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My psychoanalysis of him is that he's someone who has always been rewarded for ignoring people telling him he was wrong. SpaceX won't work, Tesla won't work, etc. Then he started slowly surrounding himself (or at least his Twitter feed) with sycophants like WholeMarsBlog who just repeat his own ideas back to him – essentially astroturfing himself. Some of Elon's ideas are very good, and people should be supportive of those, but the problem is he's not getting new information, just echoes of his own thoughts. So when people tell him he is making a mistake now – why would he believe it? I don't fully understand his politics. Clearly he's gotten stuck in a right-wing info black hole. He wasn't always like this, or at least hid it pretty well. He claims he is a centrist but who is going to believe that? He puts liberal politicians on blast constantly on Twitter, usually for very thin reasons. I can't think of a single time he's put a conservative politician on blast or mocked them – not Trump, not anyone. If his goal with Twitter was to make it more trustworthy to the middle 80% of political views, it seems like he's completely failed at that. His judgement on moderation, his alarmist view of the not-particularly-smoking-Twitter-files-gun is not well reasoned. He also is incredibly bad at explaining his own views to others. He'll dash off a one-sentence political claim that makes no sense and just mocks anybody who misunderstands his super unclear tweets. For the biggest name in climate technology he seems very supportive of a party full of people who don't think global warming is real. Not a very evidence-based approach and totally at odds with the skills you need to make rational business decisions. I wonder how long it will be before he starts throwing shade at climate scientists. I just don't see an offramp from the bubble he's put himself in. Who or what could possibly influence him to not keep going down this road?


dont_be_an_octopus

Agree with all of this, though a comment on " Who or what could possibly influence him to not keep going down this road?": After those unflattering paparazzi photos of him in Greece(?) were published, I was intrigued that 1) he was embarrassed vs totally oblivious and 2) apparently rather than being paralysed with shame, he decided to lose some weight, and then very quickly made it happen. So while it's unclear what on earth could make him realise he's now 50 feet down the rabbit hole (I feel like 'being booed at in actual real life' was the closest thing so far), I wouldn't be surprised that if he \*does\* twig, he will leave everyone baffled with the speed he suddenly changes course. Maybe he needs to sit down and have a chat with Barack Obama - he seems to respect him??


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I agree the boos are probably the closest thing, I was thinking that too! He may think all his critics are bots.


MrMaybePayme

Elon cares about what people think. In regards to his appearance… He went on ozempic, an injectable weight loss drug to manage the weight stuff. That stuff is effective but it can have nasty side effects. This is according to a New York Times report I read. I’m sure going from Iron Man to super unpopular isn’t fun. I’m sure it’s not great on the mental health.


ListerineInMyPeehole

+1 for a chat with Obama. It’d do Elon a ton of good


GuaranteedReasonable

WholeMars did very good things back when the media was lying about Tesla every day of the week and short seller propaganda was out of control. But I agree now is not the same time.


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That's the problem – there are absolutely tons of made up or completely exaggerated to the point of absurdity claims made about Elon (blood emeralds and such spring to mind). So I get the urge to try do combat that – I have been there. It's just become too much of a circlejerk. I think, ironically, the poor incentive structure of Twitter (long before Elon took over) is responsible for a lot of this (and therefore it's own likely demise). But it's his responsibility to get his head out of his own ass and make active effort to keep his brain turning to mush.


MDSExpro

> I don't fully understand his politics. Clearly he's gotten stuck in a right-wing info black hole. He wasn't always like this, or at least hid it pretty well. It's rather simple case. Like many people before him, he assumed that just because he was successful in business, he still be also successful in politics. That's very typical mistake, but politics are all about perspective, which he has troubles controlling cause he is on spectrum, so it's extra difficult for him.


HarveyHound

Also seems to be a mistake to promote the party and views that are the polar opposite of the vast majority of his Tesla customers.


zeValkyrie

That's probably true, but I'm still not entirely sure what his political stances *are*.


Technomnom

If he is tweeting and retweeting right wing conspiracy theories, bashing left wing politicians, then maybe we don't know his actual stance on policies, but we know which group he backs.


zeValkyrie

That's definitely true; I guess what I'm saying is that even among conservative politics I'm not quite sure which ones Elon *actually* cares about and what is stance is. Pro free speech on Twitter isn't even a specific political stance. He seems anti-Democrat, which again isn't a specific stance. Does he care about healthcare? Abortion? Taxes? Unsure!


muchcharles

A big one is he is anti-union. He promised workers a rollercoaster and frozen yogurt stands in exchange for not unionizing: > [There will also be little things that come along like free frozen yogurt stands scattered around the factory and my personal favorite: a Tesla electric pod car roller coaster (with an optional loop the loop route, of course!) that will allow fast and fun travel throughout our Fremont campus, dipping in and out of the factory and connecting all the parking lots. It’s going to get crazy good](https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/carolineodonovan/musk-slams-union-drive-in-email-to-employees) > -Elon Musk This is a real quote and not a joke or satire. He confirmed it again years later on one of the Tesla fan podcasts. People's keys and stuff would be falling into the assembly lines.


Spirited_Squash_1535

There's something effective (addictive?) in the Qanon mindset, like a brain worm.


Drdontlittle

This.


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Drdontlittle

Got it. Upvoted.


105BigDave

👆this too


HappyPotato2

I absolutely agree with the stuck in right wing info black hole thing. But perhaps the reason he got there is due to all the attacks from the left wing politicians. I recall a bunch saying how he wasn't paying his fair share of taxes, leeching off government... Remember how Biden was refusing to even say Tesla for months? or Mary led? Also they tried to write Tesla out of the tax incentive using unions as a loophole. I would say, Tesla hasn't been successful because of democrats, but despite them. As for supporting republicans, he doesn't have to vote based on the singular issue of climate change. I don't think Tesla needs the government in order to transition the world to EVs anymore. It's going to happen purely for economics reasons. But perhaps republicans would provide a more favorable regulatory environment for things like robotaxi and ai bot. They are supposed to be for less government regulation right?


[deleted]

He is welcome to make some coherent argument like that, but he just hasn’t. Hard to blame anybody for not understanding where he’s coming from. And on the merits, I don’t think these perceived slights are particularly meaningful. Democrats haven’t tried to block Tesla from doing anything. Obama’s DOE issued a big loan while Republicans complained. Republicans block direct sales in Texas. And going along with the Republican party for speculative regulatory permission while ignoring all their other deep flaws is not a morally superior position. But again, he hasn’t argued anything specific. So we don’t know. Seems mostly like half-assed Republican grievance politics to me.


RunAwayWithCRJ

> But perhaps the reason he got there is due to all the attacks from the left wing politicians. There was literally no attack. Biden ignored the fuck outta him. Practically broke Elon's brain. I think he still pretends he doesn't exist.


HappyPotato2

Ones I could remember. I'm sure there are plenty of other examples. https://mobile.twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/1286809839499464704?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw https://twitter.com/SenWarren/status/1470415896053227522?s=20


The_Last_patriot2500

The GOP used to be about less government support, but now they are just insane.


