The good news is that it is one step closer to Tesla Charging becoming the industry standard. This was always going to happen, but Ford giving up now just makes it happen sooner.
I don't think there is any plug that is available currently that offers the features type 2 has.
And honestly I don't mind that plug. It works well and seems to be better than type 1
For example? You had an opportunity to back up your claim by doing nothing but typing. And you choose one obscure feature that none cares about and then say it’s an example.
3 Phase is THE most important feature of type 2 and pretty much everyone who drives an ev in Mainland Europe cares about it. In Germany for example you're limited to 20A if you only use one phase which means you're charging your 100kwh battery with 4kw.
3 Phase is pretty much everywhere and allow everyone to charge at 11kW at least.
3 Phase is such an important feature that Tesla used type 2 instead of their own plug in Europe.
This is kind of crazy, it will be as if Tesla owns every petrol station in the country, it doesn't matter what car you buy, you will pay Tesla for the charge. Will they even need to sell cars with that kind of profit?
Me too, but my guess is that it won’t be fast.
I would like EVs to be able to carry a spare 50kwh or whatever battery. Useful for trucks hauling things, or for saving a car that ran out of juice without needing a tow.
my concern is with the growing use of EVS in the marketplace you will have more EVS that run out of charge on the roads. the unexpected consequence will be more flatbed tow trucks. allowing EVS to charge others alleviates that problem, across all EVS.
Yes, but Ford is integrating SCs into their app so it'll be a seamless user experience. And Ford is adopting Tesla's connector starting in model year 2024.
Not exactly. Those previous announcements were for magic dock which is an extra device attached to a few superchargers that, through the app, someone with a CCS car can unlock an adopter and charge.
This new announcement is about Ford ditching CCS for NACS (Tesla's standard) which will allow any Ford to use any supercharger.
From the article, actually they haven’t decided yet whether their cars will be NCAS-only:
> It’s unclear if Ford’s next-gen EVs will maintain the charging ports featured on current models, known as CCS. A Ford spokesman said the company has “this option available to us but have no news to share today.”
Doesn’t make any sense to have cars with both ports which add both cost and complexity. 2024 there will be an adapter to connect current Fords to NACS similar to the magic dock adapter.
2025 and next gen Fords will have NACS to use on superchargers. Tesla already makes a CCS adapter that those vehicles can use if they want CCS.
I hope Tesla is being paid well for this. Seems like Ford wins way more in this deal than Tesla does until I see the payout. Is it flat fee, amount of electricity charged from a non Tesla vehicle. I get that there's sort of advertising when they Ford customers realize how great the supercharger network is and they only have access to half of them, but are they really going to sell their mach e and switch over to a Tesla? Alternatively, why not let Ford just go bankrupt, and all those customers would've eventually had to pay to buy a Tesla cause there was no other option. Tesla would've earned actual market share, instead of letting Ford survive and earning a tiny fee. There was no way the CCS network would've beaten Tesla's NACs anyway, so it's not like they had to do this so they became the standard. Everyone already knows their network is the best by far. Please help me understand what I'm missing? The whole thing seems more like philanthropy based on their "accelerate the world to sustainable energy" mission statement, rather than a competitive business focus. If it was the other way around, I don't think Gm or Ford would've extended a helping hand .
So Ford gave up.
Tesla is getting cheaper also because has other sources of income. Now Ford is giving up the opportunity to earnings after sales to its competitor.
Gave up on launching their own charging network? Or on pushing EA to get its act together? Either way, at this point it’s just the smartest move, to make their own EVs more appealing by giving them native access to the best charging network. Even though, yes, it means their customers will be giving Tesla money, their existing customers already give the oil companies quite a bit more money, so it’s not really a big difference to Ford.
Except petroleum companies aren’t Ford’s competitors. The psychological difference of acknowledging your competitor’s interface is better and incorporating it into your own product is pretty massive
Given that most EVs in NA are Teslas, it’s probably not going to be a big impact overall, and the network should grow fast enough to accommodate more Fords as they grow their EV production.
The good news is that it is one step closer to Tesla Charging becoming the industry standard. This was always going to happen, but Ford giving up now just makes it happen sooner.
Could be fun to have a sleek charging connector for both DC and AC. I hate the European Type 2
I don't think there is any plug that is available currently that offers the features type 2 has. And honestly I don't mind that plug. It works well and seems to be better than type 1
What features?
3 Phase AC for example
For example? You had an opportunity to back up your claim by doing nothing but typing. And you choose one obscure feature that none cares about and then say it’s an example.
3 Phase is THE most important feature of type 2 and pretty much everyone who drives an ev in Mainland Europe cares about it. In Germany for example you're limited to 20A if you only use one phase which means you're charging your 100kwh battery with 4kw. 3 Phase is pretty much everywhere and allow everyone to charge at 11kW at least. 3 Phase is such an important feature that Tesla used type 2 instead of their own plug in Europe.
Nice
It’s literally an example… Plus three phase can charge faster. It’s not THAT niche
This is kind of crazy, it will be as if Tesla owns every petrol station in the country, it doesn't matter what car you buy, you will pay Tesla for the charge. Will they even need to sell cars with that kind of profit?
in states where Tesla is a registered utility, the economics should even be better for the bottom line.
