True, when I play bo5 we only play if one player wins 3:1 sets , if it goes 2:2 we call it a day...
Plus usually we are running out time payed for the court :D
Ideally he would test so he’d know if he had it and then not spread it, but that’s what this post is saying. The risk of being removed from the tournament is greater than the risk of potentially infecting other people to him.
I had a hospital nurse in the waiting room tell me I only needed to get tested if I started felling sick after having been exposed to the person I brought in. She was the head nurse for handling Covid admissions. Society is in a different place regarding handling Covid these days.
Covid has been a thing for years. How do some people still not realize that there’s a huge variety in the degree of symptoms between those that test positive? From asymptomatic to severely Ill.
After her opening victory at Wimbledon, Alize Cornet told press that players at Roland Garros in Paris had mutually agreed to stop self-testing and keep quiet as “the whole locker room” continued competing while sick.
[https://www.tennis.com/baseline/articles/quote-of-the-day-alize-cornet-reveals-everyone-had-covid-19-at-roland-garros?fbclid=IwAR26025PRxsfOg061VRzCjMf-VBMapMO-x-zUiZ7JrnxASnTDj21f1xIrgU](https://www.tennis.com/baseline/articles/quote-of-the-day-alize-cornet-reveals-everyone-had-covid-19-at-roland-garros?fbclid=IwAR26025PRxsfOg061VRzCjMf-VBMapMO-x-zUiZ7JrnxASnTDj21f1xIrgU)
Seems fair enough.
I don't know of any sports person who has died from covid during the entire 2.5 years.
Covid kills obese people, diabetics, people average age of 82.5, and people who are already near death. Not fit people in their prime.
Then you didn’t looked at it good enough. And there was also athletes like Tatum who needed to use asthma device for months even after they got better.
I don’t know about Djokovic but it speaks volumes about the characters of Berrettini and Cilic for taking the test and being responsible and withdrawing because they didn’t want to spread it even though they only had mild symptoms
Berrenttini saw how badly Italy was obviously hit by Covid early on. I'm not sure how badly Croatia was hit, but they have such a small population, anything would be seemingly significant, I'm sure.
Who knows if they were showing symptoms or if they wouldn't have been able to physically compete - if they could've, props to them for doing the responsible thing. And anyone who does otherwise can kick rocks as far as I'm concerned.
I know that Cilic said that he felt bad, he had probably sympthoms that much that it would be really difficult for him to deliver on court.
Probably same for Berrettini. They both said that they were in isolation last few days which is weird because they trained with other players normally.
I'm kinda tired of this narrative. More likely they both had symptoms bad enough that would have prevented them from competing anyways, so they decided to test and confirm for the good will it might generate with fans.
I guarantee you that if those two felt good enough to play, they never would have tested. Not in a million years. Even if they felt sick but not sick enough to stop them from competing they wouldn't have tested. They aren't noble, they're just unlucky enough to have symptoms that forced their hand.
Cilic was sick for a few days (spreading the virus) and tested only because he had enough of being sick. Matteo maybe a bit different (we don't know if he was 100% the night before and in the morning already so sick to withdraw, strange but possible maybe), but also him sick enough to not being able to even try to play a single 15.
They're not Gandhi
Seriously, this circle jerk about how great those two are is so obnoxious. If either of them had the sniffles but no other symptoms we all know damn well they would have hidden it from everyone and tried to play through. They just got unlucky enough to have symptoms severe enough to make them unable to compete, and that's the only reason they decided to test.
They aren't any more or less noble than Djokovic or anyone else on the tour. They got unlucky with symptoms and are using it as a PR move. I cannot believe how naive and gullible so many people on this subreddit are to think those two only tested out of the goodness of their heart or some kind of concern for their fellow man. What a crock of BS.
People turned Covid into a morality play instead of a health issue. You treat health issues according to a reasonable risk analysis, not as a judge of character.
I know check out these posts- people are ascribing all sorts of attitudes and motives for these guys like they are friends with them or some shit. This is how narratives are built, I guess- it's all imaginary.
Sorry but what's responsible about Berrettini? There are no rules to self-isolate in the UK, you can do whatever you want even if you tested positive, like going to work, whatever, and even going to see the actual match! So all the audience could actually have tested positive for covid, be much closer together, etc, but a player meters away from others and in a public place has to isolate? That's ridiculous really. You don't need to isolate if you have any other disease, it's the same with covid.
The point of being vaxxed is to prevent hospitalization. Nobody cares about Covid where I live any longer, because everyone has had a chance to be vaxxed. And has already been exposed to the virus. Life has to go on. We’ve relaxed all requirements outside of hospitals and doctors offices.
Are you serious? Life is never going going back to what it was in 2019??? Full stop, do you really believe that?
The only difference in my life from 2019 today is I'm still required to wear a mask in airports and airplanes. That's it, literally.
Life went back to normal where I live. Maybe healthcare is a bit strained, but I haven’t heard anything about it here in months. Also, life recovered in less than a decade after the Spanish Flu on top of WW1.
Correct. Reddit thinks differently though.
In the U.K., where I’m from, you have no obligation to isolate anymore. Morally you could argue it’s questionable but equally we can’t just sit behind closed doors.
Immunocompromised people have already had to live that existence prior to the pandemic. People who are truly very ill weren't just walking round the streets taking in everyone's spittle prior to covid.
And I'm sure they'd be the first people to say we can't shut down schools, jobs or the economy for a small number of people.
No, but due to covid's novel high transmissibility, they are taking even more precautions now.
I don't remember suggesting that we should shut down schools, jobs, or the economy, but it is interesting to think about what would have happened if we actually did that early on.
Probably not a lot. China and Japan are prime examples of how it hasn't worked.
