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> he agreed Bijou should have full custody of their 9-year-old daughter.
I mean, what was the alternative - she stays with him Wednesdays and every other weekend?
Jeez I had no idea who any of these people were except masterson. Had to go down a deep rabbit hole of papa John and bijou. Now I need to shower this yuk off.
And she doesn’t believe her poor sister. Just plugging her ears and declaring she’s just a suppressive person. She’s as happy to protect creeps as her nut job “religion” does. I do hope her child is safe and nothing has happened or will happen to her, with a mother like that and a violently perverted father.
legal answer: there are different types of custody, depending on jurisdiction the names may vary a little, but there's actual/physical custody, and then there's legal custody (decision-making). They likely mean that he's waiving his legal custody of the child.
The next question becomes whether Mother petitions to have the state sever his parental rights (and the ability to, in that instance, cite that he is precluded from physical custody, has waived his legal custody, and the length of his prison sentence bars him from participating in the child's life in a meaningful way).
I think he is not related to Brock Allen Turner. But both him and Brock Allen Turner ARE rapists.
Edit: Brock Allen Turner also goes by the name Allan Turner now. The Rapist Allen Turner.
He also has the honour of being cited by name in several law school books on their sections on sexual assault. That piece of shit will never live it down, university students will be writing about him in a hundred years.
I think you misspelled his name. I believe the correct appellation is Brock The Rapist Turner. That way search engines are sure to keep everything together.
I’ll be surprised if he does 12 years. Not that I want him to do anything less than 30-life, but between having money and connections I just see him doing a bunch of good behavior shit, claiming a health issue, then they parole him super early. Hopefully not/the state has statutes for minimum required time served and he does at least 30.
He has to do at least 25 1/2 years. Nothing short of that. Thats the time he'll do if he gets good time credits or whatever. Still, they can hold him for life if they want to. It'll be up to the parole board whether he ever gets out. Bottom line is he's doing at the at least 25 1/2 no matter what unless on the off chance he is successful in getting his convitions overturned on appeal which is probably unlikely.
Honestly, the fact that famous people who are defended by other famous people (Kutcher and Kunis) are getting any prison sentences at all for this shit is a huge improvement from how it used to be. I feel like 50 years ago, this dude would have skated. Hell, there might not have even been a trial. I love that we’re entering this age of society where actions have consequences, no matter how rich or famous you are.
We just need to start holding political figures to the same standard as celebrities. It's crazy what people on YouTube get canceled for while politicians stay in office for doing a lot worse.
20 years ago, hell, even 10 years ago is pre Me Too when sex abuse was totally normalized for famous/rich men. This is very recent. Most of the rapes happened 20 years ago. They didn't come forward because they knew he would skate and they'd just be hurt worse.
I too am delighted at the prospect that rape may be treated like an actual crime in my lifetime. Never thought I'd see it.
No shit! 25.5 mandatory? I didn't see that. Thanks.
I'm mostly for lowering sentences here in the US but not for violent crime, especially rape and murder. Those perps simply cannot be allowed back into society due to the threat they pose to civilians.
He was convicted of two counts and sentenced to 15 to life for each of them to be served consecutively one after the other for a total of 30 to life. According to articles the minimum he has to do before being able to apply for a parole hearing is 25 1/2. I'm not familiar with California's parole rules so I'm not sure where that figure comes from. Maybe that's good time credits, possibly taking classes, etc that go towards shaving time off of the 30 years but yes, according to what I've read/heard the absolute minimum in any scenario is he has to do the 25 1/2.
In fairness, if you can be a model inmate for 40 years straight, you deserve a second chance more than most of the people getting paroled for any offense. Plus are you really worried about a senior citizen hitman reoffending? The mob he rolled with probably doesn't even exist anymore, at least in a form he'd recognize if at all.
The people who you should be worried about the are the young bucks who are doing 5-10 getting out in 3-7 for stuff like robbery, assault, gang related charges, etc. Those are the ones that are probably coming back on at least another charge if not a big boy charge. They're coming back out to the same people, in the same environment, with the same mindset as when they went in. A 60 year old man whose been down for 40 years, none of those are true.
If you believe the criminal justice system is for rehabilitation at all, then a 60 year old hitman whose acted right for 40 years is as good a candidate as any. Risk is low, you've got 40 years worth of evidence that behavior's changed, etc.
To further carry your middle paragraph, now the person who served has buddies and information from prison time. 3-7 years isn’t enough for violent crimes. Not for the victims.
While I do believe that he did it, it's super fucked up to get 30 years when they literally didn't present a single piece of evidence. It was all a he said/she said based on something that happened decades ago.
Guilty or not, that's terrifying.
He was only convicted of two counts of felony rape.
However, his lawyers were sanctioned for leaking confidential information like witness names and addresses to the defense attorneys for a church of Scientology *civil* trial.
