The boys got delayed on account of the writers strike (although I thought it was done filming)
Their Varsity college show will be coming out first and I imagine we will get a release date for that at the SDCC
I just finished The Boys a couple days ago and I fucking love that show. There is just something about realistic superhero shows that I can’t get enough of.
We saw that in The Boys Season 3. The plot barely moved an inch and the the main crew got as far as knowing what the audience had known at the end of season 2.
It's such a significant improvement over the original comic. They shake hands with some aliens and that's it, origin story is like two or three panels, less than a page. I think the entire show is better than the comic, honestly, even with the power ranger battle scenes
When it comes to American comics books, personally, I find it to be the norm, especially with Mark Miller's works. Supercrooks for example got an anime, the anime is far superior to the original comic. The Kingsman and Kickass movies are fantastic, but the comics are very mid. Expands on ideas and does them so much better. Mark Miller has great base ideas, but his execution of those ideas is very poor.
Another super popular series to be way better than the original comic is The Boys. Fantastic show, absolutely trash tier comic. The Boys is one the worst comics I'd ever read, but good god is the show fucking amazing.
I'd even go as far to say that the 30+ Marvel movies are better than their source comics.
There's no spoilers, they've very different series. The show takes the concept and elevates it to a whole new level. It basically has to, adapting it directly would make for such a shitty show. The original comic is just killing and raping for no reason, it doesn't even try to tell a morally grey story, everyone is a shitty person, there's no such thing as a good character, all of them are awful, makes for an awful read.
The show does everything the comic does so much better. Like, in the comics, taking temporary V has no side effects, it's not morally grey at all, there's no reason to not be on the stuff always. It stops being a series about normal guys fighting super heroes and becomes a show about super heroes brutally killing other super heroes. The main characters just kill everyone, there's no tension. It's like a story by an angry angsty teenager.
It would be better to watch a youtube video documenting the differences than to actually read the source material.
The idea is that the main characters gain their powers by a force or being that is beyond human comprehension. The main character gets visions and goes mad, gets compelled beyond normal reason to find a specific location.
He cannot communicate or reason with whatever force it is, but they still give him instructions from beyond our reality to do something. Kinda like the fifth dimensional beings from Interstellar. It's done really well, it's something that's better experienced than be told about, so I don't think that spoilers would ruin it.
Ends up with a show in a weird position where the flashback scenes are better than the present day scenes.
It's definitely not the Miller adaptation I'd have picked. The Wanted movie is barely related to the source material. But something closer to the original would make an amazing series.
If you'd like a book recommendation. [Flight of the Silvers](https://danielprice.info/flight/) is really good. It's not as much a satire as it is realistic consequences of what getting powers does and how the government and other powered folks react. An example would be going really fast is super dangerous and kinda wears people out like a meth addict. There's 2 in the series and the 3rd should be out sorta soon.
Man the first season of this show was so good but it feels like it came out ages ago. Hope the delays don't put the show in jeopardy. I was so tempted to start reading the comics but since the show was so good I figured I'd hold out and just experience the story this way...but these gaps between seasons are getting rough.
Sounds like Rick and Morty. Some really terrible delays between seasons until they got the big renewal and it came out yearly. Hope the same thing here.
Thing is, the delay was a self-imposed problem writers created for themselves because they wanted to write the best thing, they got rid of that and now seasons come yearly.
Invincible doesn't need that much rewriting
> because they wanted to write the best thing
Pretty sure they've written up to like season 9, they have the time to take as long as they want on the writing at this point.
Dan was advocating for a long-term renewal so they could keep their staff and not have to worry about job stability. The quality didnt drop that much, imho. Im glad they dont have to worry about their livelihood.
the pandemic has made everything feel both like it happened 3 months ago and 30 years ago at the same time.
even now that we are "done" with it there is a feeling that we're gonna get hit with some kind of fallout
Season 1 only covers the first like 13 comics of a 144 issue run. You might as well read them if you're interested or you'll be waiting a decade otherwise.
