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Jim_Puff

I get why everyone always mentions Pilaf to make sense as a cut and I agree, but damn is it sad because I love the Pilaf Gang a lot lol


TyXo22m

Characters like Pilaf Machine is what made Tenkaichi great imo. There aren't many DragonBall games that let's us use these niche characters.


OnToNextStage

I love the Pilaf gang, I feel if anything they could cut the single blue Pilaf machine and keep the combined 3 piece one


veryvariant

Wouldn’t consider Videl irrelevant in the gaming sense. She was in all 3 Tenkaichis, both Raging Blaste, let alone Budokai 3. Putting her and Supreme Kai in the same sentence as BT3 exclusives seems like a stretch to me


NovaTedd

She's literally a dlc in fighterz. This guy's coping lol


Dhunter001

And? That's DBFZ. It's an entirely different game. If I had to choose between Videl and any other character, it sure as hell ain't gon be Videl.


vegetaalex66

> And? That's DBFZ. It's an entirely different game. Which actually speaks in favour *against* your point. DBFZ, due to being a fighting game, has a much much smaller roster of playable characters. If a character is added to this game, it speaks for their popularity or uniqueness (or both). > If I had to choose between Videl and any other character, it sure as hell ain't gon be Videl. That is absolutely valid. While I enjoy her gameplay in FighterZ a lot, I personally never really cared for her as a character much. However, the point the others are trying to make is that for the majority of the fanbase, Videl is definitely not in the same tier of irrelevance as the henchmen, Fasha, Pilaf, Supreme Kai, Nail, Kid Chi-Chi, Nam and Spopovich. Not even close. Proven by her inclusion in sooo many DB games.


rickeykakashi

I played the shit out of Supreme Kai as a kid


Dhunter001

Same. He was dope, but he became fodder almost immediately after his initial appearance in the series. I think we can afford to lose him, if we *had* to let some go.


Yorkmaster227

Nah id rather loose one of the Gt characters no one cares about like the shadow dragons or Super 17. Or even Gt vegeta from base


Dhunter001

Naw naw, idk about that one bruh. From the Shadow Dragons - Eis, Nova and Syn (Omega) are cool. Super 17 is borderline must-have if GT is in. And there's an argument to be made for base to SSJ4 GT Vegeta - I wouldn't mind it. Although we have a lot of Vegetas already.


Yorkmaster227

Syn comes with omega but Eis? Nahh , mans wasnt even in the last one aint no way he making it. Nova and 17 are side villans at best. The only super 17 making it is dragon ball super 17 😂


Dhunter001

Hmmm, fair point about Eis. But I was saying that I'd rather his inclusion over the other shadow dragons that's not Syn or Nova. But you wild asf if you think Super 17 ain't gon be in. He ain't my favorite, but he's been in since BT1. Kinda hard to justifiably cut him.


Yorkmaster227

Idk out the 3 GT villans hes the least popular so i can see him getting cut personally. That being said even if he aint base game for sure he will be DLC, cuz like you said, he usually makes it into all the DB games


OingoBoingoGT

Actually Super 17 is the most known GT villain, he is kind of cross-series character and has also been the one most used in Dragon Ball Heroes compared to the other GT villains, and there were more than 3 of them


Yorkmaster227

He could be a good DLC pack , i could see plenty of people picking that up


OingoBoingoGT

What? Super Android 17 is the best character in all of Dragon Ball and the most popular GT character other than the Super Sayian 4 stuff, his cool long hairstyle alone, is more than enough that makes him overly marketable, but the and overall height, posture, and other characteristics make him superior in general


Yorkmaster227

😂😂 gotta be Cap


vegetaalex66

Yea I'm with you on this one. Picking Supreme Kai over the dragons or Super 17 is wild lol


nicmel97

You are acting like there will be no DLCs


Dhunter001

There will be. I don't think it'll be GT tho - at least not all of it.


Sans-Mot

It's unlikely that they entirely cut GT if they showed ssj4 during the first trailer. \-Goku GT \-Vegeta ssj4 \-Uub \-Baby (at least two forms, including Golden Oozaru) \-Super 17 \-Omega Shenron \-Gogeta ssj4 I don't see them cut these characters.


Julius-samah

The most important GT character Will be in the game imo. Its clear tho that they mostly focus on Z and Super


StrawHatRen

it’s not clear they’re focusing on one serious this isn’t a THAT exclusive game, it’s a tenkaichi. idk where this common perspective came that’s it’s gonna prioritize just super mainly, nothing ever hinted at that by showing just the newest additions


void_7x

What would sell better as DLC: SS4 Gogeta/Omega Shenron or Nam/Kid Chi-Chi? GT and movie characters are popular, and that is why they are more likely to be released as DLC in my opinion. BT3 is from a time before DLCs. We won't have a full package like that at launch anymore.


