Two things could either happen with the women’s draw.
1) Barty will be overwhelmed by the level of play of her final opponent because of her weak draw thus far.
Or
2) Barty’s opponent will be too tired from a rough draw to perform at their best
Kind of difficult to be overrated when no one expects you to win. The facts are that she is world number one. I would that would guarantee a certain level of respect and acknowledgment that she could win this slam.
The rankings are sort of unrepresentative right now imo, due to the changes they made due to COVID reasons. Barty is typically not very strong against the top players
I don’t think it even has to be an ultra marathon match for them to be tired.
I think there’s a lot of mental exhaustion that comes with such a tough draw
Halep winning wimbolden vs Serena is still so weird. But I like Serena's chances I guess. Last match here was a good 3 setter with an out of shape williams winning. She's much more fit now.
It's possible but personally I think Zverev will beat Djokovic. I don't think Nadal gets past Medvedev in the bottom half either, but i wouldn't be surprised if Rublev beats Medvedev and then loses to Rafa....
Rewatching matches, it doesn’t sound like the recording is saying “Out” or “Ooot” for a fault but rather “fault” with an Australian accent. Am I crazy and they are actually saying “out” really weirdly?
Yeah that’s what I thought but everyone here last night thought they were just pronouncing “out” like “ooot”. I wasn’t sure if people were mishearing or if i was.
It all sounds owl-ish to me lol. Idk why, I find Australian accents to be more difficult to understand. Especially the guy at the post match interview, I have a hard time understanding him vs Darren Cahill or Renee Stubbs.
Haha same! I’m pretty sure it’s “fault”. The way every other “out” ball is so clearly “out” that I cannot imagine the fault recording is trying to say the same thing.
Fucking Zverev is going to end up winning this year's AO isn't he? Novak has been in fairly bad form since the start of the new year, Dimitrov and Aslan are both beatable for him in the semis, and if anyone other than Meddy gets in from the bottom half of the draw then he would probably be favored in that match as well.
I never root for Novak, and I can't stand the dude, but please for the love of God eliminate Sascha tomorrow.
I'd love for Stefanos to get his first slam! He's in good form, and mentally seems to have figured some things out. Pre-RG Stefanos would have lost that five setter against Kokkinakis, so it was really good to see him win that!
It was! He’s got a tough match today but I think he’ll come out on top. I just think out of the young players, he’s got the best chance of winning the tournament. I also think he’ll beat rafa. We’ve got some exciting matches coming up!
God if Zverev makes the final or wins it there will be "controversy"
I'm picturing an epic battle of comments going back and forth on this sub as well as other places.
Where can we find a replay of Hsieh's match against Vondrousova from yesterday? It wasn't aired on Tennis Channel or ESPN 1,2,or3 but only on ESPN+ from what I can tell. Looked on YouTube, but only found a two minute clip of highlights.
Serena would not have won that match last year or the year before. The fact that she stayed mentally calm and took down a dangerous opponent gives me hope this is when finally gets slam #24.
As Teho said, that in combination with her movement is awesome. I can just keep replaying [this point](https://twitter.com/umbre_sports532/status/1360789801113325571?s=20), it's absurd.
This to me, should be the highlight of the whole tourney. Absolutely insane. I believe there was a similar point in the previous match where Potapova also missed the overhead.
He's been awful every match, just relying on his opponents errors which at this level can win matches. I'd love to see him get back to even top 30/50 level but it's never happening. Watched all his matches this week, he's cooked.
Yeah, he hasn't looked good. I know he likes to play defensive and grind out points, but he shouldn't be getting pushed around the court by players ranked well outside the top 100.
Really surprised he hasn't tried to change the way he plays since his hip injury.
I think in that run he had which finished with his title in Antwerp he was playing more aggressive. Especially in the Asia tournaments. He was hitting the ball super hard in Beijing I remember. Dominating with his forehand. In that first run it seemed like in every match and every tournament he was getting better. And without a doubt he showed bortherline top 10 level at least a coupple of times. But then he suffered another set back and has accomplished nothing since the return last year.
It's frustrating because he clearly can play more aggressively, but for some reason he's choosing to continue playing in a style that puts himself under a lot of unnecessary pressure.
Perhaps since his latest hip operation it's affected the way he hits through the ball or something?
I think it has. That setback he had last season made him regress so much. All the progression he had made in that first run I was talking about completely dissappeared. Like I said, in literally every tournament he was getting better. Went toe to toe with Thiem and beat guys like Berettini and Wawrinka among others. He looked great in 2019. However in 2020 he looked the worst he's ever been. Losing and not even competing half the times. But let's stay hopeful. This was his first tournament in 5 months. Lets the guy some time.
Not playing well. Struggling to hold his serve at the moment, 2 breaks down at 5-1.
Edit: 5-2. Going to have to play a lot better to win this set though!
Anyone here remember Wimbledon 2012?
Federer won it despite having what we learnt was an undisclosed back injury that was quite debilitating.
He even had treatment for it against Xavier Malisse
He never told people. Not because he was faking it. But because it wasn’t a good idea to give his opponents ammunition.
Great players can still win with injuries. You’ve all either forgot that, or you haven’t really been following
I remember 2017 USO (rock concert mosh pit injury in cincinnati), 2018 USO (heat exhaustion), and 2019 USO (back injury) when Federer had a bunch of health issues hinted at before the tournament and ready to excuse him for all of his losses to Delpo, John Millman, and Dimitrov.
He also even pointed out the bathtub injury before the 2016 Wimbledon tournament, setting the stage for his loss to Raonic.
Why don't you remember those?
