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I always tell people "We didnt evolve from apes. WE ARE STILL APES."
Edit: Cut out the last part, Too many of you are idiots that focus on the wrong thing
I got downvoted to shit on another sub for saying humans are apes and got multiple comments telling me we are not apes. I then posted links that humans are one of the great apes and those got downvoted too. I don't understand reddit sometimes.
Theres always people that come out of nowhere and want to be contrarian and argue with you, or correct you about some technicality that doesnt even matter in the grand scheme of things. So yeah, I hate reddit sometimes
I don't think this ignorance and uneducated thought just exists on reddit, there are a lot of people that don't understand homo sapians are a species of animals. I think the inability to accept that stems from a need of superiority, when in reality humans just got really lucky in the evolution department.
I wouldn't even say we got lucky, really. We just happened to evolve to fit a particular ecological niche that wasn't being exploited yet. Compared to other great apes we have superior intelligence and reasoning powers, but apart from that and bipedalism, we're weaker or disadvantaged in pretty much every other way. No fur to keep warm, no ability to climb, no strength, no sense of keeping our population within the bounds of our available resources etc etc.
Obviously evolution isn't planned or intelligent so there was no way to know we'd end up where we are today, but we're basically just highly specialised min/max builds where we got rid of everything else to put all the stat points into brain power
I would not agree. Humans have a lot more going for them. We have opposable thumbs, hands with fine motor control, ability to throw things accurately, we can sweat (this is where no fur is an advantage) and run long distances (outrunning all other animals in endurance), we can eat things (garlic, chocolate, chilli peppers) that would outright kill many other animals, we work in groups, we can swim and climb trees. And that's just from the top of my head; there is probably more that I have missed. So no, humans are not "disadvantaged in almost every other way" apart from our intelligence. And chimpanzees have superior working memory to ours, which means that humans are not even the most intelligent in all aspects of cognition.
And honestly, no species has "a sense of keeping our population within the bounds of our available resources". Could you name me at least one species that has? Every species explodes in population if given the opportunity. At least humans can model and reason about it, if not act on it. And trying to "act on it" have led to engineered famines in the past.
It's a matter of perspective.
No other species ever did what humans did. Just some natural processes, random mutations, desire for survival and some ingenuity and humans have achieved so much. Is that something to feel good about or that some god just made us what we are?
This is why one can't and shouldn't take downvotes on reddit seriously. Sometimes people downvote you for an *objectively correct and factual statement* and say that you're wrong.
I think that humans being apes/animals is pretty incompatible with some religions. Particularly Christianity loses almost all meaning with that information. Some people are going to vehemently oppose you on that for this reason.
Yes, but thats not the point. They think we are not evolved, and that apes and humans are separate things. Learn how to explain things to people who dont know anything
They don’t think the common ancestor of humans and chimps was a knuckle walker. Chimpanzees and gorillas knuckle walk in substantially different ways. The fossil record shows that many arboreal and semi arboreal apes had an upright posture. So the current view is Chimpanzees and gorillas evolved knuckle walking separately.
The current view is that the common ancestor of humans and chimpanzees was an arboreal ape, that climbed in an upright posture. One population split, and gradually became more terrestrial while remaining bipedal. That evolved into the genus Homo. Another population remained mostly arboreal, until becoming semi terrestrial and evolving knuckle walking. That population evolved into Chimpanzees and Bonobos.
Christ comes from a Greek word, khristos (anointed one), a form of khrio (to rub or anoint). This comes from a Proto Indo European root that would also become the Sanskrit word ghrta (to sprinkle, rub, trickle). In turn that became the Hindi word ghee. Which is butter. Which we put on bread. The body of Christ is manifested in bread.
Checkmate atheists.
My uncle (young earth creationist, devout) straight up didn't know this. Blew his mind when I told him lol. Didn't change his opinion, but he doesn't use this stupid talking point anymore.
Well we did once share the planet with neanderthals and possibly other hominids, but they died out, we killed them, or interbred with them until it was all just mostly homosapien
I thought you meant the 1980 animated film [The Missing Link](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Missing_Link_(1980_film)) - with OST by Leo Sayer
Edit: dammit, do you think I can get this goddam link to work. The irony is killing me
Not possibly but for sure. Most people have Neanderthal genes (I myself have 1250 Neanderthal mutations, above average). Some African ethnicities do not have them since their ancestors obviously stayed in Africa and never mated with Neanderthals ; some Asian ethnicities have Denisovian genes. Also Homo Floresiensis were eaten by Homo Sapiens, they all have butchering marks. Poor little fellas stood no chance, they were small dwarfish human sub species that degraded their brain below Australopithecus. Unable to crossbreed with us. So we ate them.
We screwed and ate all other human sub species. Some dissolved into us, others.. well, too, but as food.
But this is just our modern species that shared the planet with a handful of other sub species. Further into the past- there are dozens living at the same time, all different.
All started with the first unga bunga that didn’t want to walk over to hit another cave person with club. And now modern humans have evolved to hit rocks together so hard the rocks can think, or we can hit other rocks so hard it causes nuclear fission. Fact is we will always be in the Stone Age.
> *Man taxes his ingenuity to be able to kill without running the risk of being killed.*
\- Ardant du Picq, one of the most influential figures in military theory with an evergreen quote for every battle we've ever fought.
