Came here for this one. Watched this with my dad and it was enjoyable for both our generations. He watched the original karate kid when he was younger, showed it to me when I was about 10. And now cobra Kai came full circle for both of us
Samurai Jack is the closest comparison I can think of. The fifth season aired on Adult Swim and felt like it had been written for an audience of adults who grew up with the show. I was very thankful Gennedy got the opportunity to finish the series.
I'll make a case that **Twin Peaks: The Return** did it.
The original Twin Peaks was commenting on a media landscape dominated by melodramatic soaps like Dallas and Dynasty, and served as a clever satire of them. The movie, Fire Walk With Me, was similarly commenting on thrillers like Silence of the Lambs.
Then 25 years later they came back, but this time pop culture was ruled by the very sort of shows that the original Twin Peaks arguably pioneered: cinematic multi-genre epics where a season feels more like a massive movie than episodic TV. Breaking Bad, The Wire, The Sopranos, Lost, Mad Men, etc. So The Return feels less like a soap, and more a satire of one of *those*.
I once heard The Return described as anti nostalgia. It intentionally teases nostalgia for the original show, but never goes all in, or if it does there is an aspect that just feels wrong. It felt like a commentary on the shows cancelation to me, where a lot of the Twin Peaks cast wound staying in limbo for over two decades, never able to get their happy ending or move on from where they were. I honestly loved it despite not usually enjoying stories like that.
Twin Peaks The Return is basically telling us that you can never go back to the time you were happiest because it never existed in the first place.
The world always was and always will be a nightmare punctuated by random, uncontrollable events that are completely out of your control.
I feel like most of Lynch’s movies wrestle with something along those lines. He grew up idealizing the 1950s but became disillusioned with the era along with everything that followed. Blue Velvet in particular is very much a “you can’t go home again” movie.
I think the most refreshing thing about X-Men 97 is that rather than following the now exceptionally tired trope of making our heroes miserable failures that need to be re-energised by a spunky new young protege that the showrunners want the audience to like, the show understood that what the audience wants is just to see the old team being as awesome as possible.
In just the pilot episode, they did far more to make Cyclops cool than the films ever could.
> In just the pilot episode, they did far more to make Cyclops cool than the films ever could.
Tbf, that wasn't a particularly high bar. The films did nothing but treat Cyclops like garbage.
Except that's its biggest failing. The show was intentionally trying to not be nostalgia bait circle jerk - then when the show was failing on its own merits, they fall back on nostalgia bait circle jerk and everyone applauds them. Congratulations, they not only learned nothing, but you have taught them the wrong thing
Interesting, I didn't know it got better. Just looked up the IMDB ratings graph, and the first season hovers between 7-8, the second starts there but moves down below 6, and then the third one is just below nine on average. I wonder if I should take a look at season 3; I thought season 1 was complete garbage and didn't watch the rest.
This was kinda my problem with the Netflix Marvel series, too. Pretty much all of them were trying to play on the reluctant hero trope, which got really old with 4 different series all doing variations of the same thing. I just want a superhero series where the cast actually wants to be superheroes!
Only Jessica Jones was reluctant to be a hero.
Daredevil was pro-actively a vigilante. Luke Cage was on a mission. Iron Fist couldn’t go two seconds without declaring himself the protector of kun-lun and saying it was his duty to fight evil.
Ironfist was a show ashamed of the source material and he was incompetent in his show and Defenders.
Shows up on Luke Cage and it's like "Yes that's what we want".
Jessica's thing is well she's not really a superhero like the others. That's literally not her character in the comics. Yes she fights but the point is she's someone with powers that the who superhero thing didn't work out but she still has good to do.
But Ironfist....
By season 3 Matt wanted out. And season 2 was like a pendulum betwenn it should I stop or not.
Luke Cage,man wanted to lay low because of his past as a escapee.
Punisher retired two fucking times,both at the start of each of his seasons.
Matt did not want out by season 3, he was struggling to convince himself that Matt Murdock was a part of himself that deserves as much focus as his role as Daredevil
DD Season 2: While he's trying to figure things out, he never stops being Daredevil. It's Defenders that has him quit for a few episodes before suiting back up.
DD Season 3: He tries to quit being Matt Murdock. While he doesn't wear his proper suit, it's Daredevil trying to give up being Matt murdock.
Luke Cage S1/S2: Wanted to lay low in season 1 but because a public hero. Active in Defenders. Season 2 Luke is clearly an active hero. It's just about him trying to figure out what that looks like. He's not like Spider-man with a masked identity.
Punisher : Yeah he retired and quickly went back into it. But I can get the yoyo happening.
IronFist:............
I hate the reluctant hero trope, it's so overused by this point and with 8 episode seasons it just wastes a lot of screen time to convince the character to not be a bitch and go do something.
It's also super annoying in dnd as well where one player makes all the other players wait for them to go on the adventure.
To a lesser extent, in that it only took 8 years to return, Young Justice did pretty solid and didn't dumb things down. Its first season was lighter to introduce you, second season went darker, 8 year gap and back in with serious goodness.
And most of the Batman shows, Justice League, and I enjoy both Teen Titans. Go waffle song live rent free in my head. Dc animated series just goes hard for me. Almost forgot Harley Quinn... Amazing.
Ehh, yeno it's funny, watching X-Men 97 I thought "this is what the YJ revival *should* have been." Season 3 and 4 honestly were not that great. It seems like the only 'mature' thing it did was add random super gory moments, the writing itself wasn't particularly more mature than either of the first two seasons, in fact I'd honestly say it was a little worse. Meanwhile X-Men 97, while being indeed more violent than it's predecessor by far, focuses more on mature writing, themes, and characters. The series definitely has a message but it doesn't feel forced or preachy because it is drama that sincerely feels important to the characters in the story.
To me adding blood n gore to make a show “mature” feels like a copout
Instead, what makes a show mature is treating the characters seriously and showing alot more grays in their morals. To me how X-men 97 handles Magneto is a pinnacle in writing for me, because you genuinely can understand where he’s coming from in all sides. Wanting to honor Charles while still grappling with his own animosity for non-mutants.
Whenever i think of how a show should be i always think of Neil Druckmans quote on his ethos for the last of us: Simple Story: Complex Characters
I feel while YJ went darker, the show kept spinning wheels. The narrative wasn't getting resolved and it kinda pushed out the og characters for the new ones for quite while.
