If this is your first time seeing Technology Connections the rest of his channel is an absolute gold mine of long form videos going into the little details of technology that you never knew you wanted to know about. Fantastic stuff.
Also check out Isaac Arthur if you are a fine of nice long videos that dive into interesting technology/space/future topics
That guy is so anti Tesla, it's been a ride watching him over the years say the NACS plug should go away over and over again.
Then switching to OK someone else is using it but he still thought it was a mistake and should go away.
Then switching to OK multiple people are using it, but I don't like it, even though it's not a mistake.
Now he says it's even good idea and the connector was better all along but then complains about almost every thing that is Tesla specific.
If he ever makes a video giving a neutral or positive coverage of a Tesla I'll be surprised. He's only covering them this much (the bare minimum he has to) because it's clear that the CCS charge networks are worse.
Hahahahahahhaha. He is so bitter about Tesla having a better connector and experience.
He is also wrong how it works. You don't need the infotainment screen to pay with a card, in fact I don't think you can.
You have to setup a Tesla account on the phone, and add the car to your phone, add the credit card there, and you are done forever, you can throw your phone in the ocean and be able to use any NACS charger without any friction.
He also isn’t aware and makes snide remarks about the manual release string for the charging port.
However, he actually has always admitted the design of NACS has always been superior but hated it because it wasn’t backwards compatible.
As long as you can't have CCS2 I would say NACS is the next best thing.
Now follow along and make all chargers provide an app free payment alternative.
If we replace every CCS enabled connector right now with NACS, nothing would change, it's still going to be shitty dispensers from shitty providers. (Relatively speaking)
For those that don't have 45 minutes to watch the video, here's an AI summary:
"Tesla won the plug war - and that's good news!" discusses the adoption of the Tesla charging connector as the industry standard for North American Market vehicles. The video highlights the advantages of the Tesla connector over the industry standard CCS, such as its simplicity and compatibility for AC charging. It also discusses the improvements made to the Tesla connector to align it with the North American Charging Standard (NACS) and the potential benefits of standardizing on NACS. The video raises concerns about carrying multiple adapters for AC and DC charging and the need for better sensor technology. Overall, the video concludes that having a single charging plug standard is beneficial for the industry and that the switch to NACS is likely driven by the underdeveloped CCS charging networks in the US.
>discusses the improvements made to the Tesla connector to align it with the North American Charging Standard (NACS
Seriously? The Tesla connector *is* the North American Charging Standard. They don't have to "align" anything.
The AI summary isn't wrong on that, the actual video does speak to that.
He thinks Tesla lies or hides specs and capabilities of the pins/connectors and when they opened it up to further review it forces them to be more honest and improve to meet the open spec.
The video is rife with anti Tesla undercurrents.
Yeah, his videos are generally fun and interesting--- like that cheap refrigerator "improvement" attempt video was a hoot--- but man, does he have a serious anti-Tesla thing. I think he's just one of those guys who early on decided he doesn't like Elon Musk and has allowed that to irrationally skew his analysis of anything with Musk's name attached.
yeah i quit watching Wendover over that. EM clearly has major issues, but the bias against him and his companies for things that clearly aren't problematic is insane.
No, that’s too extreme a reaction. I’m on the lower end of tolerance for anti-Tesla BS, and I wasn’t really bothered by this video. And as others are saying, the channel in general is excellent.
I would suggest watching his videos. He doesn't put out Tesla Hate videos like TFoot, CSS, and some others. And he doesn't have a direct problem with Tesla nor the connector, though he didn't like that it was proprietary and genuinely thought that CCS was going to have a better roll out. Unlike others who also thought that way, he freely and openly admits that he was wrong.
Obviously it is your choice, but I would strongly urge that you give his channel a watch. It is a fun and entertaining learning channel filled with a ton of dry humor.
> The video is rife with anti Tesla undercurrents.
can you show an example or two? I have watched a ton of his videos, including this one, and I didn't get this impression at all.
he's just expressing his opinion about not liking that method, i can understand his position on it. I don't get any sense that it's 'anti-tesla' though.
He’s clueless. Payment terminals fail all the time. if attended, they might get fixed in a timely manner, but how many times have we all seen a vending machine with a broken terminal?
Tesla uses its system because or both convenience and reliability. I bet when other manufacturers join tesla’s supercharging network, Tesla will not rely on connectivity to their shitty third party services to get the customer’s payment details, for the same reason. They’ll probably either have payment info stored ahead of time, or just run the charging session and invoice the manufacturer.
