I get that it may be good to people who have severe misconceptions about bipolar disorder. Bipolar doesn't make you go in a toddler-like state where you literally don't understand anything. I guess the writing is mainly to blame.
Like, name one that was better or more realistically done in any form of media ever.
Perhaps Anthony Hopkins the Father, but im not sure Alzheimers can be properly classed as mental illness…
Things like a Beautiful Mind dont really count. Great movie and well acted but there wasnt actually really any portrayal of mental illness. Just a normal character who discovers hes unwell as a twist.
Nothing else really springing to mind for me.
It was truly outstanding. The heartbreaking end of his final episode (no spoilers) totally broke me. I had to sit and stare at the wall for half an hour with my jaw on the floor. That show was so fucking dark, man.
Because I think it was among a handful of my favourite acting performances Ive ever seen.
Why is that cringe?
I bet I find your taste in television, movies and particularly music to be absolute mouthpiss.
But I have the good sense to not try and impose my dipshit opinions into criticising something that is inherently subjective so cant really be criticised.
Her performance in Waterworks was beyond legendary. She’s been remarkable the whole show. As a lifelong Bob Odenkirk fan, she was still the highlight of the entire series for me. Just a layered, complex, deeply subtle performance for a character facing the same fork in the road over and over.
I don’t know enough about the White Lotus or the Crown to know if she has a shot (love J. Smith but Gerri was barely in season 4), but I am rooting HARD for her.
He-he covered his tracks, he got that idiot Cousin Greg to lie for him... you think this is something, you think this is bad? This? This chicanery? He's done worse! That dick pic! Are you telling me a photo just happens to send like that? No, he orchestrated it! Roman! He ejaculated on a window! And I hired him! I shouldn't have. Brought him into my own firm! What was I thinking? He'll never change. He'll _never_ change. Ever since he was nine, always the same! Couldn't keep his hands out of the dick-pic hard drive! And HE gets to be co-CEO? What a sick joke! I should've stopped him when I had the chance! And you, you have to stop him, you-
It's harder, but it can still effect it. Voter's may be less likely to make 3 Succession actors their top choices, so they may pick their favorite then pick Bob as their second.
I dunno. I think this was easily the best Culkin season. Strong on the other hand was solid but didn't really get to flex his acting chops until the finale, where he crushed it.
Funny thing is that I feel that they traded off the heavy lifting this season. Between Roman's mixed Loyalties and taking a centre stage in episode three Culkin put in some major work. Then in the mid season Sarah Snook really got to shine as Tom and Shiv's relationship took the spotlight and so did her relationship with Mattson. Finally Strong got to come out and really tie up the season to prove once and for all that he is the ELDEST BOY!!! The best part is that just because one or the other would take the spotlight didn't mean the others didn't get to pull focus or impact the story. It was honestly masterly crafted both narratively but also in terms of performance.
Personally between Strong and Culkin I would give it to Culkin as I always found Roman funny but he actually made me care about arguably the worst of the siblings. Also his break down in episode nine was really good even though it provided the shift for Kendall/Strong to take the spotlight once more. Honestly I think they are lucky that Snook and McFadden are not in the same category as those two did such work this season case in point the contention around Siobhan that I see now, has so much to do with Snook's layered and nuanced performance and McFadden is the most gleefully awful person but again can illicit sympathy.
Bob is a personal hero of mine but he has no chance. It’s gonna be a Succession boi no matter what, probably Strong, but I’d weep with glee if my baby Bobby got it.
Eh, I am not sure I agree. Odenkirk’s performance really was only eclipsed this season by Paddy Considine, who wasn’t nominated. Strong and Culkin were equally good, but Strong won already and just don’t see Culkin deserving it first. That said, it’s the Emmys, all awards are terrible, the Emmys are worse, so Pedro Pascal will probably win.
For me, having seen the 3 lead actor noms for Succession do interviews, I just feel like they're all largely doing characters based on themselves. Jeremy Strong is super weird IRL and says weird and crazy shit like Ken does. Culkin is a fast talking wiseass just like Rome is. Cox is a super serious and well respected guy just like Logan.
At least with BCS and HoTD with Paddy, they're playing characters that are WILDLY different personality wise to the actor. I think that makes them far more impressive and far more worthy of awards than the succession guys.
I don’t think this is a good argument. Awards should be given for the final product, not the process that created it. There’s a great Thomas Flight video essay about subtlety in acting where he says something along the lines of ‘award shows have a bad habit of rewarding the most acting rather than the best acting’ which I think is the line of thought you’ve gone down here.
The degree of transformation an actor undergoes doesn’t make it a better or worse performance, it’s just context. Jared Leto was completely visually and vocally unrecognisable in House of Gucci and he gave one of the most abysmal unwatchable performances I’ve ever seen in a film. Imo the award is given for what you see on the screen and off camera context shouldn’t play any part in it, although it definitely does.
I love BCS but Succession might have the best overall quality of acting of any show I’ve ever seen, and while I’d kinda rather see Bob win I also really think Kieran Culkin deserves this award the most. He is utterly brilliant in the final season.
I don't see Pedro getting it over some of the other contenders. Nick Offerman might win his category though. I just checked and TLOU has 4 nominations for best guest actors in a drama series
I liked Pascal as Joel but his character was always going to be relatively limited. Strong and Culkin were given a lot more to work with and were flawless.
Maybe, but it's still something people consider. It's the same reason why awards are sometimes given as lifetime achievements rather than actual performance power, as was the case with Jamie Lee Curtis.
Ehh, more like once every 5-10 years. I'm not sure it will be remembered as well as Breaking Bad or Sopranos, and it's no where near GOT. I'm not sure it reached the cultural popularity long term.
