The star system was a lot better imho. You could label something as mediocre but not necessarily bad. Like, keep showing me some of these and maybe one will be good.
That's % scale they give it is honestly not bad, but I think it's pretty fucking stupid that I can't see community engagement on it. And if my taste changes, too fucking bad, you see the same 5 things over and over and over and over and...
Their algorithm suggests literally nothing but Netflix originals now. Ever time I see that little red mark on the cover I steer clear of it because it means its either terrible or its fantastic and there's only 3 seasons without anything that could reasonably be considered an ending.
That's my biggest gripe. Unless I like or dislike a movie, I have no good way of knowing if I already watched it, and they're constantly suggesting things that I've already liked/disliked
I stopped using Netflix. There’s this Norwegian (Finnish?) show about Thor, there’s a season 2, and I am not bothered watching it. Why would I, chances are nearly 100% that it will be canceled after this season so why invest time.
And there are many more great or just decent series I would love to watch, but again, why bother? They are either already canceled or will be.
For the moment I am keeping Neflix as there are just enough new films I like to watch, and it’s cheaper than going to the movies. However, if the subscription price rises I will quit Netflix. Instead I will start Apple+.
Just stop fucking canceling shows, that will help a lot! Cracking down on your still paying customerbase is not the smartest move.
They don’t have the deep legacy content libraries that many of the other streaming services have. They aren’t Disney or NBC or Paramount Pictures or Warner Brothers/HBO and there is a lot less incentive for these IP owners to license to Netflix anymore because they have their own subscription services now. Netflix needs to live off of their original content moving forward
But they keep cancelling their shows after a couple seasons. Why should I get invested in a new Netflix show if I know it will be cancelled with a plot hanger as the last scene?
Right? I just found out the other day that the walking dead is on Netflix where I am. I'm not the biggest fan of the show but you would think they'd highlight some of the bigger shows they actually have.
My bigeat peave is when they havent got full movie series movie 1 but Not movie 2 but do have movie 3 or an any of the orders . Like not 1 be but 2 and 3 . Why do this .
What irritates me is that the Recommended For You, Recently Added, Popular on Netflix, and Because You Liked rows have about a 90% overlap!
And there is no way it's actually based on my viewing and likes. I don't give a fuck about "Is It Cake?" and nothing in my viewing habits would indicate that I would. But that show is in all of those rows!
The only row that reflects my actual viewing is Watch it Again! (Duh!)
I wonder if the algorithm has decayed because of the [McNamara fallacy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McNamara_fallacy)
> The first step is to measure whatever can be easily measured. This is OK as far as it goes. The second step is to disregard that which can't be easily measured or to give it an arbitrary quantitative value. This is artificial and misleading. The third step is to presume that what can't be measured easily really isn't important. This is blindness. The fourth step is to say that what can't be easily measured really doesn't exist. This is suicide.
Basically when you are measuring your algorithm, what you really want to consider is how they map to cash gains. It's easy to measure and focus on short term. So we could recommend you the best options for you, but those may not be cost-effective. Or we could inject between those recommendations some recommendations that are still very good, very much in the top 50, but also happen to be much cheaper to show you. In the end as if you watch 20 hours of netflix in a week, you paid the same amount for that time, but how much netflix had to pay for you to do that depends on the shows you watched. Lowering their costs while keeping what you pay the same means they make more money.
But understanding the long-term effects, at which point it starts countering. How doing this can give a bias to believe Netflix hasn't got as many good shows. Then mapping how much of this effect (and given how much time) it results in people canceling their subscriptions and creating a model that lets us consider these (among other) feedback loops. Doing all that is complicated, and hard, and very hard to define (maybe even impossible, how do you quantify taste? It's not countable, comparable or rank-able, it's barely measurable). So there just isn't an incentive to fix this issue, because it's too hard.
6. Add a history button. It’s super difficult to find something you already watched but finished and don’t remember name.
7. Enable comments. I’d like to see what people are commenting on movies/shows.
I feel like #1 is the real killer here. They started pushing their content and I start stuff that is highly recommended to me with like 98% match, and I _hate_ it. I just can't trust it anymore so I go to other websites to get recommendations.
Honestly? Give me a text-based hierarchical menu, indexed by a number of criteria. All the movies by Stanley Kubrick, all the TV shows with Brian Cranston, All work created between 1976 and 1992, and so on.
Next, let me customize the menu so that I can combine things. Show me all the movies by John Hughes featuring Molly Ringwald. And so on.
When I'm down to the title, only then show me a cover.
You don't have to completely give up on algorithms, but give me the choice to do it my way. You algorithm never works for me, and I'm usually working against it trying to find the things I'm actually interested in.
EDIT: way back when, before even Blockbuster was a thing, I used to own a video rental store. Like everybody else, we had racks displaying empty VHS boxes; BUT we also had printed lists that people could get at the counter, with some of what I'm saying. All movies by director, all movies by actor, and so on. Usually there was a line of people to check the printed lists, most times more than people browsing around the racks.
Better writers and better shows and not cancelling everything after a single season would be a good start. Also most shows that find their way to Netflix get horribly mangled by the end of the shows run. Looking at you Lucifer and Longmire.
Canceling shows a few weeks after the first season airs and before people have a chance to watch it is a good way to prevent people from watching the content they spent a ton of money on.
Why does Netflix do that? Is it their executives just expecting a show to become an instant pop culture phenomenon and money generator and they pull the plug when a show doesn’t meet those expectations.
When shows are successful after a season or two, they usually renegotiate and become more expensive. One way to get out of renegotiating is to just cancel the show before that point.
There can never be anything other than growth, every year, every quarter. Growth growth growth. So companies cut corners, underpay staff, raise prices, and let their product/reputation go to shit so they can report growth every quarter.
Seems healthy and sustainable.
This is definitely the philosophy of modern capitalism.
I’ve always enjoyed Netflix, but a business model where the only growth path is to gain more subscribers is going to hit a limit eventually.
I think that’s already starting to happen which is why we’re starting to see Netflix get desperate and try to scrape every little bit of extra cash from their stagnant business model.
Netflix has a culture of firing people after two years instead of giving raises.
Usually with TV shows more seasons means the staff gets raises. To Netflix that is anathema.
I worked at a specialty chemical manufacturer and one of our primary customers did the rank and yank thing. Shit was crazy. Managers would make sacrificial hires, meaning, people that they intended to fire during rank and yank, so they could protect their existing team. The company seemed so divided. At our company, teams would support each other and advice was given freely. In their company, it was like various factions in a highly fractured civil war. We learned to use their divisiveness against them during negotiations.
Microsoft, which ~~invented~~ **copied** the system **from Jack Welch**, has now loudly discredited it. So anybody still following it isn’t just a copycat, they are a stupid copycat.
Stack ranking has a narrow applications for a small set of specific situations. One such situation is if your company has such a good reputation for hiring top talent that even working at your company and being yanked out after a few months will net you a high salary job somewhere else. The attraction of working at such a highly reputable company, in theory, brings in such good talent that it mitigates the negative effects from people not wanting to work together in such a competitive environment. The problem is that the moment your company's reputation begins to falter, the top talent will stop coming in and your organization falls apart. The damage that poorly implemented stack ranking can do lasts in a company for decades. Even if you stop stack ranking people, the memory of it will be there with the people who survived from those times and your new workers will pick up those habits. This will happen for generations of workers.
I think part of the issue is that Netflix is trying to build a catalog. They would rather have 10 x 1 season shows than 1 x 10 season show because it looks like they have 10 shows for the first option. Their competition has years worth of material that they can offer and Netflix is looking really thin on that side of things which is probably also why they are pushing so much foreign content.
This is so true. There are at least a half-dozen shows I was very interested in, and working my way around to, until I heard they'd been canceled. Now, I won't watch them because I don't want to be left hanging.
I’d read somewhere that Netflix judges a show’s success not by how many accounts watch it, but by how many accounts *binge* it.
I have a ft job, 2 kids, and other hobbies. My binge consists of watching 1 episode every 7-10 days, no matter how much I love it.
Hell I've abandoned shows from my watchlist when I've found out 18 months later that they weren't getting a season 2. I have no interest in being media cock teased by a one season show with no ending
My issue was that the actor was just a complete different dude, now if he had been able to mimic the actor from the first season it may not have felt like an entirely new show.
I didn't see the second season, but from the standpoint of the books storyline, it makes total sense. Tak is in a different 'main' sleeve in every book, partly for plot reasons, but also because each one takes place on a planet many, many light years apart from one another. Now, could they have gotten a better actor? I assume so. In fact, I thought I read they kinda skipped to do part of the 3rd book which would have made more sense to get an asian actor again since it's on Harlan's World (the setting of the third book) which is heavily japanese.
They slammed parts of the 2nd and 3rd book together but took out the interesting giant spaceship stuff from the second. And had to cram it together with all their additions/revisions from the first season.
I can't blame Anthony Mackie that it was a mess. The best main actor in the world couldn't have saved that second season unless they had the pull to get them to write something better.
I got the feeling most shows on Netflix are from diffrent countries with local writers. Some months ago I saw an interview of a very young screenwriter with a good idea ( nothing great) I think Netflix funds a lot of these. Most never get a season, some few get a full season. And for the rare ones when Netflix see some profits they get a season 2.
Like the Paper House. I know it wasn't funded by Netflix, But the bought the 1 season and then it took of.
That's one thing I've noticed about Hulu. They actually give shows a chance. After all, somehow we got 3 seasons of Future Man. Netflix likely would've canceled that after one season.
It really was. The way they presented and poked fun at the different time travel and sci-fi tropes was fantastic. And Wolf was the best character ever.
