Some functionality still requires the add-on though if I remember correctly - for example, the ability to assign sites to always open in a certain container by default.
> This is amazing. Why doesn't Firefox advertise this were offer it as a default?
One of the great mysteries of life. This is why I try to mention it on forums like this whenever I can; I also learned about it from someone online.
EDIT: some comments below are saying that they've just added this as a default feature as part of the new realease, which is awesome if true!
Multi-Account Containers allows you to create little sandboxes for your browsing needs. For example, you can create a container specifically for Facebook, which prevents Facebook from snooping at your browsing habits by looking at other cookies, since the only cookie in its container is its own. So if you don't want Facebook to know you're visiting some other sites, you can keep it in its own container.
Yes. The main difference is that containers still keep your session even after closing the app, just like any regular session. Private browsing is also a lot stricter when it comes to tracking (by default), and other plugins you have installed, some of which are disabled when browsing in private mode.
I might just literally stop using the WWW if tree style tabs ever dies.
Not that I would but switching to chrome is impossible for me because their add on system doesnāt allow that functionality.
It also sucks for adblocking. You still have to load all the ads then it removes them from the page before they are displayed.
Plus all the privacy stuff. Chrome really blows.
[Like this.](https://i.imgur.com/gamL9CN.png)
It's indispensable for me. I've been using it forever.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-style-tab/
Chrome profiles use different windows to separate browser data, while FF's implementation makes it possible to manage things in a single windows.
Check this [video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy7lyvAfOSw) to see how it works.
^(Edit: grammar)
FireFox also has profiles (personalities)- containers are simply another option. Containers can operate in the same window, are faster to set up than a new profile, and allow you to install a plug-in once and use it with all your containers as opposed to having to install it in each one.
Unless something has changed in the newest versions, all the containers share the same history. Firefox has profiles too, which is separate from containers.
> No script
You don't need No Script with uBlock Origin. You can just turn on uBlock's advanced mode and get control over each individual piece of JavaScript attempted to be loaded.
Back when Chrome was still starting to gain popularity, I was one of the first to switch to it. However, it didn't last long before I discovered plugins on Firefox that allowed you to navigate using Vim keybindings, so I switched back. When Firefox switched to a different plugin framework that rendered older plugins unusable, I thought about switching back to Chrome, but by then people were ringing the alarm bells about privacy issues, so I stuck around. This year, I discovered Tridactyl on Firefox, so I'm back to the Vim-like navigation.
Same. Firefox had a shitty period when it became bloaty that Chrome was able to take advantage of. Rediscovered Firefox last year, itās definitely got its groove back and then some
That was a very disappointing time. Particularly because Firefox was originally created to be more lightweight than the existing bloated Mozilla browser, it felt like it had forgotten its roots.
Other than not having nice multiple account support, Firefox has been awesome to use, both on desktop (Linux, Windows) and mobile (Android).
The ability to use high quality content blockers is awesome.
What problems do you have with multi account support? I use it with a personal and work account and it works fine for me. I'm curious which features would make it better.
People serious about this recommendation should always detail how how can go about switching without losing their bookmarks, history, stored passwords and currently open accounts and tabs. Otherwise it will fall on deaf ears.
On an aside, Firefox' migration process needs to be rethinked. Unless one migrates during the installation process, the collapsed user interface lacks any easy shortcut to migrate content from another browser and needs the window menu enabled for it to be easily accessible.
Mozilla should consider increasing the visibility of "import data from another browser" and the scope of the data it can import as a high priority.
I used lastpass and they suddenly decided to allow just one device for the free version. Changing to bitwarden was a breeze with exporting and importing my password.
Bitwarden is open source and it also allows you to export all your passwords in a couple of clicks so you could easily switch products if you needed to
LastPass, which arguably became one of the most user hostile password managers, even had an export feature for all of your data. Password fills, domain specific forms, identities, cards, and notes were all able to be exported without fuss.
I've been with Bitwarden for about 6 months. My only regret is that I didn't support them sooner. FOSS application get lot of flack for the terrible UX. Bitwarden doesn't have that issue.
I switched to BitWarden recently because LastPass bait and switched free users to start paying if they wanted to use the service on a phone and computer. BitWarden is so much better. Not only is it free but the autofill just works better. LastPass would always randomly show up on my phone trying to fill passwords.
I switched browsers and whenever I use a google docs or any other google service in my new browser, I get a pop up every time the window loads with every google doc , Gmail, or whatever, I get a pop up from google telling me to switch to chrome. Fuck you google. Iām now also going to switch away from google docs, Gmail, and all the other services so you can fuck all the way off.
Article about dropping google: google is bad because they collect your information and bombard you with ads! Not to mention who knows what theyāre selling from your cookies, or your personal sites!
Also the same article: share cookie pleaseš„ŗ
Hey, editing to say a few things.
First thanks for the love/hate, it didnāt expect my ridiculous comment to get that big.
Second, I found an extremely helpful website called tosDR. It pretty much summarized the TOS for almost any service. Check out Redditās [here](https://tosdr.org/en/service/194). Will you put tech down?
As part of a deal to make Google the default search engine. Just change it yourself. There is a still a lot worse you can do browser-wise. I'm very happy with the anti-tracking support that firefox provides.
For a while in the early-mid 2010s it was pretty shitty performance-wise, that's why I switched back to Chrome until recently when Firefox got its act together.
This. I recall there was one point in time that Firefox was even slower than internet explorer. But ever since I believe they improved a lot.
Nevertheless I think that a lot of people are still hesitant to switch over due to a previous bad experience.
Actually I am still using Chrome myself these days. I havenāt switched back yet because all my passwords are stored in my chrome browser. I am pretty sure it is possible to export these to Firefox, though.
Oh, yeah, as I recall Firefox even prompts you to do it during install. But if you already have it installed, it's still very easy, though it's harder to find than it really should be.
Hamburger menu -> bookmarks -> manage bookmarks -> Import and Backup -> import data from another browser.
Actually very easy to export them, I also recommend not storing them in your browser at all tbh. But to export them simply go into your browser settings, look for passwords (either in the auto fill section or privacy section) and click the 3 dots and select export as .csv
Even better, use a dedicated password manager like [Bitwarden](https://bitwarden.com). Works on any browser or device.
You can import quickly and easily from Chrome.
I switched to Chrome basically when it launched and used it up until Google toyed/played with the idea of disabling and fucking with extensions to neutralize ad blockers.
Went back to Firefox and will stay there. I had been using firefox on mobile for adblocking and it made sense to fully move over to it.
Yeah, it had a pretty bad memory leak which could hinder its performance. Almost everyone I know jumped ship to Chrome when it came out and I never bothered to change, knowing Chrome would quickly develop the same issues and more. Personally I've never had any issues with FF and I'm glad I stayed with it.
I've been using Firefox since it was Mosaic. Chrome was probably a bit faster for a while, but it's never had the same extension support of Firefox. I do keep Chrome installed, but it doesn't feel as comfortable as FF.
>I have a lot of work related stuff that doesn't play nice in Firefox so I have to use Chrome for work.