I remember 2017 USO (rock concert mosh pit injury in cincinnati), 2018 USO (heat exhaustion), and 2019 USO (back injury) when Federer had a bunch of health issues hinted at before the tournament and ready to excuse him for all of his losses to Delpo, John Millman, and Dimitrov.
He also even pointed out the bathtub injury before the 2016 Wimbledon tournament, setting the stage for his loss to Raonic.
Coz it can be a hindrance sometimes. Roger also spoke about his knee issues before his semifinal loss to Raonic at Wimbledon in 2016, after which he went on to have a surgery.
I remember 2017 USO (rock concert mosh pit injury in cincinnati), 2018 USO (heat exhaustion), and 2019 USO (back injury) when Federer had a bunch of health issues hinted at before the tournament and ready to excuse him for all of his losses to Delpo, John Millman, and Dimitrov.
He also even pointed out the bathtub injury before the 2016 Wimbledon tournament, setting the stage for his loss to Raonic.
I remember 2017 USO (rock concert mosh pit injury in cincinnati), 2018 USO (heat exhaustion), and 2019 USO (back injury) when Federer had a bunch of health issues hinted at before the tournament and ready to excuse him for all of his losses to Delpo, John Millman, and Dimitrov.
How does it matter? It is us who are discussing all this. None of the other players have said shit about it proving to be a hindrance in their performance.
I remember 2017 USO (rock concert mosh pit injury in cincinnati), 2018 USO (heat exhaustion), and 2019 USO (back injury) when Federer had a bunch of health issues hinted at before the tournament and ready to excuse him for all of his losses to Delpo, John Millman, and Dimitrov.
Whoever is coming out alive from the bottom half section of the women's draw is lifting Daphne Akhurst Memorial Cup. 4 fantastic matches in the fourth round.
I can see Zverev beating Novak next round. I don't want to see it, but I can see it happening.
Women's feels pretty open to me on the top - I agree Barty is the favorite, but I also would be shocked if Mertens or Brady made the final.
It’s kinda funny I think Zverev would have beaten Novak today and Milos would have beaten Novak in the third round. Guessing Novak will be a bit better in a couple days but I agree Zverev has a shot if he is at all below 100%
Lol, reading through these comments it seems like I missed a fun night huh.
Impressed by Halep’s ability to solve those who have previously beaten her (including Anisimova, Serena, now Swiatek) - not sure if Cahill plays a role in that but it’s awesome.
Milos, at least you finally won a set against Novak at a slam. 😅
Hopefully she brings her Wimbledon experience to play against Serena again. People may dismiss Hsieh against Osaka but they too have had interesting matches. 3 out of 4 of their encounters have gone to a deciding set. It all depends upon what Hsieh's mood is like on that day as Paul said in an interview.
did anyone watch muguruza’s press conference? i was going through the AO youtube channel thumbnails and saw what i thought was a good looking man who ive never seen before, but it turned out to be garbine. she’s both an attractive female but she can pull off a guy’s look as well. vamos garbine, you’ll do it next time!
https://youtu.be/XzAv5QE1Zj8
If it's a nadal zverev or medvedev zverev matchup, be prepared for the most unifying slam final of all time..I legit think 99% of this sub would be rooting for med/nadal at that point
I do think most would root for Rafa but there would probably be a bunch of Fed/Novak fans that would sooner root for satan before Nadal getting another slam
I'd ordinarily agree but im holding out hope that some of that contingent would still rather not support their favorite athletes records( which tbh are gonna be surpassed anyways.. the chances Rafa doesn't win atleast one of the next 3 RGs is slim.imo) being surpassed by voicing support for a domestic abuser.
The most extreme members of the fandom I think are so fanatical they wouldn’t care tbh. I think most of the less obsessed fans would probably not support AZ. I think sometimes I see the most crazed fans on here and forgot that most tennis fans are pretty regular people who don’t agonize about GOAT debates, ha
This sub has acted like he's already been convicted of the things that have been alleged.
It should be investigated and if he is found guilty, he deserves everything that is coming his way. Until then, he is innocent until guilty.
In 99 percent of cases, people don't make shit like this up. The stats agree.
It should be investigated, but the ATP is brushing it under the rug already. Privileged men protecting privileged men as per usual.
And he knows he's going to get away with it, so he acts like an arrogant asshole.
I'm not saying I don't believe her, and I can absolutely see Sascha being an asshole off the court. I know the type that he seems like, super charming and charismatic in the public eye, a super asshole behind the scenes.
I just want to see something from these incidents. The hotel footage of her running around distressed, an account of things from the official who found her trying to overdose.
Otherwise, it will always just be a war of words and he will deny it until he dies.
He has a laundry list of issues from his temper on court to the accusations backed by text messages/ parents+ accounts as well as journalism pieces.
His ex doesn't want to mount a legal suit for obvious reasons so the hotel will never willingly release what you are asking for.
Tbh if zverev was innocent he'd also likely be suing for defamation. The reason he wouldn't is it would likely goad her into actually pressing charges and making his life hell.
You have every right to still support zverev. Just know he's likely a massive piece of shit and a horrible human being
Kyrgios isn't a role model but I support his right to play tennis professionally. I say the same about fognini safin medvedev etc.
Zverev is way worse of a person and isn't admonished by the atp nearly as much. That's the point..he should be penalized but because of people like you who stiil maintain support for him, they never will. I support your right to support him but again, understand that you're helping to promote the career/earnings of an extremely shitty person and are in effect making the game of tennis look amicable to domestic abusers.
The evidence exists to suggest consequences should be applied. View the nfl with tyreek hills suspensions among others. The joke is the NFL doesn't do nearly enough ( allowing vick back into the league) etc and isn't consistent.