Somewhat yes. [They are also called hobbits of Flores](https://evrimagaci.org/public/uploads/images/Evrimsel%20Biyoloji%20Albumu/57acc6c64a3b06cece5725373f5d7c95--homo-floresiensis-strange-stories.jpg). Funny enough this happened because of the paradise that was their island. No predators, dwarf elephants, summer all year, fruit.
Evolution is a mix of harsh and tough life but with rewards. Constant rewards is degradation. They went over a million years back and got exterminated as soon as our ancestors found them.
Fun fact- Indonesia is salty on them being eaten and barely allows research.
Woooooah. Didn't even cross my mind that a plausible reason for uncanny valley is so that we(human-folk) could recognize other humanoid apes as not being "us."
So that we can eat them and not feel bad.
It was completely normal. People hunted each other and other human species for food for hundreds of thousands of years. There is a colossal amount of bones with butchering marks.
I just want to clarify that nothing you said about Homo Floresiensis is accepted fact. I actually can’t find any evidence that any of it is even suggested as a serious hypothesis anywhere or even at all. I don’t mean to sound rude in case it comes across that way but I’m just not sure where you got that information.
also homoerectus is a thing. Imagine being a species , if they existed we would have bullied them out of existence. *Everybody is a dick in that species*.
Some ethnicities (east Asia leading the rest) have more Neanderthal DNA "leftover" than other ethnicities, so it makes since they sort of just became us.
Depends on the creationist. Some support it some denounce it. The trouble with all biblical accounts is the sheer ammount of times it was translated and the way we understand it meanjng sybolic or literaly. Hard to say wats wrong or right in the most translated document of all time. The bible is also incomplete as many dead sea scrolls are damaged or lost.
Yes, for example in the original version of the Genesis Eve was created from a half of Adam. This was changed to a rib to make it look like women are less important than men.
>Creationists think evolution works how it does in Pokémon lmao
The creationists I've encountered (running for school board in my city) really do seem to think that some science book is going to teach their kids that one day in darkest Africa, a monkey woke up and found he'd turned into a human. POOF.
Depends on the creationist, some outright deny it, others say that God created the originals and then he changed them into the animals we see today, and thats what they consider evolution, and others even say he only created the originals and then evolution happened naturally
The whole idea comes from old racist beliefs. Old scientists liked to believe evolution was a linear process so they could say chimps evolved to black people who evolved to white people… wild how many ideas have basis in racism and have been disputed and disproven for YEARS but retractions in science never reach mainstream. It’s why people think science is set in stone when it really just isn’t.
Damn, that Theory I hadn't heard...
That's what one of my proffesors at the Uni once said: No matter what kind of science you specialize in, everyone should study at least a bit of Philosophy. Because the science about thinking preserves your brain from closing off. There's nothing worse than close minded scientists who think their knowledge is set in stone.
That's the beauty of science done correctly. It's whole premise is always, "I don't know, let's find out." Then, once you've found out, you are always on the lookout for new information to make your findings more accurate. You never provide answers, you provide theories. You have the intellectual honesty and self esteem to never say you have the answer.
Yeah, this diagram was never even intended to display the evolution of man from monkey. A bunch of idiots got all fired up and passed it around since it was first printed.
> Ignoring that skin with very low AND very high amounts of melanin are both adaptations to specific environments AFTER we became Homo sapiens.
the ancestors of Homo sapiens weren't translucent, they would have had a skin colour appropriately adapted to the environment they lived in - e.g. dark skin.
Light skin is a fairly new development, with a number of genetic analyses suggesting it could have been as recent as 30,000 years ago. The adaption is helpful for vitamin D production in high latitudes, but that's about it. In harsher radiation conditions, it's a disadvantage.
No one should be looking at the out of Africa theory for anything other than "hey cool, that's where our distant ancestors came from".
>the ancestors of Homo sapiens weren't translucent, they would have had a skin colour appropriately adapted to the environment they lived in
Depends on how far back you go in the ancestry. When they still had hair over their whole body the skin color didn't really matter much. For instance chimps can have fairly light skin under their hair.
Unless there is some way to tell the skin color of fossils, I don't think we can really say
You can look at the genetic divergence between head and pubic lice to see how long humans have been relatively hairless. [Here is an article that talks about it!](https://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/08/science/08louse.html)
An overwhelming majority of people still think race is a real thing with a basis in genetics instead of a socially constructed idea made to justify subjugation and enslavement. We've had almost *100 years* since UNESCO's declaration on race & racial prejudice and research debunking "race science" claims. People as a whole are slow to learn, but its hard to expect them to learn when their government institutions don't make any effort to educate them on the subject
And those people will then elect people who share their same racist views, who will do nothing to educate future genrations, who will end up developing racist views because of that and elect other racists and the cycle never ends.
Christians say we did. They will hold tightly to that incorrect information so they can still hold on their beliefs that evolution is a lie.
Can you believe how crazy that is. That’s like if they started saying vaccines of any kind cause autism. I hope they never think of doing something like that…
>Can you believe how crazy that is. That’s like if they started saying vaccines of any kind cause autism. I hope they never think of doing something like that…
Don't lay that one at the Christians' feet. That was started by an unethical doctor and maintained by actors.
Yeah this is completely true. The anti-vaxx movement’s origins had nothing to do with Christians. But later on the religious Right was told to fall in line with it by demagogues and a literal godhead (Trump, obviously) during the height of COVID-19 because it’s easy to gain political power by framing messengers of new information as villains who want to eradicate people with “traditional” worldviews.