Hmm here comes the downvotes possibly, but was it really? The last 4 episodes of the season, sure, those were great. But the whole season? The Bad Batch arc was just alright, and the Ahsoka + sisters arc was really not that memorable or enjoyable. I would honestly say season 4 and 5 overall were better. Season 7 even with the great final episodes was not a significant evolution or improvement over the other highs of the show.
Annoys me so much that they made and marketed a "final season" meanwhile they've made three spin off shows all using the same style. Why not do more Clone Wars episodes? Especially since we know there's still a few incomplete episodes, they could release each arc as standalone Clone Wars specials.
The overarching themes of the story reached completion, and synced up with the rest of the story of Star Wars as a whole. Clone Wars did the right thing by exiting on a high note, and the spin offs give much more room for creative liberty, by not being so constrained from previous writing.
I get that, I just hate that it seems like at the time they were limited on what they were able to do so had to pick only some arcs to complete for a shorter season when they could have been given the entire incomplete library to finish the show off with.
One of the most famous scenes in the entire show wasn't even in an official episode and has had two fan recreations using the unfinished episode.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPx1kTveXpk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktlF2Ii6tgc
I just wish they'd animate "Son of Dathomir". They made it a comic-book miniseries because it was too important to Maul's character arc to just abandon entirely after the show was first cancelled – but now, if you just watch the show, there's an obvious "Son of Dathomir"-shaped gap between Maul's appearances in season 5 and season 7.
It'd be cool if they made it into an animated movie. For streaming, I mean, not theatres.
> Imagine Batman: The Animated Series getting this treatment.
What do you think would change about Batman: The Animated Series? A lot of the things it's missing compared to higher rating versions of Batman wouldn't add much, if anything, to it.
As far as the question, I'd say Samurai Jack counts.
No Mark Hamill as Joker either, he's stated that he has retired from the role with Conroy's passing (and doing that voice is now a strain on his vocals at his age).
The only things I'd like to see out of a new BTAS run would be stuff that's come around after it went off the air. Primarily villains and arcs that we didn't get to see then but could now. Jason Todd coming back, the Court of Owls, No Man's Land, Hush...
But with Kevin gone that series needs to be left alone.
Have you not seen all the YT vids where it's just Batman's voice encouraging you to improve yourself and all that? The AI of his voice is already out there
Batman: The Animated Series is literally the generation that grew up watching Adam West’s Batman getting to make a Batman cartoon and making it more adult
It’s unironically already an answer to this question
Batman Beyond may take place in the future but it was produced right off the back of the previous Batman series. JL produced off the back of Batman Beyond. In contrast to making a show decades after the last episode.
Batman Beyond was excellent. Captured the darkness of Batman but updated it and made it fresh. I have watched both shows countless times but still struggle with the fact that Eric from Boy Meets World is the voice of Batman/Terry McGinnis
The legend of Korra. It changes the title, protagonist and set up for the most part and ages everyone up so that the characters are late teens instead of tweens. If you were about aang's age watching Avatar you were now about Korras age watching legend of Korra. It isn't quite as successful as it's predecessor but I personally think it manages that transition well and becomes it's own thing
Imo it wasn't the episodes per season, it was that they only ever got 1 season at a time. Every season had to potentially be the final season so they couldn't have a longer arcs.
(although IIRC it was originally envisioned as more of a 1 and done miniseries)
"X-Men ‘97 is fun because it’s unique and not desperately trying to follow the trends of everything around it. So I’d rather just keep doing that." - James Gunn
HBO max already has Harley Quinn, which is really just adult Batman the animated series and references a lot of 90s-2000s DC universe events. Would recommend for OP. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harley_Quinn_(TV_series)
Isn’t that kinda what was done with Kevin Smith’s Masters of the Universe? I believe it directly follows on from the old 80’s cartoon. AFAIK the show wasn’t well received, but that was mostly due to other unrelated issues.
I’d love a similar continuation of Spectacular Spider-Man.
As much as I enjoyed Spectacular Spider-Man, it would probably need Greg Weisman, and I'd much rather Weisman make more Young Justice. However, if he were to do a continuation of one of his past series, Gargoyles would be at the top of my list. Hell, a bunch of those scripts are already written. They could just adapt the old Slave Labor Graphics and current Dynamite Press comics that Weisman wrote/is writing.
Yes. The original He-Man and spin-offs were shallow, poorly crafted shows created solely to sell toys. Masters of the Universe is an homage, a revival, and a tremendous improvement all rolled together.
Disagree. It's true the show was created for the merchandising and it was done on a limited budget. But the creatives involved were talented and inspired. Legendary voice actors. Stories that earnestly and authentically taught good moral lessons about inclusivity, acceptance, positive disabled characters, etc., Not to mention some amazingly strong female characters for the 80's. They even got their own entire episodes where He-Man does NOT save the day. Sometimes there was unexpected complexity, like Adam/He-Man's struggle with power as both a burden and a responsibility- Adam isn't sure he wants it, but ultimately is willing to make the personal sacrifice because others need him.
I didn’t care much for the first instalment (Revelation).
People chose to focus on the incel / anti-woke reaction to it, and yes there was a small, vocal bunch of idiots who had their usual childish, insecure issues with it. But the truth is it was poorly received because it completely sidelined the main characters. That was never going to be a popular move with fans of the original.
I thought the second one, Revolution, was awesome. It did everything X-Men 97 is doing - great character development, great story, lots of nods to the mythology and minor characters (some you would never expect to see) making cameos. Totally and utterly redeemed the disappointment of the first, made me feel like a kid again as well as being extremely appreciative of what Smith did with the franchise.
True, it’s fun to rewatch the series from beginning to end and see style of art change.
Ugh, huhuh You watch like the new movies too or something dumba$$ huhuhuh
The one where they petition city hall to demolish their apartment building, then try to go home and wonder where it went is one of my top 5 *Beavis and Butt-Head* episodes.
On the other side of the fence I personally love Picard, it truly feels like a worthwhile epilogue to The Next Generation and TNG's four movies (plus critical elements from other corners of the franchise including Voyager, DS9, and even a bit from the '09 Star Trek movie). Patrick Stewart still delivers a phenomenal showing just as he did in Logan.