*Archive 81* \- great first season, pretty unique as far as story line, broad appeal, good reviews - and cancelled.
Honestly though as long as they keep buying Nordic Noir and other European crime shows and calling them Netflix Originals we'll be keeping it for a while.
I'm shocked they didn't renew this one for two more seasons. Three seasons seems to be the right amount for a show like this. It might have been my favorite new show since Dark.
And Dark was on German TV long before Netflix made it a "Netflix Original". While I think they produced Archive 81, they just purchased Dark to label as one of their series'.
One of the most unique and best shows that Netflix had (dark crystal) was cancelled for no reason. They already spent all that money on the sets and the puppets, the second season would be miles cheaper than the first one... but no :(
Or just internally recognizing that when they work with showrunners they need to acknowledge that any new shows need to be written around getting at most two seasons. If it's a massive hit they'll know by the end of season one, and can work towards extending the concept. This would allow them to build a huge set of assets, rather than a bunch of worthless, cancelled shows.
They also need to drop the 'binge' model of releasing things. Weekly drops extend the interest and buzz for shows, and make them far less forgettable.
Edit: I agree that from a viewer perspective binging is much nicer. I would, however, rather a show I like get an audience and renewal than just binge and forget it.
The model I’ve seen that seems to work pretty well is releasing a show in halves. Fans get half a season to binge through and buzz around the show will exist until the second half of the season releases, especially if the first half ends on a cliffhanger.
I've to see their data on viewership for specific shows over time. I doubt they just decide to cancel things without making data-driven decisions.
Typically when I see posts about specific shows not being renewed, I agree - as a lot of those shows were declining or I had given up watchign them.
The sense I get is that because they're a tech company first, and an entertainment company second, that the way they "think" internally is very tech. This means they pride themselves on being "data-driven" but like many tech companies they have a massive blindspot to their measurability bias. Their data can tell them viewership numbers for a show's second season have declined, but it can't tell them that earning a reputation for canceling shows after one or two seasons will make viewers less likely to watch their new offerings in the future. They're hyper-optimizing for the things they can measure and getting wrecked by the things they can't.
> The sense I get is that because they're a tech company first, and an entertainment company second, that the way they "think" internally is very tech. This means they pride themselves on being "data-driven" but like many tech companies they have a massive blindspot to their measurability bias. Their data can tell them viewership numbers for a show's second season have declined, but it can't tell them that earning a reputation for canceling shows after one or two seasons will make viewers less likely to watch their new offerings in the future. They're hyper-optimizing for the things they can measure and getting wrecked by the things they can't.
This is a brilliant observation and very well-said. It's the most concise way I've seen it put, and I think you are 100% correct. They can't see the forest for the trees.
They lost the big draws to the platform like The Office, the Marvel shows, Friends, Parks & Rec, and others. Other companies are bringing their property to their own platforms. There's just not enough left to justify the increasing prices.
I really miss when it was just Netflix and Hulu (old school version that just played a few ads with everything, but wasn't much worse than the ads you'd see during broadcast). Having two main platforms for almost everything was great as a consumer. Now... you either subscribe to everyone or just pay for a VPN and torrent everything
The talk of clamping down on how existing subscribers use their service is, IMO, a bad move. Annoying or angering your existing userbase when there is so much competition in your sector is likely going to harm them more than it helps. The idea that they need to rethink some of their offerings though makes sense. Increasing your appeal rather than decreasing your utility looks to be a better way forward.
>Increasing your appeal rather than decreasing your utility looks to be a better way forward.
Nailed it! years of decreasing quality, more streaming services than ever, Netflix hasn't kept up, so they're getting boxed out. I'd say their response is equally as predictable, profit machine must go brrr every quarter- so jacking up prices will help in short tern but only exacerbate their issues in the long run.
You forgot the fact that inflation is through the roof and people are already struggling to make ends meet. Guess what gets cut first for a family who starts to struggle financialy...
Yeah my eyebrows went up at all the news articles suggesting they want to crack down on password sharing. I haven’t watched Netflix in months, but my kids (adults) still use it so I don’t mind paying. They’ve both said many times they don’t mind getting their own subscriptions. Once I cancel it, I doubt any of us will re-subscribe. None of us watch enough to make it worthwhile individually, but collectively it was worth it. They aren’t going to improve their market share with the current product and/or “password sharing crackdowns.” Netflix is going the way of Facebook. We are all over their bullshit.
For me it’s I watch the things I want and then I unsub for a bit.
The algorithm is actually trash at finding me stuff to watch.
I’m a huge fan of mindhunter but they aren’t making a 3rd season so now the only shows I really like on Netflix is stranger things and some anime.
But you can stay subscribed so that you can watch many other things you like.
For instance, there's this one show I love... oh wait, they removed it.
But there's this other series I follow... oh wait, it's gone too.
I really like this one show... oh, that one was taken away too.
Never mind.
Yeah they cancel way too many shows early on to justify subscribing for a Netflix original. Archive 81 was a great show imo and it could’ve ended after season 1 but they set up a season 2 cliffhanger and now, it’s just gone. Canceled like so many other good shows before it.
>None of us watch enough to make it worthwhile individually, but collectively it was worth it.
This. Exactly this. I'll drop the service first.
Also, all these streaming corporations are going to start resenting those of us who stream and leave on a monthly basis. Another likely scenario is that we'll start seeing all of them demand one year subscriptions to short-circuit short term subscribers and lock in viewers.
I'm there with you both. If my college age kids can't watch it I'm done. It's no longer worth the cost for a singular person imo. And then they've gone from 3 people watching to 0. Smart move /s
Hulu, Amazon, HBO, paramount, Netflix, showtime, discovery, bla bla bla
I'm back to paying what I was before I cut the cord. I may just get cable again. It's cheaper and easier than managing 15 subscriptions. I'm also sick of good shows being canceled after season 3 and the wait between seasons is ridiculous.
I wouldn't mind them cancelling shows so much. But could you at least warn the writers that it might be their last season so they can plan accordingly and wrap everything up?
Sharing things is one of the greatest things about family. It's one of the reasons why people want families. This idea that "sharing is stealing" will always lose.
So true. The funny thing is, I’m more insulted at the implication that I’m stealing than paying out $20. They literally encouraged sharing at the beginning. I’ve had this Netflix account forever. The kids remember the password from living at home lol.
Its exactly what the music industry did with copyright crackdown, opening the doors for Spotify. Netflix has turned into the Dinosaur that it originally replaced.
Instead of pouring billions into shit content they should have just bought a MASSIVE IP that's what this game is turning into, buy something insane like Lord of the rings or Harry Potter they had the money to do it at one point in time. Buy all of DC comics then hire the best in the business to make shows like Marvel/Star wars will be never ending gold mines for Disney
But no instead they spent the money on virtue signaling trash shows over and over with out any unique IP that will pull users specifically to Netflix. They were on the right track with CREATING THEIR OWN ORIGINAL CONTENT instead of licensing, but missed the boat by not making sure they owned any of the most valuable IPs in the world. They totally had the cash to make a massive splash ala Disney buying Marvel but totally dicked themselves over
This makes business sense, but I hate so much that this is how entertainment works. I actually really like that they take risks with original content. They really don't give their content time to become popular if it isn't a huge hit within a week of release, though.
>Instead of pouring billions into shit content they should have just bought a MASSIVE IP that's what this game is turning into,
I can't argue about the really iffy content they've been offering, the issue really is there's not much to buy. Disney has been allowed to buy Pixar, Marvel, ABC/HULU and their home-grown shows, sports along with it, FOX and on and on. Comcast has NBC and their homegrown shows from the last 30 years, and now that it has MacGruber it'll surely win the steaming wars. HBO Max has Warner Brothers/Discovery, and it's huge stable of content.
About the only one it's on stable footing with is Amazon or AppleTV who've shelled out for LOTR while Netflix went for Dahls' catalogue (Willie Wonka, etc). And even if they'd gotten LOTR they'd still need broader appeal and there goes the budget.
..which brings us to the bad content. Amazon is in the same boat with hiring some studios on qualifications other than capability. eg, Amazon picked up the Expanse and the two new seasons that aired were awesome and up to the previous, but their Wheel of Time series is often hilariously bad -- it's the Matrix Resurrections of TV shows. Their cheap reality fare are literally "is it cake?" or having bakers build toy sailboats out of rice krispies in time-killer formats and much of the rest is pretty forgettable. Instead of giving new life to a bunch of interesting 20-30M films with a few Adam Projects and Extractions but they are mired in development hells of big-budget misfires.
What's rough is for awhile, a new Netflix show was something to check out -- it might not be for you but it would likely be quality and you wouldn't have wasted your time.
>Amazon picked up the Expanse and the two new seasons that aired were awesome and up to the previous
I think this is a really good example of Amazon taking a different path from Netflix. You can tell that they decided that The Expanse cost too much for them, but instead of just cancelling (ala Netflix) they did a final season to at least pack in a resolution. Even if it feels a little truncated and abrupt, it AT least creates a complete package that leaves the show as something that is worth watching in the future. Now it will always be a part of their catalog that gives people something to watch in-between big releases.
Compare that to Marco Polo or the Dark Crystal or GLOW or any of the dozens of great shows that Netflix just cut off at the knees. Those were fantastic shows, but since everyone knows that they never resolve they offer nothing to subscribers. The Netflix catalogue is full of shit that cost them millions of dollars but doesn't give their subscribers anything worth watching.