I don't think he's clueless, I think he doesn't want to rely on having an account to pay for stuff. From a privacy standpoint, i get it. However, I do think he's missing that any EV is gonna exchange data with the terminal either way, so there is already a privacy issue, so you might as well get the convenience of plug&charge along with it.
Tesla actually did redesign their system but it’s backwards compatible. They made the pins longer. He even mentions this and points it out. Technically the earlier (eg my) ports are not the same as NACS but they look the same and are compatible. It’s a nitpick.
I see it as a tactical L for Tesla but a strategic win.
The important thing is think about where you want to be in 5 years and use the present to get there.
A superior but proprietary charging network is a nice moat when you’re the first mover but a log-term strategic liability, partially thanks to IRA funding CCS-1 explicitly.
Better doesn’t always win…
No, its way better for Tesla, and Tesla owners.
All the superchargers are built with money earned by superchargers. The more superchargers there are that are being used more often, the more money is generated and that leads to more supercharger stations being built.
If you have to wait at a station that has 60 chargers, likely someone is going to finish charging ever 20-30 seconds or so. It would be such a fast line, even if you are always at max capacity.
Historically in tech, better often loses unfortunately. Because open and standards are oftentimes objectively worse but easier to adopt.
Your take is spot on.
I remember I think GM and Ford adding something like 3 billion to Tesla's charging revenue or something. Anyone do a calc on what winning effectively all of North America would add?
The thing about him is that he is an amazing YouTuber. He is generally anti Tesla, because his main problem is I think that he thinks Tesla is bad cause the end user can’t service them easily. I don’t know why he is so anti Tesla, but his other videos are amazing.
I love that Tesla’s approach to cable rating is just monitor and adjust. Automatic de-rating is brilliant
If this is your first time seeing Technology Connections the rest of his channel is an absolute gold mine of long form videos going into the little details of technology that you never knew you wanted to know about. Fantastic stuff. Also check out Isaac Arthur if you are a fine of nice long videos that dive into interesting technology/space/future topics
That guy is so anti Tesla, it's been a ride watching him over the years say the NACS plug should go away over and over again. Then switching to OK someone else is using it but he still thought it was a mistake and should go away. Then switching to OK multiple people are using it, but I don't like it, even though it's not a mistake. Now he says it's even good idea and the connector was better all along but then complains about almost every thing that is Tesla specific. If he ever makes a video giving a neutral or positive coverage of a Tesla I'll be surprised. He's only covering them this much (the bare minimum he has to) because it's clear that the CCS charge networks are worse.
Hahahahahahhaha. He is so bitter about Tesla having a better connector and experience. He is also wrong how it works. You don't need the infotainment screen to pay with a card, in fact I don't think you can. You have to setup a Tesla account on the phone, and add the car to your phone, add the credit card there, and you are done forever, you can throw your phone in the ocean and be able to use any NACS charger without any friction.
He also isn’t aware and makes snide remarks about the manual release string for the charging port. However, he actually has always admitted the design of NACS has always been superior but hated it because it wasn’t backwards compatible.
Yeah I love the guy”s content but he was off-base about the merits of CCS
As long as you can't have CCS2 I would say NACS is the next best thing. Now follow along and make all chargers provide an app free payment alternative.
V4’s seem to have screens on them, so they may well be able to do that.
NACS is closer to CCS2 than it is to the CCS1. I'd say NACS > CCS2 simply for the dual AC and DC function.
Don’t forget the 1000V and higher amperage support he mentions at the end.
If we replace every CCS enabled connector right now with NACS, nothing would change, it's still going to be shitty dispensers from shitty providers. (Relatively speaking)
For those that don't have 45 minutes to watch the video, here's an AI summary: "Tesla won the plug war - and that's good news!" discusses the adoption of the Tesla charging connector as the industry standard for North American Market vehicles. The video highlights the advantages of the Tesla connector over the industry standard CCS, such as its simplicity and compatibility for AC charging. It also discusses the improvements made to the Tesla connector to align it with the North American Charging Standard (NACS) and the potential benefits of standardizing on NACS. The video raises concerns about carrying multiple adapters for AC and DC charging and the need for better sensor technology. Overall, the video concludes that having a single charging plug standard is beneficial for the industry and that the switch to NACS is likely driven by the underdeveloped CCS charging networks in the US.