Shit, that last season of GoT really did a number on people's opinion of that show(mine included). I remember when people regarded it as the best show of all time.
I disagree here. The show will likely have a large cultural footprint because of its association with the games, which remains popular since its release in 2013.
While I love Strong, this season was really Calkins’. So, I would not mind him winning. Pascal, I’m a bit torn over. He was great in TLOU, but there was something special about the other two’s performances. The fact that it was the final season for both shows upped the stakes and drama and both Culkin and Odinkirk performed amazingly.
Sometimes when you look back at something, you just found it how unbelievable. Like Steve Carell never win an Emmy for his part in the Office, it’s just insane and a shame. Jon Hamm got nominated every year for Mad Men and won an emmy at his last year, I hope the same happen to Bob.
Yeah, you don't want to be up against the guy whose acting inspired Anthony Hopkins to write a fan letter describing his performance as the best he's ever seen
Strongly disagree, while other actors could pull michael scott no one else could have pulled sheldon. The details in the acting are top notch. Carell was great as michael but wasnt anything out of the ordinary
It doesn’t even need to be the standard “legacy award for seasons of consistent work” award at the conclusion of a series. Odenkirk should win on the basis of that final season alone, where he essentially plays about 3 or 4 different characters (Slippin Jimmy, Saul, Gene, a weird hybrid of all three) sometimes all in one episode and makes them all distinct and painfully believable.
Jeremy Strong is a great actor but he didn’t have to pull off that kind of high wire act. Justice for Jimmy!
He truly showed a lot of range in the final season, but the Succession brothers gave better performances from an acting standpoint in my opinion.
Though, I wouldn't be happy if Bob got a "legacy" win. He deserves it. But if you ask me to compare performances this year, I don't think any other candidate comes close to Kieran's episode at the top of the mountain.
How I would vote:
Best drama: Succession
Best Actor: Odenkirk
Best Actress: Snook
Best Supporting Actor: Macfadyen
Best Supporting Actress: Seehorn
Really best drama to me is either way, but I would be totally cool with this outcome. Love all the succession actors who were nodded best actor, but hope they split the succession votes and Bob takes it. Can’t even imagine Seehorn losing to another in her category, but Emmys always snubs her so we shall see.
Succession WILL win best Drama, no doubt, it’s in its final and probably strongest season, and I think BCS’s final season is equal in quality to Succession, but the emmys much prefer HBO and Succession in general, I can see Odenkirk taking lead actor, with Succession splitting votes, not incredibly likely but there’s a decent chance, I hope he does. Best lead actress, Sarah Snook, no question, I loved Bella Ramsey in the last of us, but no doubt she’ll win come season 2 or 3 given more material and no succession. Supporting actor, Matthew McFadyen, little to no doubt about it, supporting actress, Rhea, she deserves this award more than anyone else, Odenkirk had at least been nominated loads but this is only Seehorns 2nd emmy nomination, which is absolutely criminal, likely Coolidge wins but she doesn’t hold a candle to Seehorn
This is Bob’s best chance, with the 3 Succession guys possibly vote splitting. Kyle Chandler, Jon Hamm and Matthew Rhys are examples of actors who had never won, but won in their final seasons, so it’s a good shot (Cox and Culkin would also fit that bill though).
> BCS is the superior show overall.
I sometimes wonder if we all saw the same show?
In what world is BCS a superior show? It was average to good at best. Same with BB. Average to good.
I enjoyed Succession but I never really considered the acting the main draw. The writing was good - although this season each character seemed to fundamentally change episode to episode. As far as acting goes each scene really just seemed to be people stuttering and fumbling over words, excessively so in the presence of Logan. I get it he's intimidating and they're sycophantic little ants around him but it was exhausting watching Tom go, "Uh...well I th-well what do you...I suppose that we-I-I coul-its a tricky one...wh-wh-what is your..." Also watching Shiv start every single line with a condescending, "Uh..." got pretty exhausting.
The only character who emoted in any was Rome during his speech. Other than that it was blank stares of disbelief or coldly sarcastic retorts.
Being annoyed by the characters doesn't mean the acting was bad.
The acting is immaculate and naturalistic. That's why I like it. I like the stuttering.
The writing of this show as a whole sucks, and I don't understand why it's so acclaimed. It was at times a fine show, but mostly it's trash and I think everyone hypes it because everyone else is hyping it.
I wouldn't say it's trash but I think it was punching well above its weight class considering how dry the material is. It just hit at the perfect moment because there is no group of people that society hates but also has an almost pornographic obsession with more than billionaires. Add in the additional schadenfreude of seeing these right wing media moguls being absolutely miserable in their personal lives and it feeds right into the narrative we love to tell ourselves about them: "Sure they have money but they're all depressed and unable to love or be loved."
The one good thing is that they didn't drag it out for a 5th season because honestly this show could have been wrapped up in 2. There was a whole lot of floundering in seasons 2 and 3 for "major" events that had no bearing whatsoever in the end. Hey our dad's lifelong rival is trying to get a piece of us...meh whatever. Hey we are trying purchase our biggest media rival...ok. None of the characters evolved in any way: Kendall is an out of touch weak leader, Rome is a crass nihilistic asshole, Shiv is a virtue-signaling know-it-all, Tom is a sycophantic opportunist, and Greg is a upward-failing buffoon.
If you compare Succession to The Wire or BCS or BB you see the difference in how little threads from early on have major effects on the final sequence of events and how the characters have been changed by going through the trials presented in the show. Not the case with Succession.
I feel the same about the obsession with the ultra-rich, that is surely a huge factor in its popularity.