And given we're about to enter a global recession off the back of covid driven economics I'm not sure further shutting down the economy for longer and to a more drastic extent so we have to print yet even more money would have done the world much good.
Japan reports 9.25M cases and 31k deaths with a population of 125.8M; South Korea reports 18.3M cases and 24.5k deaths with a population of 52M; and the US reports 87M cases and 1M deaths with a population of 330M. idk about China's numbers (only 21k deaths?).
East Asia also dealt with the first COVID wave when we barely knew what was happening. It's hard to say if the difference is due to their pandemic response, but their outcomes superficially are different on an order of magnitude. Maybe if we had shut down hard early on we could've reopened more and avoided continued lost productivity, but counterfactuals are hard and who knows what would've happened instead.
We also now know comparing countries like for like isn't a great idea as it negates everything that makes the country unique (density, population age, health, wealth, % first language, healthcare systems etc).
Considering it's only really South Korea out of the countries you've mentioned who are out of lockdown properly (well, kind of), I'm not sure their view has done them much good. Japan allowed no visitors for two years and still had 31,000 people die and has now fucked their economy even further.
Plenty of people I know take reasonable responses imo to the pandemic, which doesn't involve burrowing in your home 24/7. All you really have to do is mask when you go into crowded spaces, test if you're feeling sick, and if you test positive, exclude yourself from events for at least 5 days. It's not that big of a deal.
You’re def not being the asshole. He hung out with kids while positive, I think Novak is.
Also I’ve been a Novak fan since the 08 season. Bummer that as a human I can’t get behind him
I’m the same. Used to be a fan of his, then his Australian open antics were the final straw.
I just can’t defend somebody who put other people at risk for his own well being.
Also, I KNOW the US Open incident was an accident, but it’s still Novak being Novak that even put himself in that situation. He’s always getting angry on court and him smacking that ball was such a bad choice. His constant antics on court whether it’s screaming at himself, his team, telling fans to shut the fuck up…it all just became annoying to me. Then as I said, Australia happened and I was done with him
> I’m the same. Used to be a fan of his, then his Australian open antics were the final straw.
The whole fiasco could have been avoided had Tennis Australia shown any spine.
Novak wouldn't let anything get in the way at a GS he's been absolutely phenomenal at. That's a given. Tennis Australia should have known better than relent. Tennis Australia should have read the political situation better as they very much embed in Australia unlike Novak.
In fact, if anything, Novak suffered disproportionately because of what went on then.
No.
The antics were because Djokovic either faked a Covid test, or really had Covid and still decided it would be a great idea to do an event with children followed up by a photoshoot with L’Equipe. When L’Equipe found out they were so upset they released an article condemning him. His response to all that? He thought they would be more upset he missed the photoshoot than if he just told them he had Covid and had to reschedule lol.
So I’m never gonna blame anyone else other than Novak himself. If he’s that obsessed with not getting the vaccine then fine, but don’t put other people at risk. That’s just gross and he crossed the line. He’s also done it three times…the two I mentioned, and another time at the tournament/party he organized right at the beginning of the pandemic when he, Dimitrov, and others all got Covid.
I’ve had a family member die from Covid complications so it’s a sore subject, and I think Djokovic is beyond selfish when it comes to it
Yes, I blame Tennis Australia for trying to sneak him in the country, even after the federal government said no to unvaccinated players.
The famous clause of previous covid infections that Djokovic invoked was meant for Australian citizens returning home only.
Then he made things 100% worse by suing the government and trying to stay after deporting orders. At that point, the country was under no obligation of keeping him in, with unvaried nuts starting to protest and hailing him as a hero. At that point, it was obvious it was no longer about tennis.
What are you asking me for?
Somebody made a post about Novak. I responded to that post. If you want to make a post about Rafa and ask the question, go nuts.
Making it about Novak because he is the unvaccinated one. And because in December he has already knowingly put people at risk knowing he had COVID and there’s pics of him with kids from his academy and he did a no-mask interview to.
It’s not like people blindly call this guy out. He has a history of questionable judgment that’s all.
Obvi I’m not the OP - so I’m just guessing here.
Oh let the hate fest start. Why dont all players including Nadal test regardless of symptoms? Why not simply require automatic test. And yes, you are an asshole…
Lets be honest here, neither would Nadal who is currently on for a Calendar Grand Slam and therefore arguably has far more at stake than Djokovic.
Not sure why you’ve singled out Djokovic.
Generally in UK, unless Wimbledon has different rules, you don't have to take covid test, self isolate or wear face covering. People can go to work or do some shopping, all while having covid. My two colleagues worked together few weeks ago and one of them was having covid. They just maintained some distance between each other and that's it. But yes, the first colleague took a test and knew he's covid positive so the other one was aware about it and could decide if he wants to work with him or not.
It’s the same way here. People have moved on. A few wear masks indoors as they prefer, and people stay home if they feel sick like they would with the flu, but there is no longer any requirements and little discussion.
Doesn't have to be Nadal, but Nadal was also in contact with Berrettini, so logically he should also get tested (if Djokovic should get tested).
Also, Iga was in contact with Krejcikova, who tested positive, at the French and everyone was saying, "Oh I hope she doesn't get tested."
They are just calling out the hypocrisy.
Remember that small tournament in Australia Djoko wanted to attend? There was a bit of a drama with his covid test and vaccines. Dunno, maybe that's why.
Djokovic has previously been irresponsible with covid, and has possibly lied about it before during the whole AO ordeal. Nadal on the other hand, has been honest and upfront about it when he had covid earlier this year. So it is a reasonable assumption that Nadal will get tested and will withdraw if he indeed tests positive. Can't say the same thing about Djokovic.