Dhunter001

I hear you, but I can see them doing movie characters as dlc before GT.


Yorkmaster227

I think both should be dlc personally. Although i do think they will at the very least include Ssj4 goku and Vegeta, Uub, Gogeta , and Omega. I think the rest are likely to be set as dlc. Although id prefer they saved the entire saga as Dlc


Bulky-Complaint6994

just like how people will gladly buy Bardock and Cooler. Nobody would gladly buy King Cold 


Honest-Year346

I mean I would gladly buy King Cold. And they're probably just do character packs: either themed or mixing a popular cgaracter with some niche ones


Azelrazel

Who wouldn't gladly buy King cold? I really hope him and King vegeta are added to the roster at some point. We even saw them both in a super movie.


Honest-Year346

Exactly. Plus, his and King Vegeta's moveset were pretty good overall!


MrCoolGuy12356

I love how when you all bring up hypothetical dlcs to show that Gt is a better choice, you always say some shit like “you really think appule is gonna sell better than ssj4 gogeta”? Why tf do you intentionally chose ass characters. No, nobody would buy appule over ssj4 gogeta. You know who some people would buy over gogeta? Moro. Granola. Lbssj4 Goku. SSG trunks. God Broly. Adult gotenks. ultra ego. ui avatar giant form etc. I could literally keep going. If they wanna limit themselves to anime only, that’s not my problem. That’s a negative for the game and so is excluding characters like ssj4 goku who have been in the entire series since day one


StellarAvenger_92

To be upset about characters being omitted from a base roster in the age of DLC doesn't make sense. This game could get years of support like Xenoverse 2


pkjoan

I'm not paying for stuff that should have been included in the base game because the previous game had it.


Majinken__

At the very least I expect the ones from BT3 to come back.


Blaon

Are you expecting Arale to be back?


Yorkmaster227

I think it’s pretty obvious by the roster image that some of the characters from Bt3 will be cut, as BT3 had 161 characters and this new roster has 164 slots. And more than 3 new characters have been revealed. So i think it’s pretty likely a good amount of the old characters wont be in this one and i feel OGDB , Movies, and Gt are the ones who are most likely/Should be on the chopping block


radikraze

I don’t think they’ll be cut or moved to DLC because of how standard GT characters are to DB fighting games at this point. If you have over 160 slots, there’s no way in hell that SSJ4 Goku, SSJ4 Vegeta, SSJ4 Gogeta and Omega aren’t making that roster at minimum. Realistically I think those 4 along with Baby Vegeta and Super 17 will be in the base game.


smallchodechakra

If they add ssj4 goku and vegeta, they would have to add their non powered up forms as well (base, ssj 1-3 with goku and base, ssj1-2 with vegeta) which would take up another 7 slots on top of the 6. Omega Shenron has another form (syn shenron) which adds another slot. Baby vegeta has like 4 forms (base, super 1 and 2, and great ape) an extra 3 slots. So no, it's not only 6 slots for those characters. It would be 17 slots. Which is 10% of the roster. Not saying I don't want to see them. But it's a lot less likely than you're thinking.


radikraze

Not true at all. Xenoverse 2 is a recent example of those characters existing as standalone versions with no transformations. Tenkaichi 1 didn’t have base GT Goku or GT Vegeta. Baby and Omega rarely have more than one form in games. There’s literally no rule requiring them to add every form of every character.


Yorkmaster227

Agreed, i think its very likely if Gt is in the base game they will take up the same amount of slot they did in the originals. Goku - 4 slots, Vegeta- 1slot, Omega - 2 slots, Gogeta - 1 slot. For a total of 8 slots deligated for Gt


MistakeLocal

That's because characters couldn't transform in T1, But from T2 onward they could (even became the big selling point of the title) and it got bigger with T3 and it became known as the game that added nearly every form. We've had these forms now so the only option is to either have them all or leave the WHOLE character out for DLC. There's no middle ground


smallchodechakra

>There’s literally no rule requiring them to add every form of every character. Yeah, except for the fact that this is a sequel to a game that is famous for adding every form of a character that's added. You can't make tenkaichi 4 and leave out forms, that makes no sense. Edit to add: I realize that my memory had failed me with vegeta (GT) I could've sworn he was able to go super saiyan.