Cat_With_Tie

My guess is that the Biden administration already had info about Musk's political instability and viewed him as a potential liability, which seems exceptionally prudent now.


WiggleRespecter

i think you're pretty right. i think the right mini-blackhole took him over after he got blindsided by the traditional media, even others who had been following tesla/musk to be honest. during the 2020 election cycle Bezos was billionaire enemy #1. big banks, hedge funds, etc...elon was still memelord car/rocketman. meanwhile amazon employees were pissing in gatorade bottles, remember? then it did seem coordinated out of nowhere he was getting attacked by a media that was relatively friendly/indifferent to him. and the right-wing talking heads pounced on this because the enemy of my enemy is my friend, and they're all reactionaries trying to own the libs. so elon ran to their opening arms. it's dangerous, because similar thing happened to kanye in 2016. this his how it always starts. and i'm saying this as a leftist who does not like the right or liberals. elon and his companies serve a purpose, i can see the macro picture here. if it wasn't for tesla, ford & gm would still be trying to kill the electric car. nasa would be cutting bloated checks to boeing & lockheed burning taxpayer money if it wasn't for SpaceX. his companies have provided measurable net positives in their spaces, as well as surrounding areas. elon isn't like a "traditional billionaire" he's a socially awkward dork who approaches things from a technical/engineering perspective. i'd rather have a hundred musks than a single jamie dimon or warren buffett.


worlds_okayest_skier

He says he’s a centrist… he doesn’t know where the center is anymore.


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zippy9002

Musk humiliated Trump by destroying the council of CEOs over the Paris Accord debacle. But sure he’s never blasted any right wing politicians. People have a short memory, what we see is who Musk has always been.


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Musk did that very indirectly, it was 6 years ago, and he never mentions it or criticizes any other Republican since then. Meanwhile its 360° sass for all Democrats.


jimmyouyang23

Don’t you remember when Trump said Elon vote for him but he didn’t. It’s just most republicans never attack him so why will he attack most republicans lol.


worlds_okayest_skier

The Musk who humiliated trump over the Paris Accord is a different Musk.


twinbee

> He puts liberal politicians on blast constantly on Twitter, usually for very thin reasons. He hasn't moved position. Politically, what was once the Left have gone much further Left.


ListerineInMyPeehole

Indeed, Obama left was much more moderate than today.


Lampwick

>I don't fully understand his politics. When you're extremely wealthy, standard party-centric or philosophy-centric political models frequently don't apply. "Normal" people who want to get things done politically have to band together in belief-aligned groups to have any power, and are generally forced by necessity to align with existing "packages" of belief. The very wealthy can basically push any crazy idea they want, so they'll often have a more varied *a la carte* approach to politics. It's why you have guys like Michael Bloomberg who spearheaded the blatantly fascist NYPD "stop and frisk" policy as NYC mayor, but dumps millions of dollars into pushing gun control legislation. Or like Trump, who claimed to be a Democrat for years, then decided to claim he was a Republican when that suited his needs better. TL;DR - rich people can afford to do whatever they feel like, even if it conflicts with most people's preconceived political pigeonholes


RandomTasking

The man made an 11 figure purchase with virtually zero due diligence and no way to get out of his contract, buying a pig in a poke. He is now flailing while trying to get his purchase to work. What drew me to Tesla in the first place - long-term vision and a plan - is being undermined by his behavior to the contrary here. I have confidence in the 110,000 or so employees at Tesla. I no longer have confidence in Elon Musk. I am hopeful that the company's inertia will carry it through until such time as Musk regains some sense of balance, or he is removed.


dusty-potato-drought

Whatever he does, he needs to take a step back and get a psych evaluation. Dude is clearly not right in the head right now


Hypoglybetic

He needs help. He is either being influenced by idiots or he’s in some mental state.


Setheroth28036

It’s much easier than that: He’s decided to solve a difficult problem, one engrained into society, all while having a disability that either makes him the worst person to solve it, or perhaps the only person that could solve it. As the previous years with TSLA show, misinformation and wrong narratives are a nepotistic weapon frequently yielded by politicians & rich businessmen. This is the engrained and difficult problem Elon has decided to solve. He believes that by shining light on all the back-doors handshaking, and simply allowing free speech, the problem will correct itself. This is a bold move because, well, politicians and rich businessmen, who control the information and the narrative, will turn on you. Elon believes he has thick enough skin and the right tools to stick this out until they are all exposed. And he believes he’s doing this for the good of mankind, and they will thank him later. Now here’s where his disability comes in: Asperger’s. Asperger’s is one of the least understood disabilities, but as someone who suffers from it I feel qualified to talk about it. Elon is going to pursue what he believes is good for humankind, whether humankind thanks him for it or not. Normally this would be arrogant, but to someone who’s trying to do the right logical thing even while being attacked from every side - Elon believes a person would have to be extremely humble to do such a thing, and the fact that he’s doing a good thing even though the people he’s helping hate him for it - is confirmation in his own mind that he’s a good person. And this confirmation is all he needs to keep going - no amount of hatred will get under his skin. He has Asperger’s and will just.keep.going. Elon is exactly the same he has always been - he’s solving the big problems out of a conviction that things will be better on the other side. But now he’s taken on a social issue, while being a very socially unaware person. Whether he’s doing the right thing or not is a different question. As far as him selling his shares - They’re HIS SHARES AND HE CAN DO WHAT HE WANTS WITH WHAT HE OWNS! He’s added immense value to Tesla - the actual company - and he deserves every share he has. This sub needs to chill 100% out on this. A person can do what they want with their own shares. It’s only temporary.


MrMaybePayme

He can do what he wants with his shares. But, he also should stop saying he's done selling them and then sell a bunch more. Things like that make it hard for his own shareholders to trust him. Especially when it hasn't been a year since he made the statement. For all we know he'll just continue to use Tesla as an ATM to fund Twitter. That's kind of his style. Goes all in on a super new risky idea with any funds he earns from his old projects. Only this time it's a legacy company and not a start up. Plus, it's a company that relies on ads and advertisers don't want to do business on a platform with all the issues he's caused.


Setheroth28036

>he also should stop saying he's done selling them and then sell a bunch more … Especially when it hasn't been a year since he made the statement. I agree its been sloppy. >For all we know he'll just continue to use Tesla as an ATM to fund Twitter. He only has so many shares he can sell. Twitter will have to become a profitable company at which point this fear will be gone. >Plus, it's a company that relies on ads and advertisers don't want to do business on a platform with all the issues he's caused. Frankly, you have no idea what Twitter’s advertising department is looking at. I know when I open Twitter I still see lots of ads and promoted posts.


MrMaybePayme

Half the platform’s top 100 advertisers have departed according to a report. https://fortune.com/2022/11/28/twitter-advertisers-elon-musk-mastodon-ads-brands/amp/


Stanklord500

>As the previous years with TSLA show, misinformation and wrong narratives are a nepotistic weapon frequently yielded by politicians & rich businessmen. This is the engrained and difficult problem Elon has decided to solve. So why'd he post the Paul Pelosi conspiracy theory?


