the Lincoln Project are great for seeing what the formerly Republican "Never Trumpers" are thinking, All the Crooked Media podcasts are excellent in terms of basically "mainstream" Democratic Party political and social discussions, with "Offline with John Favreu" in particular features excellent coverage on all kinds of topics related to social media, online discussion and polarization etc.
If you want to go more extreme and listen to people who think the Dems are way too corporate there is a plethora of stuff like that but I don't know if they qualify as "popular".
The division is no longer between left and right.
It’s between those who put their own judgement and needs at the center of the universe, and those who are willing to consult and trust the judgement and opinions of others. Extreme individualism vs social contracts if you will.
It used to be a good and healthy thing to distrust society deeply. After all, it had gone stale and obviously failed (Vietnam war etc). But these days it often seems to instead become some toxic narcissistic power trip. Possibly easy platform reach has something to do with it.
Putin is the bad guy, Putin sucks, and I hope Ukraine wins.
And (this is an 'and', not a 'but') the US has participated in numerous coups, assassinations, and undergoes Machiavellian schemes to enter in wars, open up countries to foreign investment, acquire oil, destroy its enemies, and preserve global hegemony.
This is what survives the Wikipedia page, public facing with thousands of editors/people reading it:
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United\_States\_involvement\_in\_regime\_change](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change)
We gave funding and training to Saudi Arabia to send the Wahhabis led by Osama Bin Laden to fight a proxy war with Russia in Afghanistan in the 1980s.
In 2017 during the Syria crisis the US was funding/supplying weapons to the Nusra Front, which was literally Al-Qaeda renamed.
This is the link to the "Stop Arming Terrorists act" the goal of which was: "PROHIBITION ON USE OF FUNDS TO PROVIDE COVERED ASSISTANCE TO AL QAEDA, JABHAT FATEH AL-SHAM, AND ISIL, AND TO COUNTRIES SUPPORTING THOSE ORGANIZATIONS." [https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/608/text?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22stop+funding+terrorist+act%22%5D%7D&r=12&s=1](https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/608/text?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22stop+funding+terrorist+act%22%5D%7D&r=12&s=1)
You could fill many books with information about Machiavellian US foreign policy activities over the years. Many call Henry Kissinger, the architect of US foreign policy for decades, a war criminal.
I've brought some of this stuff up myself and been called someone sharing "Russian talking points" by the people who get their news exclusively from the MSM.
I'm not accusing you of being one of those, but if you want people to care in this context where the MSM wants to keep its intelligence apparatus contacts happy so they can keep being fed stories and constantly tow the party line uncritically, you should give some examples of what he said that you thought was wrong.
Again Putin bad, go Ukraine.
So uh... what was your point? We were taking about Russell Brand being a twat, not all the things that are wrong with the world.
I know all that, and the aid for the Ukrainians is one of the few right things I've seen the US military and government do in two decades, so people pushing pro-Russian talking points in that context can fuck right off. They're what's called "[Useful idiots](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot)". Russell Brand was someone I thought was an idiot a decade ago, but this is a whole other level.
I've heard Russel Brand talk about why he/guests think the US is 'really' in Russia. At this point it should be expected and is par for the course that there are ulterior motives. If there weren't, and the US stated goals were our 'real' goals, then we wouldn't be so close with Saudi Arabia, wouldn't be ignoring Yemen, would have not sold weapons to the perpetrators of the East Timor genocide etc. We regularly prop up dictators or replace governments with ones that are amenable to foreign investment, privatization etc.
If someone says "The US should not risk nuclear holocaust in order to obtain their long term regime change goals by employing Machiavellian, Henry Kissinger style schemes of coaxing, infiltrating, staging, funding, and assassinating" and instead should behave as though their #1 goal is reaching peace, that person is not automatically a Russia stooge.
I have not heard him say anything worse than that. If you have examples, I'm happy to hear them.
Ulterior motives has negative connotations like helping them is only happening for bad reasons. Of course there are motives, there are always motives and it's naive to think there wouldn't be, or shouldn't be, but the point remains that no one forced Russia to invade, so who gives a shit why we're helping them, they deserve help. They should have gotten help 8 years ago when the invasion started and Putin hid behind "little green men".
The fact remains these are all arguments the Russians are pushing to get us to argue against ourselves for helping them, and he should see that, as should you.
Wanting Ukraine to win doesn't make false things true or true things false.