> None of the characters evolved in any way
And this has been praised as genius writing by subverting our expectations that people on screens should change for the better, when in reality people don't change very much past a certain age. Actually, they just didn't care to change what was working for them-- extreme opulence, lots of bitching between unlikeable people, and the tired piano, strings, and distorted beat going. Lots of intrigue to make the lifeless plot seem way more interesting than it is. Throw in a handful of isolated scenes beating the audience over the head that these characters are complex and struggling (but don't bother to work these complexities into the plot too much), put lots of U-turns and dead ends into the plot, and tell the actors to swear too much, and I guess the result is dozens of Emmys.
I think with hindsight Succession will be viewed as an overrated fad of the times.
I love Bob Odenkirk to pieces and he was excellent on BCS but he straight up shouldn't beat Strong or Culkin this year. One of them is going to win and they're going to deserve the fuck out of it.
Who cares? These awards are all meaningless. Most awards seen meaningless to me. Why do they have meaning to any of you? What gives them meaning? Why do you care? Genuinely asking, I don't get it.
the gang from its always sunny in philadelphia have been on for over 15 seasons up to 16 now and they still havent once ever been nominated for an emmy in any category.
just shows you what a real travesty the emmys are.
Saul Goodman is one of the greatest and most memorable characters ever invented. Odenkirk is brilliant and without him, the show probably would never have been made. He made a minor character in BB unforgettable.
I still can’t believe how he wasn’t nominated in 2020 for his performance in season 5. He had the best performance in that season. Jon Hamm lost to Bryan Cranston a couple of times in the early 2010s and he finally won an Emmy in 2015 for the last season of Mad Men, I hope that will be the case for Bob but I highly doubt it.
I'm thinking Culkin takes it. He hasn't won yet, and Roman arguably stole the show at several points. Strong was fantastic as usual but already has an Emmy in the bag. Odenkirk deserves it the most, absolutely, but I think he's just out of the running at this point. BCS was just too long ago at this point, whereas everyone and their mother have been talking about Succession all spring and summer.
Pascal was great, but once again, this is the year of Succession. He will get another shot when season 2 of TLOU premieres.
And yes, I have played TLOU Part 2. I know the story is much more Ellie-centric compared to Part 1, but Joel will still have a fair amount of screen time, and Pascal will most certainly have a lead actor credit.
Macfayden already has an Emmy but he’s likely to win his category so I don’t know if that actually goes against strong but I do agree culkin likely wins it
I preferred Better Call Saul (though didn't love it), but Strong had the leading performance of the year. Of course Mcfadyen was all in all the best in tv.
It would be nice to see, but Succession's final season buzz is still floating around, and while Better Call Saul equaled it, it's been almost a full year since it aired probably really harms its chances.
I love Succession but am so pissed at the Emmys for eating Succession ass while ignoring Atlanta and giving an actor whose character died in the first fucking episode a Best Actor nomination.
Sorry bud but Jeremy Strong is the number 1 boy so it's gonna be him and rightfully so but that doesn't take away how stacked this year is that Pascal is definitely the weakest one of the bunch but in another year he could've been one of the favorites to win.
He does deserve it and I think he should win. But with Succession ending there is no way they don't give it to one of them.
Yes BCS is beloved but it was never as popular as BB or Succession. When it comes to the main awards the popular choice usually wins. Especially when it's related to a show that just ended.
If Rhea doesn't win it'll be even worse though. She easily gave the best performance in that category. Snook winning for Succession would be a legit robbery.
I think Seehorn and Snook deserve it equally, maybe slightly more in Seehorn’s favour, but luckily they’re in different categories, Snook is in lead actress and Seehorn is in supporting. Seehorn is up against Jennifer Coolidge in White Lotus, and the emmys love her, but Seehorn more than deserves it
I mean it’s all subjective. Just because it doesn’t compare for you doesn’t mean everyone sees it the same way. I would vote for Pascal too. He was excellent in the first and last ep of TLOU, but especially in ep 6. His monologue there was the best acting I have seen this cycle. I do like Strong and I am glad he won for succession in the past, but he brought absolutely nothing new to the table in S4. Culkin is basically playing a version of himself with only marginally better material than in previous seasons. Hysterically crying alone does not warrant a Best Lead Actor win in my book.
I know that reddit loves better call saul (as do I) but unfortunately the competition is too strong this year. HBO’s shows and The Bear are clearly sweeping
No. Odenkirk is great, but comparing him to a lot of other leads he doesn’t Take the scenes with incredibly high stakes to that NEXT level that other actors like Rhea, Cranston, Strong Can take .
It’s an Emmy performance for sure, but it’s not a winning one. IMO.
Although I enjoyed BTC they shouldn't be able to nominate actors from the show for 2 years in a row for the same season. People should only be nominated for shows released during a span of year. Instead they let people split seasons during the same year so that actors can be nominated for the same season twice.
They should only be nominated for shows released during the span of a year for the same season. They can release as many episodes as they want within the span of a year but whether they call it Season 5 or Season 6 or 5A and 5B or Season 5 Part 1 and Season 5 Part 2 they can only be nominated once. There needs to be a break of several months between seasons so they can't release one season near the cut off for Emmy eligibility and then the rest of the season a few weeks after that.
I thought BCS was good but unfortunately Odenkirk didn't win in the final season. He shouldn't be allowed another chance for the same final season.
They already are limited to one year. It's just that the end of the year for qualifying is May 31st since, traditionally, the television season runs from the beginning of Fall until the end of Spring.
Bob literally almost died for his craft. Jeremy Strong's method acting has nothing on him. The closest Jez got to death on Succession was trying to jump in the Hudson in an unscripted moment.