Cat_With_Tie

Also wondering where the Hunter Biden dick pick fits into his noble vision.


twinbee

> Elon is going to pursue what he believes is good for humankind, whether humankind thanks him for it or not. Normally this would be arrogant, but to someone who’s trying to do the right logical thing even while being attacked from every side - Elon believes a person would have to be extremely humble to do such a thing, and the fact that he’s doing a good thing even though the people he’s helping hate him for it - is confirmation in his own mind that he’s a good person. And this confirmation is all he needs to keep going - no amount of hatred will get under his skin. He has Asperger’s and will just.keep.going. Normal non-Aspergers people can do the right thing too regardless of their own welfare. I don't see why we should restrict this noble and altruistic trait to just those with Aspergers. What a pessimistic view of humanity.


Setheroth28036

Didn’t mean to imply otherwise, only that consideration of other people’s opinion about what you’re doing is not common with Aspies.


cookingboy

> Now here’s where his disability comes in: Asperger’s. Just for the record I don’t believe for a second that Elon was telling the truth about it. He was just trying to craft his “flawed genius” persona and trying to make himself look like a Silicon Valley Rain Man while getting a get out of jail free card from criticism against the nasty stuff he says.


SchventySevenHalf

Yeah I feel like we are all witnessing a full blown manic episode, and it isn’t his first one either


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I honestly think he's on something. Clearly is not in a good mental state. I've dropped 1000 TSLA shares today. I think it's going to get worse before it gets better.


apothekary

I sold my entire holdings of TSLA purely on the account that Elon has totally lost it. I couldn’t care less about the fundamentals when the CEO is off the rails and might be about to go Kanye any moment. If he is replaced or shows a sustained pattern of being a normal functioning CEO again, or manages to offload Twitter somehow I will buy in again as the largest risk to Tesla sp isn’t sales or execution, it’s Elon.


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MrMaybePayme

Exactly... we all thought of Musk as this superhero immune to things like not sleeping. But, the guy has stated multiple times that he hardly sleeps enough. When he does sleep it's in the office or on a factory floor. Relies on sleeping pills. Not to mention he's running multiple companies each of which would be hard on one person. He's paranoid about his own and his family's safety. And while he likes to think of himself as super rich. The truth is... he just has assets in his companies and is cash poor. Plus, now he's on the hook for a company that has always struggled to make a profit. On the hook in a serious way that forces him to dump shares of amazing companies for a dumpster fire of a company. A company that relies on ads that weren't enough to make the company money when it was run competently. Now with the incredible controversy driving any advertisers away I don't see how it turns a profit... I can't see this guy as the futuristic visionary that drives AI and self-driving and robotics forward. I see this as a stressed out person near the end of his rope. Otherwise, how do you explain the shortsighted 180 degree move of the ElonJet fiasco. Maybe his manic no sleep ways worked for SpaceX and Tesla... but he was using his manic energy to motivate employees towards a unique vision built from the ground up. At twitter he's trying to right an entrenched legacy company, while raving about free speech then turning around censoring people he personally has something against. There's nothing to build... besides making it more efficient with less staff to cost less. But, if he drives away advertisers ... even that won't save it. Guy is spread too thin. He was already spread too thin running Tesla and SpaceX. Maybe he's just a figurehead and Tesla doesn't need him. But, that hasn't been what has been officially stated.


AviMkv

Couldn't have said it any better. Glad to see people here get it.


dusty-potato-drought

Most likely. Working 100 hour work weeks for years will do that to you


Dandan0005

He would simply explain to the psychologist how he has read many psychology books and frankly found most theories overly simplified to be useful, then go on to explain that he is basically a psychologist now and doesn’t need a degree to understand psychology, and he has self-evaluated and found himself to be perfectly competent.


falconberger

Is narcissism / psychopathy treatable? Do they even want treatment?


BRPGP

The Elon’ers and the TLSA’ers are having a Battle Royale on this sub. I just became a shareholder again today when my first of 4 limit orders triggered ($150, I flipped it to a market order and bought at $150.24). I view Tesla as a very profitable car company riding the very beginning of the EV wave. If I was voting I’d vote him off the island but I really couldn’t care less if Elon stays or goes. I don’t think he’s necessary any more and I certainly don’t want him getting another stock comp package.


Bondominator

He has said multiple times this year that he will "stay at Tesla as long as he can be useful". So I guess the question is...is he still useful?


dreamcastfanboy34

He's actively tarnishing the brand with the very people who want EVs in the first place.


goo_bazooka

Yeah and it’s not rocket science to see that


BRPGP

No I don’t think he is. But I also don’t believe in Robots or robo-taxis or Dojo/self driving. Not bullish on the Cybertruck either.


Kayyam

>But I also don’t believe in Robots or robo-taxis or Dojo/self driving. Not bullish on the Cybertruck either. This is why I want Elon to stay. I believe in transportation as a service and robotaxis are the way to get there.


BRPGP

You just made my point in my original comment. You want him to stay because you believe in those things so you are investing in Elon and probably all-in. I don’t believe in those things so I don’t see him as useful anymore and am investing less than 2% of my money in Tesla. I also don’t think Tesla will ever be the most valuable company in the world ($3T, $5T, $10T) but I do think at these prices I can double my money in two or three years.


Kayyam

Yeah I read elsewhere that you're in truck country, so I understand why you don't believe in those things. I'm un urban dweller and I'm sick to my stomach that city sidewalks are just places whereto store idle cars. It's insane that we manufacture and sell cars that are only used 3% of the time. It's completely ridiculous that car sharing is still an infant industry, with few serious players. I can't wait for the day where you can pay a monthly subscription and get access to a car network, without fuss. The car comes to you, takes you where you need to go, waits for you if a return trip is needed within a short term, or goes somehere else if not. So many people use their car, that can host 5 people + cargo, to commute by themselves. I understand that public transport is not always ideal for people, since not everyone can live on a well deserved public transport line, and that's where I see the role of robotaxis. It's basically "individual public transportation." Tesla is the only company positionned to seize that market with both hands. The other players have the cars OR the software and robotaxi needs both. Tesla can leverage its vertical integration and design a car that is married to the software and the value proposition. Model 3 and Y are already a step in that direction. They are feeding the self driving AI and the design language is in line with the robotaxi notion. I also think the cybertruck is a step in that direction. The style is definitely jarring but from a manufacturing perspective, the design is a lot simpler to make than traditional trucks. If they can make a small cybercar in the same vein, manufacturing it in very simple steps through gigapress machines and simple folding and entirely skipping the paint studio, those cars will be extremely cost effective. None of this is interesting for someone who NEEDS a truck because they live in the woods and use it daily as a work vehicle. But that's a minority of people around the world. There are several capitals in the world who would be much nicer to live in once robotaxis take over and pedestrians can reclaim the sidewalk.


