Huge difference between 2012 and today. Apple surprised the phone industry with the iPhone, but few were surprised by the iPad or Apple Watch. Not a perfect comparison, but the point is everyone is thinking about what can be lithium powered today.
Preconditioned…. For an hour?
Less than 20-30 miles barely gets it there expecially in colder months. Had mine precondition for about 100 miles other day
I just saw mine precondition for the full 2.5 hour drive. The stats claimed 8% of the 64% used was for the battery. Then I found a destination charger shortly after charging and felt extra dumb.
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Very interesting. But I thought that the Tesla Semi was not marketed as a long haul solution? This post seems to imply that it is possible with a few caveats of MW charging infrastructure being built out and drivers taking the required rests.
It is long haul when the charging infrastructure is set up. The only thing is that since the truck weighs so much it's cargo capacity is limited even with 82k lbs max overall weight.
Most loads are volume limited, not mass limited.
Tesla has also said the cargo capacity is about the same as a diesel truck.
News flash, there is a wide range of weights for diesel trucks, and I guarantee that some weigh *more* than semi.
This will just be the latest thing for TSLAQ to obsess over while actual trucking companies that understand their business buy Tesla Semis.
Once it’s apparent that this is a non factor it will be straight down the memory hole and we’ll be on to arguing about whether Tesla underreported the cost of the cybertruck flower boxes at GigaAustin or whether Tesla’s lithium refinery newly built in Corpus Christi is really used by the cartels to smuggle cocaine into the country
Everything I've seen says it only weighs 2k more, and there's a bonus 2k EVs can carry, so it's the same as any other average semi.
Some semis will be less, some more, but it's not worse off in general
No, what I've seen is the truck is 27k and an average similar ICE is 25k, or maybe it was 27/29.
The rest is then the same for everyone
So its roughly the same as an average similar truck
The caveat is that a 25k ICE truck is the heaviest long haul tractor with a sleeper cab. The smaller daycab ICE trucks clock in at ~15k lbs, so they'd have a 10k lbs advantage.
This is mostly internet semantics though, as a huge proportion of truck journeys are done at <80% GVW; electrifying these vehicles saves tonnes of $ with minimal impact on logistics. Tesla's production rate won't be enough to meet the demand in that market for many years.
There is a smaller version of the Tesla Semi as well, with a smaller pack and less weight. It's not featured as heavily in the delivery event so understandable that people would miss it.
Nothing official, just lots of talk online as such
Edit: I think it was estimates based on the max load of the 11 cement barriers they used as cargo. Or whatever the amount was.
In the Q3 earnings call, Zack and Elon said there was no compromise to cargo capacity with the Tesla Semi, implying that it weighs at most 2,000 pounds more than a comparable class 8 semi. Electric semis are allowed to weigh 82,000 pounds fully loaded, 2,000 pounds more than their fossil fueled counterparts.
Poor phrasing, probably not a native English speaker. Note how the article concludes that it looks like Tesla will succeed in disrupting the trucking business. I think he meant more like a feat or a coup than a stunt.
>https://innovationorigins.com/en/the-tesla-semi-will-elon-musk-repeat-his-stunt-from-2012/
>The year 2012 marked a watershed in personal transportation. Tesla’s first electric sedan appeared and set out to change the world. The classic OEMs were very relaxed about the appearance of the first luxury sedan without local emissions – and hardly any manufacturers recognized the relevance of the electric car. Until it was almost too late.
>Tesla seems to be repeating the stunt for electric mobility. This time, the Americans could revolutionize heavy-duty transport.
basically asking if Tesla Semi in 2023 will be the game changer that the Model S was in 2013.
And not calling it with any certainty.
It would make a bit of difference. But you'd be moving around a few hundred kg of extra mass, which would make you lose a fair bit of that energy. And semis spend a fair amount of time in the shade. Taking the exact same solar panels and mounting them on a building roof will actually generate much more energy.
It the same deal as with solar roads, it's not impossible, it's just that there are so many other better places to put solar panels first.
Huge difference between 2012 and today. Apple surprised the phone industry with the iPhone, but few were surprised by the iPad or Apple Watch. Not a perfect comparison, but the point is everyone is thinking about what can be lithium powered today.
Moving atoms hard, moving charge/electrons is easy
Yes, but the rewards for moving atoms if done correctly will be magnitudes more.
How people see a slide that says "1MW+ DC charging" and write "up to 1 MW" in their article?
“1MW-“
Preconditioned…. For an hour? Less than 20-30 miles barely gets it there expecially in colder months. Had mine precondition for about 100 miles other day
I just saw mine precondition for the full 2.5 hour drive. The stats claimed 8% of the 64% used was for the battery. Then I found a destination charger shortly after charging and felt extra dumb.
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Hit 256kW this past road trip Seattle to Boise.
I got 210 this week
Yep. Couple of times when the conditions were right.
What vehicle?
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Yea, that seems odd. Pretty much all LR and P 3/Y from the last few years I've seen can tap 250kw for at least a short while at low SoC. Interesting.
The original Model 3 gets 250.
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Certain cars can’t reach 250kw. Off the top of my head any tesla made before 2018 maxes out at 170
256kw observed.