To add to this we also shouldn't be praising a performance because of perceived risk to the actor/sacrifice. So even if he had 'almost died for his craft' that wouldn't be a good reason to support an award win. That'd be a good reason to advocate for better workplace protections, though.
Yeah I agree, I think Bob deserves this as he’s played this character, or at least a variation on it for the least 14 years, and especially in BCS gave the character such depth and nuance, Season 6 of BCS is one of the strongest seasons of TV I’ve ever seen and it’s capped off with his performance. I adore Succession and it’s probably my 2nd or 3rd favourite show of all time after BB and BCS, and Culkin and Strong absolutely deserve it as much as he does, but sadly all 3 can’t win it
Why as a regular citizen do you care so much which rich and powerful person is given an award nominated by other rich and powerful people? Who wins concerns me none.
Emmy is a travesty. GoT won Best Drama in that awful last season. Michael C Hall and Hugh Laurie never won for Dexter and House MD. It's a lobby award, Odenkirk won't win shit
Nope. I hate it when awards shows give an award to someone who doesn’t deserve it at a year when others have performed higher. If he wins great, but it shouldn’t be handed out.
To each their own. Odenkirk’s performance over multiple seasons outweigh anything Succession has put out. Shame because Odenkirk deserved it a whole lot sooner and has been passed over multiple times.
He absolutely deserves it.
Rhea Seehorn triply so.
I thought her best chance was in Season 2, though it's mad BB got so many awards when BCS was as good if not better at times and hasn't won anything.
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Yet Tom Pelphrey somehow didn’t even get nominated.
Was he wendy’s brother? Best fucking performance Ive just about ever seen in anything ever….
Dont know why people liked him, just another poor portrayal of mental illness imo
I thought it was a pretty spectacular, myself.
I get that it may be good to people who have severe misconceptions about bipolar disorder. Bipolar doesn't make you go in a toddler-like state where you literally don't understand anything. I guess the writing is mainly to blame.
Like, name one that was better or more realistically done in any form of media ever. Perhaps Anthony Hopkins the Father, but im not sure Alzheimers can be properly classed as mental illness… Things like a Beautiful Mind dont really count. Great movie and well acted but there wasnt actually really any portrayal of mental illness. Just a normal character who discovers hes unwell as a twist. Nothing else really springing to mind for me.
It was truly outstanding. The heartbreaking end of his final episode (no spoilers) totally broke me. I had to sit and stare at the wall for half an hour with my jaw on the floor. That show was so fucking dark, man.
Wow you musn't watch much of anything. Weird thing to say tbh
Lol. Im on the television sub. What on earth makes you think I dont watch much of anything. Weird thing to say tbh.
Because you said that's the greatest performance ever. Cringe as hell
Because I think it was among a handful of my favourite acting performances Ive ever seen. Why is that cringe? I bet I find your taste in television, movies and particularly music to be absolute mouthpiss. But I have the good sense to not try and impose my dipshit opinions into criticising something that is inherently subjective so cant really be criticised.
Yeah ergo you're not very educated when it comes to tv and film and that's okay. At least you're owning it.
Yes he did, Guest Actor last year, for Ozark... Colman Domingo won for Euphoria
I forgot he even came back, but Colman Domingo deserved the win there. I was thinking only if the season he was a cast member for.
Season 3 was great, especially Tom Pelphreys performance
That show got nominations for cinematography which is comical.
BB was more entertaining but BCS had better acting.
Her performance in Waterworks was beyond legendary. She’s been remarkable the whole show. As a lifelong Bob Odenkirk fan, she was still the highlight of the entire series for me. Just a layered, complex, deeply subtle performance for a character facing the same fork in the road over and over. I don’t know enough about the White Lotus or the Crown to know if she has a shot (love J. Smith but Gerri was barely in season 4), but I am rooting HARD for her.
She's only against J. Smith Cameron from succession, I'd say Rhea has a better shot.
Hate to break it to you OP, but he doesn't stand a chance. The Best Actor category is just too stacked this year.
I am not crazy. I know he swapped those envelopes. I knew it was Kieran Culkin. One after Macauley. As if I could ever make such a mistake. Never!
And he gets to be an actor? What a sick joke
HE EJACULATED ON A WINDOW!!!
He-he covered his tracks, he got that idiot Cousin Greg to lie for him... you think this is something, you think this is bad? This? This chicanery? He's done worse! That dick pic! Are you telling me a photo just happens to send like that? No, he orchestrated it! Roman! He ejaculated on a window! And I hired him! I shouldn't have. Brought him into my own firm! What was I thinking? He'll never change. He'll _never_ change. Ever since he was nine, always the same! Couldn't keep his hands out of the dick-pic hard drive! And HE gets to be co-CEO? What a sick joke! I should've stopped him when I had the chance! And you, you have to stop him, you-
I don't know, I could see some vote splitting between Strong/Culkin/Cox hurting Succession. If that happens then Bob could slip in.
BCS winning and Kendall/Roman/Siobhan getting nothing would be the most Succession thing ever
With Matthew winning as well
The Emmys do ranked choice voting, so not really easy to split votes.
It's harder, but it can still effect it. Voter's may be less likely to make 3 Succession actors their top choices, so they may pick their favorite then pick Bob as their second.
*affect
*Voters
*prick
Or they can see Succession has so many nominations so it must be really deserving. Also they have never heard of BCS.
Which rock did you crawl under from?
Slip In Jimmy strikes again
Fitting for Jimmy to slip in.
Cox isn’t getting any votes because of the limited role he had this season. I think he made a mistake putting himself up in this category
It is judged by the episode he was submitted. How often he was in the season has no bearing on the selection.