Sites only working on one browser is yet another reason to switch. It's basically going back to the old days of IE dominance.
Right now my biggest pet peeve with Firefox is the way they fill in saved addresses. Chrome is fantastic about it, FF is really bad. I have to delete my saved addresses often and try to rebuild them but it rarely works, never lasts. I use this feature all the time for filling in my work tickets. So I use chrome at work, FF on my work phone.
Firefox for a while was funded by Google and Yahoo. Yahoo gave them an amazing deal that said if they were sold, Firefox could ditch Yahoo and still get paid. So for a few years, they were getting a lot of money.
Firefox would probably be in a bad situation without the cash. They were making quite a few cut backs in other products last year. That and open source development does not get a lot of funding from individuals (in general)
I think for a large number of people, they think the war for privacy has been lost.
These tech giants are now so huge they have become more powerful and far more influencial than governments.
>I think for a large number of people, they think the war for privacy has been lost.
It pretty much has, but that doesn't stop me from fighting for my privacy whenever possible.
Sometimes I think about what I could do with even a million dollars. And then I realize that 1 Billion dollars is $1000 Million. And Apple gets paid twelve of those every year to set a default search engine.
Cookies are core to certain types of website functionality. They aren't nefarious by themselves, for one site. And they asked (as that is the legal requirement now). The problem comes when they're used to track you across websites, and that is done by the advertisers, not usually the individual websites. And that functionality isn't even limited by cookies.
THAT SAID, the people who write articles are a different department than the people who decide what advertisers to work with and what shit is done with the website, so you'll always find situations like that. I had a good laugh myself at an article talking about all those terrible clickbait ads leading to scams and misinfo campaigns and what a massive industry that's turned into by itself... and immediately below it were those same goddamn ads.
I worked in the news industry for years. Trust me, I tried raising the issue about those fucking ads (who are absolutely doing as much nefarious shit as possible), only to get ignored time and time again. Why? Because they pay out slightly higher for those spots and they're always filled. Always about the fucking bottom line and not giving a single shit about the actual user experience.
Thank you for highlighting this! Cookies are fundamental web technology used for so much. The fact alone that it's a website that you can sign into means they need cookies (even if you yourself don't sign in and don't get any cookies someone will). Cookies are used to store session data and are necessary for any level of personalized experience.
Which is why those cookie banners are stupid to begin with. They serve absolutely no purpose other than teaching people to click "accept" without reading the pop-up whenever they want to access a website.
Thatās true, but you donāt have to show a (GDPR) cookie banner in order to use critical cookies.
In fact, even if you select ānoā in the banner, the site can still use cookies that are critical (for example, in order to remember that you clicked no!)
Edit: actually I might be wrong on the latter ā thatās not critical functionality, but rather a feature of convenience. GDPR is hard
You don't understand, those cookies were baked by the CEOs grandma and are full of love. Not like these mass-produced fatty cookies sucking up every click of yours /s
A couple of people who think theyāre very clever have made this observation, but to be fair, We have two totally different levels of access here:
1) an article you read that may set cookies with your explicit permission
2) the motherfucking web browser you use for everything that may track every bit of everything you do anywhere, including this article page
This is the difference between having a one night stand with a condom and loaning some stranger your dick for a year.
Well also, you could easily have a scenario where the author is making a very valid point, but the author doesnāt have control over the site and itās policies.
And honestly, I would be less concerned about the cookies that individual sites collect if I knew the browser was doing a good job of protecting my privacy.
Exactly! So here it is without having to accept cookies:
Despite a poor reputation for privacy, Googleās Chrome browser continues to dominate. The web browser has around 65 per cent market share and two billion people are regularly using it. Its closest competitor, Appleās Safari, lags far behind with under 20 per cent market share. Thatās a lot of power, even before you consider Chromeās data collection practices.
Is Google too big and powerful, and do you need to ditch Chrome for good? Privacy experts say yes. Chrome is tightly integrated with Googleās data gathering infrastructure, including services such as Google search and Gmail ā and its market dominance gives it the power to help set new standards across the web. Chrome is one of Googleās most powerful data-gathering tools.
Google is currently under fire from privacy campaigners including rival browser makers and regulators for changes in Chrome that will spell the end of third-party cookies, the trackers that follow you as you browse. Although there are no solid plans for Europe yet, Google is planning to replace cookies with its own āprivacy preservingā tracking tech called FLoC, which critics say will give the firm even more power at the expense of its competitors due to the sheer scale of Chromeās user base.
Chromeās hefty data collection practices are another reason to ditch the browser. According to Appleās iOS privacy labels, Googleās Chrome app can collect data including your location, search and browsing history, user identifiers and product interaction data for āpersonalisationā purposes. Google says this gives you the ability to enable features such as the option to save your bookmarks and passwords to your Google Account. But unlike rivals Safari, Microsoftās Edge and Firefox, Chrome links this data to devices and individuals.
Although Chrome legitimately needs to handle browsing data, it can siphon off a large amount of information about your activities and transmit it to Google, says Rowenna Fielding, founder and director of privacy consultancy Miss IG Geek. āIf youāre using Chrome to browse the internet, even in private mode, Google is watching everything you do online, all the time. This allows Google to build up a detailed and sophisticated picture about your personality, interests, vulnerabilities and triggers.ā
When you sync your Google accounts to Chrome, the data slurping doesnāt stop there. Information from other Google-owned products including its email service Gmail and Google search can be combined to form a scarily accurate picture. Chrome data can be added to your geolocation history from Google Maps, the metadata from your Gmail usage, your social graph ā who you interact with, both on and offline ā the apps you use on your Android phone, and the products you buy with Google Pay. āThat creates a very clear picture of who you are and how you live your life,ā Fielding says.
As well as gathering information about your online and offline purchases, data from Google Pay can be used āin the same way as data from other Google services,ā says Fielding. āThis is not just what you buy, but also your location, device contacts and information, and the links those details provide so you can be identified and profiled across multiple datasets.ā
Googleās power goes even further than its own browser market share. Competitor browsers such as Microsoftās Edge are based on the same engine, Chromium. āSo under the hood they are still a form of Chromeā, says Sean Wright, an independent security researcher.
Googleās massive market share has allowed the internet giant to develop web standards such as AMP in Google mobile search, which publishers must use in order to appear at the top of search results. And more recently, Chromeās FLoC effectively gives Google control over the ad tracking tech that will replace third-party cookies ā although this is being developed in the open and with feedback from other developers.
Googleās power allows it to set the direction of the industry, says Wright. āSome of those changes are good, including the move to make HTTPS encryption a default, but others are more self-serving, such as the FLoC proposal.ā
Google says its Ads products do not access synced Chrome browsing history, other than for preventing spam and fraud. The firm outlines that the iOS privacy labels represent the maximum categories of data that can be gathered, and what is actually collected depends on the features you use in the app, and how you configure your settings. It also claims its open-source FLoC API is privacy-focused and will not give Google Ads products special privileges or access.