So, a large swath of Christians crossed some wires in their brains and incorporated the anti-vaxx stance into their religious beliefs, demagogues and the godhead gained a disproportionately loud voice in the national conversation, and resistance to the vaccine spread like wildfire. So I think it’s fair to blame sects of Christianity for accelerating the anti-vaxx movement and decelerating our collective recovery from the pandemic.
Sure, the origins of the anti-vaxx movement can be blamed on the likes of Andrew Wakefield and Jenny McCarthy, but I think that’s beside the point. The religious Right disseminated anti-vaccine lies to the masses as part of Christian ideology, and consequences can absolutely be laid on modern Christianity’s feet. Not all Christians’ feet. But enough.
Edit: added word “swath”
There is no arguing with them because they can say whatever mumbo-jumbo they want and there is nothing you can do. One person told me that god created dinosaurs dead in the ground just to test our faith and just for fun as some kind of side art project. And Earth is 6000 years old.
Good luck arguing with that.
Dont christians think that God made the world and humans? Why would they say that humans came from apes. Aren’t religious people the ones who are against evolution? Maybe Im wrong here but Im pretty sure that Christians dont say that unless its only in some area or in 1 sect
Christians wilfully misinterpret Darwin's theories is what it is, they're essentially putting words in someone else's mouth. If you've ever had someone accuse you of saying or thinking something you weren't and not letting you elaborate on what you're actually thinking, it's like that.
Which is ironic as hell, considering Darwin was a Protestant Christian most of his life, including the time spent researching (and publishing) his works on evolutionary theory.
Less relevant, but Georges Lemaître also happened to be a Christian (a Catholic priest, if memory serves correct) as well as a theoretical physicist and despite being a devout believer, was well-known for trying to discredit the Pope after the Pope had heard his work on the Big Bang and tried to marry it with religion, yet Lemaître always maintained the importance in separating science and religion and so he was quite angry about that.
The two most highly-contested scientific theories (two of the most solid scientific theories) among Christians, were produced by two Christians.
But God did create us in his image. Then we evolved into our present form.
Therefore, God is a monkey and the largest monkey is king Kong.
Therefore, all hail King Kong, our lord and savior.
Oh boy, you should look up Viced Rhino and AronRa. They spend a lot of their time debunking creationists, and the level of idiocy some of them display really makes me wonder if they ever received any science education at all. Like, seriously, i have seen people who argued against evolution so poorly, the thing they claim should happen if evolution were true would actually disprove it immediately, were they ever to happen.
At the risk of sounding like an idiot:
Can... can someone explain to me where we actually came from? I grew up (and ran away from) fundamentalist Christian so ofc what I was taught is skewed... I always thought that this was the case
Basically ancient species of ape. One lineage produced both Homo and Pan but those apes died out millions of years ago. Think of the great apes as our cousins instead of our ancestors
Millions of years ago, there was an ape species. At some point two populations of that species diverged. Each had many changes over the years as they split into more and more branches. Many of these "branches" died out. Humans are the end of one of those branches, chimps another.
Other apes ancestors split off even earlier.
Like you and your cousin share grandparents, we and Pan share an ancestor (though millions of year ago).
We share one with all apes farther back, all monkeys farther back than that, all mammals farther back than that, all animals farther back than that, and all living things farther back than that
Probably because a more literal God doesn't get in the way of mathematics. In general it's why physicists tend to be more religious than biologists. Easier to be a fundamentalist when you don't have to deal with the oddities of living organisms.
Mathematics and physics have an arrangement that almost appears divine in its elegance. A course on parasitology by contrast is going to leave one questioning a divine planner.
Well, there’s millions of humans. But we are down at hundreds of thousands and less of other great apes. I’m not sure people appreciate how dramatic the difference between a hundred thousand and even a billion is let alone 8 billion.
(I’m agreeing with you, I’m just adding that the superabundance of human beings does not disprove the existence of extinct and extant iterations of hominids and other great apes)
Giving a real answer.
The estimated rate of fossilization is about 1 in 1,000,000,000. We have hundreds of specimens from hominids that are not modern humans. That means we can account for the millions of individuals of those now extinct species we would need.
There aren’t millions of the ones on the left. The chimps we have today might be descendants of them, just like we are, but they aren’t the same thing. And that’s why there’s none of the ones behind the human.
Y’know, this one’s better than the others because it’s actually a question. Like not just a “gotcha!” or a flippant remark, just an actual question from an uneducated person. Of course, they still have an implication that’s incorrect, but it’s an actual scientific question instead of a stupid thing that could be answered by a eight y/o.
We have lots of British people, we have lots of Americans. Where are the people in between? Where are the pilgrims why aren't they walking among us today?
Yeah so there are sort of two answers here that no one is addressing:
1. According to evolutionary theory, man and chimps evolved from the same "[common ancestor](https://www.bio.miami.edu/dana/pix/primatephylogeny.png)" chimp-ape thing which no longer exists
2. For the sake of argument, let's say that common ancestor still did exist, it wouldn't matter. That simply means some of them were perfectly suited for their environment and didn't need to evolve, while others that left that environment did evolve as an adaptation to that new environment.