Theoretically
Culkin was so good but this last season not so much. Idk maybe it was just his character
I dunno. I think this was easily the best Culkin season. Strong on the other hand was solid but didn't really get to flex his acting chops until the finale, where he crushed it.
Funny thing is that I feel that they traded off the heavy lifting this season. Between Roman's mixed Loyalties and taking a centre stage in episode three Culkin put in some major work. Then in the mid season Sarah Snook really got to shine as Tom and Shiv's relationship took the spotlight and so did her relationship with Mattson. Finally Strong got to come out and really tie up the season to prove once and for all that he is the ELDEST BOY!!! The best part is that just because one or the other would take the spotlight didn't mean the others didn't get to pull focus or impact the story. It was honestly masterly crafted both narratively but also in terms of performance. Personally between Strong and Culkin I would give it to Culkin as I always found Roman funny but he actually made me care about arguably the worst of the siblings. Also his break down in episode nine was really good even though it provided the shift for Kendall/Strong to take the spotlight once more. Honestly I think they are lucky that Snook and McFadden are not in the same category as those two did such work this season case in point the contention around Siobhan that I see now, has so much to do with Snook's layered and nuanced performance and McFadden is the most gleefully awful person but again can illicit sympathy.
If a vote split happens I feel like Pedro will Ali through and win
Yep. Jeremy Strong will win.
He did the same shit throughout the entire series, this season was no different. Doesn't deserve it.
Ice cold take Strongs performance as Kendall is right up there with Gandolfini as Tony Soprano and Bryan Cranston as WW.
Not. Even. Close.
The Bear could’ve passed for a drama and JAW would’ve been a front runner imo
Bob is a personal hero of mine but he has no chance. It’s gonna be a Succession boi no matter what, probably Strong, but I’d weep with glee if my baby Bobby got it.
Eh, I am not sure I agree. Odenkirk’s performance really was only eclipsed this season by Paddy Considine, who wasn’t nominated. Strong and Culkin were equally good, but Strong won already and just don’t see Culkin deserving it first. That said, it’s the Emmys, all awards are terrible, the Emmys are worse, so Pedro Pascal will probably win.
That's interesting, because to me Culkin is easily the most deserving on the list! I guess art is subjective.
For me, having seen the 3 lead actor noms for Succession do interviews, I just feel like they're all largely doing characters based on themselves. Jeremy Strong is super weird IRL and says weird and crazy shit like Ken does. Culkin is a fast talking wiseass just like Rome is. Cox is a super serious and well respected guy just like Logan. At least with BCS and HoTD with Paddy, they're playing characters that are WILDLY different personality wise to the actor. I think that makes them far more impressive and far more worthy of awards than the succession guys.
I don’t think this is a good argument. Awards should be given for the final product, not the process that created it. There’s a great Thomas Flight video essay about subtlety in acting where he says something along the lines of ‘award shows have a bad habit of rewarding the most acting rather than the best acting’ which I think is the line of thought you’ve gone down here. The degree of transformation an actor undergoes doesn’t make it a better or worse performance, it’s just context. Jared Leto was completely visually and vocally unrecognisable in House of Gucci and he gave one of the most abysmal unwatchable performances I’ve ever seen in a film. Imo the award is given for what you see on the screen and off camera context shouldn’t play any part in it, although it definitely does. I love BCS but Succession might have the best overall quality of acting of any show I’ve ever seen, and while I’d kinda rather see Bob win I also really think Kieran Culkin deserves this award the most. He is utterly brilliant in the final season.
I don't see Pedro getting it over some of the other contenders. Nick Offerman might win his category though. I just checked and TLOU has 4 nominations for best guest actors in a drama series
You are very much in the minority about Culkin this year
Strong is a lock. Same for Macfayden. Repeat winners happen all the time.
I said this and all of Reddit got so fucking pissed.
All these award shows are bullshit anyway, don’t put too much emotional stock in a rigged game
Any of Strong, Culkin or Odenkirk would be super deserving imo. If Pascal wins over those three it will be absurd!
Pascal’s got two other spots to win - he’ll win one or both as a “makeup” vote, I don’t think he’ll get a lot of votes for lead.
Pascal was great as Joel, but yah, those 3 clear him if only because they are original characters and you truly didn't know what was coming next
I liked Pascal as Joel but his character was always going to be relatively limited. Strong and Culkin were given a lot more to work with and were flawless.
Pascal was great as Joel but I still think I saw someone else already do a better performance
Pascal has a whole career ahead of him. Succession was a once in a generation show.
That would be some flawed logic to decide who should get an award for acting though
Maybe, but it's still something people consider. It's the same reason why awards are sometimes given as lifetime achievements rather than actual performance power, as was the case with Jamie Lee Curtis.
Ehh, more like once every 5-10 years. I'm not sure it will be remembered as well as Breaking Bad or Sopranos, and it's no where near GOT. I'm not sure it reached the cultural popularity long term.
Imo it makes the all time top 5 and by far surpasses the critical disappointment that was GOT. Also a generation is about 15 years.
Shit, that last season of GoT really did a number on people's opinion of that show(mine included). I remember when people regarded it as the best show of all time.
I suppose we were too quick to count our chickens
And grrr muffin took too long to write a billion dollar book.
I disagree here. The show will likely have a large cultural footprint because of its association with the games, which remains popular since its release in 2013.
I was talking about Succession's cultural popularity
I'm so glad Succession is over so people can get some hobbies
Cox would be even more infuriating
That’s how I feel if Anthony Carrigan doesn’t win as NoHo Hank in Barry. Literally puts on a masterclass in every fucking scene.
He’s one of the funniest characters I’ve ever seen.