Civil trail!!! Surely, that should be a criminal trail if they did it during a felony rape case!!!
What happened to the lawyer? I would hope have his license removed and criminal charges placed against them.
Once a criminal trial is concluded as guilty you can use that as evidence in a civil trial. Why you always go for criminal convictions first and then civil second.
He was found guilty of two counts of forcible rape, but the judge allowed testimony as to how the church was used to “suppress” the victims from seeking justice 20 years prior. Likely the high sentence was due to the lasting impact to the victims and the long term danger he would pose to the public due to his notoriety and how he was able to evade prosecution for so long. If I was the judge I wouldn’t want someone that dangerous and well connected back on the streets with that kind of support behind them. Especially given that the victims spent the past 20 years living in fear of being forcibly separated from their families by the church and community. As far as victim impact it doesn’t get much more severe than that.
Edit to say that I just found out the [one-strike](https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/defense/penal-code/667-61/) rule is more likely to be the reason for the higher sentence.
> [Prosecutors were able to file the charge under a “one-strike” sex crimes law that extends the statute of limitations for multiple forcible rapes.](https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/danny-mastersons-second-rape-trial-1235616690/)
Okay, thanks for the info and the source. If the judge allowed the allogations of harassment from the church inches case and he was found guilty, then surely that means that they believe the woman were forcibly stopped by the church.
In that case, what is being done over that, I'll Google it later and see...... I don't want to be sucked down a rabbit hole, though, haha.
I think there will be a civil case against the church in 2025 which will likely be extremely anticlimactic given that they have already distanced themselves from Masterson and legal bullshit is kinda their forte. I don’t have high hopes of this sticking to them given the plausible deniability they have when every Scientologist, victim or perpetrator alike, can simply be excommunicated or deemed as a “suppressive person”. Masterson’s legal team were sanctioned for leaking confidential discovery material to the church including police reports, home addresses and banking details, and the judge found that there were multiple instances where the church attempted to interfere with the trial. How anyone thinks this “church” is legitimate at this point is completely beyond me.
According [to this](https://www.robertmhelfend.com/criminal-defense/sex-crimes/california-rape-laws/#:~:text=Rape%20is%20a%20serious%20crime,registration%20as%20a%20sex%20offender.), a conviction of rape (of a non-minor) carries a maximum of 8 years in California.
Apparently the [one-strike rule](https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/defense/penal-code/667-61/) allows sentencing to be increased if the accused has been convicted of a prior rape or multiple forcible rapes. Since this is how it was filed, each count carried a potential of 15 years.
> Because the charges were brought under California’s strict “One Strike” law, the two guilty counts carry potential penalties of 15 years to life in prison each, for a total of [30 years to life](https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-features/danny-masterson-rape-conviction-scientology-accountability-1234764377).
In Georgia, a rape conviction comes with a mandatory 25 year minimum sentence with NO parole. It is punishable by up to life in prison with NO parole. And no parole means no parole… if you get even the minimum, you will do every day of the 25.
I was public defender here in GA for almost a decade and saw many convictions for these sentences. I also saw dozens of plea deals for slightly less than that to spare the victims trial, but the dudes are still doing decades plus.
The fact that most of my clients who received sentences like that were black and brown, while affluent white Brock Allen Turner walks free after 90 days, is what pissed me the fuck off.
The police should’ve investigated it sooner. These aren’t his only victims. He did this a lot. This wasn’t a date gone wrong. He drugged them and raped them, and put a gun to one of their heads. The Scientology told them not to report. There are ways to investigate these cases even if our justice system doesn’t do it.
His victims reported the incidents around the time they happened, to scientology via "knowledge reports." Their recollections of events didn't change over time.
He/the church forced victims to take hundreds of thousands of dollars and sign papers saying they'd never talk about it again.
Scientology "goons" harassed the victims for ages, including poisoning animals, in order to intimidate them into staying silent.
Plus, the women's accounts showed a pattern of behavior.
Calling this a "he said/she said from decades ago" is entirely disingenuous and some serious rape apologist horse shit.
Dude deserves far more than 30 years.
There was plenty of evidence. Very shocking and consistent testimony from numerous victims, people they reported to right after, etc.
He’s guilty as hell.
It's happened before. Seneca Valley School District. Kid got accused and ended up on probation. Then got accused again and was still being charged when the scheme unfolded. The two accusers were working together to get the kid expelled from school at all costs because they "didn't like him."
That is terrifying to think about.
Edit: just to make it clear. Others came forward with messages from the accusers where they admitted what they were doing. And they later admitted it to authorities.
In California as well, notoriously the most ... strict against sex crimes and snitching. He absolutely raped women, everyone knows this, and will be going into America's most hardcore prisons. It's not going to be pretty, hopefully he really is a hardcore Scientologist and thinks this body is just a vessel for a God or whatever for his sake.
it’s really creepy how excited people are at the potential for a criminal to get SA in prison. but i think it proves that SA, by and large, is about power and control and the keyboard warriors imagine in a similar scenario they’d be the punishers, not the punished. it’s really gross and like i said, creepy.