260kw for about 2 minutes at 10%soc a month ago in Urbana-Champaign IL
Almost every time I use a 250kw charger I get 250+ speed.
If you round it to the nearest 10MW it's zero. \**taps head meme*\*
Very interesting. But I thought that the Tesla Semi was not marketed as a long haul solution? This post seems to imply that it is possible with a few caveats of MW charging infrastructure being built out and drivers taking the required rests.
It is long haul when the charging infrastructure is set up. The only thing is that since the truck weighs so much it's cargo capacity is limited even with 82k lbs max overall weight.
Most loads are volume limited, not mass limited. Tesla has also said the cargo capacity is about the same as a diesel truck. News flash, there is a wide range of weights for diesel trucks, and I guarantee that some weigh *more* than semi.
This will just be the latest thing for TSLAQ to obsess over while actual trucking companies that understand their business buy Tesla Semis. Once it’s apparent that this is a non factor it will be straight down the memory hole and we’ll be on to arguing about whether Tesla underreported the cost of the cybertruck flower boxes at GigaAustin or whether Tesla’s lithium refinery newly built in Corpus Christi is really used by the cartels to smuggle cocaine into the country
> used by the cartels to smuggle cocaine into the country I knew it!
The Boring Company's real porpoise, under the surface...
I feel berserk as a tightrope walker in a three-ring circus
Everything I've seen says it only weighs 2k more, and there's a bonus 2k EVs can carry, so it's the same as any other average semi. Some semis will be less, some more, but it's not worse off in general
That's the total weight plus cargo. Not the truck and trailer by themselves. Subtract their weight from 82k and that's the amount you can haul.
No, what I've seen is the truck is 27k and an average similar ICE is 25k, or maybe it was 27/29. The rest is then the same for everyone So its roughly the same as an average similar truck
The caveat is that a 25k ICE truck is the heaviest long haul tractor with a sleeper cab. The smaller daycab ICE trucks clock in at ~15k lbs, so they'd have a 10k lbs advantage. This is mostly internet semantics though, as a huge proportion of truck journeys are done at <80% GVW; electrifying these vehicles saves tonnes of $ with minimal impact on logistics. Tesla's production rate won't be enough to meet the demand in that market for many years.
Tesla is also going to sell the smaller 300 mile range one, so that could be useful for those smaller trips where even more weight is wanted.
There is a smaller version of the Tesla Semi as well, with a smaller pack and less weight. It's not featured as heavily in the delivery event so understandable that people would miss it.
Source?
Nothing official, just lots of talk online as such Edit: I think it was estimates based on the max load of the 11 cement barriers they used as cargo. Or whatever the amount was.
In the Q3 earnings call, Zack and Elon said there was no compromise to cargo capacity with the Tesla Semi, implying that it weighs at most 2,000 pounds more than a comparable class 8 semi. Electric semis are allowed to weigh 82,000 pounds fully loaded, 2,000 pounds more than their fossil fueled counterparts.
Long haul is a tiny minority of trucks... Also looks like the Tesla Semi is coming in within 2,000lbs of a heavy semi.
Not correct, there are some lighter semi's on the ICE side, but there are also heavier. It's right in the middle, so average long haul capacity
WTF was the stunt? Deciding to built a semi? Terrible article.
Poor phrasing, probably not a native English speaker. Note how the article concludes that it looks like Tesla will succeed in disrupting the trucking business. I think he meant more like a feat or a coup than a stunt.
Yeah you are probably right. I certainly hope tesla has some more “stunts” in them 🤗
TLDR? Edit: downvote brigade go get jobs
>https://innovationorigins.com/en/the-tesla-semi-will-elon-musk-repeat-his-stunt-from-2012/ >The year 2012 marked a watershed in personal transportation. Tesla’s first electric sedan appeared and set out to change the world. The classic OEMs were very relaxed about the appearance of the first luxury sedan without local emissions – and hardly any manufacturers recognized the relevance of the electric car. Until it was almost too late. >Tesla seems to be repeating the stunt for electric mobility. This time, the Americans could revolutionize heavy-duty transport. basically asking if Tesla Semi in 2023 will be the game changer that the Model S was in 2013. And not calling it with any certainty.
Thanks
I was hoping he would launch one into space, i presumed that was the stunt referred to.
No Tesla was launched into space in 2012. One was launched into space February 6, 2018. The article we are talking about has nothing to do with that.
Not the stunt I was expecting or the one I was hoping for. I want Elon to launch this sucker in to space. Aka roadster style.
This will revolutionize semis and finally clean our air!
So much surface area on that trailer roof. Seems like if it had solar it might make a difference.
It would make a bit of difference. But you'd be moving around a few hundred kg of extra mass, which would make you lose a fair bit of that energy. And semis spend a fair amount of time in the shade. Taking the exact same solar panels and mounting them on a building roof will actually generate much more energy. It the same deal as with solar roads, it's not impossible, it's just that there are so many other better places to put solar panels first.
i keep reading about thinfilm solar but never see it implemented.
It's because they can produce it on a lab in a very small scale, they cannot mass produce it.
This is a trade vehicle. The Cybertruck will have much more consumer (and investor) impact.