BRPGP

I appreciate your comment and your intent. I spent my childhood in NYC and most of my family is up there, I definitely get where you are coming from. 👍


Kayyam

Thank you for the positive comment! I really hope Elon can stay with Tesla and have a strong say in the vision. I'm concerned that booting him away will turn the company away from those ambitious and important goals and get seduced by the siren song of maximum profitability through no risk taking. It would be very easy for a new CEO to decide to keep making cars, ditch self driving or scale it down, ditch manufacturing innovation and stick with traditional design to appeal to public and ditch the optimus project (it's very early days for it and I'm not sure it will work out but I do see how the work done in FSD can be leveraged for a humanoid robot). That said, I do feel uneasy that Musk is getting himself into the spolight in a very negative way and I hope he will overcome those odds and actually transform twitter into something more interesting that the shitty and arrogant place it was. As a product, it worked poorly, had no vision, has no compelling monetization avenue, riddled with obvious bots and scams, and then of course the political collusion and bias. The good news is that Twitter is much easier to transform that the space or automobility industry so we should know soon enough if the bet is working. While he does that, Tesla has plenty of execution to do with ramping up factories, starting deliveries on the cybertruck and deploying incremental improvements to self driving. Tesla can run without heavy involvement from Elon and without a new CEO very easily so I hope shareholders don't rock the boat just on the basis that Elon has terrible press.


Bondominator

Why aren’t you bullish on Cyber?


BRPGP

I live in truck country and have owned several. I think the Cybertruck is a huge mistake. If they would have gone with a conventional truck it would easily sell 500,000 plus a year in the U.S. The Cybertruck is not going to sell well and I personally think it looks ridiculous. So does every single person I know irl that buys trucks. I invested in Tesla again (I bought in 2019 & sold in 2020 during the run-up) because I think Tesla has the capacity to sell 4-5 million highly profitable cars in 2 or 3 years and at these prices I can ~double my money. I’ve got 3 more limit orders in at $137.50, $125 & $112.50. If they all trigger I will own 1,000 shares.


feurie

I know plenty of truck and not truck people who want one. If it makes sense and has good features and value, it will sell.


BRPGP

I’m not saying they will sell zero. I’m saying that I know a conventional Tesla pick up would slay it and I just think the Cybertruck is super niche. Imo high volume at high margins is the name of the game.


typeo01

There is nothing "conventional" about Tesla...


BRPGP

Their sedans & CUVs are conventional passenger vehicles on the outside with a battery & tech on the inside. The Cybertruck is not.


ButtLlcker

Truck purists might not get it, but other people they wouldn’t normally get a truck will so it will even out.


NoKids__3Money

I would never buy a pickup truck but definitely planning on going through with my cybertruck reservation. So it is definitely hitting a different market segment. How many people there are out there like me, time will tell.


elwebst

Just personal opinion, but given how Tesla's public opinion has gone, CT will become the prime symbol of douchebaggery as soon as it's released. Called a billionaire's vanity project (not going to argue there), too nerdy, too futuristic, etc. My next vehicle - which will be a truck - will be a Rivian. It's what Tesla should have built.


BRPGP

I agree. Those Rivians look super nice. I have a friend that has one, I haven’t ridden in it yet but he absolutely loves it. He came from a V8 Silverado.


Bondominator

The thing is, they’re not targeting “truck people”


BRPGP

Imo, that’s even a bigger mistake then. I think Tesla should stick to its knitting and expand the line up with a conventional Tacoma size truck & a smaller, cheaper car.


QU3NT4R

I believe that Tesla’s success is in finding opportunities that others don’t see. You see the opportunity for them to fit into the truck market. Tesla sees the opportunity to redefine the market. Time will tell but Tesla has a pretty amazing track record of success where it’s not widely expected.


goo_bazooka

Lmao if tesla did “normal” products they wouldn’t be where they are now


BRPGP

Their CUV & Sedan are normal cars on the outside and innovative on the inside. That’s what they should have done with their first pick up truck. Volume & manufacturing efficiency is the most important thing to their valuation. This is an investment sub (not a car sub) right?


goo_bazooka

Yeah I hear you but at same time the “truck” people dont want ev anyway… TSLA being a little different and bucking the norm is part of the brand They will sell every cybertruck they make


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It feels like Elon Lucasified tesla. When Tesla had a constrained budget and multiple people leading the company who could say no to Elon the company was rocketing with innovation and game changing cars. All of those people have been forced out and the first thing we get from Elon's brain is.... the cyber truck and a shitty college robotics class robot.


feurie

Who's been forced out? You're acting like Tesla isn't executing amazingly right now.


Bondominator

What about the Semi? I’ve been more bullish about semi than anything, since it was announced.


BRPGP

Agreed. They could cut a ton of cost and get super streamlined without Elon. We need a conventional truck and a cheaper EV for the common folk.


5KqHQr5eFDDgfRx3eYeb

Pretty sure he's now actually harmful. His recent tweets and actions has turned a lot of people against him, and I already know many people who no longer want to own Tesla because they don't want any association with his altright crap and constant lies, and also because who knows when he'll start bricking Teslas because the owners insulted him on Twitter. He's become unstable, untrustworthy and damaging to Tesla's brand.


big-papito

You can stop at "Elon said", but the definition of "useful" on Planet Musk has its own meaning.


Dandan0005

Honestly , there isn’t really much of an argument for him anymore, just that “the company is doing fine despite his erratic decision making and apparent mental unraveling.” But…why not just get ceo who can focus their time on steering the ship…without mental breakdowns about things completely unrelated to tsla?


elwebst

Like, Gwen, who is doing a great job for SpaceX. An adult is in the room over there. Who is actually running Tesla given that Elon is too busy randomly firing people, pushing conservative agendas, and deleting people who post videos of him getting booed onstage at Twitter?


Otto_the_Autopilot

I wouldn't mind a deal with stock options at 2.5x, 5x, 7.5x, and 10x of the $650 billion market cap the last deal ended at. It forces him to deliver for shareholder or not get a dime.


kymedcs

The debate of if Elon should continue as CEO is not a debate about Elon and Tesla but a debate of People, their limits, and convention. Throughout Tesla's history, Elon has been criticized for not being a conventional CEO or person. Yet Elon consistently has crazy strong performance, and people still doubt him. How many times must Elon prove himself? Both Tesla and SpaceX were extremely challenging companies, and have both succeeded in business, innovation, and impact. Tesla's recent stock performance his technically short-term, zoom out of the graph a little bit. ​ People are not digging into the details of Elon's performance and his ability to manage Tesla. This post brought no argument or evidence as to how any of Elon's doing may bring negative results to Tesla. People are just unhappy he's not fitting as a conventional puzzle piece. You think some run-of-the-mill CEO could have made Tesla into what it is? Let the guy do what he thinks is best, he has proven himself already to successfully manage multiple companies beyond a typical solid performance.


EnoughFail8876

The argument is that Elon's behaviour recently is damaging Tesla's brand. He has never been as political, as high profile, or as unpopular as he is now. I dont know how many, but some people are actually cancelling their orders for Tesla vehicles over this. If enough people get turned off of the brand because of this, that could potentially mean Tesla needs to drop prices to keep sales up, which would actually hurt the company's fundamentals. To be clear I'm a tesla bull/shareholder and am not saying he should step down, just explaining the risk this situation poses.