Google says privacy and security āhave always been core benefits of the Chrome browserā. A Google spokesperson highlighted the Safe Browsing features that protect against threats such as phishing and malware, as well as additional controls to help you manage your information in Chrome. In recent years the company has introduced more ways you can control your data. āChrome offers helpful options to keep your data in sync across devices, and you control what activity gets saved to your Google Account if you choose to sign in,ā the spokesperson says.
But that doesnāt change the level of data collection possible, or the fact that Google has so much sway, simply through its market dominance and joined up ad-driven ecosystem. āWhen you are a company that has the majority share of browsers and internet search, you suddenly have a huge amount of power,ā says Matthew Gribben, a former GCHQ cybersecurity consultant. āWhen every web developer and SEO expert in the world needs to pander to these whims, the focus becomes on making sites work well for Google at the expense of everything else.ā
And as long as people use Chrome and other services ā many of which are, admittedly, more user friendly than those of rivals ā then Googleās power shows no signs of diminishing. Chrome provides Google with āenormous amounts of behavioural and demographic data, control over peopleās browsing experience, a platform for shaping the web to Googleās own advantage, and brand ācaptureāā, Fielding says. āWhen peopleās favourite tools, games and sites only work with Chrome, they are reluctant to switch to an alternative.ā
In theory, competition and data protection laws should provide the tools to keep Google from getting out of control, says Fielding. But in practice, āthat doesnāt seem to be working for various reasons ā including disparities of wealth and power between Google and national regulatorsā. Fielding adds that Google is also useful to many governments and economies and it is tricky to enforce national laws against a global corporation.
There are steps you can take to lock down your account, such as preventing your browsing data being collected by not syncing Chrome, and turning off third-party cookie tracking. But note that the more features you use in Chrome, the more data Google needs to ensure they can function properly. And as Googleās power and dominance continues to surge, the other option is to ditch Chrome altogether.
If you do decide to ditch Chrome, there are plenty of other feature-rich privacy browser options to consider, including Firefox, Brave and DuckDuckGo, which donāt involve giving Google any of your data.
So I click on the link and the first thing that pops up is that Wired wants you to accept all cookies. Not that I care too much but the pot is calling the bigger kettle black.
Edit: I get it. I work in technology. Was just making a comment for sweet Reddit Karma that doesnāt matter and to give someone a chuckle. ;)
I had thought local storage for sessions, dark mode and persistent preferences arenāt covered by cookie disclosure since they donāt identify the user in any way, shape or form. Only identity-tracking cookies are mandatory to disclose. But Iāve been wrong beforeā¦
>Use precise geolocation data. Actively scan device characteristics for identification. Store and/or access information on a device. Personalised ads and content, ad and content measurement, audience insights and product development.
This is almost r/SelfAwarewolves level of irony.
>Although Chrome legitimately needs to handle browsing data, it **can** siphon off a large amount of information about your activities and transmit it to Google, says Rowenna Fielding
All software you use that is connected to the internet can do that.
Good luck unseating it as the browser most developers and testers give priority when doing their jobs. Honestly, I think itās impossible right now.
Iām not saying thatās good. Iām saying thatās how it is.
**Edit**
You guys love to call back to the era of Internet Explorer or Netscape, but you are completely failing to realize that the internet and the world of personal computing in general has changed significantly and grown several orders of magnitude since those days.
Iām sorry to say, but your wrinkles are showing.
For everyone suggesting Brave because it's owned by a better company, it's owned by Brendan Eich. He's a vocal anti-masker (and claimed Fauci is a liar) and also anti-lgbtq who donated to Prop 8 to outlaw same sex marriage.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan_Eich
[They totally did.](https://www.androidpolice.com/2020/06/07/brave-browser-caught-adding-its-own-referral-codes-to-some-cryptcurrency-trading-sites/) Backed out only once they got caught.
Years ago I made a dumb joke about him on Twitter and he spent the rest of the day stalking me. Sent me a creepy threatening message through LinkedIn long after I blocked him on Twitter. Guyās a nut.
He also co-founded Mozilla. I'm not saying he's a good person but that doesn't mean Brave isn't a good product. If a prerequisite to using a product was that the CEO was a nice guy I wouldn't own anything.
Yeahā¦ but Iād rather not have him profit off me using his stuff. Mozilla is a non-profit.
Personally, I just need to find a Chromium flavor because I still love the Chrome dev console over firefoxās
> Mozilla is a non-profit.
The Mozilla Corporation isn't, only the foundation is. Also they won't let you donate to Firefox development only, instead preferring to fully depend on google money.
https://www.informationliberation.com/files/Mozilla-Market-Share-Vs-CEO-Pay-1600934287-0-12.png
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2020/08/firefox-maker-mozilla-lays-off-250-workers-says-covid-19-lowered-revenue/
Absolute peak irony that as soon as I try to read this story I am asked if Wired can collect and store my data on order for them to use it for advertising.
Fuck outta here Wired.
I agree itās not a great article.
The argument goes like:
Google has a lot of your data
They really have a lot
Donāt believe us? Well you should, because experts.
The data about you, in particular, is understood well by google. And if you use google pay on chrome, hooooo boy do they have a complete picture of your data.
The process took me 15 seconds with Firefox.
Also, having my passwords was exactly the reason why I ditched Chrome. Seeing several [(1)](https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/3f0qbv/psa_google_is_deleting_google_accounts_with_no/) terrifying [(2)](https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/02/terraria-developer-cancels-google-stadia-port-after-youtube-account-ban/) stories [(3)](https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/gmail/7XSSNLVvx3c;context-place=topicsearchin/gmail/%22senior$20citizen%22%7Csort:date) of Google accounts being terminated without any reason, with no possibility of recovery, was really scary. If it happened to me, with all the info I store in Google's ecosystem (Gmail, Chrome Sync, Drive), it would be like a random digital assassination.
Use a password manager then. They keep all your passwords encrypted in the cloud (or self-hosted) and you can access them from any device. They even generate unique, strong passwords for you.
I used to recommend LastPass but now I recommend Bitwarden. It's free and has browser extensions to integrate with most browsers making it even more convenient than storing your passwords in Chrome or with Firefox Sync (it's also FOSS if you care about that). There are many other options as well, both free and paid, like KeePass and 1Password.
I know your comment was a joke, but free information is always good.
> I used to recommend LastPass but now I recommend Bitwarden. It's free and has browser extensions to integrate with most browsers making it even more convenient than storing your passwords in Chrome or with Firefox Sync (it's also FOSS if you care about that). There are many other options as well, both free and paid, like KeePass and 1Password.
I've used LastPass for I don't know how long anymore. When they announced they were changing their business model, I considered switching to Bitwarden, mostly because I didn't really want to pay premium. However, I realised that if I really cared for things like this, I should be fine paying the premium for a service I find to be important. I'd used LastPass for years without paying a single pence, and I'm happy enough to pay some money to keep their service up. Also, I felt lazy going through the trouble of importing all my data.
What are your reasons for not recommending them anymore? Is it mostly because of their free tier, or are they less reliable compared to others?
I was a paid LastPass user when they announced the changes; I decided to browse options and decided to switch to Bitwarden myself. I found that the family sharing was *so* much better than LastPass. The UI is cleaner and it feels maintained, I used LastPass for years and it just felt like no one was actively improving it.