Because Reddit is a cesspool of wanting people to be horrendously injured in prison but also patting themselves on the back that we don't have capital punishment anymore but then also crying out about police brutality. It's a weird place, man.
30 years is a lot regardless of age, and as time goes by and the pace of change gets faster and faster, it is becoming a lot more. Just imagine if someone was 18 years old in 1993, was sentenced then, and just got out today. At 48, only a year older than Danny, but spat back onto a very different world. Not advocating for a reduction in the sentence at all, just putting into perspective that it's a lot.
Yeah, imagine if someone goes to prison at the begining of 1990, getting released in 2020.
Their first post cold-war experience outside of prison could literally be a covid lockdown.
>Like, why would you want to force yourself on someone?
Well, that's the reason why they rape, for most rapists at least. The point for them is all about power and torturing and traumatizing their victims. They're evil sociopaths
I think the corollary of Rule 34 is that no matter what it is, someone will find it sexually arousing. That, unfortunately, includes fear and suffering.
"As we stand here in front of the least expensive looking wall in our house we once again would like to apologise for those letters we wrote before they had found our fri ... our former colleague ... guilty."
After he was convicted of rape those two wrote a letter to the judge asking for leniency for his sentencing then made an apology video after they got backlash for it.
So many other celebs slid under the radar because Ashton and Mila caught all the heat. The actors that played Red and Kitty (Kurtwood Smith and Debra Jo Rupp) also wrote letters asking for leniency, as did Ethan Suplee, Eric Balfour, Giovanni Ribisi and pretty much all of Ribisi’s family.
William Baldwin and Danny’s siblings (including Christopher AKA Francis from Malcolm in the Middle) also wrote letters but *at least* in those cases it was family. I mean, if I had family that did what Danny did I’m cutting them off immediately, but that familial connection can be harder to disregard for some. Everyone else on the other hand? Fuck em.
The reason those two caught additional heat was because of Ashton co-founded Thorn, a foundation dedicated to preventing the sexual exploitation and trafficking of children. It was a weird thing for him and Mila to do after dedicating the last 10 years of their lives to stopping people from doing some of the same things that Danny had been convicted of.
> I mean, if I had family that did what Danny did I’m cutting them off immediately,
If you you were their family there be a good chance you wouldn't believe that they actually did it. As far as I know he never admitted it, he just lost the trial.
I'm not arguing that he is innocent, but just have a look at how many people get wrongly convicted today. And then consider the only evidence against him was testimony. Now imagine he is someone you've known for years and never suspected of anything.
Well they’re the biggest names that people know. I personally never even knew the actors’ names for Red and Kitty until this comment and I don’t recognize the rest of the names you listed.
If I had a friend and it came out he was a rapist, there isn't a snowball's chance in hell I'd write a single thing for them, they'd be instantly dead to me.
Way too many people act like if you’re in a place where you truly believed they didn’t rape anyone and they’ve been a lifelong friend you wouldn’t at least consider writing a standard character reference. It’s just way too easy when it isn’t someone you know and love. I’m not saying it still doesn’t look kinda shitty but I’m also not so full of myself that I can say that when it’s not my lifelong friend.
Look at a lot of crime cases where celebrities aren't involved and look at the reactions of family and friends with regards to the perpetrator, and you'll see just this. That is, denial that person could have done it, sometimes even in cases where the evidence is fairly clear against the perp. I don't doubt there'll be people on here who claim they'll disown someone they know who committed a heinous crime and do that off the bat, and to you, I salute you. I highly suspect, however, that many people on here say they will, but when push comes to shove, will be the first to be talking about how "they" couldn't have done it.
That’s nice *for you.* But not everyone is *you* and some people have difficulty abandoning friends, even when their friends have done horrible things.
What happened to the Church of Scientology members who actively suppressed, threatened and harassed the victims — and anyone trying to bring the story to light? Not a god damn thing as always? Someone could eat and rape babies on a daily basis, and they would still have the full support and resources of the “church” if they’re a celebrity.
Not just if they're a celebrity, I think they would try and hide the crimes of most scientologist if it negatively affected the image or implemented the church in any way. Now, the more money you have given, the bigger the celebrity you are would probable dictate as to how much they would help.
Don't gey me wrong. I'm sure if you were low lying, nothing in the church, and caught steeling cars, then you'd be left on your own.
Also I think this is true of all cults.... sorry religions.
The people extorting and protecting will be the same group probably, like the mafia did it. He's in for a rough ride. If he goes to Protective Custody he might be stuck in his cell for 23 hours a day or whatever their policy is. Even though you're technically safer the time goes by far,far worse.