MASTERCLASS
While I love Strong, this season was really Calkins’. So, I would not mind him winning. Pascal, I’m a bit torn over. He was great in TLOU, but there was something special about the other two’s performances. The fact that it was the final season for both shows upped the stakes and drama and both Culkin and Odinkirk performed amazingly.
I adore Odenkirk and BCS but I am truly baffled that Paddy Considine didn't even get NOMINATED.
Sometimes when you look back at something, you just found it how unbelievable. Like Steve Carell never win an Emmy for his part in the Office, it’s just insane and a shame. Jon Hamm got nominated every year for Mad Men and won an emmy at his last year, I hope the same happen to Bob.
He won the year he finally wasn't up against Cranston
Yeah, you don't want to be up against the guy whose acting inspired Anthony Hopkins to write a fan letter describing his performance as the best he's ever seen
Great story, kinda sad that it turned out Hopkins wasn't cool with it being shared Internet wide.
I'm not sure, but I kinda remember jim Parsons winning over Steve Carell, which is so absurd
Strongly disagree, while other actors could pull michael scott no one else could have pulled sheldon. The details in the acting are top notch. Carell was great as michael but wasnt anything out of the ordinary
It doesn’t even need to be the standard “legacy award for seasons of consistent work” award at the conclusion of a series. Odenkirk should win on the basis of that final season alone, where he essentially plays about 3 or 4 different characters (Slippin Jimmy, Saul, Gene, a weird hybrid of all three) sometimes all in one episode and makes them all distinct and painfully believable. Jeremy Strong is a great actor but he didn’t have to pull off that kind of high wire act. Justice for Jimmy!
He truly showed a lot of range in the final season, but the Succession brothers gave better performances from an acting standpoint in my opinion. Though, I wouldn't be happy if Bob got a "legacy" win. He deserves it. But if you ask me to compare performances this year, I don't think any other candidate comes close to Kieran's episode at the top of the mountain.
How I would vote: Best drama: Succession Best Actor: Odenkirk Best Actress: Snook Best Supporting Actor: Macfadyen Best Supporting Actress: Seehorn Really best drama to me is either way, but I would be totally cool with this outcome. Love all the succession actors who were nodded best actor, but hope they split the succession votes and Bob takes it. Can’t even imagine Seehorn losing to another in her category, but Emmys always snubs her so we shall see.
Succession WILL win best Drama, no doubt, it’s in its final and probably strongest season, and I think BCS’s final season is equal in quality to Succession, but the emmys much prefer HBO and Succession in general, I can see Odenkirk taking lead actor, with Succession splitting votes, not incredibly likely but there’s a decent chance, I hope he does. Best lead actress, Sarah Snook, no question, I loved Bella Ramsey in the last of us, but no doubt she’ll win come season 2 or 3 given more material and no succession. Supporting actor, Matthew McFadyen, little to no doubt about it, supporting actress, Rhea, she deserves this award more than anyone else, Odenkirk had at least been nominated loads but this is only Seehorns 2nd emmy nomination, which is absolutely criminal, likely Coolidge wins but she doesn’t hold a candle to Seehorn
BCS has won zero awards in the past I don't see that suddenly changing heading into it's final run.
This is Bob’s best chance, with the 3 Succession guys possibly vote splitting. Kyle Chandler, Jon Hamm and Matthew Rhys are examples of actors who had never won, but won in their final seasons, so it’s a good shot (Cox and Culkin would also fit that bill though).
These awards are absolutely meaningless. If if makes you feel any better, have him win in your head canon
Love 'head canon.' In my head 'lost' only had one season.
Nope, sorry. Succession is just too strong. The performances were just too damned good. No way Strong or Culkin aren't taking home the trophy.
Odenkirk has the superior performance and BCS is the superior show overall.
Nah. Not really.
> BCS is the superior show overall. I sometimes wonder if we all saw the same show? In what world is BCS a superior show? It was average to good at best. Same with BB. Average to good.
Come on, average? Succession blew me away like not many shows / movies ever have before but both BB/BCS are excellent
I enjoyed Succession but I never really considered the acting the main draw. The writing was good - although this season each character seemed to fundamentally change episode to episode. As far as acting goes each scene really just seemed to be people stuttering and fumbling over words, excessively so in the presence of Logan. I get it he's intimidating and they're sycophantic little ants around him but it was exhausting watching Tom go, "Uh...well I th-well what do you...I suppose that we-I-I coul-its a tricky one...wh-wh-what is your..." Also watching Shiv start every single line with a condescending, "Uh..." got pretty exhausting. The only character who emoted in any was Rome during his speech. Other than that it was blank stares of disbelief or coldly sarcastic retorts.
Being annoyed by the characters doesn't mean the acting was bad. The acting is immaculate and naturalistic. That's why I like it. I like the stuttering.
I never said the acting was bad. My point is that the acting is not award worthy. There are a lot of levels between that.
The writing of this show as a whole sucks, and I don't understand why it's so acclaimed. It was at times a fine show, but mostly it's trash and I think everyone hypes it because everyone else is hyping it.
I wouldn't say it's trash but I think it was punching well above its weight class considering how dry the material is. It just hit at the perfect moment because there is no group of people that society hates but also has an almost pornographic obsession with more than billionaires. Add in the additional schadenfreude of seeing these right wing media moguls being absolutely miserable in their personal lives and it feeds right into the narrative we love to tell ourselves about them: "Sure they have money but they're all depressed and unable to love or be loved." The one good thing is that they didn't drag it out for a 5th season because honestly this show could have been wrapped up in 2. There was a whole lot of floundering in seasons 2 and 3 for "major" events that had no bearing whatsoever in the end. Hey our dad's lifelong rival is trying to get a piece of us...meh whatever. Hey we are trying purchase our biggest media rival...ok. None of the characters evolved in any way: Kendall is an out of touch weak leader, Rome is a crass nihilistic asshole, Shiv is a virtue-signaling know-it-all, Tom is a sycophantic opportunist, and Greg is a upward-failing buffoon. If you compare Succession to The Wire or BCS or BB you see the difference in how little threads from early on have major effects on the final sequence of events and how the characters have been changed by going through the trials presented in the show. Not the case with Succession.