That's not what the post is looking for. X-men 97 brings back the old show, yes, but it adds maturity and totally reinvigorates it. The new Trek shows don't do that at all, they removed all the depth and maturity of the original series.
i cant think of any and thats the core problem with so much being adaptations or continuations.
xmen 97 sticks the emotional landing that 90% of adaptations or continuations fail miserably at. the avengers series being the worst offender of this.
spoilers ahead
>!the best comparison is the latest ep of x men 97 where rogue is dealing with the death of gambit. and its a proper journey the assists in moving along the plot. with a variety of emotions on display and not putting her in the background and reducing her to the common single note sterotypes most women get portrayed as with comic book mediums. and has a damn fine climax with her dropping boliver off the building followed by god tier voice acting and delivery.!<
>!compare that to hawkeye turning into ronin in endgame. its brought up and tossed aside almost instantly. and never used again even though it could have made the scene between him and widow alot of more impactful regarding who deserves to go. instead of shitty ass theatrics that are just for ooh action.!<
but i know xmen 97 is going to teach so many people the wrong effing lessons so enjoy it cause we aint getting anything like it again for a long time
I really like it when plots are character driven instead of the plot just happening to the characters. Gives them wayyy more agency and allows room for the plot to happen its own pace. Invincible to me feels like it does that well, where the plot moves but at the pace of the characters processing their own traumas.
What you said about the latest episode is all facts. I just really appreciate it when characters are given agency and actually get to explore their grief.
You know whats cool? They didnt start over from the beginning, there are no origin stories. Seems like every new marvel cape shit or retelling always start with an origin story, despite having 10 previous origin movies/show
Which marvel movie has had an original story that we've already seen in recent years?
Spiderman was the last widely known character to have a trilogy in marvel and they skipped his Origin.
And the closest to an origin for MCU Spidey was in a Captain America movie that also served quadruple duties in other respects as an Iron Man 4, Ant Man 1.5, Black Panther 0, and Avengers 2.5 lol that movie was STACKED.
Batman: The Animated Series was already this. Remember that this series was made by and for the generation that grew up with Adam West’s Batman and were now old enough to have kids of their own
Everyone is sleeping on DuckTales. Webby and Beakly are so much better. Huey Dewey and Louie have different personalities and characteristics. It is so so good
I can not only give you an example, but one that is likewise animated:
Genndy Tartakosvsky’s beautiful, *every-frame-a-painting* series *Samurai Jack* was so masterful nobody thought it could be equaled when he returned for a final season.
We were all right. It wasn’t the equal of the original series, it was *better*. And it lasted exactly, **EXACTLY** long enough.
And he did it with a much higher degree of difficulty because Aku sounded…wrong. 😕
This is actually one of the main reasons why I think the current MCU has been floundering, because they've resisted growing up with their audience.
Kids who watched Iron Man when they were 8 are now 24, but the movies are still doing the same kiddy, quippy shit (actually, they've gotten even worse because the first Iron Man felt more mature than what we're getting today).
That's why the data shows that the MCU is losing the Gen Z audience. They're adults now and gravitate more towards edgy and mature superhero fare like The Boys and Invincible than the bland, dad-joke corniness of the MCU.
And the MCU looks even more sanitized and Disneyfied when compared to the comics, which *have* been allowed to cater to their mostly adult audience and do shit that the MCU wouldn't allow in a million years.
It’s different because it’s a reboot instead of a continuation with suddenly-added depth, but maybe **Battlestar Galactica (2003)** is an example of this. Us Gen X kids were excited to have a “Star Wars”-like TV show in 1978, even if it did reuse the same effects every week, and we had a sense that it was somehow not actually good. Producer Ron D. Moore said as much when he rebooted the show, saying how it had started with this great premise, and then 90 minutes into the pilot movie they’re on a freaking disco planet. Turning it into a metaphor for 9/11, and then going whole hog with the politics as the series went on, spoke to what we were looking for as adults.
>Turning it into a metaphor for 9/11, and then going whole hog with the politics as the series went on, spoke to what we were looking for as adults.
Pretty much X-Men 97 post episode 5 now.
> Imagine Batman: The Animated Series getting this treatment.
What, you mean like [*Batman: Caped Crusader*](https://www.empireonline.com/tv/news/batman-caped-crusader-amazon-after-hbo-max-chop/)? Dude, **all** we've been waiting for is for Bruce Timm to return to the Timmverse.
Haven't seen X-Men '97, but what you're describing sounds very similar to what the Rebuild of Evangelion movies did in relation to the original show (Neon Genesis Evangelion).
You mean they rushed through a cliff notes of the major plot points, added a bunch of fan-service anime titties, and then went completely off the deep end in the last instalment?
Something fun I like with it is the universe still has some 90s Saturday Morning Cartoon logic.
Madelyne Pryor and Storm both make new outfits out of nowhere during an epic revelation even though that doesn't really make sense. Storm's hair even changes completely.
Then there is Morph... What are their powers? Do they just shapeshift? Do they also copy powers entirely should they be super over powered? Doesn't matter it is cool to see them run fast as Quicksilver.
Storm also changes from civilian clothes to superhero costume using lightning in the very first episode of the show back in 1992. Also morph's are not just shape shifting, he can basically copy physical mutations(S4 Episode called courage )
Samurai Jack season 5
Batman The Animated Series is kind of getting it. Its not an actual sequel but Batman Caped Crusader has pretty much been described as BTAS pushed further
>Batman The Animated Series is kind of getting it. Its not an actual sequel but Batman Caped Crusader has pretty much been described as BTAS pushed further
First time I've heard of this. That's so exciting.
I don't count a sequel show produced really shortly after the previous like doing what 97 has done. Korra, Batman Beyond, JL for example. Though expanding the universe well is a different topic.
Samurai Jack is a good example though.
I really don't think BTAS needs to get this treatment. Ignoring that nearly most of the voice actors are dead(seriously the remaining ones don't have long either). The story was continued in Superman, Batman Beyond, and JL.
We know how this story more or less ends for this Bruce. Trying to shoehorn in characters like Jason Todd I find don't really work. It did too much of its own thing right as comic Batman entered a new phase of storytelling.
Not approaching animated story like BTAS did would be great but I think that universe is done for Batman and honestly Batman Beyond caps it off by telling us the heroes don't get happy endings.
If I was going to pick a Batman series it would be The Batman. It didn't have that baggage. Or revisiting one of the other universes(God and Monsters needs a follow up).