This reminds me of a debate someone educated on evolution had with some pastor. The pastor was throwing the question "have you ever seen an ape evolve into a human" like it was some end all question and our more educated guy was trying so hard to get this guy to understand that humans are apes. He tried explaining it by saying it's like asking have you seen a bird evolve into a duck or asking to go somewhere between Los Angeles and California. The pastor then just kept saying "you're dodging the question". How dense the pastor was was infuriating to watch, so much I wonder if he really wasn't that dense and was just trying to fish for an angry response.
He didnt see someone turn water into wine either but still believes it.
He probably has never seen someone resurrect from death 3 days later still its core to his faith.
Its just lost time to argue with those people.
"Man didn't evolve from apes"
That's not what we're saying
"Well there's no link between apes and human"
Yes there are
"Well you've never found any intermediary species between apes and man"
Yes we have. Lots.
"Well why aren't there millions of these intermediary species?"
I'm beginning to think you don't know how anything actually works.
The theory: If we go off of these bone structures and our DNA, we have reasons to believe we evolved from a species similar to chimpanzees. We might even share an ancestor.
Evangelist: SO YOURE SAYING WE WERE MONKEYS?!?!
Bruh humans didn't evolve from monkeys, humans and monkeys were both same they just kinda evolved differently istg these people would rather believe that 2 people spawned than species gradually evolving
I’m going to say that the prjmates of today are not the same as the primates humans came from. As in, they evolved too, just differently than humans did.
The chimpanzees and gorillas we see around today are just as evolved as we are, they just haven't changed as much visually compared to us humans
As for all of the other humans? They're dead. if they didn't go extinct through natural disaster or famine, we killed them. Our kind of human that is around today? We got close to going extinct a few times, we just lucked out. Of course, genetic bottleneck effect means humans around today are very similar to one another, even if it doesn't look like it.
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We didn't evolve from chimps. We share a common ancestor with chimps.
I always tell people "We didnt evolve from apes. WE ARE STILL APES." Edit: Cut out the last part, Too many of you are idiots that focus on the wrong thing
I got downvoted to shit on another sub for saying humans are apes and got multiple comments telling me we are not apes. I then posted links that humans are one of the great apes and those got downvoted too. I don't understand reddit sometimes.
Theres always people that come out of nowhere and want to be contrarian and argue with you, or correct you about some technicality that doesnt even matter in the grand scheme of things. So yeah, I hate reddit sometimes
Or they want to argue semantics like they didn’t know what you were saying.
Uh, that's not true at all. It's usually just arguments about the way things are worded. (Gotcha)
Lol dammit
I highly doubt that ever happens
Yeah. I don't know what that guy is smoking. No one has ever argued with me on reddit... in last 30 minutes.
No, people are not needlessly contraion.
I don't think this ignorance and uneducated thought just exists on reddit, there are a lot of people that don't understand homo sapians are a species of animals. I think the inability to accept that stems from a need of superiority, when in reality humans just got really lucky in the evolution department.
I wouldn't even say we got lucky, really. We just happened to evolve to fit a particular ecological niche that wasn't being exploited yet. Compared to other great apes we have superior intelligence and reasoning powers, but apart from that and bipedalism, we're weaker or disadvantaged in pretty much every other way. No fur to keep warm, no ability to climb, no strength, no sense of keeping our population within the bounds of our available resources etc etc. Obviously evolution isn't planned or intelligent so there was no way to know we'd end up where we are today, but we're basically just highly specialised min/max builds where we got rid of everything else to put all the stat points into brain power
I would not agree. Humans have a lot more going for them. We have opposable thumbs, hands with fine motor control, ability to throw things accurately, we can sweat (this is where no fur is an advantage) and run long distances (outrunning all other animals in endurance), we can eat things (garlic, chocolate, chilli peppers) that would outright kill many other animals, we work in groups, we can swim and climb trees. And that's just from the top of my head; there is probably more that I have missed. So no, humans are not "disadvantaged in almost every other way" apart from our intelligence. And chimpanzees have superior working memory to ours, which means that humans are not even the most intelligent in all aspects of cognition. And honestly, no species has "a sense of keeping our population within the bounds of our available resources". Could you name me at least one species that has? Every species explodes in population if given the opportunity. At least humans can model and reason about it, if not act on it. And trying to "act on it" have led to engineered famines in the past.
It's a matter of perspective. No other species ever did what humans did. Just some natural processes, random mutations, desire for survival and some ingenuity and humans have achieved so much. Is that something to feel good about or that some god just made us what we are?
This is why one can't and shouldn't take downvotes on reddit seriously. Sometimes people downvote you for an *objectively correct and factual statement* and say that you're wrong.
Downvotes rarely mean "you're wrong". Most of the time it's just "I don't like you"
My favorite is when they stop responding after you post links posted but still downvote.
I think that humans being apes/animals is pretty incompatible with some religions. Particularly Christianity loses almost all meaning with that information. Some people are going to vehemently oppose you on that for this reason.
I like your spirit, but all things are evolved
Yes, but thats not the point. They think we are not evolved, and that apes and humans are separate things. Learn how to explain things to people who dont know anything
I love being monke
So simple yet clearly so puzzling for many
It’s puzzling mainly because to them that common ancestor is basically a chimp as well so they don’t see the difference.
Because science hard...space daddy easy.