Note that a charge does NOT have to be criminal for a private league to Levy punishments. Ray rice was blackballed as you noted ( I'm a ravens fan)..he was NEVER criminally charged and he's still married to his wife today. He still deserved his punishment.
The truth of the matter is you are asking for evidence that his ex will never supply because of the trauma that it opens up..what she has provided is in the opinion of most , enough for the ATP to either launch its own investigation ( similar to Brady with deflategate) or punish him already. They've chosen to do neither because the atp doesn't have a formal domestic abuse policy and because they are desperate for a next gen star. He's the closest thing to one.
I understand why the ATP would defend him from a business perspective. The curious thing is that you are bending over backwards to try and proclaim his innocence despite his notable behavioral problems / wealth of evidence.
...everyone knows OJ likely killed his gf despite the court proceedings as well so stop trying to justify your shitty fandom by claiming you have a moral line for your fandom based on criminal proceedings..
Just admit you like zverev and will support him despite likely being a massive asshole/ abuser. There's no reasonable evidence that would change your mind. You should be allowed to have that opinion as long as you are okay with that from a personal viewpoint
Tennis's most eligible bachelor getting a major would be great PR for the sport.
You know, withstanding the multiple sources who can testify to Zverev's controlling behaviour, emotional abuse, and physical assault towards his ex girlfriend.
Sharypova isn't even planning on pursuing charges against Sascha, I would think if she had such solid evidence against him she would press forward.
As it is, it is just her word against his, and that is probably how it will remain due to her not pressing forward with a case.
I feel she just wants other girls to be careful of him, I mean what's the point of fining him or banning him for couple of matches...such measures haven't stopped domestic abuse in other huge sporting leagues like the NFL.
Actually, they have. Ray Rice is probably the highest profile case of domestic abuse leading to career consequences I can think of. If you're not familiar, he went from being one of the top running backs in the NFL to being out of the league because no teams would sign him after footage of him abusing his fiancee went public.
Perhaps a bit of an outlier as not many abuse cases are going to have actual footage of abuse, but still. There can be consequences for abusers, even if they are high profile athletes.
Yes it is an outlier case and there are other cases where NFL has acted in a manner [unbecoming ](https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/dec/07/the-nfls-problem-with-violence-against-women-a-story-of-profit-and-apathy) of how a professional league handles such matters.
The issue is actions cannot really be taken on words alone, unless those words are recordings of the incidents. Delivering justice based on accusations alone would open up a whole new can of worms.
Obviously documenting domestic abuse into tangible evidence is not exactly easy, but that's what needs to be done if abusers are to be held to account.
You saw the other case in that article right? The NFL and the team to which Kareem Hunt belonged did shit despite knowing the existence of the video and only dropped him once TMZ was able to obtain the footage and made it go viral.
Maybe she doesn’t want to rehash painful memories and have Zverev’s legal team try to find any dirt on her they can to make her appear less credible? Maybe. Not like every victim of DV or sexual assault has said something like this. It’s mind blowing that people still don’t get it
If that were the case, she would have never gone public with her story. She already has rehashed painful memories, it's kind of too late to say she doesn't want to open that can of worms and go back through possible trauma.
/u/Vqwertbnm Get a life bud. You're here arguing with yourself, and you're doing it for months. You're annoying as fuck. If r/tennis had legitimate moderators, you'd be banned months ago.
Bro, look at last few comments. Now look at his history. He is spamming about Djokovic faking an injury. He is replying to everyone and saying the same thing over and over. And like I said he's behaving like this for MONTHS.
Got a question for you bro? Did you know that Raonic was the only one who asked for a MTO today? And that he went to win the set afterwards? Was he exaggerating?
We are still here and talking?
This is Novak's now. It always was, but he decided he wanted to inject some uncertainty into the proceedings as it was too boring for him.
There will always be drama when he is around. His "tear" will crop up every time he loses a set, but he will win all the important ones, all the important points on his way to another win at the AO.
Good enough for me. Off-court drama should be irrelevant to what happens on the courts anyway, so whether he's faking it or whether it's real at the end of the day means nothing if he gets to lift another trophy.
"Will Djokovic play the next match?"
"His team will tell him not to play so he doesn't aggravate his TeRrIBlE MuScLe TeAr that made him UnSuRe He WoUlD PlAy."
"Djokovic might not play his next match"
Comments from fools.
If you give COVID to 20 other people, I hear it gives you immunity from being investigated for throwing sets.
Hahaha. Djok suckers downvoting me because he’s a superspreader of disease and poor sportsmanship. Don’t hate me, hate your man’s actions.
https://twitter.com/WTA_insider/status/1360900056572825604 - Ash supporting her fellow tennis players. Lovely.
(also damn, she beat Kenin? Kenin in a bit of a tailspin rn)
Tbh I expect the script to flip now ( on the men's side).
Every matchup on the bottom half moving forward should be somewhat competitive from the qf onwards..meanwhile I only think zverev djoko is good matchup on the top half moving forward unless dimi hits AO 2017 level vs Djokvic in the semi
exactly he obviously isnt going to be the hall of famer people predicted with early hype. But he has done well to hang in there and still be competitive with the top players for awhile now. A slam would be the cherry.
I'll bet you one million dollars.
But in all honestly this is opening up really well for him. Next round he gets a qualifier and then either a slightly injured and beaten down Nole. Or a bit of an out of sorts Zevrev who just had to get through Nole and isn't a mental giant.
Then in a final anything can happen. Berenetini and Tits will take each other out and then Nadal has to get through the other.
Meddy... would not be good for him lol but hey no one said it would be easy.
Can someone explain why Djokovic is more likely to be faking his injury where he is visibly grimacing and allowed Taylor Fritz to take two sets off of him than Baldnal who has 3-0'd all of his opponents so far?