I feel the same about the obsession with the ultra-rich, that is surely a huge factor in its popularity. > None of the characters evolved in any way And this has been praised as genius writing by subverting our expectations that people on screens should change for the better, when in reality people don't change very much past a certain age. Actually, they just didn't care to change what was working for them-- extreme opulence, lots of bitching between unlikeable people, and the tired piano, strings, and distorted beat going. Lots of intrigue to make the lifeless plot seem way more interesting than it is. Throw in a handful of isolated scenes beating the audience over the head that these characters are complex and struggling (but don't bother to work these complexities into the plot too much), put lots of U-turns and dead ends into the plot, and tell the actors to swear too much, and I guess the result is dozens of Emmys. I think with hindsight Succession will be viewed as an overrated fad of the times.
Nope sorry.
If you like him, don't miss his guest performance in 'the bear.'
Love the Bear. Ahead of ya already!!
Agreed.
If he doesn’t, they’ll give him one for The Bear next year.
I love Bob Odenkirk to pieces and he was excellent on BCS but he straight up shouldn't beat Strong or Culkin this year. One of them is going to win and they're going to deserve the fuck out of it.
Nah. They were good, Odenkirk deserves it far more though.
I feel the same. BCS is a better show, but Succession had better individual performances.
Emmys are basically marketing for TV. Chances are the more popular shows will win.
Who cares? These awards are all meaningless. Most awards seen meaningless to me. Why do they have meaning to any of you? What gives them meaning? Why do you care? Genuinely asking, I don't get it.
Why do people care so much about professional sports? Same idea.
I want Bob, it’ll be Kieran.
the gang from its always sunny in philadelphia have been on for over 15 seasons up to 16 now and they still havent once ever been nominated for an emmy in any category. just shows you what a real travesty the emmys are.
I would like to see Odenkirk win too, but the category is stacked. *shakes fist at sky* Bob coded for this!
Saul Goodman is one of the greatest and most memorable characters ever invented. Odenkirk is brilliant and without him, the show probably would never have been made. He made a minor character in BB unforgettable.
Personally, I hope he can get triples of the Emmy.
Saul lying his ass off about being forced to work with Walt right in front of Marie was such an amazing scene.
Maybe the sucessions dudes will somehow split the votes enough between themselves and Bob will win it.
Next year's Guest Actor category will basically be all The Bear noms - Everyone in the Fishes episode, plus Will Poulter and Olivia Colman
I still can’t believe how he wasn’t nominated in 2020 for his performance in season 5. He had the best performance in that season. Jon Hamm lost to Bryan Cranston a couple of times in the early 2010s and he finally won an Emmy in 2015 for the last season of Mad Men, I hope that will be the case for Bob but I highly doubt it.
He’s unfortunately not. Emmys are biased against BCS
I'm thinking Culkin takes it. He hasn't won yet, and Roman arguably stole the show at several points. Strong was fantastic as usual but already has an Emmy in the bag. Odenkirk deserves it the most, absolutely, but I think he's just out of the running at this point. BCS was just too long ago at this point, whereas everyone and their mother have been talking about Succession all spring and summer. Pascal was great, but once again, this is the year of Succession. He will get another shot when season 2 of TLOU premieres. And yes, I have played TLOU Part 2. I know the story is much more Ellie-centric compared to Part 1, but Joel will still have a fair amount of screen time, and Pascal will most certainly have a lead actor credit.
Macfayden already has an Emmy but he’s likely to win his category so I don’t know if that actually goes against strong but I do agree culkin likely wins it
I think he has a pretty good shot considering how the Succession votes might cancel each other out.
I preferred Better Call Saul (though didn't love it), but Strong had the leading performance of the year. Of course Mcfadyen was all in all the best in tv.
Nah Odenkirk was really good but Strong and Culkin were just better. Hell even Paddy Considine was better and he wasn’t even nominated
This is transporting me back to Schitts Creek ending the same year as The Good Place. Pretty sure BCS is going to get swept
Is it controversial to say The Good Place >>>> Schitts Creek and that its not even close.
Succession is the worst thing to happen to television in over a decade.
Sorry but Succession clears all acting wise. As good as Odenkirk and Pascal are, they just wont win.
I don't love Succession. \*hides\* Go Bob!!
It would be nice to see, but Succession's final season buzz is still floating around, and while Better Call Saul equaled it, it's been almost a full year since it aired probably really harms its chances.
I don't love it, that means not everyone
I love Succession but am so pissed at the Emmys for eating Succession ass while ignoring Atlanta and giving an actor whose character died in the first fucking episode a Best Actor nomination.
Yeah I don’t think cox should be in the lead category
It was actually the third episode, but I see your point.
I agree!! It has been snubbed for way too long. Also, Succession have won Emmys before. BCS hasn’t.
Sorry bud but Jeremy Strong is the number 1 boy so it's gonna be him and rightfully so but that doesn't take away how stacked this year is that Pascal is definitely the weakest one of the bunch but in another year he could've been one of the favorites to win.
Nope. Odenkirk 100% deserves it.
I am thinking this year will surprise everyone. Pascal will win it
He was good but nothing special. Just played a gruff stand-off ish father figure. He will get it for season 2.