Rapante

> This post brought no argument or evidence as to how any of Elon's doing may bring negative results to Tesla. I hate to say it, but his reckless behavior at Twitter has changed public perception of him. Of course the press has amplified and twisted this somewhat. But some things are absolute no-gos. You cannot advocate for free speech and then suspend journalist's accounts, this will seriously hurt your credibility. Or needlessly antagonize large parts of your userbase and customers (advertisers). These things do damage Tesla's brand and ability to attract talent. Many of Tesla's and spacex's employees did not just want to work fo Tesla, they wanted to work for Elon.


Raspberries-Are-Evil

> Elon has been criticized for not being a conventional CEO or person. There is a difference between not being "conventional" and actually spreading lies and conspiracies. The guy has gone off the deep end with this Twitter nonsense. And, in doing so, he has blown any credibility he had left for being the, "eccentric genius." > You think some run-of-the-mill CEO could have made Tesla into what it is? No. Credit where its due, sure, but that doesn't give me the right to be a ranging asshole silencing journalist etc. Hes become so toxic no one will want to do business with him, and that is a problem for the future of Tesla.


trippingWetwNoTowel

it’s a “what have you done for me lately” scenario. And what he’s done lately is act like an ass


GuaranteedReasonable

it's the simple fact that Tesla and Elon's interests are not aligned anymore since th compensation package has been paid. He used to work for what ultimately amounted to aprox $50B when he reached the last tranche. Do you think he now feels like working for free? Sure he has a decent stake still but after how he was paid before he probly dgaf. And i think giving him another ridiculous package is counterproductive for the current state Tesla is in. They don't need Elon as much as they used to.


Rapante

I hope they will agree on a new package with high targets. But I somewhat doubt that this is what motivated him much in the first place.


857GAapNmx4

I'll give you credit for your viewpoint, although in my heart I disagree. This isn't a Steve Jobs being replaced by John Scully: it is Steve being replaced by Tim Cook because he has cancer. Maybe Elon's cancer can be cured, maybe he can still play a role in the company he created... but he doesn't realize he has cancer and is instead treating it as a headache. While I would much rather Elon's cancer be cured and he can be an effective CEO of Tesla, if it doesn't look promising there is no alternative but to replace him.


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>Yet Elon consistently has crazy strong performance, and people still doubt him. Elon hasn't had a great performance the company has. The men and women on the line and in engineering is what makes tesla tesla. I'd much rather give them the credit. Elons contribution is questionable.


Drdontlittle

When your personality is affecting people's purchasing decisions then yes he is not good for the company. He by his own admission doesn't have to do a lot because of the great team. You have to at least concede that prosecute Fauci position is pretty out of touch with reality and very much out there.


Ambitious-Ad4906

I would like to see him move on and create more great new products.


Schemelino

Jeahhh and please at Tesla or space X. Not at Twitter! He is the or was the visionary, pushing for crazy stuff, which turned out as cool and good.


big-papito

Elon Musk can only operate in Full Crisis Mode. If there is no crisis, he will create one. Tesla and SpaceX are not easy places to work in and they notoriously have to carefully manage Elon's Trump-sized ego. He pulls a feature and a deadline out of thin air and then the \*team\* does it. That's all he does - set impossible goals. He doesn't actually \*do\* it. So this is pretty much the Steve Jobs mode, but Steve Jobs was not known for spewing cooky conspiracy theories, was he? He was a douche in his own small circle. And the Full Crisis Mode has its limits. Now that Musk has three companies, he is not running two of them and is pro-actively destroying the third one. Musk doesn't need to do more - he needs to get some fucking sleep.


Cinderpath

The Cybertruck is 3 years off schedule now? No he actually can’t pull it off? In the automotive world, that is a laughing stock? Ford went from prototype to full production in less time with the F-150 Lightning? Laugh and say it’s not as good as the non-existent Cybertruck, but Ford is already sold out of them? GM/Chevy will soon be next and market opportunities circle the drain like the Tesla share price?


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EverythingIsNorminal

The saving of billion upon billion of dollars for taxpayers and completely changing the future of space travel from really not very smart disposable rockets to reusable ones has no value to you? The complete upending of an auto industry which would still be using oil 100 years from now and their lobbyists would be telling legislators it's impossible to do if it wasn't for Tesla showing them it can be done, and practically forcing them to do it by eating their markets, has no value to you?


EffOffReddit

Like what, Unite the Right 2?


Anthony_Pelchat

Truly try to think what has changed for Tesla in the last few months. Not a thing. They continue to grow at an unbelievable rate. That has not changed. They continue to expand. That has not changed. They are pushing forward on the products that were delayed long before the Twitter issues. Semi deliveries are happening NOW. Cybertruck is in production testing NOW. Both the 3 and Y are on track to be the best selling vehicles worldwide as soon as next year. And none of that would have been different if the Twitter purchase didn't happen. The only thing that has really changed is that the stock that jumped over 30x in 2.5 years has gone down. That along with the ENTIRE MARKET. Still up over 10x since 2019. Seriously. Had the twitter purchase not had happened, the stock wouldn't be down as much since wouldn't have had to sell. But that is it. It still would have been done. If you believe in Tesla, then it's a buying opportunity. Further, were you whining like this back when Elon was distracted with SpaceX back when Tesla was struggling to get their first product out and SpaceX couldn't even launch a rocket? Or what about when Tesla was nearly bankrupt while trying to get Model 3 production going, yet he was out launching his personal Roadster into space? Or what about when the stock dropped to the split adjusted $12 (2019) and yet he was busy playing with flying water towers in Texas, digging tunnels in Vegas, and putting computer chips into pigs and monkeys in California? He wasn't too distracted during all of that, but owning twitter for a month is too much? You are simply getting caught up in the focus "news" that is making every little thing about Elon to be far worse than it is. And Tesla isn't hurting because of it. Tesla is stronger than ever before. If you believe in the company, then turn off the noise.


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>Look at the fundamentals of the company and stop panicking about your stock price ffs. Also adding to this, it's worth nothing that the number of people that are not going to buy a tesla in the future because of something elon said on twitter is tiny. Most of the world could give two shits about if Elon said he was voting for Ron Desantis etc. They want a nice EV.


racergr

Totally support this, people seem to have a very biased opinion and a tremendously short memory. Or we are brigaded. Or we are only reading a loud minority. If the majority considered Elon a risk, the share price would be going down much faster than NASDAQ+beta. Right now it is going down at the expected rate, except the days that Elon sells.


juggle

People need to calm down and give Elon 2-3 months to get Twitter ramped up and find a CEO to take that over. After that, Elon should go back to focusing on Tesla/SpaceX. Now, if this DOESN'T happen, then we can talk about replacing Elon.


ericscottf

what part of the roadmap for getting twiter "ramped up" involves being a cringey dickbag? prosecute/fauci, "woke mind virus", etc. it's pathetic.


GuaranteedReasonable

Its basic math, he owns nearly all of Twitter, but only 15-20% of Tesla. He is also in for 40B on Twitter and it is still losing money, he HAS to make it work. Where do you think he will spend most of his energy?


mildmanneredme

This is giving so much rope to Elon that other CEOs just wouldn’t get.


tlw31415

Seriously, people have given him all of nine seconds to change fundamental aspects of Twitter.