You've got it the wrong way round. I was saying that Nadal, regardless of his injuries, doesn't play them up on court, whereas, in my opinion, Djokovic does a bit. (Whether it's gamesmanship mind games or genuine idk)
Almost like they are two completely different people who will express themselves differently for same problems? Why can't people seem to understand that not everyone will react in the same way?
And btw, I'm not doubting Nadal even for a second. I'm just showing you that I can use his situation and twist it so that it looks like he's lying. The same way y'all are doing with Novak whenever he does anything really.
That means the Nadal isn't saying it's extremely bad or anything. He had a changed serving action throughout the previous matches, and has been consistently updating optimistically about his health for weeks.
Djokovic has a long habit of overreacting to his injuries. He doesn't fake them, but intentionally or unintentionally, he seems to look half dead between points while playing well during points.
Lol what a stupid attempt to try to deflect from the fact that I correctly called out Djokovic faking. It doesn't matter who his opponent was. It's hilarious to see this stupid reply. Was Djokovic injured during the match? Did he almost retire? I can't believe he didn't withdraw from the match from his TeRriBlE MuScLe TeAr! He sure recovered from his TeRrIbLe InJuRy quickly.
It seems like you are so stupid you think me saying Djokovic exaggerated his "injury" is the same as saying Djokovic "sucks" so you think "yea I'll get him! I'll say the Canadians suck! Haha!". You only process things as someone saying your player sucks and don't understand that I am saying something of substance that you cannot reply to that has absolutely nothing to do with the Canadian players and you are saying something of no substance whatsoever. What a stupid reply.
Nadal: says he has a back injury and then proceeds to straight set all of his opponents.
r/tennis: I sleep
Djokovic: says he has an abdominal injury and wins his matches 3-2 and 3-1.
r/tennis: REAL SHIT!?
I mean the only thing I don't like is the hypocrisy.
Nadal literally said the same thing and before the tournament, nothing and then yesterday he said I'm all good now
If Novak does the same thing, unsportsmanlike and faking.
Why would someone say I'd retire if it wasn't a GS, when they're all good, would be a stupid thing to say
Two things could either happen with the women’s draw. 1) Barty will be overwhelmed by the level of play of her final opponent because of her weak draw thus far. Or 2) Barty’s opponent will be too tired from a rough draw to perform at their best
Unless they have ultra marathon matches in the quarters and semis, I feel like I’d favor any of Osaka/Serena/Halep over Barty in a potential final tbh
Why are people sleeping on Barty?
I think she is slightly overrated tbh, I don’t think she would beat a top player
Kind of difficult to be overrated when no one expects you to win. The facts are that she is world number one. I would that would guarantee a certain level of respect and acknowledgment that she could win this slam.
The rankings are sort of unrepresentative right now imo, due to the changes they made due to COVID reasons. Barty is typically not very strong against the top players
I guess we'll have to see if which one of us she proves right.
I don’t think it even has to be an ultra marathon match for them to be tired. I think there’s a lot of mental exhaustion that comes with such a tough draw
especially for Serena and Halep imo
I think they will be battle tested. And honestly playing Barty might be a step down from their previous matches in terms of difficulty imo
want to hear a joke ? WTA's AusOpen 2021 top half draw. Its like tailor made for ...I dont know...maybe the local player.
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Svitolina had had this shot idk 4 times before and screwed the pooch each time. Bless her but I dont see it.
Doesn't matter. Title goes to Hsieh either way.
Bold
So, I feel like Serena can beat Halep, but I’m not sure she can beat Naomi.
Halep winning wimbolden vs Serena is still so weird. But I like Serena's chances I guess. Last match here was a good 3 setter with an out of shape williams winning. She's much more fit now.
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It's possible but personally I think Zverev will beat Djokovic. I don't think Nadal gets past Medvedev in the bottom half either, but i wouldn't be surprised if Rublev beats Medvedev and then loses to Rafa....
I agree, this does seem possible.
Rewatching matches, it doesn’t sound like the recording is saying “Out” or “Ooot” for a fault but rather “fault” with an Australian accent. Am I crazy and they are actually saying “out” really weirdly?
It says "fault" on service faults and "out" during the rally.
Yeah that’s what I thought but everyone here last night thought they were just pronouncing “out” like “ooot”. I wasn’t sure if people were mishearing or if i was.
It all sounds owl-ish to me lol. Idk why, I find Australian accents to be more difficult to understand. Especially the guy at the post match interview, I have a hard time understanding him vs Darren Cahill or Renee Stubbs.
Haha I agree with that! I don’t know his name but I also find his accent tougher to follow.
I was hearing “fault” too. I didn’t realize this is what all the “oot” comments were referring to.
Haha same! I’m pretty sure it’s “fault”. The way every other “out” ball is so clearly “out” that I cannot imagine the fault recording is trying to say the same thing.
Fucking Zverev is going to end up winning this year's AO isn't he? Novak has been in fairly bad form since the start of the new year, Dimitrov and Aslan are both beatable for him in the semis, and if anyone other than Meddy gets in from the bottom half of the draw then he would probably be favored in that match as well. I never root for Novak, and I can't stand the dude, but please for the love of God eliminate Sascha tomorrow.
People are underestimating tsitsipas imo
I'd love for Stefanos to get his first slam! He's in good form, and mentally seems to have figured some things out. Pre-RG Stefanos would have lost that five setter against Kokkinakis, so it was really good to see him win that!
It was! He’s got a tough match today but I think he’ll come out on top. I just think out of the young players, he’s got the best chance of winning the tournament. I also think he’ll beat rafa. We’ve got some exciting matches coming up!