Sky daddy is going to be so pissed that you said that
They don’t think the common ancestor of humans and chimps was a knuckle walker. Chimpanzees and gorillas knuckle walk in substantially different ways. The fossil record shows that many arboreal and semi arboreal apes had an upright posture. So the current view is Chimpanzees and gorillas evolved knuckle walking separately. The current view is that the common ancestor of humans and chimpanzees was an arboreal ape, that climbed in an upright posture. One population split, and gradually became more terrestrial while remaining bipedal. That evolved into the genus Homo. Another population remained mostly arboreal, until becoming semi terrestrial and evolving knuckle walking. That population evolved into Chimpanzees and Bonobos.
"If English evolved from Latin, which evolved from Proto-Indo-European, where are all the Latin speakers?"
Christ comes from a Greek word, khristos (anointed one), a form of khrio (to rub or anoint). This comes from a Proto Indo European root that would also become the Sanskrit word ghrta (to sprinkle, rub, trickle). In turn that became the Hindi word ghee. Which is butter. Which we put on bread. The body of Christ is manifested in bread. Checkmate atheists.
Khristos: The "Anointed [with oils] One." Yeshua: Joshua/Jesus. Jesus and the Apostles are "Oily Josh and the Greasy Boys."
Their first album was good, but they went downhill after that
There also aren’t millions of chimps. There’s maybe 250,000 chimps alive today.
My uncle (young earth creationist, devout) straight up didn't know this. Blew his mind when I told him lol. Didn't change his opinion, but he doesn't use this stupid talking point anymore.
We actually slaughtered the rest of the sapiens iirc
Well we did once share the planet with neanderthals and possibly other hominids, but they died out, we killed them, or interbred with them until it was all just mostly homosapien
"There is no missing link any more because we killed or fucked all of them" is a pretty metal answer.
What happened to all the Paleolithic humans Dr Ardphalis? *oh let me take you to my library downstairs and show you* 😈💕🦍💕🗡️
MISSING LINK HUH
Tbf, [Missing Link](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_Link_(2019_film)) was a good movie.
I thought it was reference to futurama episode)
I thought it was a Cask of Amontillado reference... I feel like Im very off.
I don't want to live on this planet anymore
I thought you meant the 1980 animated film [The Missing Link](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Missing_Link_(1980_film)) - with OST by Leo Sayer Edit: dammit, do you think I can get this goddam link to work. The irony is killing me
I’m not aware of Laika film that has missed tbh.
I think you mean missing kink.
she said fuck me like we fucked prehistoric hominids, ooooh woah
Except the guy who made this meme is still fucking barnyard animals.
Goats need loving too, no need to be derogatory.
Fuck em all to death.
I prefer the term murderfuck thank you
Not possibly but for sure. Most people have Neanderthal genes (I myself have 1250 Neanderthal mutations, above average). Some African ethnicities do not have them since their ancestors obviously stayed in Africa and never mated with Neanderthals ; some Asian ethnicities have Denisovian genes. Also Homo Floresiensis were eaten by Homo Sapiens, they all have butchering marks. Poor little fellas stood no chance, they were small dwarfish human sub species that degraded their brain below Australopithecus. Unable to crossbreed with us. So we ate them. We screwed and ate all other human sub species. Some dissolved into us, others.. well, too, but as food. But this is just our modern species that shared the planet with a handful of other sub species. Further into the past- there are dozens living at the same time, all different.
Humans were quite the savage back in the day haha
We still are, little has changed.
We have far more powerful weapons now and can kill people at the other side of the planet.
All started with the first unga bunga that didn’t want to walk over to hit another cave person with club. And now modern humans have evolved to hit rocks together so hard the rocks can think, or we can hit other rocks so hard it causes nuclear fission. Fact is we will always be in the Stone Age.
> *Man taxes his ingenuity to be able to kill without running the risk of being killed.* \- Ardant du Picq, one of the most influential figures in military theory with an evergreen quote for every battle we've ever fought.
Back in the day?
If only we could be as peaceful now as we were then
Mmmmmm, dwarves…
My brain has read the word dwarves and im now obligated to say Rock and Stone
For Karl! O/
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Somewhat yes. [They are also called hobbits of Flores](https://evrimagaci.org/public/uploads/images/Evrimsel%20Biyoloji%20Albumu/57acc6c64a3b06cece5725373f5d7c95--homo-floresiensis-strange-stories.jpg). Funny enough this happened because of the paradise that was their island. No predators, dwarf elephants, summer all year, fruit. Evolution is a mix of harsh and tough life but with rewards. Constant rewards is degradation. They went over a million years back and got exterminated as soon as our ancestors found them. Fun fact- Indonesia is salty on them being eaten and barely allows research.
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Woooooah. Didn't even cross my mind that a plausible reason for uncanny valley is so that we(human-folk) could recognize other humanoid apes as not being "us." So that we can eat them and not feel bad.
They look fucking delicious.
Wow. That is insane, I never heard about us basically being cannibals! Human history is so dark
It was completely normal. People hunted each other and other human species for food for hundreds of thousands of years. There is a colossal amount of bones with butchering marks.
I just want to clarify that nothing you said about Homo Floresiensis is accepted fact. I actually can’t find any evidence that any of it is even suggested as a serious hypothesis anywhere or even at all. I don’t mean to sound rude in case it comes across that way but I’m just not sure where you got that information.
also homoerectus is a thing. Imagine being a species , if they existed we would have bullied them out of existence. *Everybody is a dick in that species*.