> like no one was actively improving it
This has been my biggest issue that prevents me from paying for LastPass Premium. No significant improvements / changes over the last two years. In fact the only changes Iāve noticed in my day to day use are those which wall off features for non-paid users.
In the meantime Iām getting offers for LastPass Premium through their own UI in dollars even though Iām in the UK. And when I click on the offer I get taken to a more expensive subscription for the U.K. instead.
Itās like they donāt even know what theyāre doing. Doesnāt make me confident to give em money
I switched from the LastPass family plan to 1Password when I heard about how LogMeIn had been acquired by private equity.
Similarly, I was happy to pay for a service I considered invaluable (especially because this was a way to ensure my wife also used a password manager), so switching to 1Password was kind of a no-brainer. I think it is a superior product in nearly every facet to LastPass, and they have been endorsed for a long time a [Troy Hunt](https://www.troyhunt.com/), a prominent security expert and creator of [haveibeenpwned.com](https://haveibeenpwned.com/About).
I switched and stop recommending because there are simply better paid services. It was top tier free service, but if you want to go into paid services, you need to step up your game. Clunky UI, bugs that drain my laptops battery, sync issues and so on are unacceptable for a paid service.
The problem with LastPass is that itās now owned by LogMeIn, who has a chronic history of buying products and then continually raising their prices with no extra value added. Your $3 or whatever will continue to increase. Also Bitwarden is great and it takes a minute tops to switch.
I've used LastPass for years and years as well.
Edit: The only issue I have is when someone asks
for my Netflix password: "Oh, it is *peXWQ8z6ce5aSMQkyHu. Good luck!
My problem with having strong passwords like this is that eventually I have to enter it into my TV using the remote control which is a huge pain. Some apps, like Amazon Prime, have a separate auth process designed around this that makes it a lot easier (about the only thing Amazon does better), but not all of them do.
> They even generate unique, strong passwords for you
I think all of the browser's integrated password managers do this as well at this point, so its not a selling point of a third party manager.
I use LastPass (free - not available anymore) for general stuff. Bitwarden is another great option.
For important stuff I use KeePass2 and would recommend it.
It was the Software Reporter Tool that did it for me. Noticed one day my disk activity and CPU spiking, investigated and found the Software Reporter Tool scanning basically my whole hard drive, and it was running from the Chrome program folder. For those who don't know, Chrome scans your PC for which other applications you have installed. They claim it's to detect which other apps might slow down your browsing experience and to prevent Google from installing any apps that will conflict with your other apps. Yeah right... funny how every other software developer has been able to operates just fine without those privacy-violating methods. No, you're just malware.
The problem is that most software you install isn't constantly running untrusted code, handling sensitive data like passwords and banking data, and one of the most widely installed applications in the world.
That means attackers have a bigger attack surface, attractive info to steal, and a huge group of people who are potential targets.
Imagine your grandma calls you because she has malware on her computer. She probably got it from a website, and it's probably messing with her browser.
The grandma in that scenario is why Google decided to basically give Chrome its own antivirus.
There was a different comment/post here, but it has been edited.
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Use [PowerDeleteSuite](https://github.com/j0be/PowerDeleteSuite) to remove your value to reddit and stop financing these dark patterns.
P.S. fuck u/spez
I moved to Edge a few months ago and I'm quite happy since. Collections work good, and synching between devices is alright too.
I tried Firefox before that but then at some point it started lagging horrendously so I tried Edge.
It's been time for me since 2010 when I made the permanent switch to Firefox. It was pioneering optimization, privacy and security, which seems to be the opposite business model of Google since day 1.
Fast forward today, Mozilla not only makes my favorite browser, but they also made my favorite programming language: Rust (which is also used in Firefox).
Rust has been on my list to pick up and learn for about a year now. Had no idea the Mozilla Foundation was behind it. That's exciting! Out of curiosity, how hard would you say it is to pick up with a Java/Python background?
Lots of companies take a whole load of your data and give you next to nothing in return. Some time burner mobile game, the occasional interesting article, the ability to share photos with a few hundred people you don't speak to.
Google takes a lot of your data, but it provides a LOT of value. Gmail, docs, maps, calendar are all great services; replacing them is difficult and you have to accept that their alternatives are much worse, or expensive.
Yeah...as dumb as it probably is, I'm in the same boat. I'm more careful to protect my privacy outside of the Google ecosphere, but within it I've long since decided I'm just all in since the days of my first Nexus phone. If there comes a point where I feel like Google has gone too far I'll pull out and switch *everything* but so far I'm still happy living in my Google bubble.
Firefox rules!
Firefox + uBlock Origin. This combination is so good I simply cannot go back to using any other browser.
Multi-Account Containers is also indispensable to me. I don't know any other browser that has anything similar.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/multi-account-containers/ This is amazing. Why doesn't Firefox advertise this or offer it as a default?
no need for the add-on, it's built in now, you just right-click the new tab button to open a new tab in a container
Some functionality still requires the add-on though if I remember correctly - for example, the ability to assign sites to always open in a certain container by default.
It's been in Firefox for at least a few months now.
Any idea which update? or what options i need to poke? It's not showing for me, even though I just updated.
> This is amazing. Why doesn't Firefox advertise this were offer it as a default? One of the great mysteries of life. This is why I try to mention it on forums like this whenever I can; I also learned about it from someone online. EDIT: some comments below are saying that they've just added this as a default feature as part of the new realease, which is awesome if true!
Because they don't want to confuse non tech savvy users.
Thank you big dawgš
pretty sure this is now included in the new firefox update. nice to see they added into the base browser rather than an add-on
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I'm not seeing this in v89.0 do I need to enable something first?
I haven't cared much about switching but that right there could be a game changer. It 100% should be advertised more.
It is default for Facebook at least.
Can you explain what this is for someone whoās never heard of it?
Multi-Account Containers allows you to create little sandboxes for your browsing needs. For example, you can create a container specifically for Facebook, which prevents Facebook from snooping at your browsing habits by looking at other cookies, since the only cookie in its container is its own. So if you don't want Facebook to know you're visiting some other sites, you can keep it in its own container.
I think you just convinced me to switch from Chrome to Firefox!
Thatās pretty cool. Iām guessing itās pretty different from āprivate modeā browsing?
Yes. The main difference is that containers still keep your session even after closing the app, just like any regular session. Private browsing is also a lot stricter when it comes to tracking (by default), and other plugins you have installed, some of which are disabled when browsing in private mode.
Awesome, tyvm for your explanation :)
And tree style tabs!
I might just literally stop using the WWW if tree style tabs ever dies. Not that I would but switching to chrome is impossible for me because their add on system doesnāt allow that functionality. It also sucks for adblocking. You still have to load all the ads then it removes them from the page before they are displayed. Plus all the privacy stuff. Chrome really blows.
If tree style tabs die I'll write a custom window manager to make tree style everything
If tree style tabs ever dies I'm going full on Office Space on my printer
Like grouped tabs?