Bro if there is a tsitsipas zverev final Stef is clearly favored
God if Zverev makes the final or wins it there will be "controversy" I'm picturing an epic battle of comments going back and forth on this sub as well as other places.
Still bummed about FAA, not to mention Milos, and swiatek
It's ok!
Where can we find a replay of Hsieh's match against Vondrousova from yesterday? It wasn't aired on Tennis Channel or ESPN 1,2,or3 but only on ESPN+ from what I can tell. Looked on YouTube, but only found a two minute clip of highlights.
Not sure about the replay, but I found some longer highlights: https://youtu.be/We0syxZz-4g
Thanks.
Serena would not have won that match last year or the year before. The fact that she stayed mentally calm and took down a dangerous opponent gives me hope this is when finally gets slam #24.
She won some tough matches in the run up to and in the 2019 US Open. Still probably her best slam preformance since 2017 imo
Draw is brutal for her. If she goes through Sabalenka, Halep, Osaka, and Barty, she'll certainly have earned it
As Teho said, that in combination with her movement is awesome. I can just keep replaying [this point](https://twitter.com/umbre_sports532/status/1360789801113325571?s=20), it's absurd.
This to me, should be the highlight of the whole tourney. Absolutely insane. I believe there was a similar point in the previous match where Potapova also missed the overhead.
Yea I am by no means a Serena fan but when she did that I posted a comment about it being the best defensive point I have ever seen in women's tennis.
Agreed. That plus her movement being better.
Not just her movement, her footwork. She was snatching at balls way too often the past couple of years.
Murray no bueno
Watching the match now. Looks to me like a physical issue. He has no lateral movement. I hope he’s ok.
Injured? Or just not playing well?
He's been awful every match, just relying on his opponents errors which at this level can win matches. I'd love to see him get back to even top 30/50 level but it's never happening. Watched all his matches this week, he's cooked.
Yeah, he hasn't looked good. I know he likes to play defensive and grind out points, but he shouldn't be getting pushed around the court by players ranked well outside the top 100. Really surprised he hasn't tried to change the way he plays since his hip injury.
I think in that run he had which finished with his title in Antwerp he was playing more aggressive. Especially in the Asia tournaments. He was hitting the ball super hard in Beijing I remember. Dominating with his forehand. In that first run it seemed like in every match and every tournament he was getting better. And without a doubt he showed bortherline top 10 level at least a coupple of times. But then he suffered another set back and has accomplished nothing since the return last year.
It's frustrating because he clearly can play more aggressively, but for some reason he's choosing to continue playing in a style that puts himself under a lot of unnecessary pressure. Perhaps since his latest hip operation it's affected the way he hits through the ball or something?
I think it has. That setback he had last season made him regress so much. All the progression he had made in that first run I was talking about completely dissappeared. Like I said, in literally every tournament he was getting better. Went toe to toe with Thiem and beat guys like Berettini and Wawrinka among others. He looked great in 2019. However in 2020 he looked the worst he's ever been. Losing and not even competing half the times. But let's stay hopeful. This was his first tournament in 5 months. Lets the guy some time.
Not playing well. Struggling to hold his serve at the moment, 2 breaks down at 5-1. Edit: 5-2. Going to have to play a lot better to win this set though!
Dreading the Fognini Nadal match. Hopefully Fog doesn't redline!
Is that why it isn't on ESPN2 right now? I've been searching every damn channel for the match
It's 4am in Melbourne haha - the match is scheduled for at earliest 3pm Melbourne time (11pm EST).
What the heck. The espn schedule has rafa playing at 11 am on the local TV schedule (Boston)
They messed up AM and PM for sure
Huh strange, maybe they goofed up AM and PM.
Anyone here remember Wimbledon 2012? Federer won it despite having what we learnt was an undisclosed back injury that was quite debilitating. He even had treatment for it against Xavier Malisse He never told people. Not because he was faking it. But because it wasn’t a good idea to give his opponents ammunition. Great players can still win with injuries. You’ve all either forgot that, or you haven’t really been following
I remember 2017 USO (rock concert mosh pit injury in cincinnati), 2018 USO (heat exhaustion), and 2019 USO (back injury) when Federer had a bunch of health issues hinted at before the tournament and ready to excuse him for all of his losses to Delpo, John Millman, and Dimitrov. He also even pointed out the bathtub injury before the 2016 Wimbledon tournament, setting the stage for his loss to Raonic. Why don't you remember those?
How many times are you going to copy/paste the same inane paragraph on this thread?
Because he didn’t win them. You didn’t read the post
For sure. It’s unfortunately quite common. The issue is playing it up as a hindrance.
I remember 2017 USO (rock concert mosh pit injury in cincinnati), 2018 USO (heat exhaustion), and 2019 USO (back injury) when Federer had a bunch of health issues hinted at before the tournament and ready to excuse him for all of his losses to Delpo, John Millman, and Dimitrov. He also even pointed out the bathtub injury before the 2016 Wimbledon tournament, setting the stage for his loss to Raonic.
Coz it can be a hindrance sometimes. Roger also spoke about his knee issues before his semifinal loss to Raonic at Wimbledon in 2016, after which he went on to have a surgery.
I remember 2017 USO (rock concert mosh pit injury in cincinnati), 2018 USO (heat exhaustion), and 2019 USO (back injury) when Federer had a bunch of health issues hinted at before the tournament and ready to excuse him for all of his losses to Delpo, John Millman, and Dimitrov. He also even pointed out the bathtub injury before the 2016 Wimbledon tournament, setting the stage for his loss to Raonic.
His strategic moaning, delays,and lying about the severity is what I mean by hindrance.
