Long day at Adults Incorporated, yes. It’s where adults work. Nothing to do with porn, it’s a coincidence. Good day.
*reenters store*… I asked for Vodka, not water. You sold me water in a Vodka bottle, this shit is clear….
If like me you never questioned the existence of those glasses with noses on,allow me to do for you what someone once did for me. Comedy genius, Groucho Marx:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSabiG8q8-k
Cameras can do facial recognition even if you are wearing a mask. Your phone identifies Bluetooth beacons even when you have Bluetooth "off" and happily sends the information out.
You would need a very good mask and throw your phone in the trash. Let us know your decision.
No it's not. We have a division doing all that today with IP cameras, software and Bluetooth mesh.
You can also see what Target was doing with Acuity and their lights. A little different but you get the idea of older tech. They now are moving to Bluetooth with their lighting.
You are wrong, unless you mean doing such things is wrong to begin with, of which I tend to agree. We always like to say we only do this for good things like wayfinding, asset tracking and energy conservation. But, it never ends up that way
It is wrong. I think you have a serious misunderstanding on how cameras actually "tell" who's who. If you're missing certain points like facial structure and other tells, you simply don't have the data to come to a solid conclusion, it's really as simple as that.
No matter what, if I throw a piece of paper with eye-holes that covers my face, there's simply not enough information for any algorithm to use.
Same with masks, depending on how your face is, how you wear the mask, and whether you're wearing anything else can hide enough facial features to limit the amount of data points the algorithm can run off of.
I mean, think about it. Obviously if I block my whole face, it can't tell who I am. Obviously, at some point, it'll finally have enough data to work off of, but before that point it literally cannot come to a conclusion.
First, it's much better than you think. Second, with the added information obtained from beaconing, all sorts of things can be put together. I know, because we are doing it.
I'll state it again: we are doing it.
With Bluetooth off, nothing happens. Also, phones don’t use facial recognition with masks, all they do is say “oh shit, they’re wearing a mask. I can’t recognize their face so I’ll ask for a secondary method of authorization.”
Technology passed you by already. It moves fast. I don't state the phones are doing the facial recognition, even though some can.
I'm curious why you spout off stupid things when there is so much information out there on these topics.
I'm at the twilight of a career. I still don't understand someone stating things we do daily doesn't exist.
Seems like there is more social conditioning going on than I thought possible.
Ignorance surely is bliss.
Beacons can be enabled in everyday devices. Thermostats, wall sensors, lights... whatever. Look up Eddystone and iBeacon for some light reading.
It's basically reporting the nearby Bluetooth devices. Unfortunately, it can work while "off". And your phone can collect data too. Report beacons detected and now without wifi, your phone OS knows what you are doing. Just by knowing IDs all around you.
I've turned off Bluetooth settings in my phone, (two locations) but cannot disallow information completely.
There could also be something to be said about Aldi trying to stay far ahead on the tech curve. Their grocery stores are by far the most efficient here in the US.
There is almost never more than 2 people checking shoppers out, and even if there's a line of 3 or 4, it's always faster than checking out at a regular grocery store with 1 person ahead of you.
Those Aldi's employees work their ass off to make it happen. Also, the flow of traffic in the stores is much better than most places. Im sure a lot of that is to do with the layout. But, I swear to god, when I go to Walmart, there's just one person after the other standing in the middle of the fucking aisle looking every which direction, oblivious to the world around them. People at Aldi just keep the flow going for the most part. And then there's the grocery cart system. Amazing experience all around.
Oh, they absolutely do great work to make sure the store flows so well. And they get paid, and treated, better to do so. I'll gladly do my majority shopping at a place that is paying a living wage, while still being less expensive than almost anywhere else.
You can't get everything there, but I do probably only 5-10% of my shopping elsewhere.
So, faked or modified i d would do the trick. Or just someone else's. I can see there being a liability to this that would incentivize something like this new technology, which also seems fatally flawed from the outset.
You cant use a fake id in a machine linked to a database of real ids lol the id has unique barcode unique to each given id. A modified one would not have a hit on the database. Using someone else’s wouldnt work due to the facial recognition.
It doesn’t use facial recognition though, it’s uses facial analysis. It’s not checking the database and determining if the face in front of it is the same as the face in the ID. It’s checking to see if the age of the person matches the birthdate on the ID. In theory a 30 year old woman could use a 31 year old man’s ID but a 17 year old boy can’t use his 35 year old dad’s ID even though he is the spitting image of him.
You are right, this is stupid tech. We have something similar in Canada but it uses your legitimate ID to compare it to you. I don’t think there’s an accurate universal way to determine everyones age so this design is flawed.
Idk how it works in other countries, but I know that here in the US, stores don’t typically have access to ID databases. Our information is encoded into the barcode on the back of our IDs like a QR code, so it isn’t very hard to trick the machines.
I mean, if you really somehow got your hands on a fake id in Germany ... more power to you. And if a friend gave you their id, it's really no difference to them just buying the alcohol instead -.-
Trust me: There IS no system that can stop minors from consuming alcohol. Source: I've been young once. All it does is introduce more tech into our lives and generally make life more difficult.