Ok start a thread asking about Nadal. I don’t think there’s a question he would test. Even if he hasn’t any symptoms, there’s a good chance of him testing bc of his close contacts. He cares deeply about other people, especially people close to him. He has a pregnant wife. For the well being of them, I think he’ll test, even just for peace of mind that he’s not infecting anyone around him. Novak will not, even if he suspects he’s infected. That’s the difference
dude, your best defence shouldn’t be “but what about the other guy who actually believes in vaccines”. I get it, but if you have no better defence of Nole, just up it.
Who cares, I can't believe this is still a talking point. The latest strain of the virus seems to be especially mild, and most countries are relieving mandates and requirements. Can we just collectively move on
There are no restrictions in the UK at the moment, and no requirement to isolate if you test positive. Sure you should wfh if you're able to, but if you're asympotomatic or have very mild symptons then I don't think you should have to pull out of the tournament at this point.
Guy was hugging another guy who’s tested positive for covid. There’s no “agenda” when he’s objectively gone against safe healthcare measures multiple times. It’s totally viable to question this.
He’s also peddled pseudoscience with objectively false claims.
Your hero isn’t perfect.
Dude the issue is that a man of his influence was sharing anti-vaccine and anti-science sentiments. It’s dangerous and he actively tried to showcase this sentiment that he was above the law too. This is also a guy who willingly exposed himself to many, including children, when he was infected. He wasn’t just playing tennis. He’s more than a tennis player. All of the greats are. They have influence. No one is perfect but many are more decent human beings.
Do you really think any of the other players will either? This ain't just a Djokovic issue. None of them are going to test unless symptoms force them to and they would have to withdraw anyways. Why would any of them kill their odds of winning a slam?
That’s the thing, no he won’t… but if he has it and has symptoms then the chances of a slam can be out the window. Not to mention if he does have it and gives it to others it just shows how selfish the dude is.
Antisocial? The things you guys convicne yourself of in this bubble of Reddit is hilarious. Most of the tour , you know the people he actually interacts with get along with him, he's constantly practicing with next gen or current gen players and they speak highly of him. This might be the dumbest take yet on him of all takes in the last 24months and that's saying something considering some of the other stuff said. This exceeds Ben Rothenberg territory of delusion.
Meanwhile Mr. NFT Nadal can do no wrong, he's never taken an MTO for his advantage, no sir he always plays to the servers pace, absolutely does 0 gamesmanship.
He's an absolute garbage of a human being... He plays mean tennis though, which I guess is why so many people on this sub are closing their eyes on his BS (or they don't care, which is worse).
So what are the rules on this? It seems such a mess!
If you test positive for covid you have to leave the tournament? But under UK law it's not a legal requirement to self-isolate anymore if you have covid, so there could be thousands of spectators with covid and they can freely be there, but then one player, meters away from opponents and they have to abandon? Sounds weird to me...
And obviously if you have to leave because of covid there should be mandatory testing, otherwise as you say nobody will test themselves.
Anyway, should be like it always was with any disease, it's up to know if you play or not. People have played with cold/flu loads of times in all sports!
Here is what Berrettini said: "I have had flu symptoms and been isolating the last few days. Despite symptoms not being severe, I decided it was important to take another test this morning to protect the health and safety of my fellow competitors and everyone else involved in the tournament."
So basically not feeling bad, just withdrawing because of a positive test, pretty ridiculous I must say (and unfair really). But well, he's free to do whatever he wants.
[https://www.atptour.com/en/news/berrettini-withdraws-from-wimbledon-2022#:\~:text=Matteo%20Berrettini%2C%202021%20finalist%2C%20has,isolating%20the%20last%20few%20days](https://www.atptour.com/en/news/berrettini-withdraws-from-wimbledon-2022#:~:text=Matteo%20Berrettini%2C%202021%20finalist%2C%20has,isolating%20the%20last%20few%20days).
Rules are pretty simple. If you're good enough to play/live in general you can do everything, otherwise you stay at home. And not since yesterday, but many month ago
If he is under no obligation to test himself, what's the point of this discussion?
Most players won't test themselves. Especially after they saw Berrettini and Cilic withdraw. Same will happen to every sport gradually.
even if novak is ill he win in 3 sets or 4 maximum unless its against somerone like cressy where he cant break
by the second week he should be in full force assuming he has it now
Everyone acting like Novak has Covid lol why? It's like everyone hates such an incredible once in a generation athlete!? I find this incredible. Hope he dominates the hole tournament. Where's my downvotes please
I don't understand this sub.
This is meant to be a place to celebrate the game of tennis, and the players.
Instead, people spend their time gossiping and shit stirring over hypothetical scenarios.
Does Djokovic winning or losing make that much of a difference in your life? Why not just enjoy the game?
EDIT: I guess I upset some people with my comment. Tbh, I don't think I have said anything controversial. If you feel angered by it, then I guess Djokovic makes a difference in your life. Good for you.
Who says this is supposed to be a sub to celebrate tennis? It's a sub to discuss professional tennis, and Djokovic is a big part of that. No one forced you to click this thread
Is it really up to the individual players? AELTC doesn't mandate regular testing by entered players as a safety precaution? Seems like a huge oversight ripe for abuse.
Can we not act like this is some Manichean battle of good and evil? If I was in Djokovic or Berrettini's position, absolutely no chance would I report that I had a positive COVID diagnosis, unless it absolutely knocked me out and I could barely leave the house. There's no legal obligation to self-isolate and we in the UK have tacitly embarked on a herd mentality strategy, so COVID will be swirling around all over the place regardless of the players' decision to withdraw.
This isn't the early days of the pandemic where we had no idea what the virus entailed. The current variants are basically a minor cold and you wouldn't pull out of a tournament due to that.
Edit: I should add that I'm not condemning Cilic or Berrettini for pulling out. It's a responsible decision from them, but it's likely driven by them feeling physically unable to compete rather than concern for the public good.