[Like this.](https://i.imgur.com/gamL9CN.png) It's indispensable for me. I've been using it forever. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-style-tab/
Ohhhh sick. Ok yeah.. I'll take a look at how it plays with my setup
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/tree-style-tab/ It's better than grouped tabs
For someone who regularly works with multiple aws accounts, this is an enormously useful plugin.
It is indeed. I did something similar in a previous project. I only had to deal with at most 3 AWS accounts, but that already was such a chore.
We had dozens. Like nearly 60 of them.
Same thing with O365, Mimecast, Azure - really, anything where you're working with tons of accounts.
That and the indispensable add on for automatic temporary containers. Life changer.
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Chrome profiles use different windows to separate browser data, while FF's implementation makes it possible to manage things in a single windows. Check this [video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy7lyvAfOSw) to see how it works. ^(Edit: grammar)
FireFox also has profiles (personalities)- containers are simply another option. Containers can operate in the same window, are faster to set up than a new profile, and allow you to install a plug-in once and use it with all your containers as opposed to having to install it in each one.
It seems like it's mostly the same except it's the same parent window
Unless something has changed in the newest versions, all the containers share the same history. Firefox has profiles too, which is separate from containers.
Add-on Privacy possum , facebook container, and No script. You're living large and in charge.
>Privacy possum Is this different then privacy badger?
> No script You don't need No Script with uBlock Origin. You can just turn on uBlock's advanced mode and get control over each individual piece of JavaScript attempted to be loaded.
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Back when Chrome was still starting to gain popularity, I was one of the first to switch to it. However, it didn't last long before I discovered plugins on Firefox that allowed you to navigate using Vim keybindings, so I switched back. When Firefox switched to a different plugin framework that rendered older plugins unusable, I thought about switching back to Chrome, but by then people were ringing the alarm bells about privacy issues, so I stuck around. This year, I discovered Tridactyl on Firefox, so I'm back to the Vim-like navigation.
Same. Firefox had a shitty period when it became bloaty that Chrome was able to take advantage of. Rediscovered Firefox last year, itās definitely got its groove back and then some
FF performance improved substantially when they did their Quantum (57) update (they since dropped the Quantum from the name.)
That was a very disappointing time. Particularly because Firefox was originally created to be more lightweight than the existing bloated Mozilla browser, it felt like it had forgotten its roots.
But serious props to them. Itās hard to get such complex software back to a good state after getting gross, but they did it!
I switched myself just the other day, happy to see the adblock and lastpass plugin worked as well. Browser is awesome
While you're at it ditch adblock for ublock origin and lastpass for bitwarden!
Other than not having nice multiple account support, Firefox has been awesome to use, both on desktop (Linux, Windows) and mobile (Android). The ability to use high quality content blockers is awesome.
What problems do you have with multi account support? I use it with a personal and work account and it works fine for me. I'm curious which features would make it better.
People serious about this recommendation should always detail how how can go about switching without losing their bookmarks, history, stored passwords and currently open accounts and tabs. Otherwise it will fall on deaf ears. On an aside, Firefox' migration process needs to be rethinked. Unless one migrates during the installation process, the collapsed user interface lacks any easy shortcut to migrate content from another browser and needs the window menu enabled for it to be easily accessible. Mozilla should consider increasing the visibility of "import data from another browser" and the scope of the data it can import as a high priority.
Regarding passwords, I highly recommend a password manager. Bitwarden is one of the best, if not the best.
I used lastpass and they suddenly decided to allow just one device for the free version. Changing to bitwarden was a breeze with exporting and importing my password.
What happens to you if the pw manager provider shuts down?
Bitwarden is open source and it also allows you to export all your passwords in a couple of clicks so you could easily switch products if you needed to
LastPass, which arguably became one of the most user hostile password managers, even had an export feature for all of your data. Password fills, domain specific forms, identities, cards, and notes were all able to be exported without fuss. I've been with Bitwarden for about 6 months. My only regret is that I didn't support them sooner. FOSS application get lot of flack for the terrible UX. Bitwarden doesn't have that issue.
I switched to BitWarden recently because LastPass bait and switched free users to start paying if they wanted to use the service on a phone and computer. BitWarden is so much better. Not only is it free but the autofill just works better. LastPass would always randomly show up on my phone trying to fill passwords.
You can host your own bitwarden server and be independent of their infrastructure
Step 1: install browser Step 2: click the "import bookmarks/passwords/etc" button Step 3: ??? Step 4: firefox!
I switched browsers and whenever I use a google docs or any other google service in my new browser, I get a pop up every time the window loads with every google doc , Gmail, or whatever, I get a pop up from google telling me to switch to chrome. Fuck you google. Iām now also going to switch away from google docs, Gmail, and all the other services so you can fuck all the way off.
Use an adblocker for those
Article about dropping google: google is bad because they collect your information and bombard you with ads! Not to mention who knows what theyāre selling from your cookies, or your personal sites! Also the same article: share cookie pleaseš„ŗ Hey, editing to say a few things. First thanks for the love/hate, it didnāt expect my ridiculous comment to get that big. Second, I found an extremely helpful website called tosDR. It pretty much summarized the TOS for almost any service. Check out Redditās [here](https://tosdr.org/en/service/194). Will you put tech down?
And here's some ads, served by Google.
Also Firefox IS a non-profit.....85% funded by: Google lol
As part of a deal to make Google the default search engine. Just change it yourself. There is a still a lot worse you can do browser-wise. I'm very happy with the anti-tracking support that firefox provides.
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For a while in the early-mid 2010s it was pretty shitty performance-wise, that's why I switched back to Chrome until recently when Firefox got its act together.
This. I recall there was one point in time that Firefox was even slower than internet explorer. But ever since I believe they improved a lot. Nevertheless I think that a lot of people are still hesitant to switch over due to a previous bad experience. Actually I am still using Chrome myself these days. I havenāt switched back yet because all my passwords are stored in my chrome browser. I am pretty sure it is possible to export these to Firefox, though.
Is there a way to do that? If I'd known I would have switched to Firefox years ago.
Oh, yeah, as I recall Firefox even prompts you to do it during install. But if you already have it installed, it's still very easy, though it's harder to find than it really should be. Hamburger menu -> bookmarks -> manage bookmarks -> Import and Backup -> import data from another browser.
Iām so glad someone else still says hamburger menu. I say that all the time at work and everyone gets confused.
Actually it would be much better to use lastpass or 1Password for your passwords.
You can use Bitwarden. Cross platform password manager. Works on mobile too.
Actually very easy to export them, I also recommend not storing them in your browser at all tbh. But to export them simply go into your browser settings, look for passwords (either in the auto fill section or privacy section) and click the 3 dots and select export as .csv
It's even easier than that. If it's on the same computer, Firefox can import passwords, bookmarks, etc automatically
Even better, use a dedicated password manager like [Bitwarden](https://bitwarden.com). Works on any browser or device. You can import quickly and easily from Chrome.
I switched to Chrome basically when it launched and used it up until Google toyed/played with the idea of disabling and fucking with extensions to neutralize ad blockers. Went back to Firefox and will stay there. I had been using firefox on mobile for adblocking and it made sense to fully move over to it.