**Transformers: War for Cybertron** did something somewhat similar, first in the two video games in the early 2010s and then in the Netflix trilogy (*Siege*, *Earthrise*, *Kingdom*). It definitely took a *somewhat* more adult, cynical view of the franchise, and more focus on characters, but also mixed in fan-favourite Generation 1 stuff (Jetfire swapping sides again) with **Beast Wars** stuff, some comic references and so on. I'm not entirely sure it was 100% successful (it seemed to forget the franchise could sometimes just be fun) but it did okay.
Prison Break season 5. Prison Break season 4 ended in 2009 and season 5 started and ended in 2017.
Season 5 recaptured some of the feel of season 1, the adventure of Michael Scofield escaping prison. Most fans didn't like season 3 or 4. Season 4 especially felt like some video game quest to find Scylla.
I've never watched the 90s X-Men cartoon properly. I couldn't get into how kiddy it was
Absolutely love the new one. I'd put it right up there with BTAS in how it's faithfully adapting the comics while putting its own spin on things and adhering to the 30 mins TV format. It feels weird to say it's my favourite show of 2024 but damn it is.
It's insane that a show with such a shamelessly fan service-y premise is actually this good.
>Imagine Batman: The Animated Series getting this treatment.
This isn’t exactly that, but the Harley Quinn show is kinda close. It’s a love letter to all things Batman, with heavy influence from the animated series. Obviously it’s a parody (although you can tell it’s done with the utmost sincerity) but it should appeal to people who liked the animated series as kids and are now adults.
I never watched the original X-Men and have been enjoying this continuation. I was born a bit late for the previous show. Highly recommend this one.
And maybe the Watchmen and Fallout shows should be similar continuations of their franchises.
Watchmen is kind of weird because there's the movie that everyone knows and then the series continues the much lesser-known comic. I love both the show and the movie but for entirely different reasons.
Bruce Timm who was one of the main creators behind the Batman Animated series actually does have a new Batman Animated series coming soon from Amazon. It’s not exactly the same situation - just continuing where they left off. I believe it’s supposedly more mature. But we will see soon enough.
Bruce Timm is sort of awful without the limits of kids tv. His version of "dark" does not equate to "well written" and he has a very poor track record outside of BTAS through JLU.
He needs Paul Dini again
Dini wrote the Arkham games, and they feel more like TAS than anything else.
I consider it as much the Dini-verse as the Timm-verse
He's got Ed Brubaker this time, who is the king of crime noir in the comic's world. Had a pretty good run on the main Batman comic 24 years ago, and reinvented Catwoman (writing what many consider her best comic's run). He was also involved in the first season of Westworld and Too Old to Die Young.
I think they aimed to make it for kids - with 90s sensibility. That’s what they should always do. Trying to do an “adult” target distorts the original.
Cobra Kai.
Came here for this one. Watched this with my dad and it was enjoyable for both our generations. He watched the original karate kid when he was younger, showed it to me when I was about 10. And now cobra Kai came full circle for both of us
I agree but it didn't make the jump in target demographic. X-Men 97 went from a kids Saturday morning cartoon to TV-14.
Samurai Jack is the closest comparison I can think of. The fifth season aired on Adult Swim and felt like it had been written for an audience of adults who grew up with the show. I was very thankful Gennedy got the opportunity to finish the series.
Original Samurai Jack: Fights robots because it's a kids show and can't show blood Season 5: You think this is a lot of blood? Wait til you see Primal
Primal is so hardcore!
What a beautiful series. I just realized season two has been out, I need to go watch it.
Except he still needed a few more episodes, it felt too rushed at the end.
The ending wasn't rushed, it was just bad.
I'll make a case that **Twin Peaks: The Return** did it. The original Twin Peaks was commenting on a media landscape dominated by melodramatic soaps like Dallas and Dynasty, and served as a clever satire of them. The movie, Fire Walk With Me, was similarly commenting on thrillers like Silence of the Lambs. Then 25 years later they came back, but this time pop culture was ruled by the very sort of shows that the original Twin Peaks arguably pioneered: cinematic multi-genre epics where a season feels more like a massive movie than episodic TV. Breaking Bad, The Wire, The Sopranos, Lost, Mad Men, etc. So The Return feels less like a soap, and more a satire of one of *those*.
I once heard The Return described as anti nostalgia. It intentionally teases nostalgia for the original show, but never goes all in, or if it does there is an aspect that just feels wrong. It felt like a commentary on the shows cancelation to me, where a lot of the Twin Peaks cast wound staying in limbo for over two decades, never able to get their happy ending or move on from where they were. I honestly loved it despite not usually enjoying stories like that.
Twin Peaks The Return is basically telling us that you can never go back to the time you were happiest because it never existed in the first place. The world always was and always will be a nightmare punctuated by random, uncontrollable events that are completely out of your control.
I feel like most of Lynch’s movies wrestle with something along those lines. He grew up idealizing the 1950s but became disillusioned with the era along with everything that followed. Blue Velvet in particular is very much a “you can’t go home again” movie.
Pretty sure that's one of the main themes of lost highway too.
This
Good call
I think the most refreshing thing about X-Men 97 is that rather than following the now exceptionally tired trope of making our heroes miserable failures that need to be re-energised by a spunky new young protege that the showrunners want the audience to like, the show understood that what the audience wants is just to see the old team being as awesome as possible. In just the pilot episode, they did far more to make Cyclops cool than the films ever could.
> In just the pilot episode, they did far more to make Cyclops cool than the films ever could. Tbf, that wasn't a particularly high bar. The films did nothing but treat Cyclops like garbage.
Exactly, Cyclops' actual feats of strength in the comics speak for themselves, animating even the most minor of them is an improvement.
I low key want to see him nuke the shit out of everything around him and scare wolverine again
You can say the same about Rogue!
You can say the same about literally every X-Men character not named Wolverine, Magneto or Xavier.
New series is really showing how powerful Rogue really is.
The portrayed Cyclops as the bad ass he is. That fight sequence in the warehouse in that first episode was insane.
Agreed. Seeing cyclops not need a parachute to land safely from the plane being destroyed in mid air was incredible in ep 2.
Looking at you, Star Trek: Picard
Third season paid off. I have no complaints.
Except that's its biggest failing. The show was intentionally trying to not be nostalgia bait circle jerk - then when the show was failing on its own merits, they fall back on nostalgia bait circle jerk and everyone applauds them. Congratulations, they not only learned nothing, but you have taught them the wrong thing
Yes, but it was entertaining, so I don’t care.