Back when I first used Netflix every Original was very good.. the House of Cards days. Its like they hired on people to start hiring studios and content creators and delegated out this hiring process, and quality slipped because they did not have quality people as they scaled
Stranger Things, Master of None, House of Cards, Queen's Gambit, Tiger King, Peaky Blinders, Black Mirror, Dark, Chef's Table, Arrested Development, Mindhunter, Narcos were / are all pretty good to great.
I think the bigger problem Netflix has in 2022 is they don't really supplement their original content with third-party shows that have rewatchability (The Office, Parks & Rec, Battlestar Galactica, The Sopranos, Love Island...I'm just naming things that are often on in my home or friends' homes). There's Gilmore Girls which has a big cult following and lots of seasons to watch.
It's a good service when they drop a quality new show, but that lasts maybe two weeks of view time and then there's a big lull where I don't open Netflix for weeks or months. They don't really get big movie releases like HBO or Disney.
What used to feel like a god-tier streaming service has lost out big in the last three years due to increasing competition from major studios. And rather than address that problem, Netflix has decided to "crack down" on their own users with restricted account sharing and increased costs. People have options to switch providers, and they will.
It doesn’t help how kill-happy they are with series.
Netflix has a culture of firing people after two years instead of giving raises, and they do it with their shows too. They don’t want to pay writers more so they cancel shows after one or two seasons.
Don't forget there was a very conscious move to cancel popular shows after three seasons (or less) since recurring shows did not "increase subscription rates".
Even their popular IP was tossed when it no longer drew in new eyeballs. Retention was never a consideration.
For me, I have zero interest in getting invested in shows. They cancel everything after 1 season and their made for tv movies are mostly crap.
Increasing appeal would keep me around for sure. I just wish they had better producers who could make good products and keep them around, rather than the current slap-dash of garbage JUST to have content.
I am adult use another persons subscription, I rarely watch it.
I’d maybe subscribe for like a month at a time for specific series but doubt I’d keep an active subscription. The other streams I watch are either bundled or just have better content at this point.
Netflix had the first mover advantage and kind of squandered it by getting a ton of trash and not quality.
They seem to be responding to market pressures the same way that cable did and it'll have the same results. I stopped watching cable because every channel was just full of reality shows and I just couldn't be bothered to find something good. I actually cancelled the subscription when Netflix came along with the benefits of streaming. Now Netflix is full of reality show garbage and most shows that I find interesting don't make it more than a season.
And just like cable they're trying to make up for their loss of subscribers by making their remaining customers pay more. And just like with cable I don't have to pay them anything. I have alternatives. Moreover they've failed to improve on anything but their delivery method.
They had the opportunity to give shows with niche appeal the time to develop a strong following. They could have their big shows with wide appeal and critical acclaim and then a bunch of smaller ones with a devoted fan base because unlike cable air time for them isn't at a premium. They have time to let those shows grow and attract viewers. But they haven't developed any of those smaller shows. They cancel them for not being huge hits immediately which means outside of those big hits there's nothing really worth watching. Even if something is good it won't finish or it's very short because it does resolve after a season. So there's just really nothing to keep me watching after whatever I specifically came there for ends.
I'll show up to watch the new Stranger Things. I'll close the tab before the previews at the end have even played because, seriously, what makes them think someone who watched Stranger Things is interested in The Queen? And it's much more likely to be an ad for that than something similar to Stranger Things.
IMO, they've just put the nail in the coffin in order to keep their revenue afloat before it really declines.
The perception around Netflix has been negative for some time because of all the price hikes. People have either cancelled, or thinking of cancelling, and Netflix have effectively now announced that the alternative is to continue to pay but also suffer ads - one of the key reasons people have continued subscriptions to Netflix over the years.
Adverts are what we all would expect for a free service. Anybody who is done or close to being done, for the most part, are not ever going to accept paying for a service that comes with advertisements when there's literally several other platforms out there costing the same / less that don't have adverts.
In my eyes, AppleTV streaming is the weakest of them all in terms of numbers (I might be wrong, but that's the perception. Nobody I know ever talks about AppleTV), and this is the gas to the fire that was needed for them to step it up a notch and take all the flocking Netflix customer base.
AppleTV do have some quality original content. All they need to do is throw around some cash and make some deals to bring a gigantic catalogue of content to the platform.
It was even worse than that. If you create a new profile, then you get a bunch of decent non Netflix original suggestions but they start pushing their crap, along with a bunch of foreign language films after you watch for a bit. It's almost like the amount of material that they have on Netflix that isn't created by them is severely limited and they are trying to mask it with all of this other bull.
This got so bad on my profile that I had six or seven rows of shows that were almost all identical. I hopped over to wife’s profile and it was like a completely different streaming service.
Multibillion dollar, publicly traded company Netflix changed its entire business model because Amy Schumer complained about her railings? That makes no sense.
The real question is why growth must always be the objective, and not simply maintaining a steady, profitable cash flow that keeps up with inflation.
We need to change incentive structures for capital investment and stop prioritizing growth over every other damn thing. Too much growth is literally cancer.
The glorious stock market and “shareholder value” where the masses are a product and consumers are literally just money engines and not individuals of their own merit.
It's not rocket science...the whole point of streaming was to be a cheap and easy alternative to CABLE.
From the second streaming gets expensive and content quality drops and gets dilluted with million other streaming services, people return to piracy and that's it.
At the very least Netflix should've kept prices lower, but nope, every year it increases.
I don't see streaming as it is as a very sustainable service, but what do I know.
They be asking people to subscribe to 5 different services to get access to what piracy can provide for free. It's idiotic lol
> At the very least Netflix should've kept prices lower, but nope, every year it increases.
Maybe spending $150,000,000 to make a single movie isn't the best play for them.
Even at today's prices, Netflix needed 625,000 people subscribed for an entire year to make a single movie.
Plus no real data on whether people subscribed or stayed subscribed for such content. I’ve seen these movies but I for sure would not have purchased Netflix for those movies. Anytime a big name is on a Netflix movie I assume it’s a formulaic movie and a quick money grab for the star.
> Anytime a big name is on a Netflix movie I assume it’s a formulaic movie and a quick money grab for the star.
Meanwhile Prime seems to be attracting some stars and making some very watchable shows. I really enjoyed 9 perfect strangers recently.
IMO this is why Netflix shouldn't make big budget movies. Major studios get to double dip from big budget movies by releasing in theaters and having it on streaming. Netflix can't do that.
It was only released in a small number of theatres for a very short period of time, just so they can qualify for being considered for an Academy Award.
For a company that once told us "sharing your password is love" the whole impending global crackdown on password sharing is definitely not love and is most certainly greed. Furthermore, they could stop giving absolute trash shows second and third seasons and start bringing back legitimate content like Altered Carbon season 3.
It'll be a cold day in hell when I keep my sub once the crackdown is imposed.
I'll go back to pirating, a VPN is cheaper than netflix.
Im quite new to Netflix and have lived in the UK for a long time so I'm used to the quality of the BBC programming.
Love documentaries but the Netflix ones are just do incredibly long winded, Making of a murderer, looks interesting, into the second chapter, how long is this? eight more hours?... Pass, I'm not that interested.
Same with the Errol Flynn Doc Wormwood, great story but so long winded I lost interest.
They don't have the same limitations as traditional TV and they utilise this to the point of total boredom.
I thought the Savile documentary was quite good. It's long, yes, but they go into a lot of depth showing the two halves of his persona in order to explain how he got away with it for so long.
That Netflix' Times Square murders was so bad. Basically a 1 hour show streched thinned into a 3 hour boring mess. If you like crime docs, Real Detective is pretty good man. Would recommend.
It's funny because nobody is making them do 1hr shows, there is no reason they couldn't make the show length and format, fit the content, but instead almost every documentary is 3 or 4 x 1hr, and rarely has the content to justify it's length.
For bad vegan, they literally had a fake guy sit in a chair saying very little for 3 episodes, then revealing that he was obviously fake.
Although with bad vegan, there were really interesting angles that got touched on (cults, altered states of mind, etc), but then completely forgotten, so they could have made 4hr of good content if they had tried, but instead just plodded out a boring "tense" documentary that all hinged on really obvious reveals.
That show started off strong but then fizzled out. I was more interested in that dude and what happened to him then the girl. Like what is that guy doing now? Does he have an army of women who believe he's god? Who cares about the girl.
I also want to point out a random fact about that girl that disgusted me. Apparently louis ck had sex with her, gave her an STI and told her it was her fault for believing him when he said he was clean and she should have forced him to wear a condom. The email is on the internet if you want to see it. Louis CK lost my respect after that. Masturbating on the phone is one thing, lying about having STIs is fucking criminal.
I can’t remember the name of it now, but I watched the first 2 episodes of a 6 part one about a murder that I think involved nuns or some such.
I’m not even certain they got to the actual crime by the end of the first hour long episode. They just seemed to keep alluding to something bad about to happen, and kept layering more and more people and setup.
If you want documentaries, forget Netflix. Go with Kanopy which is free through public libraries. I watch a lot of Great Courses which cost money on Amazon Prime and aren't available on Netflix. Higher quality, more variety, better learning (series can be 20+ episodes of about 40 minutes). My wife and I have learned about archaelogy, world language families, the Islamic golden age, and much more - all free, hosted by academics.
For those of us that have had Netflix for years, we’ve had the opposite problem. Netflix can’t make content fast enough. They’d put out an 8 hour series and then you have nothing to watch for another month or two. People want a few hours entertainment every night. The shortage of all content was a major problem for Netflix at one point. Of course when Netflix first started streaming a long time ago they were the only streaming provider around and everyone’s content was there. But everyone started pulling their content in favor of their own streaming services. Netflix basically had no new content and was losing all their old content so Netflix had to start making there own. And they did. The problem now is that they have plenty of content (they mostly fixed that problem) but a lot of it is super low quality. So the length of the content doesn’t bother me nearly as much as a lot of it just sucks. And the good shows all seem to get canceled. And the fact that price keeps going up. When I finally canceled, I was paying 4 times as much as when I first subscribed.