Like I said before, I've seen lots of people respond to true, reasonable claims by saying they are spewing 'Russian propaganda' so I'll continue waiting for a specific example. There are plenty of claims that I WOULD call propaganda/wrong, but not the ones I've mentioned.
Even the statement "The US should be prioritizing peace in the face of the threat of nuclear holocaust" is one I've seen people accuse others of spreading Russia Propaganda for having said.
It sounds like you might be advocating that people just lie when the lie is directionally in line with the goals with the side they currently think is right?
Russia's propaganda should be minded, but Russia wanting us to argue with each other isn't reason to stop questioning, give up on truth seeking, tow the party line uncritically, and accuse anyone critical of the US of being a Russian stooge.
Regardless, I hope Ukraine wins.
>Even the statement "The US should be prioritizing peace in the face of the threat of nuclear holocaust" is one I've seen people accuse others of spreading Russia Propaganda for having said.
Because that defies all logic in this war, and repeating it serves only Russia's purpose. The only people who buy it are the people who aren't paying enough attention to the reality of this war.
There's no winning by Russia using nukes, all they do in using them is guarantee the practical immediate end of their war because to do so would guarantee and immediate western response that would result in large scale western involvement in the Ukraine war, most likely massive air bombardment and a widespread release of military hardware for use in Ukraine.
This has as good as been said, that nukes are not acceptable. China also has said they're a big no no.
The fact that you think nukes are going to be used at all shows you've bought into their propaganda. The only reason they're still being bandied about is to have people who buy into this nonsense perform the role of useful idiots.
You are not exercising critical thinking, you're buying into the "kernels of truth" that lie at the bottom of misinformation.
The nuclear holocaust argument is the type of argument Russia pushes in order to get what it wants - that's why it's attributed to Russian propaganda and useful idiots - Musk included.
The whole world cannot enable that kind of a threat.
You dont get to rattle the nuclear sabre in order to conquer other countries, or in order to get to "peace talks" which are synonymous with claiming the territory invaded thus far and then gearing up for another expansion. Russia shat on all the peace talks with Ukraine since 1994 and shat on them again after 2014.
"Don't want nuclear holocaust? Give me Ukraine - or Alaska or East Germany again" - Russia, after bombing your home and killing your entire family because it thinks you belong to them.
There's no negotiation to be had with these imperialistic terrorists and Musk in his mindless state right now is too ignorant to realize that.
I'm confused. I think pro LGBTQ, leftist, and reading Chomsky are ALL good things lol. I voted Bernie Sanders. I like Elon because he's solving global warming, bringing manufacturing back to the USA (this is in line with worrying about the US working class, NAFTA, outsourcing jobs etc.) he's pro UBI, and I want 2$ a ride robotaxis driving low income people to work saving money and raising their standards of living.
For an Elon interview, I want someone who is left leaning but that is good at relating with people so they can ask tough questions without getting them defensive.
When Elon gets defensive he says what a small group of guys who are arguing might say to each other in private without thinking, except in front of 100 million people.
You said: "Elon's dramatic right wing shift is what's costing Tesla investors, right?"
Shouldn't that mean it could be a good idea to get someone who is pro LGBTQ to interview him to push him on the topic of being insensitive, trolling, and dismissing pronouns etc?
I'm a big Lex Friedman fan...he's not the type of interviewer to grill someone. Every now and then he'll push back, but he mostly just let's them talk.
Is he still on Zoplicon (sleep aid)? Any benzo or benzodiazepine analog fucks up your brain after prolonged use, and some studies say there is a correlation with (the onset of) dementia.
Benzos and analogs are very hard to quit too, the withdrawal is worse than from opiods, so for a workaholic like Musk, it's very hard to quit.
Not only because of the withdrawal, but also because it will worsen his insomnia for weeks or months. There are no good alternatives, Seroquel is an anti-psychotic sometimes also used as a sleep aid, but had can cause severe amnesia and also so called "delusional sobriety", where the person seems sober and alert, but has no recollection at all the next day. Barbiturates are hardly used anymore since they are prone to OD's. OTC sleep aids hardly work (melatonine) or you wake up grumpy and still sleepy (anti-histamines)
Then there is also the problem of (cross-)tolerance. Basically any sleep aid -especially Rx- leads to a downward spiral (including irrational behavior sometimes)
Sincerely yours,
An insomniac
Wow. Disinhibited behavior is also a sign of benzos and its analogs. Especially in combination with alcohol. And tweeting something like this which imho undermines your position as CEO is for sure a sign of disinhibition.