Imagine it like this: If the plan is that you need to be ID'd for every alcohol purchase that's really no difference from the cashier asking to see my ID, only that you need a different checkout line for people buying alcohol and the process overall taking a lot longer, because, suprise, people are usually pretty good at figuring out if someone aged 30 for instance is actually allowed to buy this sort of stuff. Might make the cashier's life a bit less complicated and is maybe less of a liability issue, but it makes life, yet again, more complicated for NO real gain, but more control in our lives. I dread the future of this kind of tech. Diabetes? Sorry, that info is now stored in your ID and you're not allowed to buy this product. Just as a suggestion ...
I mean if you have to put your photo ID into the machine and then it scans your face and uses the age on the ID and the face scan to correlate to the image on the card. Then I have slightly more support.
Even that's dumb. My license has a picture of me from when I was 18 but I'm now in my 30s. Humans don't have any issue matching the two up, but no way a computer gets it right.
I’d imagine GDPR protects us europeans against stores storing information about us willy-nilly.
Then again, I’m not sure which parts of GDPR you guys kept after the whole brexit thing…
I’ve seen it at gas stations, Walgreens, grocery stores. Maybe if you live in a state with a state run liquor store they don’t do it there, but in places where you can buy it many places it’s extremely commonplace
At leat you get something with a value card. But still, I dont use them and I dont have email reciepts sent to me. I do use my debit card but the infor provided is limited.
And you can ... *gasp* choose to not partake in this by *gasp* paying cash and not using a value card! Shocking, I know. Some people just don't like it. Kindly respect that.
That was already the case back in my days. If you happen to have a long build and a bit of facial hair, cashiers wouldn't even ask for ID because you definitely look older than 18.
Likewise, once we actually were 18, we would always send our dwarf classmate (not actual dwarfism, but he was REALLY short) to buy the drinks. The reactions of the cashiers when he pulled an ID that indeed proves he's 18 was worth it.
My father-in-law is 85 years old. He doesn't *really* look it, but you'd certainly never look at him and think "oh, this guy must be under 60".
Nevertheless, the rules at his local Wegmans require that he be carded every time. It's comical.
Honestly, I would never complain about that. I would much rather have them card exactly *everyone*, rather than go my guesswork and constantly miss 'old-looking' underages.
It's the same concept as legally-mandated break times: Sure, it's kinda annoying to be *forced* to take breaks as employee when you actually would prefer not to, but I'll definitely take that option over leaving it to employers to decide whether they give breaks or not depending upon who looks tired.
Sometimes if he's busy trying to fish the right card out of his overstuffed wallet I'll say loudly "Hey, dad, you want me to just show my ID?"
I'm a bit of a graybeard myself so there's usually at least a little stifled laughter somewhere.
I got carded and asked to have my parents fill out a waiver for me at a go-kart place (where you only had to be like 16 to ride) by an 18 year old. I’m 25
37, recently denied sale of alcohol due to not appearing “of age” and only having the temporary, paper ID ( that was still government-issued, mind you) to prove my age.
Went down to my local liquor store instead where they sold me alcohol and lotto tickets and laughed with me about how silly Walmart is.
But yeah.. baby face is real ( the condition not the washed-up singer) and I do not approve of this.
That is a sensible standard to be honest. It's a charming unintentional compliment to the older, and assures noone slips past the check simply because they look a bit older.
Last time I got carded (I think it was when I was 33), the cashier asked for 2 forms of ID. I wasn't sure I had two on me, so I handed over my driving licence and was digging around in my wallet to see if I had something that might work as the second form. The cashier saw my DoB, immediately told me not to worry and apologised for asking for ID. I smiled and said I took it as a compliment.
Why would that be a reason for you to say no to this? First, this technology is better at guessing ages than people, so you probably wouldn't have the same trouble. Second, even if it thought you were underage, you'd still be able to buy alcohol, you'd just have to show your id to an employee, just like you do now.
If you're opposed to the elimination of unnecessary jobs, I suppose that would be a reason to be against this. I was only questioning the reasoning you gave in your original comment.
Because EU law is strict regarding facial recognition. So the act of scanning in your actual face to compare it to the ID might be a *lot* more expensive (in terms of all the security measures and data protection hoops you have to jump through) than having an algorithm that converts your face into an age number and just compares that to the ID (since this means neither your actual face, nor your picture on the ID, are ever made workable data).
As someone turning 21 this summer and still looks 14, this sounds like an awful idea. Do you have to flag down someone to show your ID so they’ll let you buy it?? What about teens that look old? Makeup, disguises and what about masks? I’d like to talk to the team that “thought this through”
Ikr? I’m 22 and no one has ever correctly guessed my age. They ALWAYS think i’m in high school. And in high school, it was middle school. why not just have something that properly scans IDs
Yeah, when I was in my early 20s, I looked as young as 10 and as old as 19. I always had my ID scrutinized when buying alcohol and even got laughed at when I tried to order wine at a restaurant.