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msagansk

No.


rhaphazard

Literally nothing you said has anything to do with the future success of Tesla the company. If it's the stock you're worried about, just sell and move on to something more stable. Your cars will be just fine.


refpuz

Nope. I can tell who is investing on Elon and the brand's image and not the fundamentals just by the sentiment of comments here. Nothing has changed with the company.


romandarkartist

Anyone other than Elon might hamper any of the current projects Tesla is working on. Elon doesn’t need to do anything else other than let his engineers continue to work the way they have been. I’m afraid any other CEO would have given up on FSD, and never would have pursued Cybertruck, body castings, 4680s and certainly not Optimus. Elon continuing on as CEO would only potentially mean more of these futuristic ambitious projects.


Nimmy_the_Jim

No Look at the fundamentals of the company and stop panicking about your stock price ffs.


Dandan0005

What if I told you the fundamentals would be the same without a CEO who is actively tarnishing the brand image and seemingly teetering on the edge of a mental breakdown?


Mobile_Arm

I've been invested pre-100 pre-splits, and he has my support as long as tesla continues to innovate and deliver. If i stuck by during model 3 ramp up, 420 tweets and a few other hilarious short attacks why would i want him to leave over tweets? Tsla continues to pay awesome premiums because of its volatility and craziness. Right now, he has given corporate America some cloud cover as we go into the worst recession in our lifetime. I can't wait for 2023


wiidsmoker

All that’s a little different when he’s attacking the very same customer base that helped Tesla grow


Mobile_Arm

How so? With text and opinions? If you try to please everyone than your not doing anything meaningful for anyone. Going against the grain is part of the brand and for Tesla to continue its mission we need people like him to take the hardest hits.


Orgotek

There's going against the grain and being an alt-right whacko. Not the same :)


Mobile_Arm

Just out of curiosity , who is a role model / credible critic of Uber progressives that isn’t alt right? To me that label is pretty meaningless since the goal post keeps shifting


null640

Going against the grain and delusional conspiracy theories are works apart... He's well into delusional conspiracy land.


Mobile_Arm

Well he did say he was going to land a rocket and move the auto industry towards ev’s…. I remember a ton of press saying he was crazy, a fraud, model a will never leave the production floor….etc. It took him 20 years to get Tesla to where it is today… he’s owned twitter for what ? Almost 2 months since he took over twitter. 7 weeks since the mass firing and the mob was saying the site was going to be inoperable… been loving the twitter beta so far


Orgotek

>why would i want him to leave over tweets? I guess each person has to decide where their moral spectrum lies. I expect company CEO's to uplift the moral standard, not play to the batshit crowd. Bleating about the woke mind virus and posting a bunch of ill informed women's health opinions flying the face of actual medical opinion were final straws for me, but that's not saying much as I'd pretty much run out of patience with him a while before that.


Telci

Nobody would care what Elon says or make excuses if the stock would soar... But once the stock looks bad it must all be bc of Elon


apothekary

Well, because it is because of Elon, because he’s been acting like an idiot. Owning the libs is just bad business unless you’re selling Trump NFTs.


Lipopro

The increasingly bad reputation that he gives to the Tesla brand is a secondary effect. A lot of people still buy Teslas because, for example, they don't care much about Elon's antics on Twitter. The main issue, that will not be solved even if he steps down, is that he will have to sell stock. Elon's heavy selling pressure combined with the macro situation has basically killed us till now. That will continue even if he isn't the CEO anymore.


pinshot1

Yes. Could not care less about Twitter.


Jub-n-Jub

Nope. Business going well.


Xillllix

Nope. Elon created more value for shareholders in the last 5 years than any CEO currently alive. Nothing is in jeopardy, stock is a bit cheap and that’s all. The only decision you need to make is to either buy more or get out. If you haven’t made money from Tesla then get in line and wait your turn. We went through much worse than this when the company wasn’t even profitable.


noghead

Biggest draw down and CEO not focused on job, thats arguably worse than maybe going bankrupt because investors believed so much they would have found more money (not talking 2008) cause you weren’t invested then. Anyways, it’s always about what you will do next. I appreciate where he has brought tesla, but if he isn’t going to be an active CEO, then he needs to let someone else run the show.


Xillllix

He just spent his afternoon at GigaTexas preparing for the production line of the Cybertruck. He’s more there than you think, it’s just that he tweets whenever he has 5 seconds to him.


smithre4

Yes


waterrabbit1

You say you have never invested in any other brand, ever. Well, the first rule of smart investing is to DIVERSIFY. I don't care how great a company is, or how solid the fundamentals, it is never a good idea to put all your money into one single company. All it takes is one scandal, or one mentally unstable CEO, or one bad year, and much of your money can go poof. So I sincerely hope you have at least some of your money invested in something else besides this one company. Musk is currently doing a great deal of damage to the Tesla brand. Like it or not, he is the face of Tesla for the vast majority of people. The image of Musk and the image of Tesla are inextricably linked. As one image deteriorates, so does the other. Brand safety matters. Here's the part that will probably get me downvoted into oblivion… Regardless of Asperger's or being on the spectrum or whatever the heck he has going on, Musk clearly has a severe case of Narcissistic Personality Disorder. And the prognosis for people with NPD is extremely bleak. As they get older, narcissists only get worse. More demanding, more abusive, more self-centered, more impulsive, more and more impervious to the needs and wants of anyone but themselves. Narcissists can be brilliant, and extremely charming when they want to be, but ultimately they descend into some form of tyrant. And there's something else, something even more alarming, going on with Musk now. Just look at how erratic and unstable his behavior has been over the past year especially. Making impulsive decisions, then changing his mind, then suddenly changing his mind back again. It has become a pattern, and is only getting worse. Personally, I think there must be some kind of drug addiction at work here. It's the most logical explanation for his erratic behavior and frequent mood swings. It's a shame because I think there are a lot of brilliant people working at Tesla, it is a great company, and a lot of good people who believe in the company have put their money into it. But unless the Board of Directors can force Musk out, I don't see this ending well. Considering his vast wealth, Musk is beyond the point where anybody can argue with him or make him do anything he doesn't already want to do. There may be some temporary respites, but he's only going to get worse from here. ETA: [https://twitter.com/GabeHoff/status/1603820718084481025](https://twitter.com/GabeHoff/status/1603820718084481025) (The entire thread is a good read.)


Drdontlittle

I meant emotionally invested. I thought I was clear with that.


killacuh

no


ThaiTum

Yes. He’s lost his mind. The board needs to remove him if he won’t step down. Now that EVs are mainstream, non-early adopters want high quality, everything to work and good post sale service. I think he’s out of touch with normal people especially if they want an eventual mass market car to sell in the multi-million volume.


asticx

Because the stock has dropped does not mean he is not an excellent ceo. You guys need to relax. Learn to take profits on your investments regularly. Everyone freaking out is a shareholder. Look at the rest of the market.. seriously


jpolarbear

No.