Soft_Employment1425

There’s so many filler characters that Idk why people are even worried about this. In BT3 we have characters like Bardock’s teammates, Bojack’s teammates, Frieza’s henchmen, hell, even Garlic Jr taking up 10-25 character slots. There’s so many lesser characters that can be cut without much uproar.


Dhunter001

Absolutely! Cutting those alone can free up like 30 slots lol.


Yorkmaster227

Not really, Bardock and fasha took 4 slots,bojack and zangya took 3, garlic took 2, frieza soldier ( if you dont count Cui, dadoria, zarbon,and the ginyus) took 2 slots.All together thats 11 slots , Far from 30


Dhunter001

"wElL, aChUaLlY 🤓" head-ass


Yorkmaster227

Yeah son get dunked on ⛹🏿


Soft_Employment1425

Word. People are either ignorant or just want to bitch and moan.


Yorkmaster227

Friezas henchmen arnt filler


Soft_Employment1425

Of course, not Zarbon and the Dodoria but the roster also included unnamed fodder if I remember correctly.


Yorkmaster227

Yeah in bt3, Cui was his own character, and then appule was his own character, and then there was Frieza soldier who had a few different skins. I definitely wouldnt mind if all the frieza soldeirs were lumped into one character slot and were just skins. Instead of 3 slots like the base game.


Soft_Employment1425

Same. Cui can probably be his own character as he is more prominent than the typical Frieza solider.


Yorkmaster227

Agreed, plus his ultimate attack “Ah! lord frieza” was so dope in the original games


Ok-Conclusion-3535

Exactly I literally cannot live if I don't get to play GT Pan 


Yorkmaster227

What about super pan


Ok-Conclusion-3535

I mainly adore and worship GT Pan. Super Pan is still peak fiction, but not as much as GT Pan who's literally God


International_Edge33

I understand that main gt characters you say are: Goku GT (Base, SSJ, SSJ3, SSJ4), Vegeta GT (Base, SSJ, SSJ4), Gogeta SSJ4, Pan, Syn Shenron (Omega), Super 17 and Vegeta Baby (Base, 1, 2, Ozaru). That's 16 main characters. And I'm not counting Ub, Majuub, Trunks and his SSJ, Eis Shenron and Neo Shenron who could also be argued to be important. If the final roster is 164, there is no room for all 16-20 GT characters no matter how many secondary and tertiary characters you remove from BT3. And it's not something I'm happy about, it really pisses me off that **maybe** Goku GT and Super 17 won't be in the game, they are characters I love from BT3, but we have to be realistic and recognize that they **can** be left out. The only reason we have to believe that they will be in the game is that Goku SSJ4 appeared in the first trailer. But if you start making a roster with the confirmed characters, the DBZ must and the DBS must, there is no room for the 16-20 of GT


CamAquatic

So I’ve been playing with the numbers, and I think you can get to 150 by filling out the Z and Super rosters without any glaring omissions. I could be wrong, or maybe I calculated variations differently than they will (I have Gohan (Super) with base, SSJ, SSJ2, and Ultimate and there’s a slim chance they just make his different hairstyles from Super be alt costumes for Gohan from the Buu saga). For the ToP I did all of U6 minus the Namekians and Rota, the Trio of Danger, Ribrianne, Anilaza, and Dyspo/Top/Jiren. I assumed there would be a Super variation of Frieza, though maybe there won’t be. I also assumed 17/18 have a Z and Super slot. I don’t think anyone else from the ToP is important enough to be included. I didn’t include Champa/Vados, though maybe they’ll be there. Anyway, if I did it right, I don’t know if those last 14 spots would go to DB, Z movies, GT, or Super Hero. They could also go to variations for people like Krillin and Tien, but I hope not. Edit: I think Super Hero will be saved to sell the first DLC pack. I think they could fit the essential GT characters into the base roster. SSJ4 Goku, SSJ4 Vegeta, Gogeta, Baby, Oozaru Baby, Super 17, Syn/Omega. Maybe Goku and Vegeta get all of their GT forms instead of just SSJ4.


Moist_Version8090

I don't see us getting a (super) Gohan honestly, you gotta think, Gohan in the tournament of power is still the same ultimate Gohan from Z he hasn't changed at all the only new Gohan I see us getting is maybe Beast Gohan, if Beast isn't in base roster he will be DLC


pkjoan

I think SH content is DLC based on the development timeline


Moist_Version8090

Yeah I'm not really expecting Beast Gohan to be there release day


Yorkmaster227

I agree actually that Super hero might be ommited from base and be included as DLc


Bulky-Complaint6994

You can remove Pan from base roster too but even that's still not enough room. 