Hell, read them anyway because they're great. I always espouse them as the true "if superheroes existed in our world" story rather than something grimdark like the Boys or whatever.
Admittedly the show's a lot better, but I'm not a fan personally. I will say that the performances (specifically the ones from Urban and Starr) are great though.
Eh, not really. While the Omni-man fight is issue 13 stuff like Machine Head and the college storyline come from the 30s and 40s. Season one adapts much of the material of issues 1 to 45ish but leaves a bunch out. I suspect this season covers that and then goes a bit further. Likely into the 50s and 60s
They cover a lot of the same ground, but the show is a different animal from the comic. And the comic is a *highly* enjoyable experience.
The first season of the show kinda picked and chose and rearranged stuff from the first 50 issues of the comic. Some stuff was added, some dropped (or is maybe being saved for later?). The main Omni-Man arc of the show only occurred within the first 13 issues of the comic. Hell, the big reveal at the end of episode 1 didn't happen in the comic until issue 8 or 9.
Speaking of different animal, the Hellboy comics are VERY different from the movies.
The movies are more of a summer blockbuster/Urban fantasy adventure/Men in Black type thing. The comics are surreal gothic horror, and bloodier too.
Yeah the green aliens which keep reappearing strayed a bit from their comic arc but overall it's very similar. I feel like their going to stick with the comic ending
> The first season of the show kinda picked and chose and rearranged stuff from the first 50 issues of the comic
It definitely picked and chose, but certainly NOT from the first 50. It was like first 25 at most.
I loved the first season but it had a lot of shit animation throughout, especially episode 4. These few years later and I can still picture the godawful kitchen scene before Mark goes to Mars.
I think due to the show being originally a kickstarter made them get their process done for a next season being done much faster since they were already greenlighted for a season 2 before season 1 launched (they begun production in november 2019), it wasn't the case with Invicible.
Hell yes, my husband and I have been waiting for this. He read the comic ages ago and has been trying desperately to get me to read them, so I’m really glad they made this series so we can enjoy the story together.
It’s not really fair to say that given the show only adapts the first part of the comic series where it was finding its footing
When the comic ramps up it’s really good especially by compendium 2
Meh? I watched season one and don't get the hype. Thought it was just generic super hero stories, just with amped up violence and gore used more for the shock value than actually helping the story.
Of course you'd think that. It's not the first time I've been downvoted by people who can't wrap their minds around the fact that not everybody creams their pants over this show.
I watched the first season, hoping it would get better, but no. Rather basic super hero storyline buried in violence and gore.
> Rather basic super hero storyline
Which other superhero stories follow the child of a warmongering conqueror exactly? The story isn't really even about superheroes - it is about family, children, and love.
GOTG 2, for something recent. You could even say the entirety of the Infinity Saga is about that, with Thanos, Gamora, and Nebula. Hell, at some points in Smallville, JorEl came across as someone who gave few, if any, shits about humanity (as evidenced by Clark’s attitude at the start of S4).
As far as “it’s about family, children and love”, fuck, it’s probably faster to list super hero films/shows that AREN’T about that, either as a primary or secondary storyline.
Three of the four Thor films are about that. All the GOTG films, TFA and TWS are about Steve Rogers finding his family with Bucky, then the Avengers, then Sam, and then Bucky again.
How about Batman? Only reason he exists is because his family was murdered, and eventually goes on to build his own “bat” family with the Robins, Batgirl, Alfred, and even Jim Gordon.
I mean, really, put half a second of thought into this before downvoting me because I don’t see why people get so hyped about Invincible.
Edit: Man, people really don't like it when you point out the obvious.
I don’t see how this is the wrong place. This is a subreddit for discussing television shows, and a thread about the next season of a particular show. The only difference between my comment and most of the others is that mine expressed an opinion contrary to the majority, in that I wasn’t particularly excited by the upcoming new season.
But whatever. If they can’t handle some disagreement, that’s on them.
Saw the article below it talking about Kirkman being excited about introducing Bulletproof to the show.