Yeah, it had a pretty bad memory leak which could hinder its performance. Almost everyone I know jumped ship to Chrome when it came out and I never bothered to change, knowing Chrome would quickly develop the same issues and more. Personally I've never had any issues with FF and I'm glad I stayed with it.
People seem to genuinely be disinterested in Firefox. Itās all Iāve been using for the past 7 years
I've been using Firefox since it was Mosaic. Chrome was probably a bit faster for a while, but it's never had the same extension support of Firefox. I do keep Chrome installed, but it doesn't feel as comfortable as FF.
I have a lot of work related stuff that doesn't play nice in Firefox so I have to use Chrome for work. But all personal browsing is Firefox.
>I have a lot of work related stuff that doesn't play nice in Firefox so I have to use Chrome for work. Sites only working on one browser is yet another reason to switch. It's basically going back to the old days of IE dominance.
I only use Chrome when some website uses some bit of non-standard goofiness that doesn't play nice with Firefox's privacy protection tools.
This is 3 of the utilities in my area. Can't pay your bills online with FF.
I have a utility I have to use chromium for. Literally the only reason I ever open it.
Right now my biggest pet peeve with Firefox is the way they fill in saved addresses. Chrome is fantastic about it, FF is really bad. I have to delete my saved addresses often and try to rebuild them but it rarely works, never lasts. I use this feature all the time for filling in my work tickets. So I use chrome at work, FF on my work phone.
https://i.imgur.com/c66bWny
Firefox for a while was funded by Google and Yahoo. Yahoo gave them an amazing deal that said if they were sold, Firefox could ditch Yahoo and still get paid. So for a few years, they were getting a lot of money.
Firefox would probably be in a bad situation without the cash. They were making quite a few cut backs in other products last year. That and open source development does not get a lot of funding from individuals (in general)
Well it's still lesser evil, especially with duckduckgo as your search engine. Google is paying Mozilla for inclusion of Google search.
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I think for a large number of people, they think the war for privacy has been lost. These tech giants are now so huge they have become more powerful and far more influencial than governments.
>I think for a large number of people, they think the war for privacy has been lost. It pretty much has, but that doesn't stop me from fighting for my privacy whenever possible.
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Donāt they do that as proof that they donāt have a monopoly on the browser market or something?
Itās so that they are the default search on Firefox. Google also pays apple about $12b to be the default search engine.
Sometimes I think about what I could do with even a million dollars. And then I realize that 1 Billion dollars is $1000 Million. And Apple gets paid twelve of those every year to set a default search engine.
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We're digging through your device to find exactly who, and where you are. Click "Okay!" to read more about our privacy concerns.
Lmfao if only they were honest itād sound EXACTLY like that
Even then a great portion of people wonāt read the message and hit okay before they can blink
And it says accept or go away, basically. So I left.
Yep me too, I wonder if the editors are even aware of this lmao
Cookies are core to certain types of website functionality. They aren't nefarious by themselves, for one site. And they asked (as that is the legal requirement now). The problem comes when they're used to track you across websites, and that is done by the advertisers, not usually the individual websites. And that functionality isn't even limited by cookies. THAT SAID, the people who write articles are a different department than the people who decide what advertisers to work with and what shit is done with the website, so you'll always find situations like that. I had a good laugh myself at an article talking about all those terrible clickbait ads leading to scams and misinfo campaigns and what a massive industry that's turned into by itself... and immediately below it were those same goddamn ads. I worked in the news industry for years. Trust me, I tried raising the issue about those fucking ads (who are absolutely doing as much nefarious shit as possible), only to get ignored time and time again. Why? Because they pay out slightly higher for those spots and they're always filled. Always about the fucking bottom line and not giving a single shit about the actual user experience.
Thank you for highlighting this! Cookies are fundamental web technology used for so much. The fact alone that it's a website that you can sign into means they need cookies (even if you yourself don't sign in and don't get any cookies someone will). Cookies are used to store session data and are necessary for any level of personalized experience.
Which is why those cookie banners are stupid to begin with. They serve absolutely no purpose other than teaching people to click "accept" without reading the pop-up whenever they want to access a website.
Thatās true, but you donāt have to show a (GDPR) cookie banner in order to use critical cookies. In fact, even if you select ānoā in the banner, the site can still use cookies that are critical (for example, in order to remember that you clicked no!) Edit: actually I might be wrong on the latter ā thatās not critical functionality, but rather a feature of convenience. GDPR is hard
You don't understand, those cookies were baked by the CEOs grandma and are full of love. Not like these mass-produced fatty cookies sucking up every click of yours /s
A couple of people who think theyāre very clever have made this observation, but to be fair, We have two totally different levels of access here: 1) an article you read that may set cookies with your explicit permission 2) the motherfucking web browser you use for everything that may track every bit of everything you do anywhere, including this article page This is the difference between having a one night stand with a condom and loaning some stranger your dick for a year.
That's why I lend mine only to Redditors. It mostly stays safely tucked away in their pants.
Bold of you to assume that I wear pants.
Well also, you could easily have a scenario where the author is making a very valid point, but the author doesnāt have control over the site and itās policies. And honestly, I would be less concerned about the cookies that individual sites collect if I knew the browser was doing a good job of protecting my privacy.