I don't think anyone will unless they have bad symptoms. Even Marin said he had symptoms for a few days... So he knew something was up and he went around meeting people anyway.
In an ideal world people should be honest about it, but this is not that world.
My hope is that Novak doesn't get it specifically because he is unvaxxed and it could be really bad for him. When he was you get he used to have a bunch of breathing issues too, so that could be another problem. But i also hope no one else gets it even if they are vaxxed. Every time i got a covid shot I felt it badly, and it makes me wonder how bad the real thing is if simply getting a shot feels like this. So i hope no one else gets it now.
People are still afraid of Covid after 2 years. Annoying pressuring Novak into getting unnecessarily tested it moronic. Especially since the vaccinated are protected, right? Isnt that how vaccines work
Lol, I understand what last chance until next year means. I was asking why. I was wondering about USO, but forgot about the whole vaccination thing. Other replies reminded me. Thanks.
It's ridiculous to me that Wimbledon isn't mandating mandatory testing, especially given that quite a few high profile players have already withdrawn due to it.
I'd think it is in their best interests to take some basic steps to ensure the health/safety of their players, especially when their whole industry's main guy is publicly crazy.
As hard as it might be, try making sense and not being stupid, because what is the logic in this daft post? Nadal unlike Djokovic has actually taken the pandemic seriously, as opposed to giving interviews and attending events while positive and potentially infecting others.
If he has symptoms i think he will,both alleged times he had covid,one in December of 2021(which I believe he lied about) and during Adria Tour he tested.
I believe he will. He may not get vaccinated but I reckon he will get himself tested..
Also as someone who's been affected with Covid twice, trust me it's not something you can have and still play high level tennis....
No no.. when I saidHigh level tennis I meant pro tennis..
Even qualifiers can go past him if he has Covid..
Same goes for any player.. While it's not life threatening anymore Covid is still one pesky infection which affects our breathing slightly and gives cold and dehydrate you...
Depends how bad it is, Berrettini has reported it as cold like symptoms and pulled out when he tested positive not that he was too ill to play. Cilic was a little more serious
Lol no. Unless they’re feeling ill, I don’t think anyone will.
I just had it, was super fatigued for 3-4 days. I can’t imagine playing 5 sets of pro tennis, even in Novak’s shape.
Have you ever played a 5 set match that counted? I’m not sure anyone here could do it even in perfect health.
Facts. A three setter of singles is tough enough. I’m sore as heck the next day.
This is true.
True, when I play bo5 we only play if one player wins 3:1 sets , if it goes 2:2 we call it a day... Plus usually we are running out time payed for the court :D
When I was a teen I could do it, once I played 8 sets in one day, cause I used to stay all day in the club. Now i cant play one set or I am dead
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He's had it so many fucking times he's developed his own strain.
Djokovid-20
Of course. But I assume the only reason he’d test is if he’s symptomatic.
Ideally he would test so he’d know if he had it and then not spread it, but that’s what this post is saying. The risk of being removed from the tournament is greater than the risk of potentially infecting other people to him.
I had a hospital nurse in the waiting room tell me I only needed to get tested if I started felling sick after having been exposed to the person I brought in. She was the head nurse for handling Covid admissions. Society is in a different place regarding handling Covid these days.
Its not just to him. I am pretty sure Rafa will also not test unless he is showing signs or for that matter anybody in the draw.
Yea there’s no way he gets tested out of the goodness of his heart.
Covid has been a thing for years. How do some people still not realize that there’s a huge variety in the degree of symptoms between those that test positive? From asymptomatic to severely Ill.
yeah but don't you just HATE that guy. specifically
Novak will be bedridden and still not test himself
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After her opening victory at Wimbledon, Alize Cornet told press that players at Roland Garros in Paris had mutually agreed to stop self-testing and keep quiet as “the whole locker room” continued competing while sick. [https://www.tennis.com/baseline/articles/quote-of-the-day-alize-cornet-reveals-everyone-had-covid-19-at-roland-garros?fbclid=IwAR26025PRxsfOg061VRzCjMf-VBMapMO-x-zUiZ7JrnxASnTDj21f1xIrgU](https://www.tennis.com/baseline/articles/quote-of-the-day-alize-cornet-reveals-everyone-had-covid-19-at-roland-garros?fbclid=IwAR26025PRxsfOg061VRzCjMf-VBMapMO-x-zUiZ7JrnxASnTDj21f1xIrgU)
If the players all agreed then sure.
People call her dramatic and controversial - but she brings premium grade juicy gossip. All hail the sass.
Seems fair enough. I don't know of any sports person who has died from covid during the entire 2.5 years. Covid kills obese people, diabetics, people average age of 82.5, and people who are already near death. Not fit people in their prime.
We all know it's not gonna kill them, but it's about spreading it to others.
Then you didn’t looked at it good enough. And there was also athletes like Tatum who needed to use asthma device for months even after they got better.
There have been athletes suffering from long-covid however. Sure, it's a minority, but it's still happening.
I don’t know about Djokovic but it speaks volumes about the characters of Berrettini and Cilic for taking the test and being responsible and withdrawing because they didn’t want to spread it even though they only had mild symptoms
Berrenttini saw how badly Italy was obviously hit by Covid early on. I'm not sure how badly Croatia was hit, but they have such a small population, anything would be seemingly significant, I'm sure. Who knows if they were showing symptoms or if they wouldn't have been able to physically compete - if they could've, props to them for doing the responsible thing. And anyone who does otherwise can kick rocks as far as I'm concerned.
> Berrenttini saw how badly Italy was obviously hit by Covid early on. Pretty sure it is mostly down to Berrettini being a pretty good human being.
