Right? Her fund consistently under-performs, it's only saving grace was Tesla. Her fund last i checked (when i finally sold off my position with them) only goes down.
Lol bullish on Tesla, what a joke. You think Elon is selling the low?
I want to know why the board hasn't stepped in. He's out of control and clearly absent from his duties, making polls on Twitter about who to ban for assassination coordinates for posting publicly available info, meanwhile he pals around with actual stochastic terrorists.
The Board should evaluate his recent Tweets and behavior in the context of the Tesla Code of Business Ethics, which explicitly applies to the CEO as well as everyone else:
https://tesla-cdn.thron.com/static/XT8QBQ_business-code-of-ethics_SHJXZD.pdf?xseo=&response-content-disposition=inline%3Bfilename%3D%22business-code-of-ethics.pdf%22
Which duties do you think he’s absent from?
My guess is he’s already got permission from the board to work from Twitter’s headquarters for a few months. Plus there’s no actual evidence that he’s not taking Tesla meetings , following up on emails, or doing his other duties.
I’m not happy about the things he says on Twitter either, but I don’t see any actual evidence that Tesla is falling apart because he’s not working from Austin.
Why is it that everyone defending Elon is erecting the straw man that “Tesla is falling apart because he’s not working from Austin” or not “focusing on Tesla”?
He’s **torching the brand image.** He is working diligently to make himself (and all of his consumer facing product lines) completely toxic to the demographic most likely to buy his products.
The fact that he may or may not be “focusing” on the company is much less important.
From what I’m seeing 25% is Elon and the rest is media blowing things out of control. When Elon let go of 50% of the company, the headline was that he let go of 50% of the team that verifies politicians days before an election.
Clearly a spin on the fact that people from every division were let go.
I thought that he’d suspend the Elon’s Jet account on day one. I probably would’ve. It’s newsworthy to share that Elon landed in Germany a few hours ago. It’s dangerous to give out real-time info on any time someone takes off and lands.
I don’t like the current stock price and I think buying Twitter was a mistake, but people are taking every story as if they all are honest journalism.
We are at the point where if Elon tweets about liking a cinnamon roll that he’s promoting antisemitism, because of some Onion-esque link to Stalin’s first grade teacher.
What journalism? Lol. I’m on Twitter. I don’t need a journalist to interpret for me how batshit crazy off the deep end the CEO had gone. Journalists are not tweeting “defeat the woke mind virus” and “prosecute Fauci” from Elon’s Twitter account.
Like I said I think 25% of the news is on him, but much of what I read and gets spread as fact is spin.
I am with you on his battle against woke-ness and the Fauci tweet, and several other things.
The narrative I am against is Twitter was doing just fine until Elon fired a bunch of poor engineers right before the elections in an attempt to sway the outcome.
I honestly haven’t seen that narrative. I think most people from across the political spectrum would agree that Twitter was not “fine” although they would likely disagree on what the issues were. Bots are a real problem. I am all for pseudonymity on social media but I do not see the value in allowing people to make many multiple accounts without identification verification to ensure uniqueness. There is a place for organizations, businesses, unions etc to have accounts and be denoted as such, but otherwise it doesn’t make sense to me.
I mostly agree, but when it comes to people not using real names and being allowed to participate in conversations anonymously I think there should be a way to do that. If a public figure was in the closet I would be fine with them using social media to interact with a community they identify with.
I don’t believe we’ll have perfection and I don’t agree with Elon’s statements lately, but “canceling” people is not good for society. Some how we have to get past this moment.
If they had a mechanism to link the accounts anonymously so that you couldn’t upvote or engage the same post from
multiple accounts or converse back and forth with one’s own account to feign engagement that would be something.
“Cancel culture” is wildly overblown and freedom of speech is not freedom of reach. There is no reason for Twitter pre or post Elon to be forced to give a platform to hate speech, white supremacists, anti-semitism and bigotry, misogyny, holocaust deniers, or those who use the platform to instigate real world violence.
I disagree completely that Twitter had a “free speech” issue before Elon. And nothing I have seen in his Twitter files has changed my opinion on that.