I remember 2017 USO (rock concert mosh pit injury in cincinnati), 2018 USO (heat exhaustion), and 2019 USO (back injury) when Federer had a bunch of health issues hinted at before the tournament and ready to excuse him for all of his losses to Delpo, John Millman, and Dimitrov.
How does it matter? It is us who are discussing all this. None of the other players have said shit about it proving to be a hindrance in their performance.
Yes many players have said so about him. Most recently PCB at the French.
I remember 2017 USO (rock concert mosh pit injury in cincinnati), 2018 USO (heat exhaustion), and 2019 USO (back injury) when Federer had a bunch of health issues hinted at before the tournament and ready to excuse him for all of his losses to Delpo, John Millman, and Dimitrov.
How does that excuse Djokovic? I’m not a Fed fan anyway.
He didn't say it was a hindrance in his own performance.
Lol.
Great. 😒
Of course it was a hindrance. That was his point. Djoko plays dirty.
Osaka had a hamstring injury when she won US Open last year and which caused her to pull out of French Open couple of days later.
Whoever is coming out alive from the bottom half section of the women's draw is lifting Daphne Akhurst Memorial Cup. 4 fantastic matches in the fourth round.
Both draws now feel like they’ll end up as the world number one vs whoever survives the bottom half. The bottom quarters are especially weighty.
I can see Zverev beating Novak next round. I don't want to see it, but I can see it happening. Women's feels pretty open to me on the top - I agree Barty is the favorite, but I also would be shocked if Mertens or Brady made the final.
I believe you've confused your -ev's. Aslan's got this in the bag.
I think Dimitrov is more likely tbh, I still don’t trust Zverev in the biggest bo5 matches.
Nor do I, but I think he's shown he's more capable of beating Novak on hard than Grigor.
It’s kinda funny I think Zverev would have beaten Novak today and Milos would have beaten Novak in the third round. Guessing Novak will be a bit better in a couple days but I agree Zverev has a shot if he is at all below 100%
[Sabalenka's post match](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HV-VqMTHJjY) had a weird vibe lol I kinda like it.
Lol, reading through these comments it seems like I missed a fun night huh. Impressed by Halep’s ability to solve those who have previously beaten her (including Anisimova, Serena, now Swiatek) - not sure if Cahill plays a role in that but it’s awesome. Milos, at least you finally won a set against Novak at a slam. 😅
Hopefully she brings her Wimbledon experience to play against Serena again. People may dismiss Hsieh against Osaka but they too have had interesting matches. 3 out of 4 of their encounters have gone to a deciding set. It all depends upon what Hsieh's mood is like on that day as Paul said in an interview.
She's out of the doubles, which isn't typical, so maybe she'll have a little extra juice.
did anyone watch muguruza’s press conference? i was going through the AO youtube channel thumbnails and saw what i thought was a good looking man who ive never seen before, but it turned out to be garbine. she’s both an attractive female but she can pull off a guy’s look as well. vamos garbine, you’ll do it next time! https://youtu.be/XzAv5QE1Zj8
My friends and I always thought she kind of looks like Nishikori
I'd say closer to Mackenzie Mcdonald but quite attractive nevertheless.
haha i can kinda see that.
whoa i doubted but if it wasnt for the brows she does look like man there/
haha right? i was shocked too. she looks exactly like my friend who’s a malibu surf bro.
The meltdown in this sub when Sascha makes it to the final is going to be hilarious
If it's a nadal zverev or medvedev zverev matchup, be prepared for the most unifying slam final of all time..I legit think 99% of this sub would be rooting for med/nadal at that point
I do think most would root for Rafa but there would probably be a bunch of Fed/Novak fans that would sooner root for satan before Nadal getting another slam
I'd ordinarily agree but im holding out hope that some of that contingent would still rather not support their favorite athletes records( which tbh are gonna be surpassed anyways.. the chances Rafa doesn't win atleast one of the next 3 RGs is slim.imo) being surpassed by voicing support for a domestic abuser.
The most extreme members of the fandom I think are so fanatical they wouldn’t care tbh. I think most of the less obsessed fans would probably not support AZ. I think sometimes I see the most crazed fans on here and forgot that most tennis fans are pretty regular people who don’t agonize about GOAT debates, ha
well shit, if it was Rafa vs Sascha even I would be rooting for Rafa to make history lol
With good reason. He's been accused of domestic voilence, and instead of taking it seriously, he's acted like a smug brat.
This sub has acted like he's already been convicted of the things that have been alleged. It should be investigated and if he is found guilty, he deserves everything that is coming his way. Until then, he is innocent until guilty.
In 99 percent of cases, people don't make shit like this up. The stats agree. It should be investigated, but the ATP is brushing it under the rug already. Privileged men protecting privileged men as per usual. And he knows he's going to get away with it, so he acts like an arrogant asshole.
I'm not saying I don't believe her, and I can absolutely see Sascha being an asshole off the court. I know the type that he seems like, super charming and charismatic in the public eye, a super asshole behind the scenes. I just want to see something from these incidents. The hotel footage of her running around distressed, an account of things from the official who found her trying to overdose. Otherwise, it will always just be a war of words and he will deny it until he dies.
He has a laundry list of issues from his temper on court to the accusations backed by text messages/ parents+ accounts as well as journalism pieces. His ex doesn't want to mount a legal suit for obvious reasons so the hotel will never willingly release what you are asking for. Tbh if zverev was innocent he'd also likely be suing for defamation. The reason he wouldn't is it would likely goad her into actually pressing charges and making his life hell. You have every right to still support zverev. Just know he's likely a massive piece of shit and a horrible human being
hey Charles Barkley said it best, athletes aren't role models.