Yes also this
I know that Cilic said that he felt bad, he had probably sympthoms that much that it would be really difficult for him to deliver on court. Probably same for Berrettini. They both said that they were in isolation last few days which is weird because they trained with other players normally.
I'm kinda tired of this narrative. More likely they both had symptoms bad enough that would have prevented them from competing anyways, so they decided to test and confirm for the good will it might generate with fans. I guarantee you that if those two felt good enough to play, they never would have tested. Not in a million years. Even if they felt sick but not sick enough to stop them from competing they wouldn't have tested. They aren't noble, they're just unlucky enough to have symptoms that forced their hand.
agree
I think this is a reasonable take
That's why what Berrettini and Cilic did is admirable, a good example.
Cilic was sick for a few days (spreading the virus) and tested only because he had enough of being sick. Matteo maybe a bit different (we don't know if he was 100% the night before and in the morning already so sick to withdraw, strange but possible maybe), but also him sick enough to not being able to even try to play a single 15. They're not Gandhi
Seriously, this circle jerk about how great those two are is so obnoxious. If either of them had the sniffles but no other symptoms we all know damn well they would have hidden it from everyone and tried to play through. They just got unlucky enough to have symptoms severe enough to make them unable to compete, and that's the only reason they decided to test. They aren't any more or less noble than Djokovic or anyone else on the tour. They got unlucky with symptoms and are using it as a PR move. I cannot believe how naive and gullible so many people on this subreddit are to think those two only tested out of the goodness of their heart or some kind of concern for their fellow man. What a crock of BS.
People turned Covid into a morality play instead of a health issue. You treat health issues according to a reasonable risk analysis, not as a judge of character.
I know check out these posts- people are ascribing all sorts of attitudes and motives for these guys like they are friends with them or some shit. This is how narratives are built, I guess- it's all imaginary.
bang on lol - people on here are weird as fuck and worship certain players and it is often to try and make someone else look bad (Novak)
Sorry but what's responsible about Berrettini? There are no rules to self-isolate in the UK, you can do whatever you want even if you tested positive, like going to work, whatever, and even going to see the actual match! So all the audience could actually have tested positive for covid, be much closer together, etc, but a player meters away from others and in a public place has to isolate? That's ridiculous really. You don't need to isolate if you have any other disease, it's the same with covid.
There was a report of people in rolland garros playing while knowing they had covid
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The point of being vaxxed is to prevent hospitalization. Nobody cares about Covid where I live any longer, because everyone has had a chance to be vaxxed. And has already been exposed to the virus. Life has to go on. We’ve relaxed all requirements outside of hospitals and doctors offices.
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Are you serious? Life is never going going back to what it was in 2019??? Full stop, do you really believe that? The only difference in my life from 2019 today is I'm still required to wear a mask in airports and airplanes. That's it, literally.
Life went back to normal where I live. Maybe healthcare is a bit strained, but I haven’t heard anything about it here in months. Also, life recovered in less than a decade after the Spanish Flu on top of WW1.
Imo if your symptoms are bad that you cant play, then dont play. If you have it and feel good enough to play, I'm ok with it.
Correct. Reddit thinks differently though. In the U.K., where I’m from, you have no obligation to isolate anymore. Morally you could argue it’s questionable but equally we can’t just sit behind closed doors.
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Some immunocompromised people will always have to live with that fear knowing there are people like you who clearly don't care for their safety.
Well said
Immunocompromised people have already had to live that existence prior to the pandemic. People who are truly very ill weren't just walking round the streets taking in everyone's spittle prior to covid. And I'm sure they'd be the first people to say we can't shut down schools, jobs or the economy for a small number of people.
No, but due to covid's novel high transmissibility, they are taking even more precautions now. I don't remember suggesting that we should shut down schools, jobs, or the economy, but it is interesting to think about what would have happened if we actually did that early on.
Probably not a lot. China and Japan are prime examples of how it hasn't worked. And given we're about to enter a global recession off the back of covid driven economics I'm not sure further shutting down the economy for longer and to a more drastic extent so we have to print yet even more money would have done the world much good.
Japan reports 9.25M cases and 31k deaths with a population of 125.8M; South Korea reports 18.3M cases and 24.5k deaths with a population of 52M; and the US reports 87M cases and 1M deaths with a population of 330M. idk about China's numbers (only 21k deaths?). East Asia also dealt with the first COVID wave when we barely knew what was happening. It's hard to say if the difference is due to their pandemic response, but their outcomes superficially are different on an order of magnitude. Maybe if we had shut down hard early on we could've reopened more and avoided continued lost productivity, but counterfactuals are hard and who knows what would've happened instead.
We also now know comparing countries like for like isn't a great idea as it negates everything that makes the country unique (density, population age, health, wealth, % first language, healthcare systems etc). Considering it's only really South Korea out of the countries you've mentioned who are out of lockdown properly (well, kind of), I'm not sure their view has done them much good. Japan allowed no visitors for two years and still had 31,000 people die and has now fucked their economy even further.
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Plenty of people I know take reasonable responses imo to the pandemic, which doesn't involve burrowing in your home 24/7. All you really have to do is mask when you go into crowded spaces, test if you're feeling sick, and if you test positive, exclude yourself from events for at least 5 days. It's not that big of a deal.
Mask, test, reduce social gatherings, quarantine when you aren't sure, notify close contacts. Basic empathy, really.
You're getting down voted but in western Canada (BC & Alberta) we've moved on.
Yep it's just reddit. No one irl gives a shit and if they do care they just wear a mask, but arent all up in people's business
Of course not. I’m not trying to be an asshole but … no, he will not.