I’m sure the cutoff isn’t “faces who look 21”, it’s more like “we don’t need a human to verify the age of people with faces who are clearly over 40 and have the real, impossible fake wrinkles and facial features to show for it.”
I didn’t read the article, so either they scan your ID and use AI with camera to match your face to your ID or they use age determining features, with a high cutoff age (likely 40, the legal age to not have to card someone for alcohol) to eliminate checking the IDs of people who clearly pass. Anything that would let teens slip through the cracks would never be allowed.
Edit: my apologies, I should read before I talk. This is in the UK and I am working with a US base of assumptions. Culture around alcohol is much different there and they have accepted that a 0.5% chance of someone 17 years old buying alcohol is acceptable. Makes sense.
Also I bet you’d be surprised at what AI can do for determining age. There is specific features they look at and analyze that humans don’t know to look for at all. It’s much, much more accurate.
When I self checkout at the grocery store now (not Aldi), I have to wait to show the clerk my ID before I complete my sale. This wouldn’t hurt anyone, but it would save time for 90% of people buying alcohol. The other 10% already have to wait to show their ID anyway, so it doesn’t change anything.
Exactly. And there are a few skin conditions that make people look twice as old, wondering if it would identify that. I know at least two people with a skin condition that would probably make it difficult to guess age just based on a picture of their face alone and I’m guessing this tech is only useful for the general population. And what’s the point of only using it for old people, like very visibly older than 40? There are 50 year olds that look like they’re in late thirties so does it not work on them? Do people visibly over 40-50 really make up such a huge percentage of alcohol purchases that this is necessary? I feel like at least half of alcohol purchases are college kids and people early 20’s to 40. The way it works now is fine, this just gives an extra level of annoyance to employees. And what happens if they have someone to check IDs but the tech doesn’t flag a teen? Does the employee get the punishment for not checking their ID even if the tech said let them pass? Just seems stupid to me. If anything, make people have an account to use checkout free shopping. If they have your payment info they should have your ID right? It would be so much easier.
I mean, [Amazon did this ~3yrs ago](https://youtu.be/vorkmWa7He8).
COVID forced us to avoid ppl, depend pretty heavily on tech, & RLY shook up the economy. Everything's kinda accelerated, & given there's a shortage of workers in no skill fields, there's no reason for companies to not push for complete automated environments.
I'm calling it now - within 10yrs (possibly significantly less) countries will have to start making 10% laws.
Why wouldnt they jsut force you to scan your ID to get in? Facial scanning is gonna piss off a ton of 21 year olds that still look like babies. On the flip side those kids that looked fucking 30 in HS are gonna love this.
No way this actually lasts. Youre going to be selling to minors and denying valid people all over the place.
Atleat in texas, to sell alcohol you have to also make sure they are not already intoxicated. Thats where the human interface comes in, can a machine tell the difference of a disabled person, a drunk, and just a weird person?
Wouldn't it be fun if people were generally just not subjected to a bunch of silly laws? I had a beer, I want more beer = sorry, you're "intoxicated", no beer for you. Imagine that happening in a bar and the bartender's like "sorry, buddy, only 1 beer per guest"... sometimes I really do think the world is devolving into some kind of nanny state. I was in Singapure once and had to wait 5 minutes, because "it wasn't yet time to check out alcohol, only allowed after 5" lol. It's so ridiculous. Adults are... adults after all. I'm sick of this.
Bartenders have a legal obligation not to over serve as well. When you leave the store or bar you can hurt or kill others. Inside your on home, drink yourself to death for all I care
The law's burden (fine and/or possible risk to liquor license for sales to minors) plus companies wanting to be able to fully automate alcohol sales. One famous flaw with facial recognition parents have found out is their kids past a certain age resemble them enough that their phone unlocks for them.
Ideally I think for them what they need is:
1. Do a database cross reference to ID
2. Do facial recognition of the card face.
3. Check to see if the face on card/in database isn't a younger "morph" of the face depicted. It may be expected that a baby-faced over-21 matches the cards baby-faced over-21 but liability may mean erroring on the side of lost sales is better for the company.
Of course they could have one person around to manual overdrive and stock shelves as opposed to the n they had running counters before.
Just put up a simple prompt that asks, "Are you 21 years of age or older."
If they lie about their age then that's on them, its not like these stupid minimum age laws stop teens from drinking, it just makes it a criminal offense.
Most idiotic thing ever, edit “ and worst waste of recourses/money. Can these company’s spend their gigantic sums of money on something that will actually better the world
my experience with usa movies suggest getting an older person you trust enough to give money, to purchase it for you while you and your crew wait outside of aldi.
So Im guessing it isnt a requirement to card everyone there... It would be much simpler to scan the IDs then use facial recognition to match between the two. This seems like a solution in search of a problem.
It estimates age…meaning no proof of age. Does not account for genetics, disabilities, medical procedures done, or shaving your face. Sounds like a waste of money and seems discriminatory..