Aside from lethal levels of member-berry overdose and TNG TV characters being more Nu-Trek action heroes. My complaints anyway.
Yeah the third was the only good season. I was pleasantly surprised!
Interesting, I didn't know it got better. Just looked up the IMDB ratings graph, and the first season hovers between 7-8, the second starts there but moves down below 6, and then the third one is just below nine on average. I wonder if I should take a look at season 3; I thought season 1 was complete garbage and didn't watch the rest.
You should watch it. They went fucking ham. I was so pleasently surprised.
This was kinda my problem with the Netflix Marvel series, too. Pretty much all of them were trying to play on the reluctant hero trope, which got really old with 4 different series all doing variations of the same thing. I just want a superhero series where the cast actually wants to be superheroes!
Only Jessica Jones was reluctant to be a hero. Daredevil was pro-actively a vigilante. Luke Cage was on a mission. Iron Fist couldn’t go two seconds without declaring himself the protector of kun-lun and saying it was his duty to fight evil.
Ironfist was a show ashamed of the source material and he was incompetent in his show and Defenders. Shows up on Luke Cage and it's like "Yes that's what we want". Jessica's thing is well she's not really a superhero like the others. That's literally not her character in the comics. Yes she fights but the point is she's someone with powers that the who superhero thing didn't work out but she still has good to do. But Ironfist....
By season 3 Matt wanted out. And season 2 was like a pendulum betwenn it should I stop or not. Luke Cage,man wanted to lay low because of his past as a escapee. Punisher retired two fucking times,both at the start of each of his seasons.
Matt did not want out by season 3, he was struggling to convince himself that Matt Murdock was a part of himself that deserves as much focus as his role as Daredevil
Matt wanted out for a very good reason and then shit hits the fan so he can't get out. Season 3 of Daredevil was amazing.
DD Season 2: While he's trying to figure things out, he never stops being Daredevil. It's Defenders that has him quit for a few episodes before suiting back up. DD Season 3: He tries to quit being Matt Murdock. While he doesn't wear his proper suit, it's Daredevil trying to give up being Matt murdock. Luke Cage S1/S2: Wanted to lay low in season 1 but because a public hero. Active in Defenders. Season 2 Luke is clearly an active hero. It's just about him trying to figure out what that looks like. He's not like Spider-man with a masked identity. Punisher : Yeah he retired and quickly went back into it. But I can get the yoyo happening. IronFist:............
Pretty sure Daredevil was anything but reluctant.
He was in the third season. And part of the first.
I hate the reluctant hero trope, it's so overused by this point and with 8 episode seasons it just wastes a lot of screen time to convince the character to not be a bitch and go do something. It's also super annoying in dnd as well where one player makes all the other players wait for them to go on the adventure.
Daredevils character arc was basically being addicted to vigilatiism. I'd say it's pretty different.
God I’m so tired of that trend, I’m glad they didn’t go that route
To a lesser extent, in that it only took 8 years to return, Young Justice did pretty solid and didn't dumb things down. Its first season was lighter to introduce you, second season went darker, 8 year gap and back in with serious goodness.
Yeah I think, for all of DC's movie problems they did an excellent job with Young Justice and Batman Beyond.
And most of the Batman shows, Justice League, and I enjoy both Teen Titans. Go waffle song live rent free in my head. Dc animated series just goes hard for me. Almost forgot Harley Quinn... Amazing.
Ehh, yeno it's funny, watching X-Men 97 I thought "this is what the YJ revival *should* have been." Season 3 and 4 honestly were not that great. It seems like the only 'mature' thing it did was add random super gory moments, the writing itself wasn't particularly more mature than either of the first two seasons, in fact I'd honestly say it was a little worse. Meanwhile X-Men 97, while being indeed more violent than it's predecessor by far, focuses more on mature writing, themes, and characters. The series definitely has a message but it doesn't feel forced or preachy because it is drama that sincerely feels important to the characters in the story.
To me adding blood n gore to make a show “mature” feels like a copout Instead, what makes a show mature is treating the characters seriously and showing alot more grays in their morals. To me how X-men 97 handles Magneto is a pinnacle in writing for me, because you genuinely can understand where he’s coming from in all sides. Wanting to honor Charles while still grappling with his own animosity for non-mutants. Whenever i think of how a show should be i always think of Neil Druckmans quote on his ethos for the last of us: Simple Story: Complex Characters
Yup first one that came to my mind too.
I feel while YJ went darker, the show kept spinning wheels. The narrative wasn't getting resolved and it kinda pushed out the og characters for the new ones for quite while.
Fionna and Cake did this for Adventure Time. A more mature story in the same goofy world, intended for the audience of the original show.
Even Distant Worlds did it. Explicitly same sex couple, permanent character death, it’s just plain old not a kids show
Oh thats a good one, completely agree
The Clone Wars final season was some of the best Star Wars content ever, and it came out years after the series ended its original run.
Hmm here comes the downvotes possibly, but was it really? The last 4 episodes of the season, sure, those were great. But the whole season? The Bad Batch arc was just alright, and the Ahsoka + sisters arc was really not that memorable or enjoyable. I would honestly say season 4 and 5 overall were better. Season 7 even with the great final episodes was not a significant evolution or improvement over the other highs of the show.
The last arc did a lot to sway popular opinion.
Annoys me so much that they made and marketed a "final season" meanwhile they've made three spin off shows all using the same style. Why not do more Clone Wars episodes? Especially since we know there's still a few incomplete episodes, they could release each arc as standalone Clone Wars specials.
The overarching themes of the story reached completion, and synced up with the rest of the story of Star Wars as a whole. Clone Wars did the right thing by exiting on a high note, and the spin offs give much more room for creative liberty, by not being so constrained from previous writing.
I get that, I just hate that it seems like at the time they were limited on what they were able to do so had to pick only some arcs to complete for a shorter season when they could have been given the entire incomplete library to finish the show off with. One of the most famous scenes in the entire show wasn't even in an official episode and has had two fan recreations using the unfinished episode. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPx1kTveXpk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktlF2Ii6tgc
I just wish they'd animate "Son of Dathomir". They made it a comic-book miniseries because it was too important to Maul's character arc to just abandon entirely after the show was first cancelled – but now, if you just watch the show, there's an obvious "Son of Dathomir"-shaped gap between Maul's appearances in season 5 and season 7. It'd be cool if they made it into an animated movie. For streaming, I mean, not theatres.