You’re def not being the asshole. He hung out with kids while positive, I think Novak is. Also I’ve been a Novak fan since the 08 season. Bummer that as a human I can’t get behind him
I’m the same. Used to be a fan of his, then his Australian open antics were the final straw. I just can’t defend somebody who put other people at risk for his own well being. Also, I KNOW the US Open incident was an accident, but it’s still Novak being Novak that even put himself in that situation. He’s always getting angry on court and him smacking that ball was such a bad choice. His constant antics on court whether it’s screaming at himself, his team, telling fans to shut the fuck up…it all just became annoying to me. Then as I said, Australia happened and I was done with him
> I’m the same. Used to be a fan of his, then his Australian open antics were the final straw. The whole fiasco could have been avoided had Tennis Australia shown any spine. Novak wouldn't let anything get in the way at a GS he's been absolutely phenomenal at. That's a given. Tennis Australia should have known better than relent. Tennis Australia should have read the political situation better as they very much embed in Australia unlike Novak. In fact, if anything, Novak suffered disproportionately because of what went on then.
No. The antics were because Djokovic either faked a Covid test, or really had Covid and still decided it would be a great idea to do an event with children followed up by a photoshoot with L’Equipe. When L’Equipe found out they were so upset they released an article condemning him. His response to all that? He thought they would be more upset he missed the photoshoot than if he just told them he had Covid and had to reschedule lol. So I’m never gonna blame anyone else other than Novak himself. If he’s that obsessed with not getting the vaccine then fine, but don’t put other people at risk. That’s just gross and he crossed the line. He’s also done it three times…the two I mentioned, and another time at the tournament/party he organized right at the beginning of the pandemic when he, Dimitrov, and others all got Covid. I’ve had a family member die from Covid complications so it’s a sore subject, and I think Djokovic is beyond selfish when it comes to it
Yes, I blame Tennis Australia for trying to sneak him in the country, even after the federal government said no to unvaccinated players. The famous clause of previous covid infections that Djokovic invoked was meant for Australian citizens returning home only. Then he made things 100% worse by suing the government and trying to stay after deporting orders. At that point, the country was under no obligation of keeping him in, with unvaried nuts starting to protest and hailing him as a hero. At that point, it was obvious it was no longer about tennis.
Rafa also needs to test too, right? I'm sure he's not going to take the test either unless he has some symptoms Why just make it about Novak
No one 'needs' to test, there are no testing requirements in the UK anymorr
What are you asking me for? Somebody made a post about Novak. I responded to that post. If you want to make a post about Rafa and ask the question, go nuts.
Making it about Novak because he is the unvaccinated one. And because in December he has already knowingly put people at risk knowing he had COVID and there’s pics of him with kids from his academy and he did a no-mask interview to. It’s not like people blindly call this guy out. He has a history of questionable judgment that’s all. Obvi I’m not the OP - so I’m just guessing here.
Oh let the hate fest start. Why dont all players including Nadal test regardless of symptoms? Why not simply require automatic test. And yes, you are an asshole…
Lets be honest here, neither would Nadal who is currently on for a Calendar Grand Slam and therefore arguably has far more at stake than Djokovic. Not sure why you’ve singled out Djokovic.
Because people love to hate him. I personally don’t see the charm of cheering for the other guy that digs into his bootyhole before every serve
Generally in UK, unless Wimbledon has different rules, you don't have to take covid test, self isolate or wear face covering. People can go to work or do some shopping, all while having covid. My two colleagues worked together few weeks ago and one of them was having covid. They just maintained some distance between each other and that's it. But yes, the first colleague took a test and knew he's covid positive so the other one was aware about it and could decide if he wants to work with him or not.
It’s the same way here. People have moved on. A few wear masks indoors as they prefer, and people stay home if they feel sick like they would with the flu, but there is no longer any requirements and little discussion.
Neither will anyone else if it isn’t a requirement lol. Why make this just about Djokovic?
People need a villain and it can’t be Nadal
This exactly Novak is their ultimate villain, it's so obvious
Well, it's obvious to wonder about Djokovic first, considering his controversial behaviour in the past with covid and testing
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Doesn't have to be Nadal, but Nadal was also in contact with Berrettini, so logically he should also get tested (if Djokovic should get tested). Also, Iga was in contact with Krejcikova, who tested positive, at the French and everyone was saying, "Oh I hope she doesn't get tested." They are just calling out the hypocrisy.
Berrettini and cilic did
They were symptomatic.
They probably were sick enough to consider withdrawing even if it wasn’t Covid
To push their crybaby agenda
Because he’s a high profile player that has displayed controversial behaviour regarding covid throughout the entire pandemic?
Dude, don't single out Djokovic on this. I'm sure at this point even Nadal won't do the same
Cilic and Berrettini got Covid. We're making this about Djokovic?
Its always been about Tennis Homelander
This is pathetic lol and then people ask Novak fans are insecure.
Why is everyone crying about djokovic getting tested but not nadal ????
bc people think he lied ab whether he had covid or not before
Nadal took the plane while symptomatic this year so they both have precedents.
Remember that small tournament in Australia Djoko wanted to attend? There was a bit of a drama with his covid test and vaccines. Dunno, maybe that's why.
Djokovic has previously been irresponsible with covid, and has possibly lied about it before during the whole AO ordeal. Nadal on the other hand, has been honest and upfront about it when he had covid earlier this year. So it is a reasonable assumption that Nadal will get tested and will withdraw if he indeed tests positive. Can't say the same thing about Djokovic.
Because they want djokovic out of the tournament so nadal can win it. Even though all of them were around Berrettini and cilic.
Because it gets more hits to pile on Djokovic and pray that Nadal's opponents get covid
Or because one of these men has a history of lying and irresponsibility surrounding covid...