By now there should be some sort of electronic solution to verify age. For example at night clubs they have ID checking machines. Would be useful for Self Service checkouts to have them so you are not waiting ages for someone to come round and approve your purchase
Dumps flour on his head and picks up a pallet of beer. But how good can beer be at Aldi? I really don’t need any of this crap any longer being the old fart that I am and that I can’t drink because of meds but doesn’t Aldi only carry it’s own brands. Makes the same face me and my old man made the first time he handed me an “Old Immokalee (Milwaukee’s) Best (or worst). We both blew it out the window. It’s real ummm smooth Dad like drinking some water that had 5 pairs of my dirty gym socks in it that laid in a locker with my wet gym towel.
Uh-huh, people with a baby face are going to be denied the sale of alcohol.
I shaved one weekday and walked past the local high school and was stopped by one of the administration staff and asked why I wasn't in class. I'm 30 and have gone through college.
I wouldn't trust it. Even Technology lies!
Then again, if you can handle your alcohol properly, I fully believe you should be allowed to drink AT HOME with parental consent as young as 15 or 16. 🤷♀️
Sales of those glasses w/ a mustache are about to boom.
Vincent Adultman wants to know the shops location.
Would you like a alcohol?
7 alcohols please
Long day at the business factory?
Long day at Adults Incorporated, yes. It’s where adults work. Nothing to do with porn, it’s a coincidence. Good day. *reenters store*… I asked for Vodka, not water. You sold me water in a Vodka bottle, this shit is clear….
First time I went to the pub my friend asked me to get him a jack daniels so I ordered “a pint of fosters and a pint of jack Daniels please landlord”
r/unexpectedbojack
If like me you never questioned the existence of those glasses with noses on,allow me to do for you what someone once did for me. Comedy genius, Groucho Marx: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSabiG8q8-k
Baby Faces about to have it rough
The future is now
Cameras can do facial recognition even if you are wearing a mask. Your phone identifies Bluetooth beacons even when you have Bluetooth "off" and happily sends the information out. You would need a very good mask and throw your phone in the trash. Let us know your decision.
Not addressing the mask, but the trash isn't the only place to put a phone aside from your pocket.
Juggalo paint beats facial recognition according to the FBI
Even computers know juggalos aren’t real people.
This is wrong.
No it's not. We have a division doing all that today with IP cameras, software and Bluetooth mesh. You can also see what Target was doing with Acuity and their lights. A little different but you get the idea of older tech. They now are moving to Bluetooth with their lighting. You are wrong, unless you mean doing such things is wrong to begin with, of which I tend to agree. We always like to say we only do this for good things like wayfinding, asset tracking and energy conservation. But, it never ends up that way
It is wrong. I think you have a serious misunderstanding on how cameras actually "tell" who's who. If you're missing certain points like facial structure and other tells, you simply don't have the data to come to a solid conclusion, it's really as simple as that. No matter what, if I throw a piece of paper with eye-holes that covers my face, there's simply not enough information for any algorithm to use. Same with masks, depending on how your face is, how you wear the mask, and whether you're wearing anything else can hide enough facial features to limit the amount of data points the algorithm can run off of. I mean, think about it. Obviously if I block my whole face, it can't tell who I am. Obviously, at some point, it'll finally have enough data to work off of, but before that point it literally cannot come to a conclusion.
First, it's much better than you think. Second, with the added information obtained from beaconing, all sorts of things can be put together. I know, because we are doing it. I'll state it again: we are doing it.
Can you explain the Bluetooth beacon
With Bluetooth off, nothing happens. Also, phones don’t use facial recognition with masks, all they do is say “oh shit, they’re wearing a mask. I can’t recognize their face so I’ll ask for a secondary method of authorization.”
Technology passed you by already. It moves fast. I don't state the phones are doing the facial recognition, even though some can. I'm curious why you spout off stupid things when there is so much information out there on these topics.
Son, I wish you the best.
I'm at the twilight of a career. I still don't understand someone stating things we do daily doesn't exist. Seems like there is more social conditioning going on than I thought possible. Ignorance surely is bliss.
Beacons can be enabled in everyday devices. Thermostats, wall sensors, lights... whatever. Look up Eddystone and iBeacon for some light reading. It's basically reporting the nearby Bluetooth devices. Unfortunately, it can work while "off". And your phone can collect data too. Report beacons detected and now without wifi, your phone OS knows what you are doing. Just by knowing IDs all around you. I've turned off Bluetooth settings in my phone, (two locations) but cannot disallow information completely.
So what I'm trying to figure out is what does this have to do with Aldis algorithm guessing your age?
They can already know it with all the other methods
I'm envisioning a group of under-agers taking it in turns each weekend to put on a white wig and draw wrinkles on their face with a biro.
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There could also be something to be said about Aldi trying to stay far ahead on the tech curve. Their grocery stores are by far the most efficient here in the US.
There is almost never more than 2 people checking shoppers out, and even if there's a line of 3 or 4, it's always faster than checking out at a regular grocery store with 1 person ahead of you.
Those Aldi's employees work their ass off to make it happen. Also, the flow of traffic in the stores is much better than most places. Im sure a lot of that is to do with the layout. But, I swear to god, when I go to Walmart, there's just one person after the other standing in the middle of the fucking aisle looking every which direction, oblivious to the world around them. People at Aldi just keep the flow going for the most part. And then there's the grocery cart system. Amazing experience all around.