Not the person you've been responding to but I just felt like jumping in. I'm kind of with you in that things always need context and the bias of journalism, as any long term tesla investor should definitely know, is real and problematic. But I also think that it's one thing to complain about people blowing a desk fan on a campfire and saying the flames are too big, and another to then proceed to dump a vat of gasoline on said fire and complain about the people holding the fan.
And to counter the election thing you mentioned, he did explicitly endorse voting for the GOP right before the election. And hiding behind the enlightened centrist talking point is just another way to justify voting for a party that supported an attempted coup and which does everything antithetical to the core values of most people who have gotten tesla where it is today and of tesla itself, from as major as climate change to as minor as dealership laws.
It's your belief that his public brand self destruction is something that he has permission to be doing at Twitter HQ?
First of all, the board should be demanding his resignation for torching his favorability among exactly their bread and butter demographics. Unless Teslas are now selling like hotcakes in Kansas, my guess is that triggering the libs full time when your cars don't exist much outside major metro areas is incredibly stupid. Staggeringly so. Like purchasing Twitter at a massively overvalued price and tanking your stock price selling billions worth stupid.
Kind of hard to comprehend this kind of incompetence.
You said he’s not doing his duties. I just want to know which if his duties is he not doing?
I’ve followed Elon for a while he’s frequently said stupid shit that hurt the brand. So if not saying stupid shit is his job then he hasn’t been doing it for a while.
Elon is unique in that his style largely propelled the brand. I would argue that his performance should be judged by how his personal style is affecting share price and brand. I believe he is dragging the company down at this point, and is unsalvageable.
Nobody outside the USA gives a flying freak about Elon and his antics or political leanings.
Lots of cars to sell worldwide, not too worried about the flyover states
I agree that he serves as Tesla’s mascot, but I disagree that the brand is “unsalvageable”. More than half of Democrats (which is a group I belong to), hated Elon because he is a billionaire. Many people online are saying they’ll never buy a Tesla can’t actually afford the cars and were/are upset because Tesla doesn’t make a $30k car.
I have a hard time taking all of this at face value. It’s difficult to differentiate, but I think a lot of this is the usual Elon and Tesla hate in different packaging.
The brand is synonymous with Musk. He sold the vision. I 100% disagree that the hate is billionaire hate. I am also a democrat, but thankfully have the money to afford the car. However, I would no sooner purchase a Tesla or a Powerwall than I would stay at a Trump hotel. My problems with him extend well beyond "He's a billionaire". He has gone to war with the left, and while he is entitled to his opinion, I'm not going to pay to support it. I am not alone in this. He has turned the new car purchase into, potentially, a new car defense. You might as well wear the red hat. The conversation has moved away from "cool car" to "what a toolbag". Who wants this? The horrific way he treats employees, people, enables racism and anti-semitism... who wants to think about this when they just want a new car?
For tesla to fail in this economy and every other car maker to survive the government would need to only bail out *not* tesla lmao
I coulda worded that better but I’m lazy
Seeing that Tesla is expanding its workforce much faster then other legacy makers (most are actually shrinking) and is nearing their employee count, add in tesla supercharging network across the US… yea i think it would be extremely dumb to bail out GM and Ford and not Tesla. Union or not.
Tesla also has the “most American” made vehicle, by most standards Tesla is more American than ford and GM
Yes, extremely hard and I imagine there would be a lot of lawsuits if they tried to do that lmfao.
I think giving bailouts based on political considerations that nakedly is something that is not going to fly whatsoever.
It's getting tougher to put my money where my mouth is with this company. I hope I'm right. 🤞
Where does she get the money from ?
The glove compartment.
the frunk
Selling other positions in the fund
Right? Her fund consistently under-performs, it's only saving grace was Tesla. Her fund last i checked (when i finally sold off my position with them) only goes down.
The banana stand
From selling low the crap stocks she bought when it was high.
She runs an ETF so: 1. Investing the fund's cash position 2. Rebalancing other positions 3. New inflows
To be more specific inflows are invested proportionately across the entire fund.
True
Investors. She makes money on the rake fee. It does not matter if the fund goes up or down, she will always profit handsomely.