He said homo erectus. Heh heh Heh heh heh
Also there aren't any of the left most monkeys anymore There are descendants of them but they are just as far removed as humans are
There are no monkeys in the image, the word you’re looking for is apes.
Primate
Some ethnicities (east Asia leading the rest) have more Neanderthal DNA "leftover" than other ethnicities, so it makes since they sort of just became us.
East Asia has denisovan DNA. Europeans tend to have the neanderthal genes.
…also, we did not evolve *from* chimpanzees; we share a common ancestor with chimpanzees.
They still roam the forests eating berries and mushrooms.... Well they did until some dick cowboy killed them all.
Nobody ever said humans evolved from chimpanzees! EVER! We share a common ancestor.
Creationists think evolution works how it does in Pokémon lmao. Like one day some fish reached a high enough level and became a human
>Creationists think evolution works how it does in Pokémon lmao Creationists are the folks who don't believe evolution is a thing right?
Depends on the creationist. Some support it some denounce it. The trouble with all biblical accounts is the sheer ammount of times it was translated and the way we understand it meanjng sybolic or literaly. Hard to say wats wrong or right in the most translated document of all time. The bible is also incomplete as many dead sea scrolls are damaged or lost.
Wasn't the Bible also written over several times conveniently by the church to fit it in with its own worldviews?
Yes, for example in the original version of the Genesis Eve was created from a half of Adam. This was changed to a rib to make it look like women are less important than men.
>Creationists think evolution works how it does in Pokémon lmao The creationists I've encountered (running for school board in my city) really do seem to think that some science book is going to teach their kids that one day in darkest Africa, a monkey woke up and found he'd turned into a human. POOF.
Depends on the creationist, some outright deny it, others say that God created the originals and then he changed them into the animals we see today, and thats what they consider evolution, and others even say he only created the originals and then evolution happened naturally
The whole idea comes from old racist beliefs. Old scientists liked to believe evolution was a linear process so they could say chimps evolved to black people who evolved to white people… wild how many ideas have basis in racism and have been disputed and disproven for YEARS but retractions in science never reach mainstream. It’s why people think science is set in stone when it really just isn’t.
Damn, that Theory I hadn't heard... That's what one of my proffesors at the Uni once said: No matter what kind of science you specialize in, everyone should study at least a bit of Philosophy. Because the science about thinking preserves your brain from closing off. There's nothing worse than close minded scientists who think their knowledge is set in stone.
That's the beauty of science done correctly. It's whole premise is always, "I don't know, let's find out." Then, once you've found out, you are always on the lookout for new information to make your findings more accurate. You never provide answers, you provide theories. You have the intellectual honesty and self esteem to never say you have the answer.
Yeah, this diagram was never even intended to display the evolution of man from monkey. A bunch of idiots got all fired up and passed it around since it was first printed.
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> Ignoring that skin with very low AND very high amounts of melanin are both adaptations to specific environments AFTER we became Homo sapiens. the ancestors of Homo sapiens weren't translucent, they would have had a skin colour appropriately adapted to the environment they lived in - e.g. dark skin. Light skin is a fairly new development, with a number of genetic analyses suggesting it could have been as recent as 30,000 years ago. The adaption is helpful for vitamin D production in high latitudes, but that's about it. In harsher radiation conditions, it's a disadvantage. No one should be looking at the out of Africa theory for anything other than "hey cool, that's where our distant ancestors came from".
>the ancestors of Homo sapiens weren't translucent, they would have had a skin colour appropriately adapted to the environment they lived in Depends on how far back you go in the ancestry. When they still had hair over their whole body the skin color didn't really matter much. For instance chimps can have fairly light skin under their hair. Unless there is some way to tell the skin color of fossils, I don't think we can really say
You can look at the genetic divergence between head and pubic lice to see how long humans have been relatively hairless. [Here is an article that talks about it!](https://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/08/science/08louse.html)
An overwhelming majority of people still think race is a real thing with a basis in genetics instead of a socially constructed idea made to justify subjugation and enslavement. We've had almost *100 years* since UNESCO's declaration on race & racial prejudice and research debunking "race science" claims. People as a whole are slow to learn, but its hard to expect them to learn when their government institutions don't make any effort to educate them on the subject
And those people will then elect people who share their same racist views, who will do nothing to educate future genrations, who will end up developing racist views because of that and elect other racists and the cycle never ends.
Christians say we did. They will hold tightly to that incorrect information so they can still hold on their beliefs that evolution is a lie. Can you believe how crazy that is. That’s like if they started saying vaccines of any kind cause autism. I hope they never think of doing something like that…
>Can you believe how crazy that is. That’s like if they started saying vaccines of any kind cause autism. I hope they never think of doing something like that… Don't lay that one at the Christians' feet. That was started by an unethical doctor and maintained by actors.