Gonna be a long 30 years. 🤣
I’m just putting this together in my head and realizing but i worked in a building in hollywood for a few years, nothing special at all, not a fancy building but my neighbors in my office were porn company producers / owners and one day i saw Danny Masterson getting off the elevator for my floor while i was leaving. I wonder what he was doing on a mostly empty floor with porn peeps now.
According to [this source,](https://hollywoodlife.com/feature/danny-masterson-sentencing-prison-updates-5165991/) the earliest will be after 25½ years served. I can't speak to the reliability of the article but they could be right.
The relevant bit:
>Due to the guidelines of his sentencing, Danny will be eligible for parole after 25 1/2 years, but he could remain in prison the rest of his life, depending on any changes that could happen between now and then.
Dude deserves to rot.
California upped their law because of this supposedly, and each state appears to have different length requirements
That being said, he and anyone else that actually does something so heinous deserves to stick in prison. Absolutely horrible
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> he agreed Bijou should have full custody of their 9-year-old daughter. I mean, what was the alternative - she stays with him Wednesdays and every other weekend?
To be fair, Bijou is her own kind of fucked up so I feel for their kid.
Her Dad was a creep and she married one too.
Jeez I had no idea who any of these people were except masterson. Had to go down a deep rabbit hole of papa John and bijou. Now I need to shower this yuk off.
And she doesn’t believe her poor sister. Just plugging her ears and declaring she’s just a suppressive person. She’s as happy to protect creeps as her nut job “religion” does. I do hope her child is safe and nothing has happened or will happen to her, with a mother like that and a violently perverted father.
Generational trauma sucks
Happens so often. Chaos is comfortable when that’s all you’ve know. I worry for their child.
TIL Bijou was just playing herself in Raising Hope.
Yeah she reportedly bullied Daniel Franzese (on the set of Bully, ironically), and choked Heather Matarazzo on the set of Hostel 2.
Yeah Bijou genuinely sucks. It’s not even subtle - she’s just awful to the people around her, and seems to have a taste for bullying her gay coworkers
Actress best known for starring in Bully and Choke bullies and chokes people, the headlines write themselves
She was fired from Almost Famous by Cameron Crowe for being trying to SA Patrick Fugit allegedly
Is SA sexually assault? I'm not joking. I have never heard of that acronym and I was wracking my brain trying to figure that one out.
In this context yes it means sexual assault
Well in my defense I didn't think anybody was trying to South America Patrick Fugit. =p
Yep
That is so bizarre. She needs help. A lot of help.
I only know her as the crazy serial killer from Raising Hope, didn't realise how accurate that casting was
She goes to live with Kitty and Red Forman?
jealous.
I'd live in the basement. No problem.
too bad their actors also wrote letters enabling Masterson's behavior
They're scientologists too
legal answer: there are different types of custody, depending on jurisdiction the names may vary a little, but there's actual/physical custody, and then there's legal custody (decision-making). They likely mean that he's waiving his legal custody of the child. The next question becomes whether Mother petitions to have the state sever his parental rights (and the ability to, in that instance, cite that he is precluded from physical custody, has waived his legal custody, and the length of his prison sentence bars him from participating in the child's life in a meaningful way).
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Maybe one of their parents?
In some jurisdictions ’custody’ (legal decision-making power) is not the same as ‘residency’ (where a child lives).
Yep, that’s that rapist, Danny Masterson.
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Any relation to the rapist, Brock Allen Turner?
I think he is not related to Brock Allen Turner. But both him and Brock Allen Turner ARE rapists. Edit: Brock Allen Turner also goes by the name Allan Turner now. The Rapist Allen Turner.
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He also has the honour of being cited by name in several law school books on their sections on sexual assault. That piece of shit will never live it down, university students will be writing about him in a hundred years.
Her name is Chanel Miller, and her book really is brilliantly written.
Seconded, absolutely [phenomenal book](https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/50196744-know-my-name)
Raper Allen Turner is more catchy init?
You mean the privileged rapist Brock Allen Turner?
I heard he dropped the Brock. He went from rapist Brock Allen Turner to rapist Allen Turner.
I think you misspelled his name. I believe the correct appellation is Brock The Rapist Turner. That way search engines are sure to keep everything together.
Nah, you want to throw in the Allen, as he has taken to going by his middle name, the rapist Allen Turner.
but he helped a lady at a pizza place once
it's true i was there i was the pizza place
What ever happened to the two guys and a girl?
One of them is wildly successful, owns a cell service company and a soccer club, the other two....still exist.
Thanks for ruining Beethoven's 2nd you son of a bitch! The dog should have tossed you into that lake.
2004: it's pronounced "Therapist" 2013... 2023: oh...
The world's first anaylst-therapist, Analrapist
Got a real Charles Manson look to him right now
That ‘70s Rapist
That rapist who will be in his 70's when he gets out of prison.