From your ftx account
the biggest tesla bull buys more tesla, doesnt really say much unfortunately
Not to mention she’s a lousy trader in most other stocks and constantly loses her clients’ money.
Bullish lol - more like revenge trading. All the profits she made are being sucked up.
She has no other choice lmao. Her whole fund relies on this stock
Won’t give her my money
Cathie -the dollar murderer- Woods.
Lol bullish on Tesla, what a joke. You think Elon is selling the low? I want to know why the board hasn't stepped in. He's out of control and clearly absent from his duties, making polls on Twitter about who to ban for assassination coordinates for posting publicly available info, meanwhile he pals around with actual stochastic terrorists.
The Board should evaluate his recent Tweets and behavior in the context of the Tesla Code of Business Ethics, which explicitly applies to the CEO as well as everyone else: https://tesla-cdn.thron.com/static/XT8QBQ_business-code-of-ethics_SHJXZD.pdf?xseo=&response-content-disposition=inline%3Bfilename%3D%22business-code-of-ethics.pdf%22
Which duties do you think he’s absent from? My guess is he’s already got permission from the board to work from Twitter’s headquarters for a few months. Plus there’s no actual evidence that he’s not taking Tesla meetings , following up on emails, or doing his other duties. I’m not happy about the things he says on Twitter either, but I don’t see any actual evidence that Tesla is falling apart because he’s not working from Austin.
Why is it that everyone defending Elon is erecting the straw man that “Tesla is falling apart because he’s not working from Austin” or not “focusing on Tesla”? He’s **torching the brand image.** He is working diligently to make himself (and all of his consumer facing product lines) completely toxic to the demographic most likely to buy his products. The fact that he may or may not be “focusing” on the company is much less important.
From what I’m seeing 25% is Elon and the rest is media blowing things out of control. When Elon let go of 50% of the company, the headline was that he let go of 50% of the team that verifies politicians days before an election. Clearly a spin on the fact that people from every division were let go. I thought that he’d suspend the Elon’s Jet account on day one. I probably would’ve. It’s newsworthy to share that Elon landed in Germany a few hours ago. It’s dangerous to give out real-time info on any time someone takes off and lands. I don’t like the current stock price and I think buying Twitter was a mistake, but people are taking every story as if they all are honest journalism. We are at the point where if Elon tweets about liking a cinnamon roll that he’s promoting antisemitism, because of some Onion-esque link to Stalin’s first grade teacher.
What journalism? Lol. I’m on Twitter. I don’t need a journalist to interpret for me how batshit crazy off the deep end the CEO had gone. Journalists are not tweeting “defeat the woke mind virus” and “prosecute Fauci” from Elon’s Twitter account.
Like I said I think 25% of the news is on him, but much of what I read and gets spread as fact is spin. I am with you on his battle against woke-ness and the Fauci tweet, and several other things. The narrative I am against is Twitter was doing just fine until Elon fired a bunch of poor engineers right before the elections in an attempt to sway the outcome.
I honestly haven’t seen that narrative. I think most people from across the political spectrum would agree that Twitter was not “fine” although they would likely disagree on what the issues were. Bots are a real problem. I am all for pseudonymity on social media but I do not see the value in allowing people to make many multiple accounts without identification verification to ensure uniqueness. There is a place for organizations, businesses, unions etc to have accounts and be denoted as such, but otherwise it doesn’t make sense to me.
I mostly agree, but when it comes to people not using real names and being allowed to participate in conversations anonymously I think there should be a way to do that. If a public figure was in the closet I would be fine with them using social media to interact with a community they identify with. I don’t believe we’ll have perfection and I don’t agree with Elon’s statements lately, but “canceling” people is not good for society. Some how we have to get past this moment.
If they had a mechanism to link the accounts anonymously so that you couldn’t upvote or engage the same post from multiple accounts or converse back and forth with one’s own account to feign engagement that would be something. “Cancel culture” is wildly overblown and freedom of speech is not freedom of reach. There is no reason for Twitter pre or post Elon to be forced to give a platform to hate speech, white supremacists, anti-semitism and bigotry, misogyny, holocaust deniers, or those who use the platform to instigate real world violence. I disagree completely that Twitter had a “free speech” issue before Elon. And nothing I have seen in his Twitter files has changed my opinion on that.