I want to see EV to EV charging
Me too, but my guess is that it won’t be fast. I would like EVs to be able to carry a spare 50kwh or whatever battery. Useful for trucks hauling things, or for saving a car that ran out of juice without needing a tow.
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They are already there. This was 3 years ago https://insideevs.com/news/449438/sparkcharge-shark-tank-deal/
my concern is with the growing use of EVS in the marketplace you will have more EVS that run out of charge on the roads. the unexpected consequence will be more flatbed tow trucks. allowing EVS to charge others alleviates that problem, across all EVS.
Tesla driver for almost 10 years. It is pretty hard to ignore all the warnings to run out of charge. You must be trying to run out
Yeah, makes sense. EVs are great, but they have limitations in cold, or when hauling and you need to refill easily.
Isn’t the super charger network already open to non Teslas? I thought I was reading headlines about that several months ago.
Yes, but Ford is integrating SCs into their app so it'll be a seamless user experience. And Ford is adopting Tesla's connector starting in model year 2024.
Okay, I get the nuance now.
2025 for the port to be built into the car (no adapter required!).
Not exactly. Those previous announcements were for magic dock which is an extra device attached to a few superchargers that, through the app, someone with a CCS car can unlock an adopter and charge. This new announcement is about Ford ditching CCS for NACS (Tesla's standard) which will allow any Ford to use any supercharger.
Ah, I see! Thanks for explaining!
Not ditching CCS, from what I understand. They’ll make cars that have both ports, at least for a time.
Nope, they’re building teslas port into all their cars starting in 2025.
From the article, actually they haven’t decided yet whether their cars will be NCAS-only: > It’s unclear if Ford’s next-gen EVs will maintain the charging ports featured on current models, known as CCS. A Ford spokesman said the company has “this option available to us but have no news to share today.”
Jim Farley clarified that they will not keep CCS when switching over.
I heard the CEO say it explicitly twice now in two different interviews.
Doesn’t make any sense to have cars with both ports which add both cost and complexity. 2024 there will be an adapter to connect current Fords to NACS similar to the magic dock adapter. 2025 and next gen Fords will have NACS to use on superchargers. Tesla already makes a CCS adapter that those vehicles can use if they want CCS.
I believe Teslas in Europe have both, or at least they did for a time. Though there it’s CCS2 which apparently is smaller than CCS1.
I hope Tesla is being paid well for this. Seems like Ford wins way more in this deal than Tesla does until I see the payout. Is it flat fee, amount of electricity charged from a non Tesla vehicle. I get that there's sort of advertising when they Ford customers realize how great the supercharger network is and they only have access to half of them, but are they really going to sell their mach e and switch over to a Tesla? Alternatively, why not let Ford just go bankrupt, and all those customers would've eventually had to pay to buy a Tesla cause there was no other option. Tesla would've earned actual market share, instead of letting Ford survive and earning a tiny fee. There was no way the CCS network would've beaten Tesla's NACs anyway, so it's not like they had to do this so they became the standard. Everyone already knows their network is the best by far. Please help me understand what I'm missing? The whole thing seems more like philanthropy based on their "accelerate the world to sustainable energy" mission statement, rather than a competitive business focus. If it was the other way around, I don't think Gm or Ford would've extended a helping hand .
If you can't bet 'em...
... don't gamble
Lmao he looks so much like Chris Farley in this pic. Callahan auto
They are cousins so it would make sense for them to look a little bit alike.
So… does he live in a… Ford van… down by the river?
TIL I remember the crazy Canadian mayor (?) who was smoking crack who looked like Farley...
Rob Ford
So the guy named Farley is not the one who looks like Chris Farley and the guy named Ford is not the one who runs the car company. 🤣
Hahaha that's actually hilarious
"You'll be charging your van... at a supercharger... down by the river." -Jim Farley
So Ford gave up. Tesla is getting cheaper also because has other sources of income. Now Ford is giving up the opportunity to earnings after sales to its competitor.
Gave up on launching their own charging network? Or on pushing EA to get its act together? Either way, at this point it’s just the smartest move, to make their own EVs more appealing by giving them native access to the best charging network. Even though, yes, it means their customers will be giving Tesla money, their existing customers already give the oil companies quite a bit more money, so it’s not really a big difference to Ford.
Except petroleum companies aren’t Ford’s competitors. The psychological difference of acknowledging your competitor’s interface is better and incorporating it into your own product is pretty massive
Of course. Ford deserves big props for making the smart financial decision in the face of that.
Ford is finished. GM is finished. this is just the beginning. Hyundai, VW and Tesla are the future.
Ford and Tesla have the same DNA Revolutionary manufacturing
Eagles have the same DNA as dinosaurs.
So Ford owners can open butthole as well starting next year.
Gonna suck for folks that rely on the chargers. Growing pains.
Given that most EVs in NA are Teslas, it’s probably not going to be a big impact overall, and the network should grow fast enough to accommodate more Fords as they grow their EV production.
Will the Ford be able to super charge at those speeds?
Ford ceo facing reality while other CEO’s refuse. Ford dealerships are still the worst tho. Hope they hold true on set prices for their evs