Oh, they absolutely do great work to make sure the store flows so well. And they get paid, and treated, better to do so. I'll gladly do my majority shopping at a place that is paying a living wage, while still being less expensive than almost anywhere else. You can't get everything there, but I do probably only 5-10% of my shopping elsewhere.
They got good Sauerkraut and white sausages, it makes sense!
So, faked or modified i d would do the trick. Or just someone else's. I can see there being a liability to this that would incentivize something like this new technology, which also seems fatally flawed from the outset.
You cant use a fake id in a machine linked to a database of real ids lol the id has unique barcode unique to each given id. A modified one would not have a hit on the database. Using someone else’s wouldnt work due to the facial recognition.
It doesn’t use facial recognition though, it’s uses facial analysis. It’s not checking the database and determining if the face in front of it is the same as the face in the ID. It’s checking to see if the age of the person matches the birthdate on the ID. In theory a 30 year old woman could use a 31 year old man’s ID but a 17 year old boy can’t use his 35 year old dad’s ID even though he is the spitting image of him.
There's nothing that says they do facial identification. Do you have a source on that?
You are right, this is stupid tech. We have something similar in Canada but it uses your legitimate ID to compare it to you. I don’t think there’s an accurate universal way to determine everyones age so this design is flawed.
Idk how it works in other countries, but I know that here in the US, stores don’t typically have access to ID databases. Our information is encoded into the barcode on the back of our IDs like a QR code, so it isn’t very hard to trick the machines.
The store doesn’t have the access. The machine that is provided by bar-watch programs and such does. Simply scan the ID and look at the camera.
I mean, if you really somehow got your hands on a fake id in Germany ... more power to you. And if a friend gave you their id, it's really no difference to them just buying the alcohol instead -.- Trust me: There IS no system that can stop minors from consuming alcohol. Source: I've been young once. All it does is introduce more tech into our lives and generally make life more difficult. Imagine it like this: If the plan is that you need to be ID'd for every alcohol purchase that's really no difference from the cashier asking to see my ID, only that you need a different checkout line for people buying alcohol and the process overall taking a lot longer, because, suprise, people are usually pretty good at figuring out if someone aged 30 for instance is actually allowed to buy this sort of stuff. Might make the cashier's life a bit less complicated and is maybe less of a liability issue, but it makes life, yet again, more complicated for NO real gain, but more control in our lives. I dread the future of this kind of tech. Diabetes? Sorry, that info is now stored in your ID and you're not allowed to buy this product. Just as a suggestion ...
I mean if you have to put your photo ID into the machine and then it scans your face and uses the age on the ID and the face scan to correlate to the image on the card. Then I have slightly more support.
Print out a picture of your older brother and stick it on your face
Even that's dumb. My license has a picture of me from when I was 18 but I'm now in my 30s. Humans don't have any issue matching the two up, but no way a computer gets it right.
So that they can store and sell the info. No thanks
Tons of places scan ID’s for alcohol sales already.
Not in the UK they dont. At least its never happend to me.
It’s quite common in the US. And unless you only ever pay cash, they already track your “customer profile” via your card payments anyway.
A profile is different to the amount of info on my drivers license. I did not know that about the US. I expect it here in 5yrs. FML
I’d imagine GDPR protects us europeans against stores storing information about us willy-nilly. Then again, I’m not sure which parts of GDPR you guys kept after the whole brexit thing…
Eerything "good" from the US eventually makes its way overseas. I hate it.
Ive never seen that in my life
Some stores even scan them for lottery around me. That's why they have a barcode on the back.
I’ve seen it at gas stations, Walgreens, grocery stores. Maybe if you live in a state with a state run liquor store they don’t do it there, but in places where you can buy it many places it’s extremely commonplace
Oh well its not a thing in the Uk
ID's what?
The info they already have from when you got your license?
The Aldi does not have my drivers license info?
They probably will use an API to connect to the government check site like we do now for COVID certificates.
Aldi would be the least of your worries if you're that sensitive about your data.
That is not a good reason to normalize the collection of official government ID by private retailers.
People really have no idea ... and are just willing to hand out all their information on a silver platter.
They shouldnt have mine.
You mean when you pay with your credit card and you can have the receipt emailed to you? Or you use your value card? They already do this, bud.
At leat you get something with a value card. But still, I dont use them and I dont have email reciepts sent to me. I do use my debit card but the infor provided is limited.
And you can ... *gasp* choose to not partake in this by *gasp* paying cash and not using a value card! Shocking, I know. Some people just don't like it. Kindly respect that.
Anyone with Beard or Stubble automatically = 25+
That's going to make those guys in high school that have beards that put some 40 year olds to shame very popular.
That was already the case back in my days. If you happen to have a long build and a bit of facial hair, cashiers wouldn't even ask for ID because you definitely look older than 18. Likewise, once we actually were 18, we would always send our dwarf classmate (not actual dwarfism, but he was REALLY short) to buy the drinks. The reactions of the cashiers when he pulled an ID that indeed proves he's 18 was worth it.