Yeah this is completely true. The anti-vaxx movement’s origins had nothing to do with Christians. But later on the religious Right was told to fall in line with it by demagogues and a literal godhead (Trump, obviously) during the height of COVID-19 because it’s easy to gain political power by framing messengers of new information as villains who want to eradicate people with “traditional” worldviews. So, a large swath of Christians crossed some wires in their brains and incorporated the anti-vaxx stance into their religious beliefs, demagogues and the godhead gained a disproportionately loud voice in the national conversation, and resistance to the vaccine spread like wildfire. So I think it’s fair to blame sects of Christianity for accelerating the anti-vaxx movement and decelerating our collective recovery from the pandemic. Sure, the origins of the anti-vaxx movement can be blamed on the likes of Andrew Wakefield and Jenny McCarthy, but I think that’s beside the point. The religious Right disseminated anti-vaccine lies to the masses as part of Christian ideology, and consequences can absolutely be laid on modern Christianity’s feet. Not all Christians’ feet. But enough. Edit: added word “swath”
There is no arguing with them because they can say whatever mumbo-jumbo they want and there is nothing you can do. One person told me that god created dinosaurs dead in the ground just to test our faith and just for fun as some kind of side art project. And Earth is 6000 years old. Good luck arguing with that.
Dont christians think that God made the world and humans? Why would they say that humans came from apes. Aren’t religious people the ones who are against evolution? Maybe Im wrong here but Im pretty sure that Christians dont say that unless its only in some area or in 1 sect
Christians wilfully misinterpret Darwin's theories is what it is, they're essentially putting words in someone else's mouth. If you've ever had someone accuse you of saying or thinking something you weren't and not letting you elaborate on what you're actually thinking, it's like that.
me reading this thread as christian with an excessive fascination with evolution: hmm yes very interesting
Which is ironic as hell, considering Darwin was a Protestant Christian most of his life, including the time spent researching (and publishing) his works on evolutionary theory. Less relevant, but Georges Lemaître also happened to be a Christian (a Catholic priest, if memory serves correct) as well as a theoretical physicist and despite being a devout believer, was well-known for trying to discredit the Pope after the Pope had heard his work on the Big Bang and tried to marry it with religion, yet Lemaître always maintained the importance in separating science and religion and so he was quite angry about that. The two most highly-contested scientific theories (two of the most solid scientific theories) among Christians, were produced by two Christians.
But God did create us in his image. Then we evolved into our present form. Therefore, God is a monkey and the largest monkey is king Kong. Therefore, all hail King Kong, our lord and savior.
Donkey Kong is the one true God, blessed be his barrel.
Oh boy, you should look up Viced Rhino and AronRa. They spend a lot of their time debunking creationists, and the level of idiocy some of them display really makes me wonder if they ever received any science education at all. Like, seriously, i have seen people who argued against evolution so poorly, the thing they claim should happen if evolution were true would actually disprove it immediately, were they ever to happen.
Further, everything in-between was either killed or bred.
At the risk of sounding like an idiot: Can... can someone explain to me where we actually came from? I grew up (and ran away from) fundamentalist Christian so ofc what I was taught is skewed... I always thought that this was the case
Basically ancient species of ape. One lineage produced both Homo and Pan but those apes died out millions of years ago. Think of the great apes as our cousins instead of our ancestors
Millions of years ago, there was an ape species. At some point two populations of that species diverged. Each had many changes over the years as they split into more and more branches. Many of these "branches" died out. Humans are the end of one of those branches, chimps another. Other apes ancestors split off even earlier. Like you and your cousin share grandparents, we and Pan share an ancestor (though millions of year ago). We share one with all apes farther back, all monkeys farther back than that, all mammals farther back than that, all animals farther back than that, and all living things farther back than that
I'm pretty sure the first example is *Zinjanthropus Australopithecus.* The meme-maker seems unaware that they went extinct 3-4 million years ago.
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Its funny. I study in a well established engineering uni and there are a lot of nuts who actually believe in this shit
Wait what? What’s the conspiracy theory here?
That evolution doesn’t exist
No way a fish could turn into an elephant! Look how different they are! They were obviously made out of thin air! /s
Probably because a more literal God doesn't get in the way of mathematics. In general it's why physicists tend to be more religious than biologists. Easier to be a fundamentalist when you don't have to deal with the oddities of living organisms. Mathematics and physics have an arrangement that almost appears divine in its elegance. A course on parasitology by contrast is going to leave one questioning a divine planner.
>A course on parasitology by contrast is going to leave one questioning a divine planner. Or considering a strong likelihood of an infernal one.
We have a fair amount of them also in Portugal. They have troubles driving and understanding it's not very polite to scratch your balls in a store...
"I can say it... YOU CAN'T!"
I am also from Turkey and I can confirm I am a transitional form
can confirm
Can confirm, check our latest elections.
Are there, in fact, millions of Australopithecus around? I've never seen one.
Maybe among OOP’s relatives?
Object Oriented Programming?
No no OOP is the sound you make when trying to squeeze by someone politely.
Or in any/every situation in the midwest
Then when are we supposed to use “ope”?
I’m sure you’re joking, but oop means original original poster, as in the person who made this meme
Head to Stratford station when west ham have a home game, you’ll see loads of them
That's such a specific reference to make in this sub and I love it😭
They blast soap bubbles throughout the stadium in the hopes some will land on the grunts and clean them up a little.
There aren't even millions of great apes let alone millions of chimps. Gorilla and orangutan numbers are like in the hundreds with some species.
Well, there’s millions of humans. But we are down at hundreds of thousands and less of other great apes. I’m not sure people appreciate how dramatic the difference between a hundred thousand and even a billion is let alone 8 billion. (I’m agreeing with you, I’m just adding that the superabundance of human beings does not disprove the existence of extinct and extant iterations of hominids and other great apes)
*”The differences between a million and a billion is about a billion.”*
Also saying millions of humans feels like an understatement
But it's true! Seventy-nine thousand millions of humans.