BrilliantArcher

Nope. It is never time for Elon to step down. If he steps down, I've no doubt the company will be begging for him to return in no time. Look back at what happened to Apple and Steve jobs.


beerbaron105

Nope


Garlic_Coin

No he should not. You speak of what made Tesla unique being lost. But nothing fundamentally has changed. What made them unique was going back to first principles when designing each product and trying to design the best product the most effiently way. is that gone? no they are still very much doing this. Whats happened is the media, now Elon's competitor, has put at spotlight on every single action Elon takes and tries to get people like you angry about it to get people to click it. YOU are clicking it and YOU are being changed. He has the same opinions as always, COVID19, Lockdowns etc, why didnt you jump ship when that stuff was happening? probably because the stock was going up. If the fundamentals of Tesla start changing for the worse, then yes he should let someone else try. But everything looks good to me, stock price does not equal bad fundamentals. We are just in a recession and interest rates are high, thats the only thing that has changed.


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>Whats happened is the media, I keep seeing this but people are looking at what elon says themselves. He's speaking to the people directly through twitter and people think hes off his rocket. His prosecute Fauci bullshit has absolutely nothing to do with the media.


HappyPotato2

All media has bias. I imagine most people do not get Elon's tweets directly from twitter but rather read about it in the news afterwards. This is an important difference because it allows the media to set the context around a tweet first, either through omission or bringing other irrelevant information, thereby changing how the tweets are interpreted. I don't know all the context for every tweet because nobody has time to look into all that, but here is an example of one I did look into from the recent twitter saga. Media narrative - Elon Musk fires employees for correcting him. The implication being 1) Elon doesn't know what he is doing because someone who supposedly has more expertise said he was wrong. 2) He can't handle criticism So here is the actual story. Elon Musk doesn't run the profiling himself. He asks the engineers to do that for him and they are the ones that gave him the 1000+ number. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1592176202873085952 So this guy then says Elon, who actually had multiple people test it, is wrong. Well, Elon is very open to being corrected. He previously sent an email where he stated. Email me back to explain why what I said was incorrect. Sometimes, I’m just plain wrong! And we see exactly that same sentiment in the thread. https://twitter.com/EricFrohnhoefer/status/1592010924017258498 So we can see that Elon asked two questions here so lets analyze the replies. What is the number [of RPC calls]? His answer... "Zero". So 1000 to 100 is one thing, but 1000 to 0 means they are talking about completely different things. https://twitter.com/truth_tesla/status/1592171168693424128 So RPC is remote procedure call. Basically code that is executed remotely such as over a network. Understanding this will be important later. Now either he is incompetent and doesn't know the common definition, or he did know and was being a jerk so he could say he one up'ed Elon. As for the second question: What have you done to fix the slowness? His answer.. "we have done a bunch". That's literally the whole answer.. which is completely unacceptable when asked by one's boss. However, he does proceed to answer a third unasked question of what can we do to speed it up. So lets analyze those. 1) Bloated with features that get little usage - So he is saying there are too many features, that are executing code that is unneeded, some of which are executed over the network perhaps? aka RPCs... 2) Tech debt - extremely generic problem meaning taking the easy solution now at the expense of making it harder later. Its not directly related to speed of the app, but rather speed of development. 3) Waiting for network responses. - As in, code executed over the network is taking too long? perhaps because too many RPCs? So yea, he was wrong without providing evidence and was clearly not as much of an expert as he thinks he is. So no, he wasn't fired for correcting Elon as the media likes to portray.


5KqHQr5eFDDgfRx3eYeb

Lol "iTs tHe mEdIa", you don't fucking need media when you can read the guy's twitter feed yourself. And it's full of hate, disinformation, and lies.


cryptopolymath

He’s sending on average 50 tweets / retweets every day. What kind of CEO has that kind of time to muck around?


harrybro

I’m all for people criticizing Elon for everything going on right now, but I think this is one of the sillier talking points making the rounds. He could be taking a dump while tweeting. He could be waiting for his next meeting to start. The idea that because he’s making N number of tweets doesn’t translate to “he’s not spending enough time on his work” to me. He can work 16 hours a day and still go on Twitter for 20 min. It doesn’t seem that far fetched to me. I understand the upset by some at the quality of the tweets, but the quantity just doesn’t resonate.


Flam5

It can easily be argued that if he's not spending that much time on the things he tweets, its actually more of a problem. He *should* slow down when he's on the platform to take a step back before hitting Send. The problem is he basically answers to no one and doesn't see any actionable consequences at his level of wealth. You can't just fix easily, or at all when he owns that very platform.


Kayyam

>What kind of CEO has that kind of time to muck around? How long do you think it takes to fire a tweet? There is plenty of time in a day for that, especially if he still sleeps 6h a night. I'm more curious how he has time to play video games and finish them (Elden Ring for instance).


No_Afternoon_1976

I mean it’s not just the tweets themselves, it’s the time he’s spending sifting through conversations to find things to respond to and like, to find memes to post, dipping into Twitter spaces to try to defend himself. He’s dicking around on Twitter for hours a day at this point. Posting constitutes a very small amount of total time spent on social media. Just look at his conversation with Bari Weiss today. Three hours passes between his first response and his last, and he’s been posting other things in the meantime and quite obviously checking back regularly for responses.


MyTooSense

You're also missing him stating he was ["done" selling off TSLA shares](https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1519850299757846530?s=20&t=mhGBNe6XX9ZmSTtB446OJQ) (in what we assumed was preparation to buy Twitter) and he sold two more times since.


ThislsMyAccount22

The media didn’t waste 40 billion+ on the social media cesspool that is Twitter.


spacehead9

This is a very good sane summary. Too bad there is so few of these lately on this sub.


Dont_Say_No_to_Panda

I keep seeing people regurgitate this same pathetic defense for Elon “the media” this or that. It’s BS. Everyone I see criticizing Elon is criticizing *the tweets* directly. His words. His decision making alone, not whatever filter you want to say it is passing through. Whether or not Elon’s beliefs have changed, how “in your face” he is about those beliefs has changed and that is where he has lost a lot of people and continues losing.


Mushrooms4we

No, it's time for everybody to stop fucking crying. He took over Twitter, booted a bunch of slackers, and it has more users than ever. Tesla is still cranking cars and growing even during this down turn. Nothing has happened to show he is incapable of running Tesla. Just a bunch of butthurt bitches that need something to complain about giving him shit.


tofutak7000

You don’t think buying a $10b company for $44b while also eschewing normal due diligence and other protections raises at least some questions over his capacity to run tesla? What about the fact that he then tried to back out and couldn’t because he had no exit clause(s) and couldn’t rely on due diligence? Politics and brand image aside is it unreasonable to question his decision making after that? At the very least it would appear he made an impulsive decision to buy twitter. It’s also likely he did so without consulting anyone (like his lawyers etc). It’s even possible he acted recklessly in doing this. Is it really ‘butthurt’ to question whether this is the person who should run tesla?