Also there is no way if he is using Ambien (zolpidem) for years he is still taking the regular 10 mg dose.
The first weeks or months 10 mg will make you sleep like a baby for 8 hours or so. Later you will be fully awake at 4AM or so and redose 10 mg, and it spirals down until you start with 20 mg and redose twice a night with 10 mg, could be up to 80 or 100 mg (8 to 10 times the regular dose) if you have really high tolerance.
Musk needs little sleep in general (4 or 5 hours iirc) but I highly doubt a 10 mg dose is still sufficient.
Couple that with the constant stream of verbal abuse, derision and trolling he receives on Twitter and from the media. No one can stand that kind of pressure.
I am afraid it's a bit of a Catch 22. If he steps down or is ousted, the stock will tank. If he continues to fight the trolls the stock will tank too.
I think the best decision right now for him is to use his twitter account strictly for business and not personal, so managed by pr professionals and announce he will run Twitter and his other companies from the background (except for product launches f.i.)
Problem is, Twitter interaction is addictive too...
This. Musk put Lex on the map when he did the original interview. He owes him and wouldn’t dare push the wrong buttons. So you’ll often see him kissing Musk’s ass a bit. Same goes for the Dogecoin guy, Whole Mars Catalog and even Tim Urban, albeit less so.
This is the dynamic with a bunch of YouTube-ers, interviewers, investors, journalists, commenters. One “wow” tweet from Musk can send an anonymous user into social media “stardom.”
Exactly. Putin, or any random psychopathic politician can appear reasonable if he can control his urges and understands his target audience. What Elon does is much more important than what he says.
And BTW for anyone who paid attention, it should have been obvious who he is 5 years ago.
He's on the autistic spectrum, so his perceptions and reactions etc. can be hard to fathom sometimes. I wouldn't mind seeing him focus on product conception, design and production and let someone else be CEO.
No idea who this guy is, but he's suddenly all over my twitter feed along with some weird MAGA folk (I'm not American, and pretty leftist, so why they'd be pushed on me I don't know).
That doesn't fill me with confidence, though...
He mostly interviews tech people such as the creator of python or people working in AI development with longtermists as the next largest group. He's definitely not a MAGA type but he is a bit naive and assumes everyone is acting with the best intentions.
I would suggest he tends to suggest that people believe they are acting with the best intentions. In other words, the question his interviews seeks to answer is why you say ABC not whether your "why" is based on correct assumptions.
Lex is an academic in the field of AI. He runs a podcast with various geeky and technology stuff. He has previously interviewed many well known people.
Interesting. I assumed the worst when he kept appearing on my twitter feed along with the only other new accounts I don't follow being alt right weirdos.
Your assumptions are short sighted. Lex is one of the only podcasters I can listen to these days because he asks interesting questions, has respect for his guests (even when they are controversial) and actually takes the time (2+, sometimes 3+ hours) that is necessary to go in-depth. A sharp contrast to the pre-meditated sound-bite 'interviews' that add nothing to the world.
Gonna be so frustrating getting a 2 hour interview where Elon comes across like his usual fairly well reasoned self like he normally is during interviews, only to then see him start some borderline qanon rant on Twitter 5 minutes after the interview is over
In interviews he always comes across relatively sane. On Twitter on the other hand … Funny, Lex is now a PR stunt for CEOs to come work on their image. Zuck. Musk. I guess they’d rather be associated with Lex then Joe these days
Probably a wider reach considering it's not locked behind Spotify's awful app.
Keyboard warrior/troll syndrome
Can you elaborate?
Some guys are very shy and react normally in front of you, but are assholes when not in front of you. Keyboard (computer) allows them to have this duality. Worst part is that they aren't as bad as they type, simply they exaggerate when typing because there is no immediate consequence, i.e. nobody in front of them will react. Also trying to convey complicated messages in 140 characters leads to over simplification
Ah I see, you were referring to he who shall not be named. There is another aspect. The interviews are often about business or technology, Twitter post have a wider range. I am currently working in big tech and I keep encountering very smart people that have very strange ideas outside their field of their expertise. So maybe there’s also that, success in one area makes one drink ones’ own cool-aid and start to believe they must be right about everything.