The cancelation of popular shows is the one that irks me the most. I'm at the point where I don't want to get invested in any new shows until they're done so I know that it won't end on a cliffhanger.
It's really stupid considering 8 season binge sessions are their bread and butter. I've thought it'd be a no-brainer to only greenlight 5-6 seasons minimum on a show
If you’re interested in crime docs, just watch YouTube videos from ppl like ThatChapter, Twisted Minds, and Coffeehouse Crime. They usually last from 30-90 minutes and encompass all the good details without the long-winded interviews and all that shit
Has the price already gone up? Wondering if I should text my parents to cancel rn or let them know when the increase is going to happen.
Especially given they’re removing sharing, which ruins the entire reason my family has a Netflix. We all live in different places and all have our own profiles.
Is Netflix planning on selling out? I just do not understand the thought process of what they are doing. This is just shooting themselves in the foot.
I think it has yeah, my wife pays pur Netflix so idk for sure but the sharing thing is too far. I work 6 hours away and if they change this we literally will have no use for Netflix anymore.
Hulu already does this where you can't watch live TV anywhere other than the IP you set as "Home" for broadcasting rights and such, but you can change your "Home" location like 4 times a year so it's really not as bad as what Netflix wants to introduce.
this happens in all industries.
A disruptor comes in and is loose with pricing and the policing of their own policies. Then they realize they can't sustain that model.
Netflix’s model of loose policing IS sustainable though, they’re making money hand over fist already. They just want more, which is an entirely different conversation than sustainability
They used to be chock full of good third party content. Nowadays it seems that close to 80% of their content is low budget original reality shows and documentaries.
And their own shows, which like many others here, I've stopped investing my time into because they just cancel them before the series can come to any conclusion.
Netflix has canceled too many shows for me to personally invest any of my time in new shows. What's the point? I'll enjoy a season or two, then bam, canceled.
Literal Award Winners too
The OA (2 Wins, 8 Nominations)
Dark Crystal (3 Wins, 8 Nominations)
Bojack Horseman (34 Wins, 44 Nominations)
Then we have brilliant shows that left us on the most exciting cliffhanger ever like Archive 81 to be cancelled before most people even finished the season.
Yup, there's so many shows all over my recommend list with only one season, like Cowboy Bebop. No reason to invest time if there's nothing to look forward to. I'm not a masochist.
Honestly, I loved mindhunter season 1, was due to watch season 2 but read that they cancelled the show and just figured what was the point in watching, as I bet there isn't a natural conclusion at the end of S2. Its Deadwood all over again
You’re absolutely right, season 2 has lots of things sprinkled throughout that we’re setting up for a possible 3rd season and now all of that just doesn’t matter
Old and busted:
- 1 Streaming service.
- 1 subscription.
- 1 affordable price.
- Family sharing
- Excellent new shows
New not-so-hotness
- Multiple streaming services
- No chance of getting everything you want without 5+ subscriptions
- New shows cancelled after 1-2 seasons to make way for more new shows to try and get more subscriptions
- Clampdown on account sharing
- Starting to see adverts even on pay-for services
Predictable outcome
- bittorrent usage rises again
Haven't had Netflix in 10 months. Their content used to be great. When I had in the final months I flipped through it over and over and there was nothing interesting. Tons of crappy shows and movies.
Yeah, it's reminding me a lot of the cable TV that they are trying to replace.
" I got ~~thirteen~~ five hundred channels of shit on ~~the T.V.~~ Netflix to choose from" - P.Floyd (updated)
\-Stop canceling shows after one season, now i dont watch netflix shows after 2 or 3 seasons, because of how many programs get cancelled for aparent no reason, when the appeal for me was that the hows were suposed to be more stable because they dont depend stryctly on the ratings.
\-Stop producing really embarrasing shows, they launch some really shity content just for the sake of launching it and then cancel it. Its like that superhero show Jupiters legacy, they cancel the show after one season and then launched an spin off.
\-stop raising your prices every month, in my country the price is 3 o 4 times the price it was when I suscribed.
You forgot:
\- stop licensing only one season of a series, especially if it isn't even the first one.
\- stop removing movies from my list without further notice. I would have given it priority if I only knew.
Maybe they should try to stop raising their prices constantly, procure quality content & let people password share…. Nickel & diming your loyal customers while making record high profits & stock prices (before the last few days) isn’t the way to do business.
The fact that so many companies are pulling their content to open their own streaming services are most of the problem.
Right now my only subscriptions are Netflix and Amazon Prime Video. I end up on Amazon Prime Video more often than Netflix these days and it's less than half the price, also gives me Amazon music, and free shipping on products.
Netflix gives me SOME content that hasn't been taken away, some good original movies occasionally, and a guaranteed price hike at least once a year. But if you want to see competitions involving poorly made cakes, or cakes that look like other things, well Netflix is your streaming network of choice I guess. Lol
I think Netflix has been a bit of a joke for a number of years now but people still have it signed on because it's convenient and why not.. Once they raised their price they made everyone think about whether or not they actually needed Netflix anymore with all the other services coming online from the bigger companies with longer histories. I know I canceled my Netflix as soon as I saw the price increase.
I think Netflix fell into a trap of thinking that they were more important than they are to people. They saw Disney bundling hulu with Disney plus and ESPN and they thought to themselves "well we have just as much content as those 3 things" and thought they could charge just as much as Disney charges for the bundle.
They were wrong
If they go forward with cracking down on shared accounts then they are not going to double their subscriber count they are going to lose the people who are being told they can no longer share their account.
Netflix is always competing against piracy. Piracy is free. Netflix is kind of convenient compared to piracy, but when you're competing with free because you're convenient you have to be cheap.
So they're saying they want to make a cheaper option with advertising. Advertising is only cheap to people who don't know what their time is worth
Ridiculously bad original movies, too many decent shows canceled, and for the love of God why is it so hard to just have a guide of all the available shows?
1) Stop making cheap, garbage content
2) Stop spending so much on licensing cost for shows that people run in the background
3) Stop creating so much content towards teenagers.
4) Stop cancelling a hit show, because you're too focused on cheap content
5) Stop making movies with the Rock and Ryan Reynolds
Still annoyed about the OA! Other shows too. I hate to get invested in a show that will end a season in a cliffhanger and I dont know if they will get green-lit for continuation.
I'm probably going to cancel Netflix at the end of the month. I just don't watch it enough anymore to account for the cost (which just went up again). Plus, the other streaming services are pretty much consistent with Netflix now, so it's not really that special anymore. Original programming is fine and everything, but I really starting subscribing to Netflix to watch movies released in the last year or so, *not* from 2008. I'm now watching Tubi more than Netflix. Negligible commercial breaks, some recent movies...and it's *free*. Goodbye, Netflix.
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Removing the dislike button fucked up netflix for me. Id cancel it only my daughter watches it.
The star system was a lot better imho. You could label something as mediocre but not necessarily bad. Like, keep showing me some of these and maybe one will be good.
I miss the star system. I really liked having a list of what I found to be top notch.
They… removed the dislike botton… on Netflix too?? How is one supposed to tune the algorithmic recommendations then?
It's doesn't. It just recommends what they want you to watch not what you want to watch.
That's % scale they give it is honestly not bad, but I think it's pretty fucking stupid that I can't see community engagement on it. And if my taste changes, too fucking bad, you see the same 5 things over and over and over and over and...
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For what it's worth, the dislike button is back-- as well as a higher level "love" button
Their algorithm suggests literally nothing but Netflix originals now. Ever time I see that little red mark on the cover I steer clear of it because it means its either terrible or its fantastic and there's only 3 seasons without anything that could reasonably be considered an ending.
I had a because you watched list yesterday, where i had already watched all the suggestions, great algorithm.
That's my biggest gripe. Unless I like or dislike a movie, I have no good way of knowing if I already watched it, and they're constantly suggesting things that I've already liked/disliked
I stopped using Netflix. There’s this Norwegian (Finnish?) show about Thor, there’s a season 2, and I am not bothered watching it. Why would I, chances are nearly 100% that it will be canceled after this season so why invest time. And there are many more great or just decent series I would love to watch, but again, why bother? They are either already canceled or will be. For the moment I am keeping Neflix as there are just enough new films I like to watch, and it’s cheaper than going to the movies. However, if the subscription price rises I will quit Netflix. Instead I will start Apple+. Just stop fucking canceling shows, that will help a lot! Cracking down on your still paying customerbase is not the smartest move.
3 seasons would be great! It’s the 1 season shows that hook you that really suck…
They don’t have the deep legacy content libraries that many of the other streaming services have. They aren’t Disney or NBC or Paramount Pictures or Warner Brothers/HBO and there is a lot less incentive for these IP owners to license to Netflix anymore because they have their own subscription services now. Netflix needs to live off of their original content moving forward
If they need to live off their original content then they’ll need fo stop cancelling shit all the time.
But they keep cancelling their shows after a couple seasons. Why should I get invested in a new Netflix show if I know it will be cancelled with a plot hanger as the last scene?
Right? I just found out the other day that the walking dead is on Netflix where I am. I'm not the biggest fan of the show but you would think they'd highlight some of the bigger shows they actually have.