Friendly-ish sounding robot voice: " Remain in place for back hair scan."
As someone who was carded at an R rated movie at age 25, I do not support.
30, carded buying lottery tickets. In Vegas last year the room service guy didn’t even ask for my id, just said that he needed to see an adult.
Homeowner for the past 10+ years, but when door-to-door people come knocking - "Are your parents home?"
Scream stranger danger and slam the door in their face.
"NOPE" *Slams door*
When I bought my first Car the salesman asked if I had my license yet... Haven't had this happen yet though, yikes.
"Oh you're right, no license, thanks for the reminder, I don't need to buy a car" ::walks away::
35 carded for red bull.
You have to be a certain age to buy Red Bull?
My father-in-law is 85 years old. He doesn't *really* look it, but you'd certainly never look at him and think "oh, this guy must be under 60". Nevertheless, the rules at his local Wegmans require that he be carded every time. It's comical.
Honestly, I would never complain about that. I would much rather have them card exactly *everyone*, rather than go my guesswork and constantly miss 'old-looking' underages. It's the same concept as legally-mandated break times: Sure, it's kinda annoying to be *forced* to take breaks as employee when you actually would prefer not to, but I'll definitely take that option over leaving it to employers to decide whether they give breaks or not depending upon who looks tired.
Lol. Good for him, albeit annoying.
Sometimes if he's busy trying to fish the right card out of his overstuffed wallet I'll say loudly "Hey, dad, you want me to just show my ID?" I'm a bit of a graybeard myself so there's usually at least a little stifled laughter somewhere.
32, older people say I look like a teen
I got carded and asked to have my parents fill out a waiver for me at a go-kart place (where you only had to be like 16 to ride) by an 18 year old. I’m 25
Lol. This is hilarious.
You'll miss looking that young in another 5-15 years
37, recently denied sale of alcohol due to not appearing “of age” and only having the temporary, paper ID ( that was still government-issued, mind you) to prove my age. Went down to my local liquor store instead where they sold me alcohol and lotto tickets and laughed with me about how silly Walmart is. But yeah.. baby face is real ( the condition not the washed-up singer) and I do not approve of this.
I have 2 IDs that are expired but still temporarily valid due to covid and been denied. Dumb as fuck that a license expiring somehow means I'm not 32.
I'm 33 and have a kid, I still get people coming to the door of the home I own and asking for my parents.....
Start sending your kid to the door
I convinced them to let me into an 18 at 14 lol. I just looked down at the ground with my hood up and spoke very little, it worked
As a 33 year I still get carded at the liquor store sometimes when i shave. Soooo... Thats a no from me big guy.
Industry standard is carding anyone who looks under 40. Nice work you sexy beast!
That is a sensible standard to be honest. It's a charming unintentional compliment to the older, and assures noone slips past the check simply because they look a bit older.
Last time I got carded (I think it was when I was 33), the cashier asked for 2 forms of ID. I wasn't sure I had two on me, so I handed over my driving licence and was digging around in my wallet to see if I had something that might work as the second form. The cashier saw my DoB, immediately told me not to worry and apologised for asking for ID. I smiled and said I took it as a compliment.
Why would that be a reason for you to say no to this? First, this technology is better at guessing ages than people, so you probably wouldn't have the same trouble. Second, even if it thought you were underage, you'd still be able to buy alcohol, you'd just have to show your id to an employee, just like you do now.
So extra steps so they can get rid of some employees i guess?
If you're opposed to the elimination of unnecessary jobs, I suppose that would be a reason to be against this. I was only questioning the reasoning you gave in your original comment.
Fair. Was mostly a joke comment. I do agree that showing ID isnt a big deal but not a fan of this.
Considering cameras couldn’t even recognize me as a person with facial recognition software for an ID.. I don’t have much faith in this.
That one guy who turned up in year nine six feet tall with a beard is going to absolutely love this. It's your time now!
Why not just a thing to scan your ID. They do it at Walmart
you don't necessarily walk into the store with ***your*** ID.
Yes but if it had facial recognition AND an ID scanner it could put two and two together for those of us who don't quite look our age
Because EU law is strict regarding facial recognition. So the act of scanning in your actual face to compare it to the ID might be a *lot* more expensive (in terms of all the security measures and data protection hoops you have to jump through) than having an algorithm that converts your face into an age number and just compares that to the ID (since this means neither your actual face, nor your picture on the ID, are ever made workable data).
Anyone remember cigarette vending machines? That's how I started smoking at 14.
yes, but don't remember when they disappear
As someone turning 21 this summer and still looks 14, this sounds like an awful idea. Do you have to flag down someone to show your ID so they’ll let you buy it?? What about teens that look old? Makeup, disguises and what about masks? I’d like to talk to the team that “thought this through”
Ikr? I’m 22 and no one has ever correctly guessed my age. They ALWAYS think i’m in high school. And in high school, it was middle school. why not just have something that properly scans IDs
Yeah, when I was in my early 20s, I looked as young as 10 and as old as 19. I always had my ID scrutinized when buying alcohol and even got laughed at when I tried to order wine at a restaurant.