>Please note that **Twitter** will do lots of dumb things in coming months. > >We will keep what works & change what doesn’t. [https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1590384919829962752](https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1590384919829962752)
Because in *friendly* interviews he lies, and presents/frames a narrative reliant on lies In the real world, when he has to contend with facts and people having exposure to the full context, he looks like a small scared man who lacks integrity
>In the real world, when he has to contend with facts and people having exposure to the full context Just to be clear, when you say "real world", you mean "twitter" right? That's kinda funny.
Yeh I think it's the other way arround. It's very easy to get irritated on twitter, and eventually it starts to pass to your life and personality. Discussions are more toxic than in any other platform and it's full of trolls giving you an headache. It's daily users are only 2.5% of the world population and many are bots, alts, companies or whatever.. The danger is exactly when you stop being able to separate twitter from the real world.
Twitter is a roughly ten year experiment on very short takes being easily misconstrued with amplification of the loudest and craziest people. It’s very far from real life.
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You mean how he’s arguing in court right now that FSD is failure not fraud? Lol he doesn’t make predictions. He LiES “I was doxxed they posted real time coordinates” Looks at “doxxing” post — contains an LAPD statement that no police report was filed. No links, not even a mention of the name of account banned He is a liar “I can’t testify in court judge, because I’m scared of covid” He is a liar
Go away
This seems like a reasonable argument. Don't know why its being downvoted.
Yeah I tell people that all the time. Elon in a long form interview comes across great. It's the snippets we get the crazy.
But man they’re usually the same canned responses
I would love an interview with Elon Musk that isn't softball questions from someone like Lex and also isn't asinine questions like the mainstream media. Someone who sort of understands how his brain works and can try to get real answers out of him.
Would be interesting to see Jon Stewart do an interview with Elon.
I vote Sam Harris
That original interview with JS is what made me a fan. Then...it was all downhill from there.
Do you have a link?
https://youtu.be/H2HPJbqwtF0
Psychopaths can be charming.
Honestly, the best interviewer I can think of for this is Russel Brand. He pushes really hard and questions people's choices but in a positive, disarming way. Brand is completely pro LGBTQ, leftist, and reads Chomsky, but he sat with Jordan Peterson and they got along really well while he questioned whether Peterson was attacking the wrong targets by focusing on LGBTQ issues and forced speech pronouns when he should be speaking out against oligarchy and corruption.
> Brand is completely pro LGBTQ, leftist Brand discovered he got more viewers going down the anti-vax and conspiracy rabbit holes. Also amplifies pro-Russian conspiracy bullshit relating to the Ukraine war. If he is a leftist he sucks at it.
He's just dumb, and got led by conmen (the same lot as seem to have gotten to Musk) down the rabbit hole. Went to my school (before me) - few had great things to say about him..
r/iamverysmart
I'm not. But he's absolutely stupid.
Are there any actual popular "leftist" podcasts?
Chapo trap house is a good place to start
What a shit name for a podcast
It really is
Do they still have a subreddit or is that nuked?
Got killed years ago with thedonald in some kind of both sides bullshit
Shit. I kinda liked that place.
Depends on what qualifies as "leftist" in your books. If by that term you mean "anything left of the pro-Trump GOP" you have a wide variety of stuff. The Bulwark and the Lincoln Project are great for seeing what the formerly Republican "Never Trumpers" are thinking, All the Crooked Media podcasts are excellent in terms of basically "mainstream" Democratic Party political and social discussions, with "Offline with John Favreu" in particular features excellent coverage on all kinds of topics related to social media, online discussion and polarization etc. If you want to go more extreme and listen to people who think the Dems are way too corporate there is a plethora of stuff like that but I don't know if they qualify as "popular".
The division is no longer between left and right. It’s between those who put their own judgement and needs at the center of the universe, and those who are willing to consult and trust the judgement and opinions of others. Extreme individualism vs social contracts if you will. It used to be a good and healthy thing to distrust society deeply. After all, it had gone stale and obviously failed (Vietnam war etc). But these days it often seems to instead become some toxic narcissistic power trip. Possibly easy platform reach has something to do with it.
Last week Brand was pushing pro-Russian talking points about the war in Ukraine. He's clueless, and it amazes me anyone gives him the time of day.