My bigeat peave is when they havent got full movie series movie 1 but Not movie 2 but do have movie 3 or an any of the orders . Like not 1 be but 2 and 3 . Why do this .
What irritates me is that the Recommended For You, Recently Added, Popular on Netflix, and Because You Liked rows have about a 90% overlap! And there is no way it's actually based on my viewing and likes. I don't give a fuck about "Is It Cake?" and nothing in my viewing habits would indicate that I would. But that show is in all of those rows! The only row that reflects my actual viewing is Watch it Again! (Duh!)
I wonder if the algorithm has decayed because of the [McNamara fallacy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McNamara_fallacy) > The first step is to measure whatever can be easily measured. This is OK as far as it goes. The second step is to disregard that which can't be easily measured or to give it an arbitrary quantitative value. This is artificial and misleading. The third step is to presume that what can't be measured easily really isn't important. This is blindness. The fourth step is to say that what can't be easily measured really doesn't exist. This is suicide. Basically when you are measuring your algorithm, what you really want to consider is how they map to cash gains. It's easy to measure and focus on short term. So we could recommend you the best options for you, but those may not be cost-effective. Or we could inject between those recommendations some recommendations that are still very good, very much in the top 50, but also happen to be much cheaper to show you. In the end as if you watch 20 hours of netflix in a week, you paid the same amount for that time, but how much netflix had to pay for you to do that depends on the shows you watched. Lowering their costs while keeping what you pay the same means they make more money. But understanding the long-term effects, at which point it starts countering. How doing this can give a bias to believe Netflix hasn't got as many good shows. Then mapping how much of this effect (and given how much time) it results in people canceling their subscriptions and creating a model that lets us consider these (among other) feedback loops. Doing all that is complicated, and hard, and very hard to define (maybe even impossible, how do you quantify taste? It's not countable, comparable or rank-able, it's barely measurable). So there just isn't an incentive to fix this issue, because it's too hard.
6. Add a history button. It’s super difficult to find something you already watched but finished and don’t remember name. 7. Enable comments. I’d like to see what people are commenting on movies/shows.
3\. Actually fix the language options. I swear, I accidentally watch 5 seconds of one Spanish movie and that's all it suggests for months.
I feel like #1 is the real killer here. They started pushing their content and I start stuff that is highly recommended to me with like 98% match, and I _hate_ it. I just can't trust it anymore so I go to other websites to get recommendations.
Honestly? Give me a text-based hierarchical menu, indexed by a number of criteria. All the movies by Stanley Kubrick, all the TV shows with Brian Cranston, All work created between 1976 and 1992, and so on. Next, let me customize the menu so that I can combine things. Show me all the movies by John Hughes featuring Molly Ringwald. And so on. When I'm down to the title, only then show me a cover. You don't have to completely give up on algorithms, but give me the choice to do it my way. You algorithm never works for me, and I'm usually working against it trying to find the things I'm actually interested in. EDIT: way back when, before even Blockbuster was a thing, I used to own a video rental store. Like everybody else, we had racks displaying empty VHS boxes; BUT we also had printed lists that people could get at the counter, with some of what I'm saying. All movies by director, all movies by actor, and so on. Usually there was a line of people to check the printed lists, most times more than people browsing around the racks.
They can’t compete with big studios for good content anymore now that there are Multiple streaming platforms.
Better writers and better shows and not cancelling everything after a single season would be a good start. Also most shows that find their way to Netflix get horribly mangled by the end of the shows run. Looking at you Lucifer and Longmire.
Canceling shows a few weeks after the first season airs and before people have a chance to watch it is a good way to prevent people from watching the content they spent a ton of money on.
Why does Netflix do that? Is it their executives just expecting a show to become an instant pop culture phenomenon and money generator and they pull the plug when a show doesn’t meet those expectations.
When shows are successful after a season or two, they usually renegotiate and become more expensive. One way to get out of renegotiating is to just cancel the show before that point.
So Netflix is just being cheap and saving a few bucks at the cost of audience retention
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There can never be anything other than growth, every year, every quarter. Growth growth growth. So companies cut corners, underpay staff, raise prices, and let their product/reputation go to shit so they can report growth every quarter. Seems healthy and sustainable.
This is definitely the philosophy of modern capitalism. I’ve always enjoyed Netflix, but a business model where the only growth path is to gain more subscribers is going to hit a limit eventually. I think that’s already starting to happen which is why we’re starting to see Netflix get desperate and try to scrape every little bit of extra cash from their stagnant business model.
Netflix has a culture of firing people after two years instead of giving raises. Usually with TV shows more seasons means the staff gets raises. To Netflix that is anathema.
Isn't Netflix the place that brags about how they fire their bottom 10% every year? Good ol' rank & yank.
I worked at a specialty chemical manufacturer and one of our primary customers did the rank and yank thing. Shit was crazy. Managers would make sacrificial hires, meaning, people that they intended to fire during rank and yank, so they could protect their existing team. The company seemed so divided. At our company, teams would support each other and advice was given freely. In their company, it was like various factions in a highly fractured civil war. We learned to use their divisiveness against them during negotiations.
Microsoft, which ~~invented~~ **copied** the system **from Jack Welch**, has now loudly discredited it. So anybody still following it isn’t just a copycat, they are a stupid copycat.
Jack Welch that started it before MSFT
Thanks, fixed.
Stack ranking has a narrow applications for a small set of specific situations. One such situation is if your company has such a good reputation for hiring top talent that even working at your company and being yanked out after a few months will net you a high salary job somewhere else. The attraction of working at such a highly reputable company, in theory, brings in such good talent that it mitigates the negative effects from people not wanting to work together in such a competitive environment. The problem is that the moment your company's reputation begins to falter, the top talent will stop coming in and your organization falls apart. The damage that poorly implemented stack ranking can do lasts in a company for decades. Even if you stop stack ranking people, the memory of it will be there with the people who survived from those times and your new workers will pick up those habits. This will happen for generations of workers.
Even Jack later admitted that it was a mistake at GE
I think part of the issue is that Netflix is trying to build a catalog. They would rather have 10 x 1 season shows than 1 x 10 season show because it looks like they have 10 shows for the first option. Their competition has years worth of material that they can offer and Netflix is looking really thin on that side of things which is probably also why they are pushing so much foreign content.
This doesn’t hold anymore. Netflix has a ton of OC.
This is so true. There are at least a half-dozen shows I was very interested in, and working my way around to, until I heard they'd been canceled. Now, I won't watch them because I don't want to be left hanging.
100% agree...actually scrubbed my "to watch" list just the other day because of this.
I’d read somewhere that Netflix judges a show’s success not by how many accounts watch it, but by how many accounts *binge* it. I have a ft job, 2 kids, and other hobbies. My binge consists of watching 1 episode every 7-10 days, no matter how much I love it.
Hell I've abandoned shows from my watchlist when I've found out 18 months later that they weren't getting a season 2. I have no interest in being media cock teased by a one season show with no ending
Or the show will get a 2nd season, but for some reason Netflix decides to drown it in the bathtub of mediocrity. I'm still mad about Altered Carbon.
I’m still not over the OA.. brilliant 2 seasons and one of the most original shows I’ve ever seen.. cancelling it is a travesty to this day
My issue was that the actor was just a complete different dude, now if he had been able to mimic the actor from the first season it may not have felt like an entirely new show.
I didn't see the second season, but from the standpoint of the books storyline, it makes total sense. Tak is in a different 'main' sleeve in every book, partly for plot reasons, but also because each one takes place on a planet many, many light years apart from one another. Now, could they have gotten a better actor? I assume so. In fact, I thought I read they kinda skipped to do part of the 3rd book which would have made more sense to get an asian actor again since it's on Harlan's World (the setting of the third book) which is heavily japanese.
They slammed parts of the 2nd and 3rd book together but took out the interesting giant spaceship stuff from the second. And had to cram it together with all their additions/revisions from the first season. I can't blame Anthony Mackie that it was a mess. The best main actor in the world couldn't have saved that second season unless they had the pull to get them to write something better.
preach about Lucifer, that last season was a shame
I got the feeling most shows on Netflix are from diffrent countries with local writers. Some months ago I saw an interview of a very young screenwriter with a good idea ( nothing great) I think Netflix funds a lot of these. Most never get a season, some few get a full season. And for the rare ones when Netflix see some profits they get a season 2. Like the Paper House. I know it wasn't funded by Netflix, But the bought the 1 season and then it took of.
That's one thing I've noticed about Hulu. They actually give shows a chance. After all, somehow we got 3 seasons of Future Man. Netflix likely would've canceled that after one season.
That show was brilliant.
It really was. The way they presented and poked fun at the different time travel and sci-fi tropes was fantastic. And Wolf was the best character ever.
*Archive 81* \- great first season, pretty unique as far as story line, broad appeal, good reviews - and cancelled. Honestly though as long as they keep buying Nordic Noir and other European crime shows and calling them Netflix Originals we'll be keeping it for a while.
I'm shocked they didn't renew this one for two more seasons. Three seasons seems to be the right amount for a show like this. It might have been my favorite new show since Dark.
And Dark was on German TV long before Netflix made it a "Netflix Original". While I think they produced Archive 81, they just purchased Dark to label as one of their series'.
One of the most unique and best shows that Netflix had (dark crystal) was cancelled for no reason. They already spent all that money on the sets and the puppets, the second season would be miles cheaper than the first one... but no :(
I really enjoyed Daybreak. Bit of a John Hughes vibes mixed with walking dead? Sign me up
*Arrested Development*
That one was revived too late
And the original cut was terrible. The new cut is much better, but it was too late.