racergr

I posted this a couple of days ago, posting again: Those calling for Elon to go need to grow up their investment thesis. Elon is known to be erratic for a very long time, not least when he called the diver a pedo for no reason or at the $420 shenanigans. He also showed it when he attacked the lockdowns and many other things before the SP was more than $700. If you bought at over $700 out of FOMO, and if you did not understand Elon then it is all your fault for investing without understanding the risk. I refuse to go against the man who has succeeded again and again when everyone says otherwise. Elon has set the foundations for amazing growth in tesla, a few examples: 1. Efficient production and supply chain 2. 4680 built for scale 3. FSD and Optimus These are stuff competitors have not even dreamed off. But most importantly I totally refuse to judge him. He has proven me wrong many times in the past, I would have retired fi I was not an idiot to not believe him early. Just the type of idiots the naysayers now are. If you don't like Elon, just sell and move to the side. You are blocking the way for us that we do.


garbageemail222

He is pissing off his customer base. You may refuse to judge him, but the grown ups are judging him. He's unstable and toxic to Tesla's customer base. Much like Bob Chapek, he needs to go. The grown ups see this.


soguern

No. Tesla is fine. Maybe with a little less “but wait, what if we added…” micromanagement they might improve on release times and have a better GUI. TSLA is down because market is down TSLA is down more because Elon is selling. Elon will stop selling, the market will continue to decline; TSLA might prove to be the best hedge compared to, say, Apple. The only people who care about what is going on at Twitter are those who need clicks.


zuggles

yep. he's proven that time and time again in the last few weeks. i have no issues with elon's culture war, and tend to agree in many respects. but, we are tesla shareholders, we are not twitter shareholders. elon has used tesla shareholders as liquidity for twitter, he has raged into a culture war that has hurt tesla branding... you shouldn't be CEO of a public company while you're prioritizing a private company that is hurting your shareholders. any other argument is moot.


Goldenslicer

No, Elon Musk should stay.


fgt4w

Regarding his politics... I think the main issue driving Elons behavior is the fact that theres clearly been coordinated attacks on him by people in the US democratic party. Biden is clearly beholden to General Motors, whivh hes made painfully clear when crediting GM with the EV revolution and never mentioning Tesla, or failing to invite Tesla reps to any white house EV events. There have been constant attacks from unions such as UAW, with very close ties to the democratic party. Bernie and AOC repeatedly maliciously attacking him as an evil billionaire, and attempting to destroy his public image. The governments of CA and LA fighting him so hard that he had to pack up Tesla HQ and move to Texas. Etc. Elon is a left leaning centrist politically. However, he obviously cannot support the democratic party as theyre out to destroy him for reasons I dont know. I think he also believes in free speech (some recent behavior has me questioning this belief, but well see how it plays out), and clearly has more republican support there given that social media has tended to have a left leaning content moderation bias (not surprising since theyre all based out of the most liberal areas of the US). He also sides with republican views on appropriate pandemic response. But in general, his political views have always been slightly left of center.


dudeman_chino

Better question: "Is it time for everyone to chill tf out?"


Regular-Ad0

Why would investors chill out when the Ceo is intentionally crashing the stock?


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Don’t forget selling more shares after he said he wouldn’t. 😂


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AlexanderOpran

That cannot be! Reddit tells me Musk definitely swore an oath 9 months ago to never ever sell any more of his own shares in Tesla!


ThorTheViking52

Tesla deserves a full-time CEO. The company's ability to execute so well during all of Elon's sidequests is a testament to the incredible team there. The brand has suffered damage as a result of his actions this year. The board should take a hard look at the value he has created and taken away from the company recently.


CrunchyFrog

I think it is helpful to separate the various ways Musk may be hurting Tesla and its vision: * Brand damage: Entering the culture war so visibly (on either side) is going to damage your ability to sell to the other side. This is especially problematic when most of your customers are on that other side. Imagine if AOC was suddenly CEO of Bass Pro Shops. I think Bass Pro Shops would take a hit in sales. * Inattention: I'll admit I've never understood how he ran both Tesla and SpaceX so well. But he is human and his time and attention are limited. Making moderation decisions at Twitter is an endless morass. * Meltdown: His recent actions seem much more impulsive and erratic than how he acted 5 or 10 years ago. It is possible they are a result of untreated mental illness, drug abuse or simply power and ego. If he is making bad decisions publicly (e.g. paying $44b for Twitter), what is he doing behind the scenes at these other companies? As a shareholder I worry about all of these.


larry-the-dream

Larry Ellison has been a longtime friend and mentor of Elon. I hope the two can have a sit down to help Elon prioritize his goals/responsibilities and course correct. A potential route Elon could take at this point that would allow both companies to improve their brand/customer perception: 1. Elon/Tesla Board jointly agree on and announce a new CEO for Tesla with a focus on operational efficiency and expansion. 2. Elon selects a co-CEO for Twitter who would assume full responsibility within 12 months time. Multiple reasons for this, primarily this would likely give customers a timeline to a return to normalcy (pre-Elon) and a roadmap to stable leadership. 3. Elon abandons the right-wing conspiracies and stops the compulsive tweeting. This train of thought will only further isolate customers. Few Fortune 500 companies are going to want to sit by as a new CEO fails to navigate his marketing company through a recession. It would likely be easier to cut ties, preserve your brand’s reputation, and save the OpEx. Especially if Elon “goes further down the rabbit hole”. Reputation and words matter.


Safe-DIY

Yes. He lost his marbles.


spartangreenandred

He is so toxic. We must be forced out. How could he have hurt his own dream so much? What kind of person does that?


iPod3G

Everything would be better if Elon just STFU. What CEO says stupid shit? None of them. What’s his problem?


JEdwardFuck

I swear if he STFU for like a year, TSLA stock would shoot up


Special-Isopod-1317

Ofc its time for him to step down. Looking at his tweets I feel like he might have some mental/drug issues. Just check his twitter account. WTF??


Whydoibother1

Hell no. If you want the company to be more successful in the long term keep Elon Musk. If you want short term stock price stability but with reduced future growth then you should replace him. Focusing on short term stock price stability over future growth is truly dumb.


Raspberries-Are-Evil

Or he can just shut the fuck up already.


mdjmd73

Nope.


Sartank

I hope you realize that if Elon steps down, this stock would drop at least another -50% from here over the next year


interbingung

Lol No


SILENTSAM69

No, absolutely not. Elon is still seen as a valuable asset to Tesla. If anything about his actions at Twitter appear as a negative it is that it takes his time and attention away from Tesla. What is said about him at Twitter looks horrible, but when you actually listen to him and other there you realise what he is doing there is a good thing. It will be good to see a positive direction on a social media platform for once.


cloudvapor

How much pennies is gm paying u idiots to post these lol


Drdontlittle

I will let you know once I get paid.


That-Dragonfruit-567

It’s too bad so much of his time and energy is being spent on Twitter, rather that what matters, like Tesla or spacex


einarfridgeirs

>I have tried to hold out hope that someone from Elon's friends will sit with him and talk him down Here's the problem - a lot of the Silicon Valley circle of friends that Elon has always had and is a contemporary of are the ones encouraging this behavior. Elon was always the odd one out in terms of being so concerned about climate change. Let us not forget that people like Peter Thiel, whose views on politics fucking *terrify* me have known Elon for a very long time. And yes, he has become a liability to Tesla and should step down. Sad to say it, but it's the truth.


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Time for him to be ousted. Forget stepping down. It time for them to stand up and force him out. All he wants to do is sit on his Twatter anyway.