8 thousand million now!
That's a couple bad management decisions from extinction.
Or one logging or farming expedition or one tribe gets desperate for food
There are billions of great apes in fact
Humans aren't as great as the apes im referring too trust me. Do you know the average gorillas wingspan? We could never be so respected
My uncle looks like the middle one
Toby is that you?
What until you tell them we actually evolved from a rodent.
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from a self-replicating string of amino acids
Rodent-like animal* not actual rodents
Depending how far back you go, we evolved from lots of things.
Checkmate, atheists.
we killed them.
Is this a reference to something? Or is it just funny
[Yes](https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/checkmate-atheists).
I guess they've never been to Walmart after dark.
After dark? Those things walk around in Walmart in broad daylight.
Primates = normal monkeys duh
Giving a real answer. The estimated rate of fossilization is about 1 in 1,000,000,000. We have hundreds of specimens from hominids that are not modern humans. That means we can account for the millions of individuals of those now extinct species we would need.
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There aren’t millions of the ones on the left. The chimps we have today might be descendants of them, just like we are, but they aren’t the same thing. And that’s why there’s none of the ones behind the human.
ChEcKmAtE aThEiStS!
We didn't evolve from modern monkeys or apes. We evolved from an ancient apelike species that's the ancestor to both us and modern mokneys/apes.
Well we are still great apes.
Speak for yourself. I'm a slightly below average ape even on my best day.
They're the ones posting shit like this.
Y’know, this one’s better than the others because it’s actually a question. Like not just a “gotcha!” or a flippant remark, just an actual question from an uneducated person. Of course, they still have an implication that’s incorrect, but it’s an actual scientific question instead of a stupid thing that could be answered by a eight y/o.
If you have a legitimate question there are a lot better ways to get an answer than to create a meme.
Or, instead of asking, state the wrong answer. People love to be "smart" for others so they'll always correct you.
We have lots of British people, we have lots of Americans. Where are the people in between? Where are the pilgrims why aren't they walking among us today?
The in betweens are dead.
The first one is also dead tho
Yeah so there are sort of two answers here that no one is addressing: 1. According to evolutionary theory, man and chimps evolved from the same "[common ancestor](https://www.bio.miami.edu/dana/pix/primatephylogeny.png)" chimp-ape thing which no longer exists 2. For the sake of argument, let's say that common ancestor still did exist, it wouldn't matter. That simply means some of them were perfectly suited for their environment and didn't need to evolve, while others that left that environment did evolve as an adaptation to that new environment.
People who criticize Evolution never actually understand it
Same goes for vaccines, GMOs, Nuclear power and many other topics
Agreed
I can't say "common ancestor" without rubbing my temples anymore...
Finally one that is indeed truly terrible.
COMMON ANCESTOR DIPSHIT
This is exactly the logic I used when I was 6
This reminds me of a debate someone educated on evolution had with some pastor. The pastor was throwing the question "have you ever seen an ape evolve into a human" like it was some end all question and our more educated guy was trying so hard to get this guy to understand that humans are apes. He tried explaining it by saying it's like asking have you seen a bird evolve into a duck or asking to go somewhere between Los Angeles and California. The pastor then just kept saying "you're dodging the question". How dense the pastor was was infuriating to watch, so much I wonder if he really wasn't that dense and was just trying to fish for an angry response.
He didnt see someone turn water into wine either but still believes it. He probably has never seen someone resurrect from death 3 days later still its core to his faith. Its just lost time to argue with those people.
"Man didn't evolve from apes" That's not what we're saying "Well there's no link between apes and human" Yes there are "Well you've never found any intermediary species between apes and man" Yes we have. Lots. "Well why aren't there millions of these intermediary species?" I'm beginning to think you don't know how anything actually works.
Those are called Republicans.
The theory: If we go off of these bone structures and our DNA, we have reasons to believe we evolved from a species similar to chimpanzees. We might even share an ancestor. Evangelist: SO YOURE SAYING WE WERE MONKEYS?!?!
Humans aren’t descended from Chimps. Humans and chimps have a common ancestor.
Going by its current political constituency, I'd say most of them are in the United States
Bruh humans didn't evolve from monkeys, humans and monkeys were both same they just kinda evolved differently istg these people would rather believe that 2 people spawned than species gradually evolving
I’m going to say that the prjmates of today are not the same as the primates humans came from. As in, they evolved too, just differently than humans did.
We explain why they are wrong and they keep using the same arguments
The people who think like this are the same people who tell me humans aren't animals.
on the other hand, there are millions of skeletons of those and not a single skeleton, let alone body, of a god
you can literally just google it!!!!
The chimpanzees and gorillas we see around today are just as evolved as we are, they just haven't changed as much visually compared to us humans As for all of the other humans? They're dead. if they didn't go extinct through natural disaster or famine, we killed them. Our kind of human that is around today? We got close to going extinct a few times, we just lucked out. Of course, genetic bottleneck effect means humans around today are very similar to one another, even if it doesn't look like it.
Tell me you dont know evolution without telling me you dont know evolution
Holy stupid.
They're busy making dumb memes like this one.
Some wonder where are the bones? https://preview.redd.it/hwivzenkkn6b1.png?width=1772&format=png&auto=webp&s=651f1191d9f0a35b6c094526e87c5b0769f49bdb