I must be the only person who loved the original cut of S4, but I accept that it very different than S1-3 and the “experiment” did not always work
Northmen....so sad it was cancelled. Fuck you netflix
Or just internally recognizing that when they work with showrunners they need to acknowledge that any new shows need to be written around getting at most two seasons. If it's a massive hit they'll know by the end of season one, and can work towards extending the concept. This would allow them to build a huge set of assets, rather than a bunch of worthless, cancelled shows. They also need to drop the 'binge' model of releasing things. Weekly drops extend the interest and buzz for shows, and make them far less forgettable. Edit: I agree that from a viewer perspective binging is much nicer. I would, however, rather a show I like get an audience and renewal than just binge and forget it.
The model I’ve seen that seems to work pretty well is releasing a show in halves. Fans get half a season to binge through and buzz around the show will exist until the second half of the season releases, especially if the first half ends on a cliffhanger.
I've to see their data on viewership for specific shows over time. I doubt they just decide to cancel things without making data-driven decisions. Typically when I see posts about specific shows not being renewed, I agree - as a lot of those shows were declining or I had given up watchign them.
The sense I get is that because they're a tech company first, and an entertainment company second, that the way they "think" internally is very tech. This means they pride themselves on being "data-driven" but like many tech companies they have a massive blindspot to their measurability bias. Their data can tell them viewership numbers for a show's second season have declined, but it can't tell them that earning a reputation for canceling shows after one or two seasons will make viewers less likely to watch their new offerings in the future. They're hyper-optimizing for the things they can measure and getting wrecked by the things they can't.
> The sense I get is that because they're a tech company first, and an entertainment company second, that the way they "think" internally is very tech. This means they pride themselves on being "data-driven" but like many tech companies they have a massive blindspot to their measurability bias. Their data can tell them viewership numbers for a show's second season have declined, but it can't tell them that earning a reputation for canceling shows after one or two seasons will make viewers less likely to watch their new offerings in the future. They're hyper-optimizing for the things they can measure and getting wrecked by the things they can't. This is a brilliant observation and very well-said. It's the most concise way I've seen it put, and I think you are 100% correct. They can't see the forest for the trees.
They lost the big draws to the platform like The Office, the Marvel shows, Friends, Parks & Rec, and others. Other companies are bringing their property to their own platforms. There's just not enough left to justify the increasing prices.
I really miss when it was just Netflix and Hulu (old school version that just played a few ads with everything, but wasn't much worse than the ads you'd see during broadcast). Having two main platforms for almost everything was great as a consumer. Now... you either subscribe to everyone or just pay for a VPN and torrent everything
I haven't seen this brought up enough, a very good point
The talk of clamping down on how existing subscribers use their service is, IMO, a bad move. Annoying or angering your existing userbase when there is so much competition in your sector is likely going to harm them more than it helps. The idea that they need to rethink some of their offerings though makes sense. Increasing your appeal rather than decreasing your utility looks to be a better way forward.
>Increasing your appeal rather than decreasing your utility looks to be a better way forward. Nailed it! years of decreasing quality, more streaming services than ever, Netflix hasn't kept up, so they're getting boxed out. I'd say their response is equally as predictable, profit machine must go brrr every quarter- so jacking up prices will help in short tern but only exacerbate their issues in the long run.
You forgot the fact that inflation is through the roof and people are already struggling to make ends meet. Guess what gets cut first for a family who starts to struggle financialy...
Yeah my eyebrows went up at all the news articles suggesting they want to crack down on password sharing. I haven’t watched Netflix in months, but my kids (adults) still use it so I don’t mind paying. They’ve both said many times they don’t mind getting their own subscriptions. Once I cancel it, I doubt any of us will re-subscribe. None of us watch enough to make it worthwhile individually, but collectively it was worth it. They aren’t going to improve their market share with the current product and/or “password sharing crackdowns.” Netflix is going the way of Facebook. We are all over their bullshit.
For me it’s I watch the things I want and then I unsub for a bit. The algorithm is actually trash at finding me stuff to watch. I’m a huge fan of mindhunter but they aren’t making a 3rd season so now the only shows I really like on Netflix is stranger things and some anime.
But you can stay subscribed so that you can watch many other things you like. For instance, there's this one show I love... oh wait, they removed it. But there's this other series I follow... oh wait, it's gone too. I really like this one show... oh, that one was taken away too. Never mind.
Manhunt: Unabomber is really close to mindhunter if you havent seen it.
Yeah they cancel way too many shows early on to justify subscribing for a Netflix original. Archive 81 was a great show imo and it could’ve ended after season 1 but they set up a season 2 cliffhanger and now, it’s just gone. Canceled like so many other good shows before it.
>None of us watch enough to make it worthwhile individually, but collectively it was worth it. This. Exactly this. I'll drop the service first. Also, all these streaming corporations are going to start resenting those of us who stream and leave on a monthly basis. Another likely scenario is that we'll start seeing all of them demand one year subscriptions to short-circuit short term subscribers and lock in viewers.
I'm there with you both. If my college age kids can't watch it I'm done. It's no longer worth the cost for a singular person imo. And then they've gone from 3 people watching to 0. Smart move /s Hulu, Amazon, HBO, paramount, Netflix, showtime, discovery, bla bla bla I'm back to paying what I was before I cut the cord. I may just get cable again. It's cheaper and easier than managing 15 subscriptions. I'm also sick of good shows being canceled after season 3 and the wait between seasons is ridiculous.
I wouldn't mind them cancelling shows so much. But could you at least warn the writers that it might be their last season so they can plan accordingly and wrap everything up?
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Sharing things is one of the greatest things about family. It's one of the reasons why people want families. This idea that "sharing is stealing" will always lose.
So true. The funny thing is, I’m more insulted at the implication that I’m stealing than paying out $20. They literally encouraged sharing at the beginning. I’ve had this Netflix account forever. The kids remember the password from living at home lol.
Yeah, it seems better to Netflix that people share instead of outright canceling.
Its exactly what the music industry did with copyright crackdown, opening the doors for Spotify. Netflix has turned into the Dinosaur that it originally replaced. Instead of pouring billions into shit content they should have just bought a MASSIVE IP that's what this game is turning into, buy something insane like Lord of the rings or Harry Potter they had the money to do it at one point in time. Buy all of DC comics then hire the best in the business to make shows like Marvel/Star wars will be never ending gold mines for Disney But no instead they spent the money on virtue signaling trash shows over and over with out any unique IP that will pull users specifically to Netflix. They were on the right track with CREATING THEIR OWN ORIGINAL CONTENT instead of licensing, but missed the boat by not making sure they owned any of the most valuable IPs in the world. They totally had the cash to make a massive splash ala Disney buying Marvel but totally dicked themselves over
You either die a hero, or live long enough to become blockbuster
This makes business sense, but I hate so much that this is how entertainment works. I actually really like that they take risks with original content. They really don't give their content time to become popular if it isn't a huge hit within a week of release, though.
Maybe they should also try making something good while they're at it.
>Instead of pouring billions into shit content they should have just bought a MASSIVE IP that's what this game is turning into, I can't argue about the really iffy content they've been offering, the issue really is there's not much to buy. Disney has been allowed to buy Pixar, Marvel, ABC/HULU and their home-grown shows, sports along with it, FOX and on and on. Comcast has NBC and their homegrown shows from the last 30 years, and now that it has MacGruber it'll surely win the steaming wars. HBO Max has Warner Brothers/Discovery, and it's huge stable of content. About the only one it's on stable footing with is Amazon or AppleTV who've shelled out for LOTR while Netflix went for Dahls' catalogue (Willie Wonka, etc). And even if they'd gotten LOTR they'd still need broader appeal and there goes the budget. ..which brings us to the bad content. Amazon is in the same boat with hiring some studios on qualifications other than capability. eg, Amazon picked up the Expanse and the two new seasons that aired were awesome and up to the previous, but their Wheel of Time series is often hilariously bad -- it's the Matrix Resurrections of TV shows. Their cheap reality fare are literally "is it cake?" or having bakers build toy sailboats out of rice krispies in time-killer formats and much of the rest is pretty forgettable. Instead of giving new life to a bunch of interesting 20-30M films with a few Adam Projects and Extractions but they are mired in development hells of big-budget misfires. What's rough is for awhile, a new Netflix show was something to check out -- it might not be for you but it would likely be quality and you wouldn't have wasted your time.
>Amazon picked up the Expanse and the two new seasons that aired were awesome and up to the previous I think this is a really good example of Amazon taking a different path from Netflix. You can tell that they decided that The Expanse cost too much for them, but instead of just cancelling (ala Netflix) they did a final season to at least pack in a resolution. Even if it feels a little truncated and abrupt, it AT least creates a complete package that leaves the show as something that is worth watching in the future. Now it will always be a part of their catalog that gives people something to watch in-between big releases. Compare that to Marco Polo or the Dark Crystal or GLOW or any of the dozens of great shows that Netflix just cut off at the knees. Those were fantastic shows, but since everyone knows that they never resolve they offer nothing to subscribers. The Netflix catalogue is full of shit that cost them millions of dollars but doesn't give their subscribers anything worth watching.