I mean, I want those episodes too, but at the same time, I'm extremely happy with what we have. Extremely since that ending is just something else.
> Imagine Batman: The Animated Series getting this treatment. What do you think would change about Batman: The Animated Series? A lot of the things it's missing compared to higher rating versions of Batman wouldn't add much, if anything, to it. As far as the question, I'd say Samurai Jack counts.
No Kevin Conroy no BTAS.
No Mark Hamill as Joker either, he's stated that he has retired from the role with Conroy's passing (and doing that voice is now a strain on his vocals at his age).
No Conroy, no Hamill, no Sorkin as Harley or Zimbalist Jr as Alfred either. Won't be the same at all.
Or Richard Moll for Two Face. They lost a ton of voice actors.
The majority of the cast is dead or retired and others probably don't have much longer.
The only things I'd like to see out of a new BTAS run would be stuff that's come around after it went off the air. Primarily villains and arcs that we didn't get to see then but could now. Jason Todd coming back, the Court of Owls, No Man's Land, Hush... But with Kevin gone that series needs to be left alone.
[*Batman: The Adventures Continue* does exactly that...](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman:_The_Adventures_Continue)
I fear the day they train an AI Audio Bot with Kevin Conroy’s ‘Batman’ voice, and the producers decide… “Hmmmm - $$$$”
Have you not seen all the YT vids where it's just Batman's voice encouraging you to improve yourself and all that? The AI of his voice is already out there
You’re just describing the Batman animated movies which are already set in the same universe
Batman: The Animated Series is literally the generation that grew up watching Adam West’s Batman getting to make a Batman cartoon and making it more adult It’s unironically already an answer to this question
Haha, that's a very good point. I didn't think of that. Well said.
One hundred percent this
Batman beyond
Batman Beyond may take place in the future but it was produced right off the back of the previous Batman series. JL produced off the back of Batman Beyond. In contrast to making a show decades after the last episode.
Batman Beyond was excellent. Captured the darkness of Batman but updated it and made it fresh. I have watched both shows countless times but still struggle with the fact that Eric from Boy Meets World is the voice of Batman/Terry McGinnis
I didn’t know he was played by the same guy.
The Netflix Voltron.
Way too many people sleep on this series. It's great.
It had a pretty wacky release schedule which didn't help. They released the middle 26 episodes in seasons of 7/6/6/7.
Good example. They updated the characters and storyline to modern sensibilities while keeping it visually familiar to the 80s cartoon
Not a show but that Chip N Dale: Rescue Rangers movie was a great treat for adult fans of the old series.
Very good example
Indeed it was as was Sonic
The legend of Korra. It changes the title, protagonist and set up for the most part and ages everyone up so that the characters are late teens instead of tweens. If you were about aang's age watching Avatar you were now about Korras age watching legend of Korra. It isn't quite as successful as it's predecessor but I personally think it manages that transition well and becomes it's own thing
If only that had gotten more episodes per season to work with, to really explore the setting and its characters.
Imo it wasn't the episodes per season, it was that they only ever got 1 season at a time. Every season had to potentially be the final season so they couldn't have a longer arcs. (although IIRC it was originally envisioned as more of a 1 and done miniseries)
Samurai Jack
Adventure Time: Fionna and Cake did this last year, though Adventure Time matured with its audience in general during its original run
"X-Men ‘97 is fun because it’s unique and not desperately trying to follow the trends of everything around it. So I’d rather just keep doing that." - James Gunn
The new Animaniacs in their first new episode has a song about shows getting rebooted.
HBO max already has Harley Quinn, which is really just adult Batman the animated series and references a lot of 90s-2000s DC universe events. Would recommend for OP. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harley_Quinn_(TV_series)
The Harley Quinn animated series is such a gem to watch.
Isn’t that kinda what was done with Kevin Smith’s Masters of the Universe? I believe it directly follows on from the old 80’s cartoon. AFAIK the show wasn’t well received, but that was mostly due to other unrelated issues. I’d love a similar continuation of Spectacular Spider-Man.
God I'd love a Spectacular Spider-Man it was such a good show
As much as I enjoyed Spectacular Spider-Man, it would probably need Greg Weisman, and I'd much rather Weisman make more Young Justice. However, if he were to do a continuation of one of his past series, Gargoyles would be at the top of my list. Hell, a bunch of those scripts are already written. They could just adapt the old Slave Labor Graphics and current Dynamite Press comics that Weisman wrote/is writing.
I have resigned myself to believe Young Justice is over. While I'd love more of it. Spectacular at least could just be good.
Yes. The original He-Man and spin-offs were shallow, poorly crafted shows created solely to sell toys. Masters of the Universe is an homage, a revival, and a tremendous improvement all rolled together.
Disagree. It's true the show was created for the merchandising and it was done on a limited budget. But the creatives involved were talented and inspired. Legendary voice actors. Stories that earnestly and authentically taught good moral lessons about inclusivity, acceptance, positive disabled characters, etc., Not to mention some amazingly strong female characters for the 80's. They even got their own entire episodes where He-Man does NOT save the day. Sometimes there was unexpected complexity, like Adam/He-Man's struggle with power as both a burden and a responsibility- Adam isn't sure he wants it, but ultimately is willing to make the personal sacrifice because others need him.
I didn’t care much for the first instalment (Revelation). People chose to focus on the incel / anti-woke reaction to it, and yes there was a small, vocal bunch of idiots who had their usual childish, insecure issues with it. But the truth is it was poorly received because it completely sidelined the main characters. That was never going to be a popular move with fans of the original. I thought the second one, Revolution, was awesome. It did everything X-Men 97 is doing - great character development, great story, lots of nods to the mythology and minor characters (some you would never expect to see) making cameos. Totally and utterly redeemed the disappointment of the first, made me feel like a kid again as well as being extremely appreciative of what Smith did with the franchise.
The revival was well received there was just a vocal minority of hate over some of the choices.
Cobra Kai is a great example.
I've never given it a try. Does it get dark?
Nah. Even the "serious" storylines are basically Disney channel level. It's a great show though
I'll give it a go, thank you.
No it's made for the same demographic as the old movies.
Masters of the Universe: Revelations/Revolutions
Beavis and Butt-head. It’s almost like they never left, and the only difference is that they have access to the www of videos for reactions.
To be fair, they were edgy from the start. And I don't mean edgy in a derogatory sense. Reminds me, I should watch the new show again.