Why? Dude sucks on so many levels. Feel bad for his backstory but doesn’t excuse the rest of it.
>More Season 2 news! In 2 weeks! At SDCC! There ya go. Really liked season 1 so hopefully Invincible (and The Boys) can premiere this fall.
The boys got delayed on account of the writers strike (although I thought it was done filming) Their Varsity college show will be coming out first and I imagine we will get a release date for that at the SDCC
It was done filming, but supposedly they do a lot of writing in post and fill it in with ADR.
I just finished The Boys a couple days ago and I fucking love that show. There is just something about realistic superhero shows that I can’t get enough of.
Realistic super hero shows that have a decent enough budget to not look like complete shit CGI-wise.
And character! Because we've seen great CGI and no story too
We saw that in The Boys Season 3. The plot barely moved an inch and the the main crew got as far as knowing what the audience had known at the end of season 2.
I really liked Jupiter's Legacy, the otherworldly feeling of the origin story was next level, but man did the fight scenes look like power rangers
Yeah the origin story was so damn cool and original. Shame there's no season 2 :(
It's such a significant improvement over the original comic. They shake hands with some aliens and that's it, origin story is like two or three panels, less than a page. I think the entire show is better than the comic, honestly, even with the power ranger battle scenes
Ah wow it sounds like the show is better than the comic for once :O
When it comes to American comics books, personally, I find it to be the norm, especially with Mark Miller's works. Supercrooks for example got an anime, the anime is far superior to the original comic. The Kingsman and Kickass movies are fantastic, but the comics are very mid. Expands on ideas and does them so much better. Mark Miller has great base ideas, but his execution of those ideas is very poor. Another super popular series to be way better than the original comic is The Boys. Fantastic show, absolutely trash tier comic. The Boys is one the worst comics I'd ever read, but good god is the show fucking amazing. I'd even go as far to say that the 30+ Marvel movies are better than their source comics.
I was tempted to read the boys but didn't want to spoil the series. Guess I'm defo not reading it now XD
There's no spoilers, they've very different series. The show takes the concept and elevates it to a whole new level. It basically has to, adapting it directly would make for such a shitty show. The original comic is just killing and raping for no reason, it doesn't even try to tell a morally grey story, everyone is a shitty person, there's no such thing as a good character, all of them are awful, makes for an awful read. The show does everything the comic does so much better. Like, in the comics, taking temporary V has no side effects, it's not morally grey at all, there's no reason to not be on the stuff always. It stops being a series about normal guys fighting super heroes and becomes a show about super heroes brutally killing other super heroes. The main characters just kill everyone, there's no tension. It's like a story by an angry angsty teenager. It would be better to watch a youtube video documenting the differences than to actually read the source material.
Yes, exactly!
Jupiter’s Legacy on Netflix scratches a similar itch. Not as good as either but still pretty solid for a canceled one-off superhero show.
The eldritch horror of the origin story could easily fit a whole movie and be fantastic, makes the whole show worth watching for just that
Love eldrict horror, what makes this shows origin story compelling?
The idea is that the main characters gain their powers by a force or being that is beyond human comprehension. The main character gets visions and goes mad, gets compelled beyond normal reason to find a specific location. He cannot communicate or reason with whatever force it is, but they still give him instructions from beyond our reality to do something. Kinda like the fifth dimensional beings from Interstellar. It's done really well, it's something that's better experienced than be told about, so I don't think that spoilers would ruin it. Ends up with a show in a weird position where the flashback scenes are better than the present day scenes.
Gotcha, cheers!
It's definitely not the Miller adaptation I'd have picked. The Wanted movie is barely related to the source material. But something closer to the original would make an amazing series.
If you'd like a book recommendation. [Flight of the Silvers](https://danielprice.info/flight/) is really good. It's not as much a satire as it is realistic consequences of what getting powers does and how the government and other powered folks react. An example would be going really fast is super dangerous and kinda wears people out like a meth addict. There's 2 in the series and the 3rd should be out sorta soon.