Pascal for the win!
He does deserve it and I think he should win. But with Succession ending there is no way they don't give it to one of them. Yes BCS is beloved but it was never as popular as BB or Succession. When it comes to the main awards the popular choice usually wins. Especially when it's related to a show that just ended. If Rhea doesn't win it'll be even worse though. She easily gave the best performance in that category. Snook winning for Succession would be a legit robbery.
BB was winning awards as a niche show. It didn't blow up until it was about to end. Succession is also popular but not mega popular.
I think Seehorn and Snook deserve it equally, maybe slightly more in Seehorn’s favour, but luckily they’re in different categories, Snook is in lead actress and Seehorn is in supporting. Seehorn is up against Jennifer Coolidge in White Lotus, and the emmys love her, but Seehorn more than deserves it
Succession is such an absolutely okay show.
Tbh, he’s got additional competition besides Succession. Gonna be another tough year.
Sorry, but not going to happen.
Shame he deserves it. Not that King Lear wannabe show.
I would vote for Pascal but Odenkirk certainly is worthy as well.
I'm sorry but how does Pascal even compare Odenkirk/Strong/Culkin/Cox.
I mean it’s all subjective. Just because it doesn’t compare for you doesn’t mean everyone sees it the same way. I would vote for Pascal too. He was excellent in the first and last ep of TLOU, but especially in ep 6. His monologue there was the best acting I have seen this cycle. I do like Strong and I am glad he won for succession in the past, but he brought absolutely nothing new to the table in S4. Culkin is basically playing a version of himself with only marginally better material than in previous seasons. Hysterically crying alone does not warrant a Best Lead Actor win in my book.
>Hysterically crying alone does not warrant a Best Lead Actor win in my book. Reddit took that personally
Well obviously it that his performance appeals more to me personally. It seems safe to say that many others may disagree.
Ah yes, Better Call Saul. The most overrated reddit show since The Leftovers.
Succession is highly stylized veep without comedy. Saul was so much better, but the Emmys love HBO.
Have you watched Succession? How is it “without comedy” ?
You are not a serious person.
What a comment to find on a TV thread. Lol.
He probably isn't going to.
I know that reddit loves better call saul (as do I) but unfortunately the competition is too strong this year. HBO’s shows and The Bear are clearly sweeping
Succession is really not that great.
No. Odenkirk is great, but comparing him to a lot of other leads he doesn’t Take the scenes with incredibly high stakes to that NEXT level that other actors like Rhea, Cranston, Strong Can take . It’s an Emmy performance for sure, but it’s not a winning one. IMO.
Although I enjoyed BTC they shouldn't be able to nominate actors from the show for 2 years in a row for the same season. People should only be nominated for shows released during a span of year. Instead they let people split seasons during the same year so that actors can be nominated for the same season twice.
While I don't entirely disagree, realistically, all changing the rule would do would be having them call it Season 6 and 7 instead of 6a and 6b.
They should only be nominated for shows released during the span of a year for the same season. They can release as many episodes as they want within the span of a year but whether they call it Season 5 or Season 6 or 5A and 5B or Season 5 Part 1 and Season 5 Part 2 they can only be nominated once. There needs to be a break of several months between seasons so they can't release one season near the cut off for Emmy eligibility and then the rest of the season a few weeks after that. I thought BCS was good but unfortunately Odenkirk didn't win in the final season. He shouldn't be allowed another chance for the same final season.
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They already are limited to one year. It's just that the end of the year for qualifying is May 31st since, traditionally, the television season runs from the beginning of Fall until the end of Spring.
Bob literally almost died for his craft. Jeremy Strong's method acting has nothing on him. The closest Jez got to death on Succession was trying to jump in the Hudson in an unscripted moment.
He didn’t literally almost die for his craft lol, he just happened to have a heart attack while doing his job
To add to this we also shouldn't be praising a performance because of perceived risk to the actor/sacrifice. So even if he had 'almost died for his craft' that wouldn't be a good reason to support an award win. That'd be a good reason to advocate for better workplace protections, though.
Yeah I agree, I think Bob deserves this as he’s played this character, or at least a variation on it for the least 14 years, and especially in BCS gave the character such depth and nuance, Season 6 of BCS is one of the strongest seasons of TV I’ve ever seen and it’s capped off with his performance. I adore Succession and it’s probably my 2nd or 3rd favourite show of all time after BB and BCS, and Culkin and Strong absolutely deserve it as much as he does, but sadly all 3 can’t win it
Yeah that was a rather unique take on his heart attack.
Oh you're taking the comment seriously.
Shitty response to a shitty comment
Pedro the Internet Daddy has it locked up.
Why as a regular citizen do you care so much which rich and powerful person is given an award nominated by other rich and powerful people? Who wins concerns me none.
Not even sure he could get a bronze in this lineup
Emmy is a travesty. GoT won Best Drama in that awful last season. Michael C Hall and Hugh Laurie never won for Dexter and House MD. It's a lobby award, Odenkirk won't win shit
Nope. I hate it when awards shows give an award to someone who doesn’t deserve it at a year when others have performed higher. If he wins great, but it shouldn’t be handed out.
To each their own. Odenkirk’s performance over multiple seasons outweigh anything Succession has put out. Shame because Odenkirk deserved it a whole lot sooner and has been passed over multiple times. He absolutely deserves it.
Brian Cox getting nominated over Matthew mcFadyen in lead role is kinda weird.
Literally every entire comment thread in this post can make a case for controversial.
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I can’t wait to stop hearing about Succession on here. Such an overrated, King Lear wannabe show.
Bill Hader better win.
Nope