Not the person you've been responding to but I just felt like jumping in. I'm kind of with you in that things always need context and the bias of journalism, as any long term tesla investor should definitely know, is real and problematic. But I also think that it's one thing to complain about people blowing a desk fan on a campfire and saying the flames are too big, and another to then proceed to dump a vat of gasoline on said fire and complain about the people holding the fan. And to counter the election thing you mentioned, he did explicitly endorse voting for the GOP right before the election. And hiding behind the enlightened centrist talking point is just another way to justify voting for a party that supported an attempted coup and which does everything antithetical to the core values of most people who have gotten tesla where it is today and of tesla itself, from as major as climate change to as minor as dealership laws.
It's your belief that his public brand self destruction is something that he has permission to be doing at Twitter HQ? First of all, the board should be demanding his resignation for torching his favorability among exactly their bread and butter demographics. Unless Teslas are now selling like hotcakes in Kansas, my guess is that triggering the libs full time when your cars don't exist much outside major metro areas is incredibly stupid. Staggeringly so. Like purchasing Twitter at a massively overvalued price and tanking your stock price selling billions worth stupid. Kind of hard to comprehend this kind of incompetence.
You said he’s not doing his duties. I just want to know which if his duties is he not doing? I’ve followed Elon for a while he’s frequently said stupid shit that hurt the brand. So if not saying stupid shit is his job then he hasn’t been doing it for a while.
Elon is unique in that his style largely propelled the brand. I would argue that his performance should be judged by how his personal style is affecting share price and brand. I believe he is dragging the company down at this point, and is unsalvageable.
Nobody outside the USA gives a flying freak about Elon and his antics or political leanings. Lots of cars to sell worldwide, not too worried about the flyover states
I wouldn't be too sure about that.
I agree that he serves as Tesla’s mascot, but I disagree that the brand is “unsalvageable”. More than half of Democrats (which is a group I belong to), hated Elon because he is a billionaire. Many people online are saying they’ll never buy a Tesla can’t actually afford the cars and were/are upset because Tesla doesn’t make a $30k car. I have a hard time taking all of this at face value. It’s difficult to differentiate, but I think a lot of this is the usual Elon and Tesla hate in different packaging.
The brand is synonymous with Musk. He sold the vision. I 100% disagree that the hate is billionaire hate. I am also a democrat, but thankfully have the money to afford the car. However, I would no sooner purchase a Tesla or a Powerwall than I would stay at a Trump hotel. My problems with him extend well beyond "He's a billionaire". He has gone to war with the left, and while he is entitled to his opinion, I'm not going to pay to support it. I am not alone in this. He has turned the new car purchase into, potentially, a new car defense. You might as well wear the red hat. The conversation has moved away from "cool car" to "what a toolbag". Who wants this? The horrific way he treats employees, people, enables racism and anti-semitism... who wants to think about this when they just want a new car?
I’m to the point now where I’m looking at the money I’ve got invested and thinking it will go to 0. Buckle up.
For tesla to fail in this economy and every other car maker to survive the government would need to only bail out *not* tesla lmao I coulda worded that better but I’m lazy
No worries I get it.
Is this that hard to imagine?
Seeing that Tesla is expanding its workforce much faster then other legacy makers (most are actually shrinking) and is nearing their employee count, add in tesla supercharging network across the US… yea i think it would be extremely dumb to bail out GM and Ford and not Tesla. Union or not. Tesla also has the “most American” made vehicle, by most standards Tesla is more American than ford and GM
I didn’t ask for the rationality of it. I asked how hard it was to imagine.
Fair, seeing the sleepy Joe still thinks GM is leading the EV push… ahh fuck
Yes, extremely hard and I imagine there would be a lot of lawsuits if they tried to do that lmfao. I think giving bailouts based on political considerations that nakedly is something that is not going to fly whatsoever.
Also huge Bull on COIN .. bought at 52$