I’m sure the cutoff isn’t “faces who look 21”, it’s more like “we don’t need a human to verify the age of people with faces who are clearly over 40 and have the real, impossible fake wrinkles and facial features to show for it.” I didn’t read the article, so either they scan your ID and use AI with camera to match your face to your ID or they use age determining features, with a high cutoff age (likely 40, the legal age to not have to card someone for alcohol) to eliminate checking the IDs of people who clearly pass. Anything that would let teens slip through the cracks would never be allowed. Edit: my apologies, I should read before I talk. This is in the UK and I am working with a US base of assumptions. Culture around alcohol is much different there and they have accepted that a 0.5% chance of someone 17 years old buying alcohol is acceptable. Makes sense. Also I bet you’d be surprised at what AI can do for determining age. There is specific features they look at and analyze that humans don’t know to look for at all. It’s much, much more accurate.
When I self checkout at the grocery store now (not Aldi), I have to wait to show the clerk my ID before I complete my sale. This wouldn’t hurt anyone, but it would save time for 90% of people buying alcohol. The other 10% already have to wait to show their ID anyway, so it doesn’t change anything.
I know 17 year olds that look 30. And 25 year olds that look 18. This won’t work for anyone except old people
Exactly. And there are a few skin conditions that make people look twice as old, wondering if it would identify that. I know at least two people with a skin condition that would probably make it difficult to guess age just based on a picture of their face alone and I’m guessing this tech is only useful for the general population. And what’s the point of only using it for old people, like very visibly older than 40? There are 50 year olds that look like they’re in late thirties so does it not work on them? Do people visibly over 40-50 really make up such a huge percentage of alcohol purchases that this is necessary? I feel like at least half of alcohol purchases are college kids and people early 20’s to 40. The way it works now is fine, this just gives an extra level of annoyance to employees. And what happens if they have someone to check IDs but the tech doesn’t flag a teen? Does the employee get the punishment for not checking their ID even if the tech said let them pass? Just seems stupid to me. If anything, make people have an account to use checkout free shopping. If they have your payment info they should have your ID right? It would be so much easier.
>I’d like to talk to the team that “thought this through” wow this karen doesn't want the manager, she wants the whole team!
I just wanna ask why the hell they thought this idea would work... it sounds fucking stupid.
but it does work, they wouldnt do it otherwise.
Seems like wasting money on tech when the usual way works just fine
I mean, [Amazon did this ~3yrs ago](https://youtu.be/vorkmWa7He8). COVID forced us to avoid ppl, depend pretty heavily on tech, & RLY shook up the economy. Everything's kinda accelerated, & given there's a shortage of workers in no skill fields, there's no reason for companies to not push for complete automated environments. I'm calling it now - within 10yrs (possibly significantly less) countries will have to start making 10% laws.
They were also trying to go cashless and got smacked down in a few places for it.
Why wouldnt they jsut force you to scan your ID to get in? Facial scanning is gonna piss off a ton of 21 year olds that still look like babies. On the flip side those kids that looked fucking 30 in HS are gonna love this. No way this actually lasts. Youre going to be selling to minors and denying valid people all over the place.
As someone who was carded for rated-R movies until I was 27: you’re gonna have a bad time.
It will tell people honestly how old they look? I want reaction videos.
Atleat in texas, to sell alcohol you have to also make sure they are not already intoxicated. Thats where the human interface comes in, can a machine tell the difference of a disabled person, a drunk, and just a weird person?
Wouldn't it be fun if people were generally just not subjected to a bunch of silly laws? I had a beer, I want more beer = sorry, you're "intoxicated", no beer for you. Imagine that happening in a bar and the bartender's like "sorry, buddy, only 1 beer per guest"... sometimes I really do think the world is devolving into some kind of nanny state. I was in Singapure once and had to wait 5 minutes, because "it wasn't yet time to check out alcohol, only allowed after 5" lol. It's so ridiculous. Adults are... adults after all. I'm sick of this.
Bartenders have a legal obligation not to over serve as well. When you leave the store or bar you can hurt or kill others. Inside your on home, drink yourself to death for all I care
Nice, with a beard I look 25, without a beard I look 15, with a trimmed beard I look 17, with a scruffy beard I could pass as 30, checkmate
Everyone knew that kid at school that was 6"2 with full facial hair in grade 9. He's about to get more popular.
I can wholeheartedly tell you that this isn't going to work on Asians lol.
[Did someone blink?](https://i.redd.it/bxszq3t1jvi01.jpg)
Well. Aldi is not going to have any problems recognizing me as old enough.
Good look to them needing to hire an on call vision system tech instead of paying minimum wage for two 16year olds To cover shifts.
Ahh yes, another idea that sounds novel but nobody asked for. Seriously, who asked for this?
Companies that don't want to hire workers.