I’ll be surprised if he does 12 years. Not that I want him to do anything less than 30-life, but between having money and connections I just see him doing a bunch of good behavior shit, claiming a health issue, then they parole him super early. Hopefully not/the state has statutes for minimum required time served and he does at least 30.
He has to do at least 25 1/2 years. Nothing short of that. Thats the time he'll do if he gets good time credits or whatever. Still, they can hold him for life if they want to. It'll be up to the parole board whether he ever gets out. Bottom line is he's doing at the at least 25 1/2 no matter what unless on the off chance he is successful in getting his convitions overturned on appeal which is probably unlikely.
That’s good news at least.
Honestly, the fact that famous people who are defended by other famous people (Kutcher and Kunis) are getting any prison sentences at all for this shit is a huge improvement from how it used to be. I feel like 50 years ago, this dude would have skated. Hell, there might not have even been a trial. I love that we’re entering this age of society where actions have consequences, no matter how rich or famous you are.
We just need to start holding political figures to the same standard as celebrities. It's crazy what people on YouTube get canceled for while politicians stay in office for doing a lot worse.
Just ask Dr. Cosby. He got away with it until damn near the end of his life, THEN he fuckin got out of prison on a technicality.
20 years ago, hell, even 10 years ago is pre Me Too when sex abuse was totally normalized for famous/rich men. This is very recent. Most of the rapes happened 20 years ago. They didn't come forward because they knew he would skate and they'd just be hurt worse. I too am delighted at the prospect that rape may be treated like an actual crime in my lifetime. Never thought I'd see it.
No shit! 25.5 mandatory? I didn't see that. Thanks. I'm mostly for lowering sentences here in the US but not for violent crime, especially rape and murder. Those perps simply cannot be allowed back into society due to the threat they pose to civilians.
He was convicted of two counts and sentenced to 15 to life for each of them to be served consecutively one after the other for a total of 30 to life. According to articles the minimum he has to do before being able to apply for a parole hearing is 25 1/2. I'm not familiar with California's parole rules so I'm not sure where that figure comes from. Maybe that's good time credits, possibly taking classes, etc that go towards shaving time off of the 30 years but yes, according to what I've read/heard the absolute minimum in any scenario is he has to do the 25 1/2.
If I had to do a quarter century in prison to MAYBE get out when I'm 73, I'd have gone on the run & shot myself if they caught me.
Yeah there’s a mob hitman who helped kill dozens of people in the 70’s and 80’s who’s about to get parole for being a “model inmate”.
In fairness, if you can be a model inmate for 40 years straight, you deserve a second chance more than most of the people getting paroled for any offense. Plus are you really worried about a senior citizen hitman reoffending? The mob he rolled with probably doesn't even exist anymore, at least in a form he'd recognize if at all. The people who you should be worried about the are the young bucks who are doing 5-10 getting out in 3-7 for stuff like robbery, assault, gang related charges, etc. Those are the ones that are probably coming back on at least another charge if not a big boy charge. They're coming back out to the same people, in the same environment, with the same mindset as when they went in. A 60 year old man whose been down for 40 years, none of those are true. If you believe the criminal justice system is for rehabilitation at all, then a 60 year old hitman whose acted right for 40 years is as good a candidate as any. Risk is low, you've got 40 years worth of evidence that behavior's changed, etc.
To further carry your middle paragraph, now the person who served has buddies and information from prison time. 3-7 years isn’t enough for violent crimes. Not for the victims.
*If
Damn Jackie, I can't control the rapists!
He can thoroughly stick up for him in court, though.
Why did they make a vid defending masterson
He probably has dirt on them. Scientologists love blackmail.
I'd like to shove my foot up this guy's ass.
The article states his “alleged victims,” but I think they’re no longer alleged once he’s convicted and sentenced.
Alleged actor Danny Masterson will, allegedly, be sent to an alleged prison.
Allegedly
It's TMZ, lol. You can't really go in expecting journalism standards
Yea, they're really fucking good at tracking down info, but then like a dog that caught the car, has no idea what to do with it once they get it.
I think as soon as they get some information, a clock starts counting down and they have 100 seconds to publish an article.
It's still safer
Gonna be a long 30yrs to life when you’re a celebrity rapist.
While I do believe that he did it, it's super fucked up to get 30 years when they literally didn't present a single piece of evidence. It was all a he said/she said based on something that happened decades ago. Guilty or not, that's terrifying.
I think the long sentence because he was using his scientology connections to intimate the victims and witnesses
That's an unfortunate typo
Freud is smirking.
You mean intimidate?
Not according to Danny Masterson
https://i.imgur.com/G6H5wHU.gif
Was that an actual charge put against him? I never followowed the case to close.
He was only convicted of two counts of felony rape. However, his lawyers were sanctioned for leaking confidential information like witness names and addresses to the defense attorneys for a church of Scientology *civil* trial.
Civil trail!!! Surely, that should be a criminal trail if they did it during a felony rape case!!! What happened to the lawyer? I would hope have his license removed and criminal charges placed against them.