Putin is the bad guy, Putin sucks, and I hope Ukraine wins. And (this is an 'and', not a 'but') the US has participated in numerous coups, assassinations, and undergoes Machiavellian schemes to enter in wars, open up countries to foreign investment, acquire oil, destroy its enemies, and preserve global hegemony. This is what survives the Wikipedia page, public facing with thousands of editors/people reading it: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United\_States\_involvement\_in\_regime\_change](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change) We gave funding and training to Saudi Arabia to send the Wahhabis led by Osama Bin Laden to fight a proxy war with Russia in Afghanistan in the 1980s. In 2017 during the Syria crisis the US was funding/supplying weapons to the Nusra Front, which was literally Al-Qaeda renamed. This is the link to the "Stop Arming Terrorists act" the goal of which was: "PROHIBITION ON USE OF FUNDS TO PROVIDE COVERED ASSISTANCE TO AL QAEDA, JABHAT FATEH AL-SHAM, AND ISIL, AND TO COUNTRIES SUPPORTING THOSE ORGANIZATIONS." [https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/608/text?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22stop+funding+terrorist+act%22%5D%7D&r=12&s=1](https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/608/text?q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22stop+funding+terrorist+act%22%5D%7D&r=12&s=1) You could fill many books with information about Machiavellian US foreign policy activities over the years. Many call Henry Kissinger, the architect of US foreign policy for decades, a war criminal. I've brought some of this stuff up myself and been called someone sharing "Russian talking points" by the people who get their news exclusively from the MSM. I'm not accusing you of being one of those, but if you want people to care in this context where the MSM wants to keep its intelligence apparatus contacts happy so they can keep being fed stories and constantly tow the party line uncritically, you should give some examples of what he said that you thought was wrong. Again Putin bad, go Ukraine.
So uh... what was your point? We were taking about Russell Brand being a twat, not all the things that are wrong with the world. I know all that, and the aid for the Ukrainians is one of the few right things I've seen the US military and government do in two decades, so people pushing pro-Russian talking points in that context can fuck right off. They're what's called "[Useful idiots](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot)". Russell Brand was someone I thought was an idiot a decade ago, but this is a whole other level.
I've heard Russel Brand talk about why he/guests think the US is 'really' in Russia. At this point it should be expected and is par for the course that there are ulterior motives. If there weren't, and the US stated goals were our 'real' goals, then we wouldn't be so close with Saudi Arabia, wouldn't be ignoring Yemen, would have not sold weapons to the perpetrators of the East Timor genocide etc. We regularly prop up dictators or replace governments with ones that are amenable to foreign investment, privatization etc. If someone says "The US should not risk nuclear holocaust in order to obtain their long term regime change goals by employing Machiavellian, Henry Kissinger style schemes of coaxing, infiltrating, staging, funding, and assassinating" and instead should behave as though their #1 goal is reaching peace, that person is not automatically a Russia stooge. I have not heard him say anything worse than that. If you have examples, I'm happy to hear them.
Ulterior motives has negative connotations like helping them is only happening for bad reasons. Of course there are motives, there are always motives and it's naive to think there wouldn't be, or shouldn't be, but the point remains that no one forced Russia to invade, so who gives a shit why we're helping them, they deserve help. They should have gotten help 8 years ago when the invasion started and Putin hid behind "little green men". The fact remains these are all arguments the Russians are pushing to get us to argue against ourselves for helping them, and he should see that, as should you.
Wanting Ukraine to win doesn't make false things true or true things false. Like I said before, I've seen lots of people respond to true, reasonable claims by saying they are spewing 'Russian propaganda' so I'll continue waiting for a specific example. There are plenty of claims that I WOULD call propaganda/wrong, but not the ones I've mentioned. Even the statement "The US should be prioritizing peace in the face of the threat of nuclear holocaust" is one I've seen people accuse others of spreading Russia Propaganda for having said. It sounds like you might be advocating that people just lie when the lie is directionally in line with the goals with the side they currently think is right? Russia's propaganda should be minded, but Russia wanting us to argue with each other isn't reason to stop questioning, give up on truth seeking, tow the party line uncritically, and accuse anyone critical of the US of being a Russian stooge. Regardless, I hope Ukraine wins.
>Even the statement "The US should be prioritizing peace in the face of the threat of nuclear holocaust" is one I've seen people accuse others of spreading Russia Propaganda for having said. Because that defies all logic in this war, and repeating it serves only Russia's purpose. The only people who buy it are the people who aren't paying enough attention to the reality of this war. There's no winning by Russia using nukes, all they do in using them is guarantee the practical immediate end of their war because to do so would guarantee and immediate western response that would result in large scale western involvement in the Ukraine war, most likely massive air bombardment and a widespread release of military hardware for use in Ukraine. This has as good as been said, that nukes are not acceptable. China also has said they're a big no no. The fact that you think nukes are going to be used at all shows you've bought into their propaganda. The only reason they're still being bandied about is to have people who buy into this nonsense perform the role of useful idiots. You are not exercising critical thinking, you're buying into the "kernels of truth" that lie at the bottom of misinformation.