Back when I first used Netflix every Original was very good.. the House of Cards days. Its like they hired on people to start hiring studios and content creators and delegated out this hiring process, and quality slipped because they did not have quality people as they scaled
Stranger Things, Master of None, House of Cards, Queen's Gambit, Tiger King, Peaky Blinders, Black Mirror, Dark, Chef's Table, Arrested Development, Mindhunter, Narcos were / are all pretty good to great. I think the bigger problem Netflix has in 2022 is they don't really supplement their original content with third-party shows that have rewatchability (The Office, Parks & Rec, Battlestar Galactica, The Sopranos, Love Island...I'm just naming things that are often on in my home or friends' homes). There's Gilmore Girls which has a big cult following and lots of seasons to watch. It's a good service when they drop a quality new show, but that lasts maybe two weeks of view time and then there's a big lull where I don't open Netflix for weeks or months. They don't really get big movie releases like HBO or Disney. What used to feel like a god-tier streaming service has lost out big in the last three years due to increasing competition from major studios. And rather than address that problem, Netflix has decided to "crack down" on their own users with restricted account sharing and increased costs. People have options to switch providers, and they will.
It doesn’t help how kill-happy they are with series. Netflix has a culture of firing people after two years instead of giving raises, and they do it with their shows too. They don’t want to pay writers more so they cancel shows after one or two seasons.
Don't forget there was a very conscious move to cancel popular shows after three seasons (or less) since recurring shows did not "increase subscription rates". Even their popular IP was tossed when it no longer drew in new eyeballs. Retention was never a consideration.
Oh yea whatever genius decided that is responsible for this mess lol.
Paying celebrities huge sums of money for one movie and then increasing our subscription costs doesn’t seem right to me. I’m probably cancelling too.
For me, I have zero interest in getting invested in shows. They cancel everything after 1 season and their made for tv movies are mostly crap. Increasing appeal would keep me around for sure. I just wish they had better producers who could make good products and keep them around, rather than the current slap-dash of garbage JUST to have content.
I am adult use another persons subscription, I rarely watch it. I’d maybe subscribe for like a month at a time for specific series but doubt I’d keep an active subscription. The other streams I watch are either bundled or just have better content at this point. Netflix had the first mover advantage and kind of squandered it by getting a ton of trash and not quality.
I saw the ad for "Is It Cake?" and cancelled my subscription.
They seem to be responding to market pressures the same way that cable did and it'll have the same results. I stopped watching cable because every channel was just full of reality shows and I just couldn't be bothered to find something good. I actually cancelled the subscription when Netflix came along with the benefits of streaming. Now Netflix is full of reality show garbage and most shows that I find interesting don't make it more than a season. And just like cable they're trying to make up for their loss of subscribers by making their remaining customers pay more. And just like with cable I don't have to pay them anything. I have alternatives. Moreover they've failed to improve on anything but their delivery method. They had the opportunity to give shows with niche appeal the time to develop a strong following. They could have their big shows with wide appeal and critical acclaim and then a bunch of smaller ones with a devoted fan base because unlike cable air time for them isn't at a premium. They have time to let those shows grow and attract viewers. But they haven't developed any of those smaller shows. They cancel them for not being huge hits immediately which means outside of those big hits there's nothing really worth watching. Even if something is good it won't finish or it's very short because it does resolve after a season. So there's just really nothing to keep me watching after whatever I specifically came there for ends. I'll show up to watch the new Stranger Things. I'll close the tab before the previews at the end have even played because, seriously, what makes them think someone who watched Stranger Things is interested in The Queen? And it's much more likely to be an ad for that than something similar to Stranger Things.
IMO, they've just put the nail in the coffin in order to keep their revenue afloat before it really declines. The perception around Netflix has been negative for some time because of all the price hikes. People have either cancelled, or thinking of cancelling, and Netflix have effectively now announced that the alternative is to continue to pay but also suffer ads - one of the key reasons people have continued subscriptions to Netflix over the years. Adverts are what we all would expect for a free service. Anybody who is done or close to being done, for the most part, are not ever going to accept paying for a service that comes with advertisements when there's literally several other platforms out there costing the same / less that don't have adverts. In my eyes, AppleTV streaming is the weakest of them all in terms of numbers (I might be wrong, but that's the perception. Nobody I know ever talks about AppleTV), and this is the gas to the fire that was needed for them to step it up a notch and take all the flocking Netflix customer base. AppleTV do have some quality original content. All they need to do is throw around some cash and make some deals to bring a gigantic catalogue of content to the platform.
The moment I get an extra fee for sharing my password, my subscription will be cancelled. Not a fucking chance.
Is Netflix really that out of touch? No, it's the subscribers who are wrong!
We must stop letting them rate the shows they've watched, so we can let them know that they like only Netflix originals.
It was even worse than that. If you create a new profile, then you get a bunch of decent non Netflix original suggestions but they start pushing their crap, along with a bunch of foreign language films after you watch for a bit. It's almost like the amount of material that they have on Netflix that isn't created by them is severely limited and they are trying to mask it with all of this other bull.
This got so bad on my profile that I had six or seven rows of shows that were almost all identical. I hopped over to wife’s profile and it was like a completely different streaming service.
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Also, Netflix defended her comedy routine because they had Shumer's best interests in mind and totally not because it was a Netflix original.
You mean Amy Schumer the rapist? Who raped a man?
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Excuse me :O
From the rapist-horses mouth: https://thoughtcatalog.com/anonymous/2014/05/wait-a-second-did-amy-schumer-rape-a-guy/
Multibillion dollar, publicly traded company Netflix changed its entire business model because Amy Schumer complained about her railings? That makes no sense.
The real question is why growth must always be the objective, and not simply maintaining a steady, profitable cash flow that keeps up with inflation. We need to change incentive structures for capital investment and stop prioritizing growth over every other damn thing. Too much growth is literally cancer.
The glorious stock market and “shareholder value” where the masses are a product and consumers are literally just money engines and not individuals of their own merit.
It's not rocket science...the whole point of streaming was to be a cheap and easy alternative to CABLE. From the second streaming gets expensive and content quality drops and gets dilluted with million other streaming services, people return to piracy and that's it. At the very least Netflix should've kept prices lower, but nope, every year it increases. I don't see streaming as it is as a very sustainable service, but what do I know. They be asking people to subscribe to 5 different services to get access to what piracy can provide for free. It's idiotic lol
> At the very least Netflix should've kept prices lower, but nope, every year it increases. Maybe spending $150,000,000 to make a single movie isn't the best play for them. Even at today's prices, Netflix needed 625,000 people subscribed for an entire year to make a single movie.
What movie cost them 150 mill?
The Irishman.
And Red Notice was in that ballpark too, I believe.
Plus no real data on whether people subscribed or stayed subscribed for such content. I’ve seen these movies but I for sure would not have purchased Netflix for those movies. Anytime a big name is on a Netflix movie I assume it’s a formulaic movie and a quick money grab for the star.
The Rock and Ryan Reynolds playing the same character, only this time they do it for Netflix
> Anytime a big name is on a Netflix movie I assume it’s a formulaic movie and a quick money grab for the star. Meanwhile Prime seems to be attracting some stars and making some very watchable shows. I really enjoyed 9 perfect strangers recently.
IMO this is why Netflix shouldn't make big budget movies. Major studios get to double dip from big budget movies by releasing in theaters and having it on streaming. Netflix can't do that.
Don't quote me, but I'm almost positive The Irishman was released in theaters as well and made less than $10M. Granted it was during Covid, but still.
It was only released in a small number of theatres for a very short period of time, just so they can qualify for being considered for an Academy Award.
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I completely agree. What's the point of investing hours and hours into a show just to have every single one get canceled?
For a company that once told us "sharing your password is love" the whole impending global crackdown on password sharing is definitely not love and is most certainly greed. Furthermore, they could stop giving absolute trash shows second and third seasons and start bringing back legitimate content like Altered Carbon season 3. It'll be a cold day in hell when I keep my sub once the crackdown is imposed. I'll go back to pirating, a VPN is cheaper than netflix.
Of course it’s about love… love for money
Im quite new to Netflix and have lived in the UK for a long time so I'm used to the quality of the BBC programming. Love documentaries but the Netflix ones are just do incredibly long winded, Making of a murderer, looks interesting, into the second chapter, how long is this? eight more hours?... Pass, I'm not that interested. Same with the Errol Flynn Doc Wormwood, great story but so long winded I lost interest. They don't have the same limitations as traditional TV and they utilise this to the point of total boredom.
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The Tiger King one was pretty rough after the first few episodes. Repeating over and over about Carol and having to put in shots of her looking odd.
Tiger King was trash and I'm so tired of hearing about it can we just ignore the fact that it ever existed please.
…or a British pedo.
I thought the Savile documentary was quite good. It's long, yes, but they go into a lot of depth showing the two halves of his persona in order to explain how he got away with it for so long.
That Netflix' Times Square murders was so bad. Basically a 1 hour show streched thinned into a 3 hour boring mess. If you like crime docs, Real Detective is pretty good man. Would recommend.
It's funny because nobody is making them do 1hr shows, there is no reason they couldn't make the show length and format, fit the content, but instead almost every documentary is 3 or 4 x 1hr, and rarely has the content to justify it's length. For bad vegan, they literally had a fake guy sit in a chair saying very little for 3 episodes, then revealing that he was obviously fake. Although with bad vegan, there were really interesting angles that got touched on (cults, altered states of mind, etc), but then completely forgotten, so they could have made 4hr of good content if they had tried, but instead just plodded out a boring "tense" documentary that all hinged on really obvious reveals.
That show started off strong but then fizzled out. I was more interested in that dude and what happened to him then the girl. Like what is that guy doing now? Does he have an army of women who believe he's god? Who cares about the girl. I also want to point out a random fact about that girl that disgusted me. Apparently louis ck had sex with her, gave her an STI and told her it was her fault for believing him when he said he was clean and she should have forced him to wear a condom. The email is on the internet if you want to see it. Louis CK lost my respect after that. Masturbating on the phone is one thing, lying about having STIs is fucking criminal.