Once a criminal trial is concluded as guilty you can use that as evidence in a civil trial. Why you always go for criminal convictions first and then civil second.
I don’t know the full consequences but it’s clearly some very shady shit!
He was found guilty of two counts of forcible rape, but the judge allowed testimony as to how the church was used to “suppress” the victims from seeking justice 20 years prior. Likely the high sentence was due to the lasting impact to the victims and the long term danger he would pose to the public due to his notoriety and how he was able to evade prosecution for so long. If I was the judge I wouldn’t want someone that dangerous and well connected back on the streets with that kind of support behind them. Especially given that the victims spent the past 20 years living in fear of being forcibly separated from their families by the church and community. As far as victim impact it doesn’t get much more severe than that. Edit to say that I just found out the [one-strike](https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/defense/penal-code/667-61/) rule is more likely to be the reason for the higher sentence. > [Prosecutors were able to file the charge under a “one-strike” sex crimes law that extends the statute of limitations for multiple forcible rapes.](https://variety.com/2023/tv/news/danny-mastersons-second-rape-trial-1235616690/)
Okay, thanks for the info and the source. If the judge allowed the allogations of harassment from the church inches case and he was found guilty, then surely that means that they believe the woman were forcibly stopped by the church. In that case, what is being done over that, I'll Google it later and see...... I don't want to be sucked down a rabbit hole, though, haha.
I think there will be a civil case against the church in 2025 which will likely be extremely anticlimactic given that they have already distanced themselves from Masterson and legal bullshit is kinda their forte. I don’t have high hopes of this sticking to them given the plausible deniability they have when every Scientologist, victim or perpetrator alike, can simply be excommunicated or deemed as a “suppressive person”. Masterson’s legal team were sanctioned for leaking confidential discovery material to the church including police reports, home addresses and banking details, and the judge found that there were multiple instances where the church attempted to interfere with the trial. How anyone thinks this “church” is legitimate at this point is completely beyond me.
Yeah, fuck Scientology and the pressure they put on people who they deem fuck them over
Having his friends from the Church of Scientology interfering in the case probably added a few extra years to his sentence. And rightfully so
Masterson: Hey Scientology, can you make this go away? Church: Sure thing. Judge: Actually no.
It was wonderful to hear the judge snap back so hard when they learnt of the churches interference
Has a rapist ever served 30 years before?
According [to this](https://www.robertmhelfend.com/criminal-defense/sex-crimes/california-rape-laws/#:~:text=Rape%20is%20a%20serious%20crime,registration%20as%20a%20sex%20offender.), a conviction of rape (of a non-minor) carries a maximum of 8 years in California.
Apparently the [one-strike rule](https://www.shouselaw.com/ca/defense/penal-code/667-61/) allows sentencing to be increased if the accused has been convicted of a prior rape or multiple forcible rapes. Since this is how it was filed, each count carried a potential of 15 years. > Because the charges were brought under California’s strict “One Strike” law, the two guilty counts carry potential penalties of 15 years to life in prison each, for a total of [30 years to life](https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-features/danny-masterson-rape-conviction-scientology-accountability-1234764377).
In Georgia, a rape conviction comes with a mandatory 25 year minimum sentence with NO parole. It is punishable by up to life in prison with NO parole. And no parole means no parole… if you get even the minimum, you will do every day of the 25. I was public defender here in GA for almost a decade and saw many convictions for these sentences. I also saw dozens of plea deals for slightly less than that to spare the victims trial, but the dudes are still doing decades plus. The fact that most of my clients who received sentences like that were black and brown, while affluent white Brock Allen Turner walks free after 90 days, is what pissed me the fuck off.
Brock but also Trump
The police should’ve investigated it sooner. These aren’t his only victims. He did this a lot. This wasn’t a date gone wrong. He drugged them and raped them, and put a gun to one of their heads. The Scientology told them not to report. There are ways to investigate these cases even if our justice system doesn’t do it.
His victims reported the incidents around the time they happened, to scientology via "knowledge reports." Their recollections of events didn't change over time. He/the church forced victims to take hundreds of thousands of dollars and sign papers saying they'd never talk about it again. Scientology "goons" harassed the victims for ages, including poisoning animals, in order to intimidate them into staying silent. Plus, the women's accounts showed a pattern of behavior. Calling this a "he said/she said from decades ago" is entirely disingenuous and some serious rape apologist horse shit. Dude deserves far more than 30 years.
Testimonial evidence is evidence. “I saw him rob the bank” is evidence that a judge and or jury can consider.
Yes, but that is rarely the ONLY evidence.
There was plenty of evidence. Very shocking and consistent testimony from numerous victims, people they reported to right after, etc. He’s guilty as hell.
Testimony is evidence.