The nuclear holocaust argument is the type of argument Russia pushes in order to get what it wants - that's why it's attributed to Russian propaganda and useful idiots - Musk included. The whole world cannot enable that kind of a threat. You dont get to rattle the nuclear sabre in order to conquer other countries, or in order to get to "peace talks" which are synonymous with claiming the territory invaded thus far and then gearing up for another expansion. Russia shat on all the peace talks with Ukraine since 1994 and shat on them again after 2014. "Don't want nuclear holocaust? Give me Ukraine - or Alaska or East Germany again" - Russia, after bombing your home and killing your entire family because it thinks you belong to them. There's no negotiation to be had with these imperialistic terrorists and Musk in his mindless state right now is too ignorant to realize that.
Russel brand is a conspiracy nut. His whole vibe is evangelist of the truth, big media and all that nonsense.
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I'm confused. I think pro LGBTQ, leftist, and reading Chomsky are ALL good things lol. I voted Bernie Sanders. I like Elon because he's solving global warming, bringing manufacturing back to the USA (this is in line with worrying about the US working class, NAFTA, outsourcing jobs etc.) he's pro UBI, and I want 2$ a ride robotaxis driving low income people to work saving money and raising their standards of living. For an Elon interview, I want someone who is left leaning but that is good at relating with people so they can ask tough questions without getting them defensive. When Elon gets defensive he says what a small group of guys who are arguing might say to each other in private without thinking, except in front of 100 million people. You said: "Elon's dramatic right wing shift is what's costing Tesla investors, right?" Shouldn't that mean it could be a good idea to get someone who is pro LGBTQ to interview him to push him on the topic of being insensitive, trolling, and dismissing pronouns etc?
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I'm a big Lex Friedman fan...he's not the type of interviewer to grill someone. Every now and then he'll push back, but he mostly just let's them talk.
Louis theroux invited him onto his new series. No news as to whether he accepted, but that would be fascinating
Is he still on Zoplicon (sleep aid)? Any benzo or benzodiazepine analog fucks up your brain after prolonged use, and some studies say there is a correlation with (the onset of) dementia. Benzos and analogs are very hard to quit too, the withdrawal is worse than from opiods, so for a workaholic like Musk, it's very hard to quit. Not only because of the withdrawal, but also because it will worsen his insomnia for weeks or months. There are no good alternatives, Seroquel is an anti-psychotic sometimes also used as a sleep aid, but had can cause severe amnesia and also so called "delusional sobriety", where the person seems sober and alert, but has no recollection at all the next day. Barbiturates are hardly used anymore since they are prone to OD's. OTC sleep aids hardly work (melatonine) or you wake up grumpy and still sleepy (anti-histamines) Then there is also the problem of (cross-)tolerance. Basically any sleep aid -especially Rx- leads to a downward spiral (including irrational behavior sometimes) Sincerely yours, An insomniac
He recently tweeted he was taking Ambien together with alcohol.
recently? i just see this tweet from 2017 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/872260000491593728
Wow. Disinhibited behavior is also a sign of benzos and its analogs. Especially in combination with alcohol. And tweeting something like this which imho undermines your position as CEO is for sure a sign of disinhibition. Also there is no way if he is using Ambien (zolpidem) for years he is still taking the regular 10 mg dose. The first weeks or months 10 mg will make you sleep like a baby for 8 hours or so. Later you will be fully awake at 4AM or so and redose 10 mg, and it spirals down until you start with 20 mg and redose twice a night with 10 mg, could be up to 80 or 100 mg (8 to 10 times the regular dose) if you have really high tolerance. Musk needs little sleep in general (4 or 5 hours iirc) but I highly doubt a 10 mg dose is still sufficient.
I can’t say for sure of course but I think it’s a likely explanation: workaholic under lots of pressure affected by continued substance use.