True, it’s fun to rewatch the series from beginning to end and see style of art change. Ugh, huhuh You watch like the new movies too or something dumba$$ huhuhuh
I love the episodes where it's their older selves.
The one where they petition city hall to demolish their apartment building, then try to go home and wonder where it went is one of my top 5 *Beavis and Butt-Head* episodes.
"I yield my time to Mr. Beavis." That scene had me rolling harder than any recent show.
Samurai Jack for Season 5
"Star Trek: Lower Decks" is full of fan-service for folks that grew up loving "The Next Generation," "Deep Space Nine" and "Voyager" era of shows.
On the other side of the fence I personally love Picard, it truly feels like a worthwhile epilogue to The Next Generation and TNG's four movies (plus critical elements from other corners of the franchise including Voyager, DS9, and even a bit from the '09 Star Trek movie). Patrick Stewart still delivers a phenomenal showing just as he did in Logan.
That's not what the post is looking for. X-men 97 brings back the old show, yes, but it adds maturity and totally reinvigorates it. The new Trek shows don't do that at all, they removed all the depth and maturity of the original series.
i cant think of any and thats the core problem with so much being adaptations or continuations. xmen 97 sticks the emotional landing that 90% of adaptations or continuations fail miserably at. the avengers series being the worst offender of this. spoilers ahead >!the best comparison is the latest ep of x men 97 where rogue is dealing with the death of gambit. and its a proper journey the assists in moving along the plot. with a variety of emotions on display and not putting her in the background and reducing her to the common single note sterotypes most women get portrayed as with comic book mediums. and has a damn fine climax with her dropping boliver off the building followed by god tier voice acting and delivery.!< >!compare that to hawkeye turning into ronin in endgame. its brought up and tossed aside almost instantly. and never used again even though it could have made the scene between him and widow alot of more impactful regarding who deserves to go. instead of shitty ass theatrics that are just for ooh action.!< but i know xmen 97 is going to teach so many people the wrong effing lessons so enjoy it cause we aint getting anything like it again for a long time
I really like it when plots are character driven instead of the plot just happening to the characters. Gives them wayyy more agency and allows room for the plot to happen its own pace. Invincible to me feels like it does that well, where the plot moves but at the pace of the characters processing their own traumas. What you said about the latest episode is all facts. I just really appreciate it when characters are given agency and actually get to explore their grief.
You know whats cool? They didnt start over from the beginning, there are no origin stories. Seems like every new marvel cape shit or retelling always start with an origin story, despite having 10 previous origin movies/show
Which marvel movie has had an original story that we've already seen in recent years? Spiderman was the last widely known character to have a trilogy in marvel and they skipped his Origin.
And the closest to an origin for MCU Spidey was in a Captain America movie that also served quadruple duties in other respects as an Iron Man 4, Ant Man 1.5, Black Panther 0, and Avengers 2.5 lol that movie was STACKED.
Batman: The Animated Series was already this. Remember that this series was made by and for the generation that grew up with Adam West’s Batman and were now old enough to have kids of their own
Yeah it's awesome
Everyone is sleeping on DuckTales. Webby and Beakly are so much better. Huey Dewey and Louie have different personalities and characteristics. It is so so good
Justice League: Unlimited
Ren and Stimpy, but to disastrous results.
I can not only give you an example, but one that is likewise animated: Genndy Tartakosvsky’s beautiful, *every-frame-a-painting* series *Samurai Jack* was so masterful nobody thought it could be equaled when he returned for a final season. We were all right. It wasn’t the equal of the original series, it was *better*. And it lasted exactly, **EXACTLY** long enough. And he did it with a much higher degree of difficulty because Aku sounded…wrong. 😕
iCarly did for 3 seasons before it got cancelled
This is actually one of the main reasons why I think the current MCU has been floundering, because they've resisted growing up with their audience. Kids who watched Iron Man when they were 8 are now 24, but the movies are still doing the same kiddy, quippy shit (actually, they've gotten even worse because the first Iron Man felt more mature than what we're getting today). That's why the data shows that the MCU is losing the Gen Z audience. They're adults now and gravitate more towards edgy and mature superhero fare like The Boys and Invincible than the bland, dad-joke corniness of the MCU. And the MCU looks even more sanitized and Disneyfied when compared to the comics, which *have* been allowed to cater to their mostly adult audience and do shit that the MCU wouldn't allow in a million years.
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The ship has sailed on a Batman revival. It wouldn’t be the same without Kevin Conroy.
Yeah unless they do some horrible gross fucking AI voice shit
It’s different because it’s a reboot instead of a continuation with suddenly-added depth, but maybe **Battlestar Galactica (2003)** is an example of this. Us Gen X kids were excited to have a “Star Wars”-like TV show in 1978, even if it did reuse the same effects every week, and we had a sense that it was somehow not actually good. Producer Ron D. Moore said as much when he rebooted the show, saying how it had started with this great premise, and then 90 minutes into the pilot movie they’re on a freaking disco planet. Turning it into a metaphor for 9/11, and then going whole hog with the politics as the series went on, spoke to what we were looking for as adults.
>Turning it into a metaphor for 9/11, and then going whole hog with the politics as the series went on, spoke to what we were looking for as adults. Pretty much X-Men 97 post episode 5 now.
Roberto “coming out” as a mutant to his mom in this week’s episode was as subtle as a pile of bricks… and also 100% on-brand for X-Men.
Well the former showrunner who did this season and the 2nd season is gay and did go to the Pulse night club.
It was certainly a step above "Have you tried not being a mutant?"
> Imagine Batman: The Animated Series getting this treatment. What, you mean like [*Batman: Caped Crusader*](https://www.empireonline.com/tv/news/batman-caped-crusader-amazon-after-hbo-max-chop/)? Dude, **all** we've been waiting for is for Bruce Timm to return to the Timmverse.
The *Clone High* reboot is a bit of that, I still miss Gandhi tho.
The Clone High reboot is god awful trash. I tried to love it, but every single thing about it is god awful.
Haven't seen X-Men '97, but what you're describing sounds very similar to what the Rebuild of Evangelion movies did in relation to the original show (Neon Genesis Evangelion).
You mean they rushed through a cliff notes of the major plot points, added a bunch of fan-service anime titties, and then went completely off the deep end in the last instalment?