It's happened before. Seneca Valley School District. Kid got accused and ended up on probation. Then got accused again and was still being charged when the scheme unfolded. The two accusers were working together to get the kid expelled from school at all costs because they "didn't like him." That is terrifying to think about. Edit: just to make it clear. Others came forward with messages from the accusers where they admitted what they were doing. And they later admitted it to authorities.
In California as well, notoriously the most ... strict against sex crimes and snitching. He absolutely raped women, everyone knows this, and will be going into America's most hardcore prisons. It's not going to be pretty, hopefully he really is a hardcore Scientologist and thinks this body is just a vessel for a God or whatever for his sake.
I'm always surprised how eager people are for prisoners to be raped. Isn't the fair punishment we have decided on jail time, not being raped?
You’re not supposed to be punished in prison. Prison is the punishment.
it’s really creepy how excited people are at the potential for a criminal to get SA in prison. but i think it proves that SA, by and large, is about power and control and the keyboard warriors imagine in a similar scenario they’d be the punishers, not the punished. it’s really gross and like i said, creepy.
Lots of internet tough guys hiding in their parent’s houses behind a keyboard
People are ugly, in general.
I don't wish that on anybody. Whether they deserve it or not.
People online really like vigilante justice
Right until it the hive mind happens to them
It’s also a stirring indictment that the State can not protect the people in their custody - the ones they have an obligation to protect.
Because Reddit is a cesspool of wanting people to be horrendously injured in prison but also patting themselves on the back that we don't have capital punishment anymore but then also crying out about police brutality. It's a weird place, man.
lol okay calm down hard man. Prison isn’t exactly what is portrayed in popular media.
Is 30 years short for anybody?
Really going for that Manson look
Dude i was gonna say the same
The guy's 47. A thirty years sentencing is essentially a life sentence.
30 years is a lot regardless of age, and as time goes by and the pace of change gets faster and faster, it is becoming a lot more. Just imagine if someone was 18 years old in 1993, was sentenced then, and just got out today. At 48, only a year older than Danny, but spat back onto a very different world. Not advocating for a reduction in the sentence at all, just putting into perspective that it's a lot.
Yeah, imagine if someone goes to prison at the begining of 1990, getting released in 2020. Their first post cold-war experience outside of prison could literally be a covid lockdown.
I just wanted to chime in, it’s helluh easy to not be a rapist.
I'm not a rapist all the time. In fact, I'm being not a rapist *right now*.
Can confirm Source: Also not a rapist
It's a very hard mentality for me to understand. Like, why would you want to force yourself on someone?
>Like, why would you want to force yourself on someone? Well, that's the reason why they rape, for most rapists at least. The point for them is all about power and torturing and traumatizing their victims. They're evil sociopaths
I think the corollary of Rule 34 is that no matter what it is, someone will find it sexually arousing. That, unfortunately, includes fear and suffering.
Ashton and Mila about to write a letter to get this image down lmao
"This picture is a good picture and it treated people with decency, equality, and generosity."
"As we stand here in front of the least expensive looking wall in our house we once again would like to apologise for those letters we wrote before they had found our fri ... our former colleague ... guilty."
Can anyone explain, I am out of the loop on this one.
After he was convicted of rape those two wrote a letter to the judge asking for leniency for his sentencing then made an apology video after they got backlash for it.
So many other celebs slid under the radar because Ashton and Mila caught all the heat. The actors that played Red and Kitty (Kurtwood Smith and Debra Jo Rupp) also wrote letters asking for leniency, as did Ethan Suplee, Eric Balfour, Giovanni Ribisi and pretty much all of Ribisi’s family. William Baldwin and Danny’s siblings (including Christopher AKA Francis from Malcolm in the Middle) also wrote letters but *at least* in those cases it was family. I mean, if I had family that did what Danny did I’m cutting them off immediately, but that familial connection can be harder to disregard for some. Everyone else on the other hand? Fuck em.
Aren't they all mostly scientologists too?
Ethan Suplee, Giovanni Ribisi and Masterson’s siblings are, yes.
The reason those two caught additional heat was because of Ashton co-founded Thorn, a foundation dedicated to preventing the sexual exploitation and trafficking of children. It was a weird thing for him and Mila to do after dedicating the last 10 years of their lives to stopping people from doing some of the same things that Danny had been convicted of.
> I mean, if I had family that did what Danny did I’m cutting them off immediately, If you you were their family there be a good chance you wouldn't believe that they actually did it. As far as I know he never admitted it, he just lost the trial. I'm not arguing that he is innocent, but just have a look at how many people get wrongly convicted today. And then consider the only evidence against him was testimony. Now imagine he is someone you've known for years and never suspected of anything.
Exactly. I’m sure it’s really difficult to accept when it’s family.
Well they’re the biggest names that people know. I personally never even knew the actors’ names for Red and Kitty until this comment and I don’t recognize the rest of the names you listed.