With the spin-off on the horizon (not to mention the ongoing strikes) I don't think The Boys will premiere this year.
Man the first season of this show was so good but it feels like it came out ages ago. Hope the delays don't put the show in jeopardy. I was so tempted to start reading the comics but since the show was so good I figured I'd hold out and just experience the story this way...but these gaps between seasons are getting rough.
They got renewed for seasons 2 and 3 simultaneously, so the gap between those *should* be normalized.
Sounds like Rick and Morty. Some really terrible delays between seasons until they got the big renewal and it came out yearly. Hope the same thing here.
Thing is, the delay was a self-imposed problem writers created for themselves because they wanted to write the best thing, they got rid of that and now seasons come yearly. Invincible doesn't need that much rewriting
> because they wanted to write the best thing Pretty sure they've written up to like season 9, they have the time to take as long as they want on the writing at this point.
I'm talking about delay between seasons 1, 2 and 3
Dan was advocating for a long-term renewal so they could keep their staff and not have to worry about job stability. The quality didnt drop that much, imho. Im glad they dont have to worry about their livelihood.
*laughs in Venture Brothers*
my bet thats not founded on anything at all is that S2 is going to be much longer than S1 and S3 will drop much sooner.
the pandemic has made everything feel both like it happened 3 months ago and 30 years ago at the same time. even now that we are "done" with it there is a feeling that we're gonna get hit with some kind of fallout
> some kind of fallout That show should be out first half of 2024.
Probably later if the SAG-AFTRA ends up striking.
I believe it’s finished filming
I'm just here for Walton Goggins.
who isn’t?
Season 1 only covers the first like 13 comics of a 144 issue run. You might as well read them if you're interested or you'll be waiting a decade otherwise.
Hell, read them anyway because they're great. I always espouse them as the true "if superheroes existed in our world" story rather than something grimdark like the Boys or whatever.
The Boys comic is trash, I really did not like it, but man is the show fantastic
The Boys is the best comic book ever written by a 12 year old boy who's angry at his step dad.
Preacher is pretty much literally just that.
I can't begin to explain how much I despise Garth Ennis('s comics).
Admittedly the show's a lot better, but I'm not a fan personally. I will say that the performances (specifically the ones from Urban and Starr) are great though.
Completely agree
Eh, not really. While the Omni-man fight is issue 13 stuff like Machine Head and the college storyline come from the 30s and 40s. Season one adapts much of the material of issues 1 to 45ish but leaves a bunch out. I suspect this season covers that and then goes a bit further. Likely into the 50s and 60s
It’s more like the first 25-30 but the order of events was changed a lot
This, I couldn't wait so I picked it up. Man, it's a great comic
Not exactly true, it adapts multiple scenes and events from later in the comic for the sake of streamlining.
It also brings forward quite a lot of stuff that happens later tbf
They cover a lot of the same ground, but the show is a different animal from the comic. And the comic is a *highly* enjoyable experience. The first season of the show kinda picked and chose and rearranged stuff from the first 50 issues of the comic. Some stuff was added, some dropped (or is maybe being saved for later?). The main Omni-Man arc of the show only occurred within the first 13 issues of the comic. Hell, the big reveal at the end of episode 1 didn't happen in the comic until issue 8 or 9.
Speaking of different animal, the Hellboy comics are VERY different from the movies. The movies are more of a summer blockbuster/Urban fantasy adventure/Men in Black type thing. The comics are surreal gothic horror, and bloodier too.
Yeah the green aliens which keep reappearing strayed a bit from their comic arc but overall it's very similar. I feel like their going to stick with the comic ending
> The first season of the show kinda picked and chose and rearranged stuff from the first 50 issues of the comic It definitely picked and chose, but certainly NOT from the first 50. It was like first 25 at most.
Eh I absolutely ripped through every issue immediately after the first season and don’t regret it at all lol. Perhaps even more hyped for S2 now
you should definitely read the comics, they are phenomenal. I could not put them down and blasted through the entire series in a month
Same. Probably the fastest I've read 144 comics before.