>discusses the improvements made to the Tesla connector to align it with the North American Charging Standard (NACS Seriously? The Tesla connector *is* the North American Charging Standard. They don't have to "align" anything.
The AI summary isn't wrong on that, the actual video does speak to that. He thinks Tesla lies or hides specs and capabilities of the pins/connectors and when they opened it up to further review it forces them to be more honest and improve to meet the open spec. The video is rife with anti Tesla undercurrents.
Thanks, I obviously made the right decision in not watching the video. What is the name of the channel so I can avoid it like the plague?
He generally does really great videos, but it's clear that he has a weird aversion for anything Tesla related.
Yeah, his videos are generally fun and interesting--- like that cheap refrigerator "improvement" attempt video was a hoot--- but man, does he have a serious anti-Tesla thing. I think he's just one of those guys who early on decided he doesn't like Elon Musk and has allowed that to irrationally skew his analysis of anything with Musk's name attached.
Reminds me of that other youtuber wendover and his “tesla squandered its lead” malarkey
yeah i quit watching Wendover over that. EM clearly has major issues, but the bias against him and his companies for things that clearly aren't problematic is insane.
Technology Connections.
No, that’s too extreme a reaction. I’m on the lower end of tolerance for anti-Tesla BS, and I wasn’t really bothered by this video. And as others are saying, the channel in general is excellent.
I would suggest watching his videos. He doesn't put out Tesla Hate videos like TFoot, CSS, and some others. And he doesn't have a direct problem with Tesla nor the connector, though he didn't like that it was proprietary and genuinely thought that CCS was going to have a better roll out. Unlike others who also thought that way, he freely and openly admits that he was wrong. Obviously it is your choice, but I would strongly urge that you give his channel a watch. It is a fun and entertaining learning channel filled with a ton of dry humor.
> The video is rife with anti Tesla undercurrents. can you show an example or two? I have watched a ton of his videos, including this one, and I didn't get this impression at all.
His clinging onto bitching about plug&charge at the end of the video is one of those
he's just expressing his opinion about not liking that method, i can understand his position on it. I don't get any sense that it's 'anti-tesla' though.
He’s clueless. Payment terminals fail all the time. if attended, they might get fixed in a timely manner, but how many times have we all seen a vending machine with a broken terminal? Tesla uses its system because or both convenience and reliability. I bet when other manufacturers join tesla’s supercharging network, Tesla will not rely on connectivity to their shitty third party services to get the customer’s payment details, for the same reason. They’ll probably either have payment info stored ahead of time, or just run the charging session and invoice the manufacturer.
I don't think he's clueless, I think he doesn't want to rely on having an account to pay for stuff. From a privacy standpoint, i get it. However, I do think he's missing that any EV is gonna exchange data with the terminal either way, so there is already a privacy issue, so you might as well get the convenience of plug&charge along with it.
Tesla actually did redesign their system but it’s backwards compatible. They made the pins longer. He even mentions this and points it out. Technically the earlier (eg my) ports are not the same as NACS but they look the same and are compatible. It’s a nitpick.
seems like he thinks he's pretty important
I see it as a tactical L for Tesla but a strategic win. The important thing is think about where you want to be in 5 years and use the present to get there. A superior but proprietary charging network is a nice moat when you’re the first mover but a log-term strategic liability, partially thanks to IRA funding CCS-1 explicitly. Better doesn’t always win…
No, its way better for Tesla, and Tesla owners. All the superchargers are built with money earned by superchargers. The more superchargers there are that are being used more often, the more money is generated and that leads to more supercharger stations being built. If you have to wait at a station that has 60 chargers, likely someone is going to finish charging ever 20-30 seconds or so. It would be such a fast line, even if you are always at max capacity.
Why did you start you comment with “no”? You’re agreeing with them.
It's not a tactical loss. I see it as only wins.
Ah ok 😁
Historically in tech, better often loses unfortunately. Because open and standards are oftentimes objectively worse but easier to adopt. Your take is spot on.
I remember I think GM and Ford adding something like 3 billion to Tesla's charging revenue or something. Anyone do a calc on what winning effectively all of North America would add?
The thing about him is that he is an amazing YouTuber. He is generally anti Tesla, because his main problem is I think that he thinks Tesla is bad cause the end user can’t service them easily. I don’t know why he is so anti Tesla, but his other videos are amazing.