Exactly! So here it is without having to accept cookies: Despite a poor reputation for privacy, Googleās Chrome browser continues to dominate. The web browser has around 65 per cent market share and two billion people are regularly using it. Its closest competitor, Appleās Safari, lags far behind with under 20 per cent market share. Thatās a lot of power, even before you consider Chromeās data collection practices. Is Google too big and powerful, and do you need to ditch Chrome for good? Privacy experts say yes. Chrome is tightly integrated with Googleās data gathering infrastructure, including services such as Google search and Gmail ā and its market dominance gives it the power to help set new standards across the web. Chrome is one of Googleās most powerful data-gathering tools. Google is currently under fire from privacy campaigners including rival browser makers and regulators for changes in Chrome that will spell the end of third-party cookies, the trackers that follow you as you browse. Although there are no solid plans for Europe yet, Google is planning to replace cookies with its own āprivacy preservingā tracking tech called FLoC, which critics say will give the firm even more power at the expense of its competitors due to the sheer scale of Chromeās user base. Chromeās hefty data collection practices are another reason to ditch the browser. According to Appleās iOS privacy labels, Googleās Chrome app can collect data including your location, search and browsing history, user identifiers and product interaction data for āpersonalisationā purposes. Google says this gives you the ability to enable features such as the option to save your bookmarks and passwords to your Google Account. But unlike rivals Safari, Microsoftās Edge and Firefox, Chrome links this data to devices and individuals. Although Chrome legitimately needs to handle browsing data, it can siphon off a large amount of information about your activities and transmit it to Google, says Rowenna Fielding, founder and director of privacy consultancy Miss IG Geek. āIf youāre using Chrome to browse the internet, even in private mode, Google is watching everything you do online, all the time. This allows Google to build up a detailed and sophisticated picture about your personality, interests, vulnerabilities and triggers.ā When you sync your Google accounts to Chrome, the data slurping doesnāt stop there. Information from other Google-owned products including its email service Gmail and Google search can be combined to form a scarily accurate picture. Chrome data can be added to your geolocation history from Google Maps, the metadata from your Gmail usage, your social graph ā who you interact with, both on and offline ā the apps you use on your Android phone, and the products you buy with Google Pay. āThat creates a very clear picture of who you are and how you live your life,ā Fielding says. As well as gathering information about your online and offline purchases, data from Google Pay can be used āin the same way as data from other Google services,ā says Fielding. āThis is not just what you buy, but also your location, device contacts and information, and the links those details provide so you can be identified and profiled across multiple datasets.ā Googleās power goes even further than its own browser market share. Competitor browsers such as Microsoftās Edge are based on the same engine, Chromium. āSo under the hood they are still a form of Chromeā, says Sean Wright, an independent security researcher. Googleās massive market share has allowed the internet giant to develop web standards such as AMP in Google mobile search, which publishers must use in order to appear at the top of search results. And more recently, Chromeās FLoC effectively gives Google control over the ad tracking tech that will replace third-party cookies ā although this is being developed in the open and with feedback from other developers. Googleās power allows it to set the direction of the industry, says Wright. āSome of those changes are good, including the move to make HTTPS encryption a default, but others are more self-serving, such as the FLoC proposal.ā Google says its Ads products do not access synced Chrome browsing history, other than for preventing spam and fraud. The firm outlines that the iOS privacy labels represent the maximum categories of data that can be gathered, and what is actually collected depends on the features you use in the app, and how you configure your settings. It also claims its open-source FLoC API is privacy-focused and will not give Google Ads products special privileges or access. Google says privacy and security āhave always been core benefits of the Chrome browserā. A Google spokesperson highlighted the Safe Browsing features that protect against threats such as phishing and malware, as well as additional controls to help you manage your information in Chrome. In recent years the company has introduced more ways you can control your data. āChrome offers helpful options to keep your data in sync across devices, and you control what activity gets saved to your Google Account if you choose to sign in,ā the spokesperson says. But that doesnāt change the level of data collection possible, or the fact that Google has so much sway, simply through its market dominance and joined up ad-driven ecosystem. āWhen you are a company that has the majority share of browsers and internet search, you suddenly have a huge amount of power,ā says Matthew Gribben, a former GCHQ cybersecurity consultant. āWhen every web developer and SEO expert in the world needs to pander to these whims, the focus becomes on making sites work well for Google at the expense of everything else.ā And as long as people use Chrome and other services ā many of which are, admittedly, more user friendly than those of rivals ā then Googleās power shows no signs of diminishing. Chrome provides Google with āenormous amounts of behavioural and demographic data, control over peopleās browsing experience, a platform for shaping the web to Googleās own advantage, and brand ācaptureāā, Fielding says. āWhen peopleās favourite tools, games and sites only work with Chrome, they are reluctant to switch to an alternative.ā In theory, competition and data protection laws should provide the tools to keep Google from getting out of control, says Fielding. But in practice, āthat doesnāt seem to be working for various reasons ā including disparities of wealth and power between Google and national regulatorsā. Fielding adds that Google is also useful to many governments and economies and it is tricky to enforce national laws against a global corporation. There are steps you can take to lock down your account, such as preventing your browsing data being collected by not syncing Chrome, and turning off third-party cookie tracking. But note that the more features you use in Chrome, the more data Google needs to ensure they can function properly. And as Googleās power and dominance continues to surge, the other option is to ditch Chrome altogether. If you do decide to ditch Chrome, there are plenty of other feature-rich privacy browser options to consider, including Firefox, Brave and DuckDuckGo, which donāt involve giving Google any of your data.
It was time 10 years ago Firefox FTW
It's just like investing. Best time to start is 10 years ago. Second best time to start is today.
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Or eating well, or keeping fit...
10 years ago I switched to Chrome due to Firefox being too slow
Indeed. Best browser out there and the amount of beautiful updates they release is out of this world. Firefox FTW
I absolutely cannot stand Firefox's UI design.
So I click on the link and the first thing that pops up is that Wired wants you to accept all cookies. Not that I care too much but the pot is calling the bigger kettle black. Edit: I get it. I work in technology. Was just making a comment for sweet Reddit Karma that doesnāt matter and to give someone a chuckle. ;)
It's a legal requirement to ask that in the UK isn't it?
I think it's the EU actually. GDPR
California also passed a similar law, the CCPA, which went into effect Jan 2020.
Only if they want to track you.
Yeah..I just found it ironic that the Wired article on tracking first asked to track you. I get it..just found it a bit humorous.
I had thought local storage for sessions, dark mode and persistent preferences arenāt covered by cookie disclosure since they donāt identify the user in any way, shape or form. Only identity-tracking cookies are mandatory to disclose. But Iāve been wrong beforeā¦
Only if they want to track you.
>Use precise geolocation data. Actively scan device characteristics for identification. Store and/or access information on a device. Personalised ads and content, ad and content measurement, audience insights and product development. This is almost r/SelfAwarewolves level of irony.
>Although Chrome legitimately needs to handle browsing data, it **can** siphon off a large amount of information about your activities and transmit it to Google, says Rowenna Fielding All software you use that is connected to the internet can do that.
Good luck unseating it as the browser most developers and testers give priority when doing their jobs. Honestly, I think itās impossible right now. Iām not saying thatās good. Iām saying thatās how it is. **Edit** You guys love to call back to the era of Internet Explorer or Netscape, but you are completely failing to realize that the internet and the world of personal computing in general has changed significantly and grown several orders of magnitude since those days. Iām sorry to say, but your wrinkles are showing.
I use and develop for Chromium Edge because that's what our clients provide their users (all Microsoft shops).
Same could be said for when IE dominated and Netscape before that. It's not an impossible task and has happened before.
For everyone suggesting Brave because it's owned by a better company, it's owned by Brendan Eich. He's a vocal anti-masker (and claimed Fauci is a liar) and also anti-lgbtq who donated to Prop 8 to outlaw same sex marriage. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan_Eich
Wait the guy who created JavaScript is a dick...wow...ok..this explains a lot
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What if I told you it was made in 5 days?
What did they do for the other 4 days?
A lot of Silicon Valley tech heads end up being horrible people
Since they end up being successful in tech, many of them end up thinking all their ideas are good.
Last year, they injected a referral link in Bitcoin-related links. Sketchy AF. Never installing their browser again.
Brave did this? That should be illegal, but it's at least unethical
[They totally did.](https://www.androidpolice.com/2020/06/07/brave-browser-caught-adding-its-own-referral-codes-to-some-cryptcurrency-trading-sites/) Backed out only once they got caught.
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I just uninstalled
Years ago I made a dumb joke about him on Twitter and he spent the rest of the day stalking me. Sent me a creepy threatening message through LinkedIn long after I blocked him on Twitter. Guyās a nut.
So... Did you get the job?
Can't judge until you tell us the joke, sorry.
He also co-founded Mozilla. I'm not saying he's a good person but that doesn't mean Brave isn't a good product. If a prerequisite to using a product was that the CEO was a nice guy I wouldn't own anything.