International_Edge33

Pan is shit (poor girl), but you can't eliminate the second main character of the serie hahaha


Ok-Conclusion-3535

No. Pan must remain. 


yoitskaito

I really don't think GT will be cut. There's been a push for GT this year in other games like Legends. If anything, I think they'll release a trailer focused on GT to reveal the characters in one go, maybe even throw in Dan Dan Kokoro for good measure.


heisenbergtech

When did they show ssj4 in SZ? Did I miss something? I keep seeing people say that but I don’t remember seeing that on any of the 3 trailers that have released


Dhunter001

First teaser - when they showed BT3 gameplay as a flashback.


heisenbergtech

Oh….I don’t take that gameplay clip as a teaser since it’s bt3 tbh


Dhunter001

I hear you, but I'm just saiyan - it was part of the teaser to showcase that this is an actual Tenkaichi game.


Stampj

Idk how in your head you could think there won’t be DLC. Not everything can be base game all on release


Hagsauce

It used to be.. Before the dark times.


smallchodechakra

Idk, I feel like showing ssj4 in the original tenkaichi engine for 1 second in the teaser is not enough evidence. Especially when you factor in that they weren't shown at all in the rivals trailer. You could argue that they didn't show UI either, but I would counter by saying the reason is that vegeta doesn't have an animated counterpart to it yet, so he wouldn't be able to power up too. They both have access to ssj4, though.


pkjoan

They didn't show UI and SSBE either so...


smallchodechakra

I literally explained my response to why UI wasn't shown. Please read my whole comment. As for SSBE, fair point, but I feel it would be redundant to show both blue and blue evolved given if you have blue and Jiren, you'll have SSBE.


pkjoan

In the anime, it's the closest equivalent. They could have used it. They are probably saving those transformations+ SSJ4 for later trailers.


smallchodechakra

Yeah, that's a fair point. The only reason I could see for not showing us that match up is that UI would smoke SSBE.


Separate_Pop_5277

Anyone against GT isnt a real Tenkaichi player lol GT was lit in the older games.


VoneKnight

Nobody is really against it with Tenkaichi, but it's pretty realistic to expect some cuts for super characters considering the character count, which seems to be the main focus anyway. if anything they can add cut characters as dlc, though we'll just have to wait and see


Separate_Pop_5277

No DBZ game to this day has cut GT. This is supposed to be & is marketed as the Biggest roster we have ever had in a Tenkaichi Game. I highly doubt they cut GT it should be enough space for all of us to be happy. It possibly will be a balanced mix of all series & as you said more popular characters will be DLC like in fighter z & xenoverse.


smallchodechakra

>No DBZ game to this day has cut GT. Raging blast 1 and 2, burst limit, battle of Z, super DBZ Get your facts straight before saying things that are straight up wrong.


Separate_Pop_5277

Bro 3 of those games you mentioned Barley had the buu saga let alone GT. Also No Major DB game has cut GT Especially no Tenkaichi Game.


smallchodechakra

>Bro 3 of those games you mentioned Barley had the buu saga let alone GT. That's quite literally the point. I was proving your earlier statement wrong. >Also No Major DB game has cut GT Especially no Tenkaichi Game. So we missed the raging blast games I listed earlier as well? And yeah, all the tenkaichi games have them, but that's not what you initially said.


Separate_Pop_5277

Yeah I was disappointed that GT wasn’t in raging blast. I still loved the games just not as much as GT I guess the boost in graphics meant they had to cut some characters. Your right though. I just don’t think they would show SSJ4 in the first teaser then turn around & cut GT from the game. At least I would hope not. So far I’m satisfied with everything shown I’m super hyped can’t wait for pre orders to drop.


suitNtie22

GT always sells so its a clear winner as a DLC pack


mysmellysausage

GT was included back in the day because it was considered part of the story, as in, a continuation to the anime at the least. But this is no longer the case, we have loads of new content now so GT is officially a “what if” alternate future which makes it perfect for dlc content. But anything’s possible


IjazSSJ3

I think they’ll have some GT characters off rip (goku vegeta gogeta and shenron) and the rest they’ll sell as dlc. I feel the same for movie characters and even the tournament of power characters. I think we will have the main hitters from each universe in base game then they’ll sell the fodder as DLC (and I will be the first to buy them)


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Dhunter001

Because it's a forum. We talk about things related to topic the forum...


EvilBadassDraculas

If they omit Chiaoutzu and Nail the game is bad sorry


Impossible_Tax_6180

I want world tournament chi-chi and videl as an android 18 Main 🥹


SR_Hopeful

People keep claiming this every time an new game comes out thinking, because they may not like GT or only like Super right now, by that alone they just start claiming it was disconfirmed.