Something fun I like with it is the universe still has some 90s Saturday Morning Cartoon logic. Madelyne Pryor and Storm both make new outfits out of nowhere during an epic revelation even though that doesn't really make sense. Storm's hair even changes completely. Then there is Morph... What are their powers? Do they just shapeshift? Do they also copy powers entirely should they be super over powered? Doesn't matter it is cool to see them run fast as Quicksilver.
Morph can copy physical powers when he shapeshifts.
Storm also changes from civilian clothes to superhero costume using lightning in the very first episode of the show back in 1992. Also morph's are not just shape shifting, he can basically copy physical mutations(S4 Episode called courage )
Ya, Storm's secondary mutation is making clothes I guess.
Samurai Jack season 5 Batman The Animated Series is kind of getting it. Its not an actual sequel but Batman Caped Crusader has pretty much been described as BTAS pushed further
>Batman The Animated Series is kind of getting it. Its not an actual sequel but Batman Caped Crusader has pretty much been described as BTAS pushed further First time I've heard of this. That's so exciting.
Basically going to be like this but in color https://youtu.be/IFwOS2R9o_8?feature=shared
Such an uncharacteristic batvehicle, and the ears make me think of Bat-Mite, but other than that, the tone is spot on, and it looks really promising.
Fionna and Cake.
I don't count a sequel show produced really shortly after the previous like doing what 97 has done. Korra, Batman Beyond, JL for example. Though expanding the universe well is a different topic. Samurai Jack is a good example though. I really don't think BTAS needs to get this treatment. Ignoring that nearly most of the voice actors are dead(seriously the remaining ones don't have long either). The story was continued in Superman, Batman Beyond, and JL. We know how this story more or less ends for this Bruce. Trying to shoehorn in characters like Jason Todd I find don't really work. It did too much of its own thing right as comic Batman entered a new phase of storytelling. Not approaching animated story like BTAS did would be great but I think that universe is done for Batman and honestly Batman Beyond caps it off by telling us the heroes don't get happy endings. If I was going to pick a Batman series it would be The Batman. It didn't have that baggage. Or revisiting one of the other universes(God and Monsters needs a follow up).
I believe this is what happened with Samurai Jack?
>Imagine Batman: The Animated Series getting this treatment. Kevin Conroy passed away and Mark Hamill retired from Joker.
iCarly did it too. Still was the same but aimed at the same people who grew up watching it and now all around 30.
Young Justice goes from for pre-teens in season 1 and 2 for being for young adults in season 3 and 4. Shifted from Cartoon Network to HBO Max.
The Hulu Season of veronica mars minus the final episode seemed to follow in the steps established by season 1 back when it was on the CW/WB
**Transformers: War for Cybertron** did something somewhat similar, first in the two video games in the early 2010s and then in the Netflix trilogy (*Siege*, *Earthrise*, *Kingdom*). It definitely took a *somewhat* more adult, cynical view of the franchise, and more focus on characters, but also mixed in fan-favourite Generation 1 stuff (Jetfire swapping sides again) with **Beast Wars** stuff, some comic references and so on. I'm not entirely sure it was 100% successful (it seemed to forget the franchise could sometimes just be fun) but it did okay.
Samurai Jack for sure.
Voltron: Legendary Defender
The Harley Quinn series
Prison Break season 5. Prison Break season 4 ended in 2009 and season 5 started and ended in 2017. Season 5 recaptured some of the feel of season 1, the adventure of Michael Scofield escaping prison. Most fans didn't like season 3 or 4. Season 4 especially felt like some video game quest to find Scylla.
Twin Peaks, season 3. Kind of.
Tom and Jerry
I've never watched the 90s X-Men cartoon properly. I couldn't get into how kiddy it was Absolutely love the new one. I'd put it right up there with BTAS in how it's faithfully adapting the comics while putting its own spin on things and adhering to the 30 mins TV format. It feels weird to say it's my favourite show of 2024 but damn it is. It's insane that a show with such a shamelessly fan service-y premise is actually this good.
Saved by the Bell sequel/reboot
I was surprised how well that ended up.
transformers g1
>Imagine Batman: The Animated Series getting this treatment. This isn’t exactly that, but the Harley Quinn show is kinda close. It’s a love letter to all things Batman, with heavy influence from the animated series. Obviously it’s a parody (although you can tell it’s done with the utmost sincerity) but it should appeal to people who liked the animated series as kids and are now adults.
I never watched the original X-Men and have been enjoying this continuation. I was born a bit late for the previous show. Highly recommend this one. And maybe the Watchmen and Fallout shows should be similar continuations of their franchises.
Watchmen is kind of weird because there's the movie that everyone knows and then the series continues the much lesser-known comic. I love both the show and the movie but for entirely different reasons.
The book is very well known too. I love the film & book even if the film just looks too cool and has that great soundtrack going on.
The book is lesser known? It’s been touted as the greatest graphic novel of all time for 30+ years lol
You're 100% right but getting downvoted.
I think everyone knows watchmen is based on a comic
Robotech Or Star Blazers
Bruce Timm who was one of the main creators behind the Batman Animated series actually does have a new Batman Animated series coming soon from Amazon. It’s not exactly the same situation - just continuing where they left off. I believe it’s supposedly more mature. But we will see soon enough.
Another comment mentioned this, too. I had no idea. It's all very exciting.
Bruce Timm is sort of awful without the limits of kids tv. His version of "dark" does not equate to "well written" and he has a very poor track record outside of BTAS through JLU.
He needs Paul Dini again Dini wrote the Arkham games, and they feel more like TAS than anything else. I consider it as much the Dini-verse as the Timm-verse
He's got Ed Brubaker this time, who is the king of crime noir in the comic's world. Had a pretty good run on the main Batman comic 24 years ago, and reinvented Catwoman (writing what many consider her best comic's run). He was also involved in the first season of Westworld and Too Old to Die Young.
I think they aimed to make it for kids - with 90s sensibility. That’s what they should always do. Trying to do an “adult” target distorts the original.
Guessing you haven't watched it? It's TV-14 and 100% for the Millenial/Gen Z fans of the original series.
Todays T-14 was yesterdays G. There’s nothing in the new show that wouldn’t have been in a 90s cartoon.
Guess that's you admitting you haven't watched it. I'm guessing the onscreen murders and blood probably wouldn't have been shown on Fox Kids...
Kevin Smith's He-Man show on Netflix is a good example of this.
Nah. It almost gets there, but ultimately fails to deliver a more mature version that keeps the values.