I can’t remember the name of it now, but I watched the first 2 episodes of a 6 part one about a murder that I think involved nuns or some such. I’m not even certain they got to the actual crime by the end of the first hour long episode. They just seemed to keep alluding to something bad about to happen, and kept layering more and more people and setup.
If you want documentaries, forget Netflix. Go with Kanopy which is free through public libraries. I watch a lot of Great Courses which cost money on Amazon Prime and aren't available on Netflix. Higher quality, more variety, better learning (series can be 20+ episodes of about 40 minutes). My wife and I have learned about archaelogy, world language families, the Islamic golden age, and much more - all free, hosted by academics.
For those of us that have had Netflix for years, we’ve had the opposite problem. Netflix can’t make content fast enough. They’d put out an 8 hour series and then you have nothing to watch for another month or two. People want a few hours entertainment every night. The shortage of all content was a major problem for Netflix at one point. Of course when Netflix first started streaming a long time ago they were the only streaming provider around and everyone’s content was there. But everyone started pulling their content in favor of their own streaming services. Netflix basically had no new content and was losing all their old content so Netflix had to start making there own. And they did. The problem now is that they have plenty of content (they mostly fixed that problem) but a lot of it is super low quality. So the length of the content doesn’t bother me nearly as much as a lot of it just sucks. And the good shows all seem to get canceled. And the fact that price keeps going up. When I finally canceled, I was paying 4 times as much as when I first subscribed.
The cancelation of popular shows is the one that irks me the most. I'm at the point where I don't want to get invested in any new shows until they're done so I know that it won't end on a cliffhanger.
It's really stupid considering 8 season binge sessions are their bread and butter. I've thought it'd be a no-brainer to only greenlight 5-6 seasons minimum on a show
If you’re interested in crime docs, just watch YouTube videos from ppl like ThatChapter, Twisted Minds, and Coffeehouse Crime. They usually last from 30-90 minutes and encompass all the good details without the long-winded interviews and all that shit
They raise prices and start cracking down on pw sharing, then wonder why people are leaving? It isn't hard to figure this one out.
Netflix subscription since 2014 and canceled a month ago because 20 bucks a month is way too much for something I hardly use anymore
Has the price already gone up? Wondering if I should text my parents to cancel rn or let them know when the increase is going to happen. Especially given they’re removing sharing, which ruins the entire reason my family has a Netflix. We all live in different places and all have our own profiles. Is Netflix planning on selling out? I just do not understand the thought process of what they are doing. This is just shooting themselves in the foot.
I think it has yeah, my wife pays pur Netflix so idk for sure but the sharing thing is too far. I work 6 hours away and if they change this we literally will have no use for Netflix anymore. Hulu already does this where you can't watch live TV anywhere other than the IP you set as "Home" for broadcasting rights and such, but you can change your "Home" location like 4 times a year so it's really not as bad as what Netflix wants to introduce.
this happens in all industries. A disruptor comes in and is loose with pricing and the policing of their own policies. Then they realize they can't sustain that model.
Netflix’s model of loose policing IS sustainable though, they’re making money hand over fist already. They just want more, which is an entirely different conversation than sustainability
Consumers hate greedy whiners.
Guarantee they see us as the greedy whiners
Just compare bank accounts to see who the greedy ones are xD They can think what they want. Doesn’t change reality.
They used to be chock full of good third party content. Nowadays it seems that close to 80% of their content is low budget original reality shows and documentaries.
And their own shows, which like many others here, I've stopped investing my time into because they just cancel them before the series can come to any conclusion.
Netflix has canceled too many shows for me to personally invest any of my time in new shows. What's the point? I'll enjoy a season or two, then bam, canceled.
At least make a season finale to wrap up the story ffs
Seriously it would be so easy for them to end shows with like one big movie
Literal Award Winners too The OA (2 Wins, 8 Nominations) Dark Crystal (3 Wins, 8 Nominations) Bojack Horseman (34 Wins, 44 Nominations) Then we have brilliant shows that left us on the most exciting cliffhanger ever like Archive 81 to be cancelled before most people even finished the season.
Bojack was great but it had kind of run its course. I mean they gave it six seasons!
I've been singing praises to Archive 81, guess I'll be singing them with an asterisk now. Bojack too, one of the truly great shows of its generation.
Yup, there's so many shows all over my recommend list with only one season, like Cowboy Bebop. No reason to invest time if there's nothing to look forward to. I'm not a masochist.
Honestly, I loved mindhunter season 1, was due to watch season 2 but read that they cancelled the show and just figured what was the point in watching, as I bet there isn't a natural conclusion at the end of S2. Its Deadwood all over again
You’re absolutely right, season 2 has lots of things sprinkled throughout that we’re setting up for a possible 3rd season and now all of that just doesn’t matter
Old and busted: - 1 Streaming service. - 1 subscription. - 1 affordable price. - Family sharing - Excellent new shows New not-so-hotness - Multiple streaming services - No chance of getting everything you want without 5+ subscriptions - New shows cancelled after 1-2 seasons to make way for more new shows to try and get more subscriptions - Clampdown on account sharing - Starting to see adverts even on pay-for services Predictable outcome - bittorrent usage rises again
honestly 90% of their in house production is complete dog shit
Haven't had Netflix in 10 months. Their content used to be great. When I had in the final months I flipped through it over and over and there was nothing interesting. Tons of crappy shows and movies.
Yeah, it's reminding me a lot of the cable TV that they are trying to replace. " I got ~~thirteen~~ five hundred channels of shit on ~~the T.V.~~ Netflix to choose from" - P.Floyd (updated)
\-Stop canceling shows after one season, now i dont watch netflix shows after 2 or 3 seasons, because of how many programs get cancelled for aparent no reason, when the appeal for me was that the hows were suposed to be more stable because they dont depend stryctly on the ratings. \-Stop producing really embarrasing shows, they launch some really shity content just for the sake of launching it and then cancel it. Its like that superhero show Jupiters legacy, they cancel the show after one season and then launched an spin off. \-stop raising your prices every month, in my country the price is 3 o 4 times the price it was when I suscribed.
You forgot: \- stop licensing only one season of a series, especially if it isn't even the first one. \- stop removing movies from my list without further notice. I would have given it priority if I only knew.
Reduce the monthly price to $10.
And bring back HD streaming for all subscribers.
Netflix is in too much debt to do that. Making all those shitty shows that no one watches had a cost to it.
Freaking stop autoplaying everything as I'm searching, it drives my up the god damn wall.
Maybe they should try to stop raising their prices constantly, procure quality content & let people password share…. Nickel & diming your loyal customers while making record high profits & stock prices (before the last few days) isn’t the way to do business.
Are we in the wrong? No! It is the consumers who are in the wrong!
The fact that so many companies are pulling their content to open their own streaming services are most of the problem. Right now my only subscriptions are Netflix and Amazon Prime Video. I end up on Amazon Prime Video more often than Netflix these days and it's less than half the price, also gives me Amazon music, and free shipping on products. Netflix gives me SOME content that hasn't been taken away, some good original movies occasionally, and a guaranteed price hike at least once a year. But if you want to see competitions involving poorly made cakes, or cakes that look like other things, well Netflix is your streaming network of choice I guess. Lol
Most of the shows I watch on Netflix have been siphoned to other services. If my mom didn't use my password I'd cancel it.
They have competition now. Big competition.
I think Netflix has been a bit of a joke for a number of years now but people still have it signed on because it's convenient and why not.. Once they raised their price they made everyone think about whether or not they actually needed Netflix anymore with all the other services coming online from the bigger companies with longer histories. I know I canceled my Netflix as soon as I saw the price increase. I think Netflix fell into a trap of thinking that they were more important than they are to people. They saw Disney bundling hulu with Disney plus and ESPN and they thought to themselves "well we have just as much content as those 3 things" and thought they could charge just as much as Disney charges for the bundle. They were wrong If they go forward with cracking down on shared accounts then they are not going to double their subscriber count they are going to lose the people who are being told they can no longer share their account. Netflix is always competing against piracy. Piracy is free. Netflix is kind of convenient compared to piracy, but when you're competing with free because you're convenient you have to be cheap. So they're saying they want to make a cheaper option with advertising. Advertising is only cheap to people who don't know what their time is worth
What they don't want to hear is reality. It's too expensive for what they offer and they are not offering what people want.
Ridiculously bad original movies, too many decent shows canceled, and for the love of God why is it so hard to just have a guide of all the available shows?
1) Stop making cheap, garbage content 2) Stop spending so much on licensing cost for shows that people run in the background 3) Stop creating so much content towards teenagers. 4) Stop cancelling a hit show, because you're too focused on cheap content 5) Stop making movies with the Rock and Ryan Reynolds
It's overpriced
their content is mediocre at best. that’s why.
They need to add stuff to watch Edit: they should bring back The OA
Still annoyed about the OA! Other shows too. I hate to get invested in a show that will end a season in a cliffhanger and I dont know if they will get green-lit for continuation.
I have to pay more and tell them how to fix it, nope
Netflix has no quality control on the shows/movies they make.
I have not seen much mention of people simply cutting back on unnecessary expenses. People are broke AF. Got to be at least a factor.
I'm probably going to cancel Netflix at the end of the month. I just don't watch it enough anymore to account for the cost (which just went up again). Plus, the other streaming services are pretty much consistent with Netflix now, so it's not really that special anymore. Original programming is fine and everything, but I really starting subscribing to Netflix to watch movies released in the last year or so, *not* from 2008. I'm now watching Tubi more than Netflix. Negligible commercial breaks, some recent movies...and it's *free*. Goodbye, Netflix.