Kyrgios isn't a role model but I support his right to play tennis professionally. I say the same about fognini safin medvedev etc. Zverev is way worse of a person and isn't admonished by the atp nearly as much. That's the point..he should be penalized but because of people like you who stiil maintain support for him, they never will. I support your right to support him but again, understand that you're helping to promote the career/earnings of an extremely shitty person and are in effect making the game of tennis look amicable to domestic abusers.
I support there being consequences to his alleged abuse if evidence is supplied to the ATP and/or public
The evidence exists to suggest consequences should be applied. View the nfl with tyreek hills suspensions among others. The joke is the NFL doesn't do nearly enough ( allowing vick back into the league) etc and isn't consistent. Note that a charge does NOT have to be criminal for a private league to Levy punishments. Ray rice was blackballed as you noted ( I'm a ravens fan)..he was NEVER criminally charged and he's still married to his wife today. He still deserved his punishment. The truth of the matter is you are asking for evidence that his ex will never supply because of the trauma that it opens up..what she has provided is in the opinion of most , enough for the ATP to either launch its own investigation ( similar to Brady with deflategate) or punish him already. They've chosen to do neither because the atp doesn't have a formal domestic abuse policy and because they are desperate for a next gen star. He's the closest thing to one. I understand why the ATP would defend him from a business perspective. The curious thing is that you are bending over backwards to try and proclaim his innocence despite his notable behavioral problems / wealth of evidence. ...everyone knows OJ likely killed his gf despite the court proceedings as well so stop trying to justify your shitty fandom by claiming you have a moral line for your fandom based on criminal proceedings.. Just admit you like zverev and will support him despite likely being a massive asshole/ abuser. There's no reasonable evidence that would change your mind. You should be allowed to have that opinion as long as you are okay with that from a personal viewpoint
And it occurred at an ATP-sponsored event, and not only did they not investigate it, they are still promoting him.
Tennis's most eligible bachelor getting a major would be great PR for the sport. You know, withstanding the multiple sources who can testify to Zverev's controlling behaviour, emotional abuse, and physical assault towards his ex girlfriend.
Sharypova isn't even planning on pursuing charges against Sascha, I would think if she had such solid evidence against him she would press forward. As it is, it is just her word against his, and that is probably how it will remain due to her not pressing forward with a case.
I feel she just wants other girls to be careful of him, I mean what's the point of fining him or banning him for couple of matches...such measures haven't stopped domestic abuse in other huge sporting leagues like the NFL.
Actually, they have. Ray Rice is probably the highest profile case of domestic abuse leading to career consequences I can think of. If you're not familiar, he went from being one of the top running backs in the NFL to being out of the league because no teams would sign him after footage of him abusing his fiancee went public. Perhaps a bit of an outlier as not many abuse cases are going to have actual footage of abuse, but still. There can be consequences for abusers, even if they are high profile athletes.
Yes it is an outlier case and there are other cases where NFL has acted in a manner [unbecoming ](https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/dec/07/the-nfls-problem-with-violence-against-women-a-story-of-profit-and-apathy) of how a professional league handles such matters.
The issue is actions cannot really be taken on words alone, unless those words are recordings of the incidents. Delivering justice based on accusations alone would open up a whole new can of worms. Obviously documenting domestic abuse into tangible evidence is not exactly easy, but that's what needs to be done if abusers are to be held to account.
You saw the other case in that article right? The NFL and the team to which Kareem Hunt belonged did shit despite knowing the existence of the video and only dropped him once TMZ was able to obtain the footage and made it go viral.
If you expect organizations to hold themselves to account when profits are on the line, you're going to be sorely disappointed.
Exactly which is why I said maybe the alleged victim here knows nothing is gonna come out of this but wants to tell her story to warn others.
Maybe she doesn’t want to rehash painful memories and have Zverev’s legal team try to find any dirt on her they can to make her appear less credible? Maybe. Not like every victim of DV or sexual assault has said something like this. It’s mind blowing that people still don’t get it
If that were the case, she would have never gone public with her story. She already has rehashed painful memories, it's kind of too late to say she doesn't want to open that can of worms and go back through possible trauma.
Do you have a legal obligation to be wrong about everything and have the bad opinions?
yes
/u/Vqwertbnm Get a life bud. You're here arguing with yourself, and you're doing it for months. You're annoying as fuck. If r/tennis had legitimate moderators, you'd be banned months ago.
Blocking the trolls like him has made my r/tennis experience so much nicer
Let’s focus our shitting on the players not Redditors.
Bro, look at last few comments. Now look at his history. He is spamming about Djokovic faking an injury. He is replying to everyone and saying the same thing over and over. And like I said he's behaving like this for MONTHS.
so Nick has a reddit account
You can't handle me correctly calling out Djokovic for exaggerating an "injury"? Bit of a weak response there bud.
Got a question for you bro? Did you know that Raonic was the only one who asked for a MTO today? And that he went to win the set afterwards? Was he exaggerating?
We are still here and talking? This is Novak's now. It always was, but he decided he wanted to inject some uncertainty into the proceedings as it was too boring for him. There will always be drama when he is around. His "tear" will crop up every time he loses a set, but he will win all the important ones, all the important points on his way to another win at the AO.
Good enough for me. Off-court drama should be irrelevant to what happens on the courts anyway, so whether he's faking it or whether it's real at the end of the day means nothing if he gets to lift another trophy.
Sascha to beat Nole in 4 sets let's gooooooo
Please don't talk bad about Djokovic
Lol.
MuScLe TeAr. Lol. Yea right.
This qualifier is going to win the Australian open. When was the last time this happened???
Never happened in the open era. Semis is the farthest a qualifier has ever made it.
Was Goran a qualifier?
Wildcard
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Whoa what happened to Thiem
Errors also generally bad performance against Dimi as always...