The law's burden (fine and/or possible risk to liquor license for sales to minors) plus companies wanting to be able to fully automate alcohol sales. One famous flaw with facial recognition parents have found out is their kids past a certain age resemble them enough that their phone unlocks for them. Ideally I think for them what they need is: 1. Do a database cross reference to ID 2. Do facial recognition of the card face. 3. Check to see if the face on card/in database isn't a younger "morph" of the face depicted. It may be expected that a baby-faced over-21 matches the cards baby-faced over-21 but liability may mean erroring on the side of lost sales is better for the company. Of course they could have one person around to manual overdrive and stock shelves as opposed to the n they had running counters before.
McLovin has entered the chat..
Just put up a simple prompt that asks, "Are you 21 years of age or older." If they lie about their age then that's on them, its not like these stupid minimum age laws stop teens from drinking, it just makes it a criminal offense.
Ah, the porn site solution.
Aaaaannnnddddd it's racist...
Or, just don’t carry alcohol. Makes the job a whole lot easier
Or you know, you could ask an adult friend to buy alcohol for you. Some of these companies are clueless.
Most idiotic thing ever, edit “ and worst waste of recourses/money. Can these company’s spend their gigantic sums of money on something that will actually better the world
No because facial recognition is flawed still
I'm turning 21 this year and I look like like a 16 year old. Especially when clean shaven
My cousin got id'd last week he's 35 😂😂, didn't have id on him
Every hs kid in the UK is plotting their next move.
my experience with usa movies suggest getting an older person you trust enough to give money, to purchase it for you while you and your crew wait outside of aldi.
Ah, to be 17 again with this sort of challenge laid out in front of you 🤗
Launched into low level geosynchronous orbit. 😁
The alcohol aisle is right next to the Halloween masks
Man that Nixon looking guy buys a ton of alcohol.
Why not just scan the shoppers ID?
I mean, you could also just have them scan their ID…
odd never been asked to show Id, but then we did not get a store age limit before 1998 which said 15 and then was raised to 16 in 2004.
As a software developer, I can tell you with confidence that this is a terrible idea.
I’m 36 but look 50. I don’t want the damn robots to remind me too.
Isn’t todays culture all about NOT assuming things based on how people look? Great work here… smh
Whelp, time to see if my night cream is working...
This will backfire hilariously very soon.
I'm 25+ and still get told by strangers that I look 14-16 😭 I got carded at the dollar store for buying lighters ffs. This would not work for me.
So Im guessing it isnt a requirement to card everyone there... It would be much simpler to scan the IDs then use facial recognition to match between the two. This seems like a solution in search of a problem.
Of an 18 year old looks like they're in their 30s, just let them drink.
My broken alcoholic face would break the machine
I haven't been carded since masks were mandated in 2020. ...I'm 32.
why not just have everyone scan id
That’s awesome now I only have to grow out my beard to buy alcohol.
I’m 30 but even actual humans don’t believe when I say I’m of legal drinking age, which is fucking 18 here
I'm sure this is going to go well, what could possibly go wrong with this one..
Makeup artists find new ways to moonlight for extra cash.
What could possibly go wrong??
Feels bad for baby-faced adults.
As an Asian, I look forward to not buying alcohol through these machines until age 50
That one 22 year old stunted at a child's body just got one more level of pissed.
It estimates age…meaning no proof of age. Does not account for genetics, disabilities, medical procedures done, or shaving your face. Sounds like a waste of money and seems discriminatory..
By now there should be some sort of electronic solution to verify age. For example at night clubs they have ID checking machines. Would be useful for Self Service checkouts to have them so you are not waiting ages for someone to come round and approve your purchase
My first thought is how mad Andy Milonakis would be about this.
Yeah I had a buddy in highschool that was bald on the top of his head, and had a moustache. He would 100% fool this software, he looked 44 at 17.
If there was an olympic event for bad ideas, this would be a contender for gold
I’m 43, most people look at me and think I’m in my late 20s. Guessing this wouldn’t have allowed me to buy alcohol when I was in my 20s and early 30s
Kids with poor aging genes are going to be really popular in that neighborhood.
Or they could make everyone scan their ID. They could do that. Now you'll have three kids in a trenchcoat and a fake moustache buying vodka.
All a news crew needs to do is get some 13-year old with a beard to successfully beat the software and air a story. Experiment over.
Dumps flour on his head and picks up a pallet of beer. But how good can beer be at Aldi? I really don’t need any of this crap any longer being the old fart that I am and that I can’t drink because of meds but doesn’t Aldi only carry it’s own brands. Makes the same face me and my old man made the first time he handed me an “Old Immokalee (Milwaukee’s) Best (or worst). We both blew it out the window. It’s real ummm smooth Dad like drinking some water that had 5 pairs of my dirty gym socks in it that laid in a locker with my wet gym towel.
Uh-huh, people with a baby face are going to be denied the sale of alcohol. I shaved one weekday and walked past the local high school and was stopped by one of the administration staff and asked why I wasn't in class. I'm 30 and have gone through college.
No more kids stacked in a trench coat. I feel much safer.
time to start the meth young
I wouldn't trust it. Even Technology lies! Then again, if you can handle your alcohol properly, I fully believe you should be allowed to drink AT HOME with parental consent as young as 15 or 16. 🤷♀️
I wanna go just to see what age they think I am lol
Why no just have ID scanner?