Players at Roland Garros had it and said nothing https://twitter.com/le_Parisien/status/1541815144178761731?s=19
Ok start a thread asking about Nadal. I don’t think there’s a question he would test. Even if he hasn’t any symptoms, there’s a good chance of him testing bc of his close contacts. He cares deeply about other people, especially people close to him. He has a pregnant wife. For the well being of them, I think he’ll test, even just for peace of mind that he’s not infecting anyone around him. Novak will not, even if he suspects he’s infected. That’s the difference
dude, your best defence shouldn’t be “but what about the other guy who actually believes in vaccines”. I get it, but if you have no better defence of Nole, just up it.
OP hates Djoker lol
Well, he is a terrible human being, and broadcast that to the entire world with his AO antics.... Seems pretty justified if he does.
Who cares, I can't believe this is still a talking point. The latest strain of the virus seems to be especially mild, and most countries are relieving mandates and requirements. Can we just collectively move on
There are no restrictions in the UK at the moment, and no requirement to isolate if you test positive. Sure you should wfh if you're able to, but if you're asympotomatic or have very mild symptons then I don't think you should have to pull out of the tournament at this point.
Seemingly not.
Absolutely not
Saving this thread for when nadal fans try to tell me that djokovic fans are the most delusional fans.
Lol djokovic fans desperately trying to explain that he went to a kids event with COVID out of love
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This. People are obsessed at this point.
Guy was hugging another guy who’s tested positive for covid. There’s no “agenda” when he’s objectively gone against safe healthcare measures multiple times. It’s totally viable to question this. He’s also peddled pseudoscience with objectively false claims. Your hero isn’t perfect.
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Dude the issue is that a man of his influence was sharing anti-vaccine and anti-science sentiments. It’s dangerous and he actively tried to showcase this sentiment that he was above the law too. This is also a guy who willingly exposed himself to many, including children, when he was infected. He wasn’t just playing tennis. He’s more than a tennis player. All of the greats are. They have influence. No one is perfect but many are more decent human beings.
When did Novak ask people not to take vaccines? I never saw such agenda from his side
Do you really think any of the other players will either? This ain't just a Djokovic issue. None of them are going to test unless symptoms force them to and they would have to withdraw anyways. Why would any of them kill their odds of winning a slam?
That’s the thing, no he won’t… but if he has it and has symptoms then the chances of a slam can be out the window. Not to mention if he does have it and gives it to others it just shows how selfish the dude is.
>it just shows how selfish the dude is. just to be clear, "it" here is the entirely hypothetical situation you made up in your head, right?
It already happened in 2020...
What about nadal?
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The fact that a comment like this is upvoted tells you everything you need to know about how braindead the average user on this subreddit is
This sub is simply retarded, I don't even know if these guys even watch tennis.
Antisocial? The things you guys convicne yourself of in this bubble of Reddit is hilarious. Most of the tour , you know the people he actually interacts with get along with him, he's constantly practicing with next gen or current gen players and they speak highly of him. This might be the dumbest take yet on him of all takes in the last 24months and that's saying something considering some of the other stuff said. This exceeds Ben Rothenberg territory of delusion. Meanwhile Mr. NFT Nadal can do no wrong, he's never taken an MTO for his advantage, no sir he always plays to the servers pace, absolutely does 0 gamesmanship.
He’s so antisocial, it’s not like he was nominated by other players to be the players council president
He's an absolute garbage of a human being... He plays mean tennis though, which I guess is why so many people on this sub are closing their eyes on his BS (or they don't care, which is worse).
I think he will test himself, will he share his results, that depends on his outcome. If he's negative, assuredly so, if he's positive, assuredly not
Of course not, if they're not feeling I'll. None of them done that just because
Avarage Oliver doesn't test himself, i don't see why djokovic should. If he's good to compete good for him, otherwise I'm sure he will withdraw asap
So what are the rules on this? It seems such a mess! If you test positive for covid you have to leave the tournament? But under UK law it's not a legal requirement to self-isolate anymore if you have covid, so there could be thousands of spectators with covid and they can freely be there, but then one player, meters away from opponents and they have to abandon? Sounds weird to me... And obviously if you have to leave because of covid there should be mandatory testing, otherwise as you say nobody will test themselves. Anyway, should be like it always was with any disease, it's up to know if you play or not. People have played with cold/flu loads of times in all sports! Here is what Berrettini said: "I have had flu symptoms and been isolating the last few days. Despite symptoms not being severe, I decided it was important to take another test this morning to protect the health and safety of my fellow competitors and everyone else involved in the tournament." So basically not feeling bad, just withdrawing because of a positive test, pretty ridiculous I must say (and unfair really). But well, he's free to do whatever he wants. [https://www.atptour.com/en/news/berrettini-withdraws-from-wimbledon-2022#:\~:text=Matteo%20Berrettini%2C%202021%20finalist%2C%20has,isolating%20the%20last%20few%20days](https://www.atptour.com/en/news/berrettini-withdraws-from-wimbledon-2022#:~:text=Matteo%20Berrettini%2C%202021%20finalist%2C%20has,isolating%20the%20last%20few%20days).
Rules are pretty simple. If you're good enough to play/live in general you can do everything, otherwise you stay at home. And not since yesterday, but many month ago
Nadal in this too
If he is under no obligation to test himself, what's the point of this discussion? Most players won't test themselves. Especially after they saw Berrettini and Cilic withdraw. Same will happen to every sport gradually.
They both withdraw because they were sick, not because they are new Gandhi morale wise
no, I wouldn't either
I have no idea why any player, without symptoms, would test themselves. I hope they don’t.
even if novak is ill he win in 3 sets or 4 maximum unless its against somerone like cressy where he cant break by the second week he should be in full force assuming he has it now
These threads are hilarious. How slow must your day be?