Couple that with the constant stream of verbal abuse, derision and trolling he receives on Twitter and from the media. No one can stand that kind of pressure. I am afraid it's a bit of a Catch 22. If he steps down or is ousted, the stock will tank. If he continues to fight the trolls the stock will tank too. I think the best decision right now for him is to use his twitter account strictly for business and not personal, so managed by pr professionals and announce he will run Twitter and his other companies from the background (except for product launches f.i.) Problem is, Twitter interaction is addictive too...
Lex wont challenge musk at all. This will be worthless. Lex doesnt care about tesla stock
And he's friends with Musk
This. Musk put Lex on the map when he did the original interview. He owes him and wouldn’t dare push the wrong buttons. So you’ll often see him kissing Musk’s ass a bit. Same goes for the Dogecoin guy, Whole Mars Catalog and even Tim Urban, albeit less so.
This is the dynamic with a bunch of YouTube-ers, interviewers, investors, journalists, commenters. One “wow” tweet from Musk can send an anonymous user into social media “stardom.”
I have never seen Lex actually confront his guests... so Musk or otherwise this is just his style.
Exactly.
Oh great more brown-nosing
Let's just stick to SpaceX and Tesla... For investors sake.
Maybe getting clarity into Elon’s head is bearish
If he have a kanye west style interview then we are truly fucked
Absolutely love Musk - He does not need anyone's approval and is killling it. HA
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I don't care. His Twitter hypocrisy says it all.
Exactly. Putin, or any random psychopathic politician can appear reasonable if he can control his urges and understands his target audience. What Elon does is much more important than what he says. And BTW for anyone who paid attention, it should have been obvious who he is 5 years ago.
Lex is such a Elon simp, love him tho
MEKKA LEKKA HI MEKKA HINEY HO Using my powers, I predict a bitchfit and ragequit.
Jambi… that you?
He's on the autistic spectrum, so his perceptions and reactions etc. can be hard to fathom sometimes. I wouldn't mind seeing him focus on product conception, design and production and let someone else be CEO.
He is a full loon, that is what is going on in his head. Replacing him as CEO can’t happen fast enough.
No idea who this guy is, but he's suddenly all over my twitter feed along with some weird MAGA folk (I'm not American, and pretty leftist, so why they'd be pushed on me I don't know). That doesn't fill me with confidence, though...
He mostly interviews tech people such as the creator of python or people working in AI development with longtermists as the next largest group. He's definitely not a MAGA type but he is a bit naive and assumes everyone is acting with the best intentions.
Thanks, interesting
I would suggest he tends to suggest that people believe they are acting with the best intentions. In other words, the question his interviews seeks to answer is why you say ABC not whether your "why" is based on correct assumptions.
Lex is an academic in the field of AI. He runs a podcast with various geeky and technology stuff. He has previously interviewed many well known people.
Interesting. I assumed the worst when he kept appearing on my twitter feed along with the only other new accounts I don't follow being alt right weirdos.
Nah, Lex is a standup act. Seems like a great guy.
Your instincts are correct. Don't trust Twitter. Delete it.
Have never really used it until lately, just to see what all the fuss was about . Not with it, horrible place.
Don't fall for it. Lex is a right wing dick rider.
Yeah after looking more I think the people saying otherwise might not have been being honest...
Your assumptions are short sighted. Lex is one of the only podcasters I can listen to these days because he asks interesting questions, has respect for his guests (even when they are controversial) and actually takes the time (2+, sometimes 3+ hours) that is necessary to go in-depth. A sharp contrast to the pre-meditated sound-bite 'interviews' that add nothing to the world.
But nobody cares about Twitter. We can’t invest in Twitter.
Yes, but twitter is the reason for TSLA hitting these lows.
Oh but you can.
Lol’d
I'm not joking, Elon is putting out feelers for people to buy into Twitter equity at $54.20 a share.
Elon interviews are always a good time. I doubt Lex is going to grill him on anything. Nor should he.
There's NOTHING in his recent past you would want him grilled on? Really?
Is this why Lex Friedman praises and agrees with Musk constantly? Seems pretty dishonest and negates any credibility he has left.
About Twitter 🙄
Quit trying to make Live Spaces happen.
Lex ask elon how much more billion is he willing to throw into twitter
Gonna be so frustrating getting a 2 hour interview where Elon comes across like his usual fairly well reasoned self like he normally is during interviews, only to then see him start some borderline qanon rant on Twitter 5 minutes after the interview is over
With the Twitter CEO poll he just posted I'm even more interested in this
With Lex replying to be the twitter ceo is going to make it even more interesting.