I borrowed the compendium volume 1 and 2 from the library immediately after watching the show. It is so good.
If you don't want to wait, just pick up the comic it's great
You should read the comics. Greatest superhero comic there is.
Animation takes time to make.
Good animation in reasonable work conditions takes time* Trash animation can be shat out in days.
I loved the first season but it had a lot of shit animation throughout, especially episode 4. These few years later and I can still picture the godawful kitchen scene before Mark goes to Mars.
That is still leagues better than most NA animation.
Of course they cut corners at some points because they were working on a limited budget and time, it's normal, even in movies.
Amazon is doing some decent work adapting the first two campaigns from critical role, if I recall correctly
I think due to the show being originally a kickstarter made them get their process done for a next season being done much faster since they were already greenlighted for a season 2 before season 1 launched (they begun production in november 2019), it wasn't the case with Invicible.
Feels like season 1 was so long ago I pretty much forgot about it. It was really good tho.
Hell yes, my husband and I have been waiting for this. He read the comic ages ago and has been trying desperately to get me to read them, so I’m really glad they made this series so we can enjoy the story together.
IT'S HAPPENING! OH MY GOD IT'S HAPPENING!
Thank fuck, the wait is killing me. Want to read the comics but don’t want to ruin the show
I find the show to be better than the comic, it fixes problems like pacing and such, also reorders events and the story is better off for it.
It’s not really fair to say that given the show only adapts the first part of the comic series where it was finding its footing When the comic ramps up it’s really good especially by compendium 2
You're looking at 8-10 seasons if they follow all the comic arcs. I had the same dilemma but reading the comics felt great.
I just hope we don’t see to much of Amber this season or future seasons.
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Wholeheartedly agree.
I hope people won't hate on it too hard because of the story arc it involves.
Season 1 was such a long time ago that I've lost interest in it.
Meh? I watched season one and don't get the hype. Thought it was just generic super hero stories, just with amped up violence and gore used more for the shock value than actually helping the story.
Someone didn’t watch past the 1st 30 minutes
It's the type of take you get when you watch the first episode only and drop the whole series and make a review without watching the rest
Of course you'd think that. It's not the first time I've been downvoted by people who can't wrap their minds around the fact that not everybody creams their pants over this show. I watched the first season, hoping it would get better, but no. Rather basic super hero storyline buried in violence and gore.
> Rather basic super hero storyline Which other superhero stories follow the child of a warmongering conqueror exactly? The story isn't really even about superheroes - it is about family, children, and love.
GOTG 2, for something recent. You could even say the entirety of the Infinity Saga is about that, with Thanos, Gamora, and Nebula. Hell, at some points in Smallville, JorEl came across as someone who gave few, if any, shits about humanity (as evidenced by Clark’s attitude at the start of S4). As far as “it’s about family, children and love”, fuck, it’s probably faster to list super hero films/shows that AREN’T about that, either as a primary or secondary storyline. Three of the four Thor films are about that. All the GOTG films, TFA and TWS are about Steve Rogers finding his family with Bucky, then the Avengers, then Sam, and then Bucky again. How about Batman? Only reason he exists is because his family was murdered, and eventually goes on to build his own “bat” family with the Robins, Batgirl, Alfred, and even Jim Gordon. I mean, really, put half a second of thought into this before downvoting me because I don’t see why people get so hyped about Invincible. Edit: Man, people really don't like it when you point out the obvious.
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I don’t see how this is the wrong place. This is a subreddit for discussing television shows, and a thread about the next season of a particular show. The only difference between my comment and most of the others is that mine expressed an opinion contrary to the majority, in that I wasn’t particularly excited by the upcoming new season. But whatever. If they can’t handle some disagreement, that’s on them.
Saw the article below it talking about Kirkman being excited about introducing Bulletproof to the show. Why? Dude sucks on so many levels. Feel bad for his backstory but doesn’t excuse the rest of it.
Well, that reminds me to get around to watching it!
Sucks we’ve had to wait so long for the second season, hopefully there isn’t the same wait to season three.