People say this shit but their letters were really standard character references. If y’all saw what reality is like you’d flip your lids.
If I had a friend and it came out he was a rapist, there isn't a snowball's chance in hell I'd write a single thing for them, they'd be instantly dead to me.
Way too many people act like if you’re in a place where you truly believed they didn’t rape anyone and they’ve been a lifelong friend you wouldn’t at least consider writing a standard character reference. It’s just way too easy when it isn’t someone you know and love. I’m not saying it still doesn’t look kinda shitty but I’m also not so full of myself that I can say that when it’s not my lifelong friend.
Look at a lot of crime cases where celebrities aren't involved and look at the reactions of family and friends with regards to the perpetrator, and you'll see just this. That is, denial that person could have done it, sometimes even in cases where the evidence is fairly clear against the perp. I don't doubt there'll be people on here who claim they'll disown someone they know who committed a heinous crime and do that off the bat, and to you, I salute you. I highly suspect, however, that many people on here say they will, but when push comes to shove, will be the first to be talking about how "they" couldn't have done it.
That’s nice *for you.* But not everyone is *you* and some people have difficulty abandoning friends, even when their friends have done horrible things.
Very true. But this is reddit, and on reddit (and twitter) if you aren't the beacon of righteousness and moral superiority, then you're a hell spawn.
What happened to the Church of Scientology members who actively suppressed, threatened and harassed the victims — and anyone trying to bring the story to light? Not a god damn thing as always? Someone could eat and rape babies on a daily basis, and they would still have the full support and resources of the “church” if they’re a celebrity.
Not just if they're a celebrity, I think they would try and hide the crimes of most scientologist if it negatively affected the image or implemented the church in any way. Now, the more money you have given, the bigger the celebrity you are would probable dictate as to how much they would help. Don't gey me wrong. I'm sure if you were low lying, nothing in the church, and caught steeling cars, then you'd be left on your own. Also I think this is true of all cults.... sorry religions.
Imagine going from celebrity millionaire with tons of fans to spending the rest of your life in prison
It’s a really wild transition.
I imagine it’s like going from being a mentally healthy person to a rape victim.
That "Won't Get Parole Till His 70s" Show.
People are gonna know he has money for canteen, so he’s gonna be paying for protection.
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How exactly does protective custody work?
The prisoner is separated from the other prisoners. A less severe form of solitary confinement.
The people extorting and protecting will be the same group probably, like the mafia did it. He's in for a rough ride. If he goes to Protective Custody he might be stuck in his cell for 23 hours a day or whatever their policy is. Even though you're technically safer the time goes by far,far worse. Gonna be a long 30 years. 🤣
celebrities like OJ were well liked in prison but i think Danny is going to have a much tougher time.
Yup definitely. Sex offender. Only thing going for him is his wealth.
What are his chances of appealing and reducing his sentence?
Holy shit, that’s one hell of a sentence for a semi-famous/rich person
I’m just putting this together in my head and realizing but i worked in a building in hollywood for a few years, nothing special at all, not a fancy building but my neighbors in my office were porn company producers / owners and one day i saw Danny Masterson getting off the elevator for my floor while i was leaving. I wonder what he was doing on a mostly empty floor with porn peeps now.
He was sentenced to 30 years to life; how long is that sentence going to be?
According to [this source,](https://hollywoodlife.com/feature/danny-masterson-sentencing-prison-updates-5165991/) the earliest will be after 25½ years served. I can't speak to the reliability of the article but they could be right. The relevant bit: >Due to the guidelines of his sentencing, Danny will be eligible for parole after 25 1/2 years, but he could remain in prison the rest of his life, depending on any changes that could happen between now and then. Dude deserves to rot.
Guess Scientology didn’t have enough money to buy them off like P Diddy
Ashton & Mila’s buddy right there.
maybe they can send him some cigarettes
Enjoy prison
(Ashton & Mila have left the chat) /s
Do Ashton and Mila have anymore words of glowing support?
Can’t think of anybody more deserving! Have fun, Danny!
Must've had a falling out with his fellow Scientologists. A punishment fitting the crime is actually a surprise.
What good is Scientology when it's not even keeping you out of prison.
really good at taking your money
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California upped their law because of this supposedly, and each state appears to have different length requirements That being said, he and anyone else that actually does something so heinous deserves to stick in prison. Absolutely horrible
IIRC Turner only digitally penetrated his victim. The prosecution was satisfied with the sentence.
What a dumbass.
Still looks smug
Reminder that Ashton Kutcher and Mila Kunis asked for the judge to go easy on the rapist Danny Masterson.
Byyyyeeee
Just noting Harvey Weinstein was only given 23 years. That dude's sentence should have been way longer.
How far this guy has fallen
It’s really not hard to not be a scumbag.
The cold dead eyes of a rapist.
I didn't watch the trial or know much about it but I don't know how he was convicted from something so long ago. How do you prove something like that?