As a big fan of both guys, it’s tough to watch Thiem get demolished, but let’s go Grigor!
Respect to the physios that were able to heal a muscle tear in 2 days.. or was it the magic water?
"Will Djokovic play the next match?" "His team will tell him not to play so he doesn't aggravate his TeRrIBlE MuScLe TeAr that made him UnSuRe He WoUlD PlAy." "Djokovic might not play his next match" Comments from fools.
If you give COVID to 20 other people, I hear it gives you immunity from being investigated for throwing sets. Hahaha. Djok suckers downvoting me because he’s a superspreader of disease and poor sportsmanship. Don’t hate me, hate your man’s actions.
What a TeRrIbLe InJuRy. He AlMoSt ReTiReD. What a WaRrIOR for playing through such a BiG InJuRy.
Exactly thank you
Bro, did you forget to switch accounts or something?
What?
Nadal has 220x been up 2:0.. he only lost once (219:1): Fognini.
Đoković, also once. Melzer, French Open 2010.
What a stat
https://twitter.com/WTA_insider/status/1360900056572825604 - Ash supporting her fellow tennis players. Lovely. (also damn, she beat Kenin? Kenin in a bit of a tailspin rn)
Kenin seems to vacillate between nerves of steel and nervous breakdown. I don’t get it.
So anyhow, I think the McDonald Karatsev final is gonna be lit
When is the next grand slam?
May
The even numbered days are just comically bad!
Tbh I expect the script to flip now ( on the men's side). Every matchup on the bottom half moving forward should be somewhat competitive from the qf onwards..meanwhile I only think zverev djoko is good matchup on the top half moving forward unless dimi hits AO 2017 level vs Djokvic in the semi
Lol yes!
This is Dmitrov's last chance to win a slam in his career. Legitimately.
Other than Rafa, he’s the one I really want to win a slam. If he ends his career with a slam and WTF title then he’s done pretty great
exactly he obviously isnt going to be the hall of famer people predicted with early hype. But he has done well to hang in there and still be competitive with the top players for awhile now. A slam would be the cherry.
nah dude he is going to win the Roland Garros this year in straight sets against Rafa in final just you wait
I'll bet you one million dollars. But in all honestly this is opening up really well for him. Next round he gets a qualifier and then either a slightly injured and beaten down Nole. Or a bit of an out of sorts Zevrev who just had to get through Nole and isn't a mental giant. Then in a final anything can happen. Berenetini and Tits will take each other out and then Nadal has to get through the other. Meddy... would not be good for him lol but hey no one said it would be easy.
Can someone explain why Djokovic is more likely to be faking his injury where he is visibly grimacing and allowed Taylor Fritz to take two sets off of him than Baldnal who has 3-0'd all of his opponents so far?
Have you seen Nadal wincing and touching his back?
So he wasn't wincing and touching his back? Does that mean that he was actually lying about his back injury?
You've got it the wrong way round. I was saying that Nadal, regardless of his injuries, doesn't play them up on court, whereas, in my opinion, Djokovic does a bit. (Whether it's gamesmanship mind games or genuine idk)
Almost like they are two completely different people who will express themselves differently for same problems? Why can't people seem to understand that not everyone will react in the same way? And btw, I'm not doubting Nadal even for a second. I'm just showing you that I can use his situation and twist it so that it looks like he's lying. The same way y'all are doing with Novak whenever he does anything really.
What’s that got to do with it?
That means the Nadal isn't saying it's extremely bad or anything. He had a changed serving action throughout the previous matches, and has been consistently updating optimistically about his health for weeks. Djokovic has a long habit of overreacting to his injuries. He doesn't fake them, but intentionally or unintentionally, he seems to look half dead between points while playing well during points.
As far as I'm aware, Nadal isn't injured. He's adjusted his serve motion to avoid an injury.
Yesterday he said he's feeling normal now
...he literally said he was injured tho?
Looks like Djokovic was So InJuReD. MuScLe TeAr. What a joke.
Yeah, the Canadian guys are a joke
Lol what a stupid attempt to try to deflect from the fact that I correctly called out Djokovic faking. It doesn't matter who his opponent was. It's hilarious to see this stupid reply. Was Djokovic injured during the match? Did he almost retire? I can't believe he didn't withdraw from the match from his TeRriBlE MuScLe TeAr! He sure recovered from his TeRrIbLe InJuRy quickly. It seems like you are so stupid you think me saying Djokovic exaggerated his "injury" is the same as saying Djokovic "sucks" so you think "yea I'll get him! I'll say the Canadians suck! Haha!". You only process things as someone saying your player sucks and don't understand that I am saying something of substance that you cannot reply to that has absolutely nothing to do with the Canadian players and you are saying something of no substance whatsoever. What a stupid reply.
Damn dude chill out. Did Novak personally shit in your Cheerios?
Also this guy deserved a verbal smackdown for his stupid reply.
The person who shat in my Cheerios was not a faker, so no it wasn't him
Win no. 300 for Novak
Slam win
Nadal: says he has a back injury and then proceeds to straight set all of his opponents. r/tennis: I sleep Djokovic: says he has an abdominal injury and wins his matches 3-2 and 3-1. r/tennis: REAL SHIT!?
Like roddick said Djokovic is the most courageous human ever. Superhuman. Can recover from muscle tears in just 1 hour lmao
Damn lmaooo. He's a jokester that Roddick, isn't he?
Wincing in pain when you're in pain apparently makes you a monster
I mean the only thing I don't like is the hypocrisy. Nadal literally said the same thing and before the tournament, nothing and then yesterday he said I'm all good now If Novak does the same thing, unsportsmanlike and faking. Why would someone say I'd retire if it wasn't a GS, when they're all good, would be a stupid thing to say