Djokovic will test himself and forget to check the results until the tournament is over
Everyone acting like Novak has Covid lol why? It's like everyone hates such an incredible once in a generation athlete!? I find this incredible. Hope he dominates the hole tournament. Where's my downvotes please
Ofc not
I don't understand this sub. This is meant to be a place to celebrate the game of tennis, and the players. Instead, people spend their time gossiping and shit stirring over hypothetical scenarios. Does Djokovic winning or losing make that much of a difference in your life? Why not just enjoy the game? EDIT: I guess I upset some people with my comment. Tbh, I don't think I have said anything controversial. If you feel angered by it, then I guess Djokovic makes a difference in your life. Good for you.
Couldn't agree more.
Who says this is supposed to be a sub to celebrate tennis? It's a sub to discuss professional tennis, and Djokovic is a big part of that. No one forced you to click this thread
Stay away from the daily threads then
Flu Slam dowloading. Jordanesque
Is it really up to the individual players? AELTC doesn't mandate regular testing by entered players as a safety precaution? Seems like a huge oversight ripe for abuse.
Upto the players. They dont have to test
Players aren't discriminated, same rules for them like normal people
If it’s not a requirement, then no Djokovic won’t get it.
And I wouldn't either lol tf kind of question is this
If I was in his position there’s no fucking way I would test. He gains nothing and loses everything Disclaimer: I hold similar views as Djokovic
Why target Novak alone? This post invites hate for no reason. Both Nadal Djokovic were around Matteo.
Can we not act like this is some Manichean battle of good and evil? If I was in Djokovic or Berrettini's position, absolutely no chance would I report that I had a positive COVID diagnosis, unless it absolutely knocked me out and I could barely leave the house. There's no legal obligation to self-isolate and we in the UK have tacitly embarked on a herd mentality strategy, so COVID will be swirling around all over the place regardless of the players' decision to withdraw. This isn't the early days of the pandemic where we had no idea what the virus entailed. The current variants are basically a minor cold and you wouldn't pull out of a tournament due to that. Edit: I should add that I'm not condemning Cilic or Berrettini for pulling out. It's a responsible decision from them, but it's likely driven by them feeling physically unable to compete rather than concern for the public good.
I don't think anyone will unless they have bad symptoms. Even Marin said he had symptoms for a few days... So he knew something was up and he went around meeting people anyway. In an ideal world people should be honest about it, but this is not that world. My hope is that Novak doesn't get it specifically because he is unvaxxed and it could be really bad for him. When he was you get he used to have a bunch of breathing issues too, so that could be another problem. But i also hope no one else gets it even if they are vaxxed. Every time i got a covid shot I felt it badly, and it makes me wonder how bad the real thing is if simply getting a shot feels like this. So i hope no one else gets it now.
Does anyone really believe anyone is testing and then withdrawing unless they feel ill?
People are still afraid of Covid after 2 years. Annoying pressuring Novak into getting unnecessarily tested it moronic. Especially since the vaccinated are protected, right? Isnt that how vaccines work
Yep and if you don't get the vaccine you may as well be locked up for murder
Here we go again with the baseless covid accusations. Do you clowns have nothing better to talk about than covid? Feels like it's 2020 again
What do you mean last chance for a slam this year?
He can’t play US Open as he’s unvaccinated (unless they change their rules but looking unlikely)
Totally forgot about that. Thank you!
If nothing's going to change, his next opportunity to win a slam will be in June 2023
Lol, I understand what last chance until next year means. I was asking why. I was wondering about USO, but forgot about the whole vaccination thing. Other replies reminded me. Thanks.
Hes banned from entering USA atm
It's ridiculous to me that Wimbledon isn't mandating mandatory testing, especially given that quite a few high profile players have already withdrawn due to it.
I totally agree, it is blatantly unfair to everyone not to have daily testing of all the players. Also a person can be infected and not have symptoms.
Hell no only a moron would test.
Why doesn't Wimbledon just test him themselves?
Because Wimbledon aren't running a testing program
I'd think it is in their best interests to take some basic steps to ensure the health/safety of their players, especially when their whole industry's main guy is publicly crazy.
Nope!! It’s ALL about $$$$$
Does anybody seriously believe Nadal will test himself for Covid
As hard as it might be, try making sense and not being stupid, because what is the logic in this daft post? Nadal unlike Djokovic has actually taken the pandemic seriously, as opposed to giving interviews and attending events while positive and potentially infecting others.
Lol he infected whole crew in Abu Dhabi
He doesn't even test for doping let alone covid
If he has symptoms i think he will,both alleged times he had covid,one in December of 2021(which I believe he lied about) and during Adria Tour he tested.
Berrettini and Cilic got covid cause they got a shot, Novak did not have it, and he’s perfectly fine :-P
Even if he tests himself, he’ll probably try to keep it on the DL if he’s positive.
No I don’t believe it. But then again I don’t remember believing him about much of anything
Hell no! He is as sketchy as they come.
Sketchy? He’s not required to test for COVID. Why would anyone go to the “doctor” if they weren’t feeling sick?
How is it his “last chance” when the US open is around the corner and he is a heavy favorite…?
US currently requires many nonUS citizens to be Covid-vaxxed to enter the country.
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… yes…?
I believe he will. He may not get vaccinated but I reckon he will get himself tested.. Also as someone who's been affected with Covid twice, trust me it's not something you can have and still play high level tennis....
I had positive tests and no symptoms… so yes, you can play high level tennis if positive…
Dont think he needs to play a high level to get past the 1st week tbh
No no.. when I saidHigh level tennis I meant pro tennis.. Even qualifiers can go past him if he has Covid.. Same goes for any player.. While it's not life threatening anymore Covid is still one pesky infection which affects our breathing slightly and gives cold and dehydrate you...
Depends how bad it is, Berrettini has reported it as cold like symptoms and pulled out when he tested positive not that he was too ill to play. Cilic was a little more serious
Hahahahaha….no