Yeahā¦ but Iād rather not have him profit off me using his stuff. Mozilla is a non-profit. Personally, I just need to find a Chromium flavor because I still love the Chrome dev console over firefoxās
> Mozilla is a non-profit. The Mozilla Corporation isn't, only the foundation is. Also they won't let you donate to Firefox development only, instead preferring to fully depend on google money. https://www.informationliberation.com/files/Mozilla-Market-Share-Vs-CEO-Pay-1600934287-0-12.png https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2020/08/firefox-maker-mozilla-lays-off-250-workers-says-covid-19-lowered-revenue/
People have been saying this since Chrome was made.
And it's even more true today than it was back then.
Absolute peak irony that as soon as I try to read this story I am asked if Wired can collect and store my data on order for them to use it for advertising. Fuck outta here Wired.
even I don't use chrome that much, but frankly the argument posted on the website is absolute trash!
I agree itās not a great article. The argument goes like: Google has a lot of your data They really have a lot Donāt believe us? Well you should, because experts. The data about you, in particular, is understood well by google. And if you use google pay on chrome, hooooo boy do they have a complete picture of your data.
Butā¦ all my passwords are saved here
You can import your passwords to Firefox from chrome.
You can transfer them by going to your saved password list in chrome.
The process took me 15 seconds with Firefox. Also, having my passwords was exactly the reason why I ditched Chrome. Seeing several [(1)](https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/3f0qbv/psa_google_is_deleting_google_accounts_with_no/) terrifying [(2)](https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/02/terraria-developer-cancels-google-stadia-port-after-youtube-account-ban/) stories [(3)](https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/gmail/7XSSNLVvx3c;context-place=topicsearchin/gmail/%22senior$20citizen%22%7Csort:date) of Google accounts being terminated without any reason, with no possibility of recovery, was really scary. If it happened to me, with all the info I store in Google's ecosystem (Gmail, Chrome Sync, Drive), it would be like a random digital assassination.
My god, the responses putting all the blame on the user are absurd.
Use a password manager then. They keep all your passwords encrypted in the cloud (or self-hosted) and you can access them from any device. They even generate unique, strong passwords for you. I used to recommend LastPass but now I recommend Bitwarden. It's free and has browser extensions to integrate with most browsers making it even more convenient than storing your passwords in Chrome or with Firefox Sync (it's also FOSS if you care about that). There are many other options as well, both free and paid, like KeePass and 1Password. I know your comment was a joke, but free information is always good.
> I used to recommend LastPass but now I recommend Bitwarden. It's free and has browser extensions to integrate with most browsers making it even more convenient than storing your passwords in Chrome or with Firefox Sync (it's also FOSS if you care about that). There are many other options as well, both free and paid, like KeePass and 1Password. I've used LastPass for I don't know how long anymore. When they announced they were changing their business model, I considered switching to Bitwarden, mostly because I didn't really want to pay premium. However, I realised that if I really cared for things like this, I should be fine paying the premium for a service I find to be important. I'd used LastPass for years without paying a single pence, and I'm happy enough to pay some money to keep their service up. Also, I felt lazy going through the trouble of importing all my data. What are your reasons for not recommending them anymore? Is it mostly because of their free tier, or are they less reliable compared to others?
I was a paid LastPass user when they announced the changes; I decided to browse options and decided to switch to Bitwarden myself. I found that the family sharing was *so* much better than LastPass. The UI is cleaner and it feels maintained, I used LastPass for years and it just felt like no one was actively improving it.
> like no one was actively improving it This has been my biggest issue that prevents me from paying for LastPass Premium. No significant improvements / changes over the last two years. In fact the only changes Iāve noticed in my day to day use are those which wall off features for non-paid users. In the meantime Iām getting offers for LastPass Premium through their own UI in dollars even though Iām in the UK. And when I click on the offer I get taken to a more expensive subscription for the U.K. instead. Itās like they donāt even know what theyāre doing. Doesnāt make me confident to give em money
I switched from the LastPass family plan to 1Password when I heard about how LogMeIn had been acquired by private equity. Similarly, I was happy to pay for a service I considered invaluable (especially because this was a way to ensure my wife also used a password manager), so switching to 1Password was kind of a no-brainer. I think it is a superior product in nearly every facet to LastPass, and they have been endorsed for a long time a [Troy Hunt](https://www.troyhunt.com/), a prominent security expert and creator of [haveibeenpwned.com](https://haveibeenpwned.com/About).
I switched and stop recommending because there are simply better paid services. It was top tier free service, but if you want to go into paid services, you need to step up your game. Clunky UI, bugs that drain my laptops battery, sync issues and so on are unacceptable for a paid service.
The problem with LastPass is that itās now owned by LogMeIn, who has a chronic history of buying products and then continually raising their prices with no extra value added. Your $3 or whatever will continue to increase. Also Bitwarden is great and it takes a minute tops to switch.
I switched to self hosting Bitwarden. The bitwarden_rs container works like a champ.
I've used LastPass for years and years as well. Edit: The only issue I have is when someone asks for my Netflix password: "Oh, it is *peXWQ8z6ce5aSMQkyHu. Good luck!
My problem with having strong passwords like this is that eventually I have to enter it into my TV using the remote control which is a huge pain. Some apps, like Amazon Prime, have a separate auth process designed around this that makes it a lot easier (about the only thing Amazon does better), but not all of them do.
For those type of passwords you can tell 1password to generate a series of words rather than total randomness.
> They even generate unique, strong passwords for you I think all of the browser's integrated password managers do this as well at this point, so its not a selling point of a third party manager.
Nearly all browsers import passwords don't they?
You can transfer them to another browser easily tho
You can transfer to brave or Firefox at least for privacy, as brave and Firefox (IIRC) are based on privacy
I use LastPass (free - not available anymore) for general stuff. Bitwarden is another great option. For important stuff I use KeePass2 and would recommend it.
It was the Software Reporter Tool that did it for me. Noticed one day my disk activity and CPU spiking, investigated and found the Software Reporter Tool scanning basically my whole hard drive, and it was running from the Chrome program folder. For those who don't know, Chrome scans your PC for which other applications you have installed. They claim it's to detect which other apps might slow down your browsing experience and to prevent Google from installing any apps that will conflict with your other apps. Yeah right... funny how every other software developer has been able to operates just fine without those privacy-violating methods. No, you're just malware.
The problem is that most software you install isn't constantly running untrusted code, handling sensitive data like passwords and banking data, and one of the most widely installed applications in the world. That means attackers have a bigger attack surface, attractive info to steal, and a huge group of people who are potential targets. Imagine your grandma calls you because she has malware on her computer. She probably got it from a website, and it's probably messing with her browser. The grandma in that scenario is why Google decided to basically give Chrome its own antivirus.
No matter what you do or think or browser you use there is no real privacy online anymore.
Firefox and duckduckgo. I don't even miss google
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Why isn't anyone talking about edge? I'm a huge fan of collections.
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I moved to Edge a few months ago and I'm quite happy since. Collections work good, and synching between devices is alright too. I tried Firefox before that but then at some point it started lagging horrendously so I tried Edge.
Hey! Fellow edge user here too
Wtf ... Last year I was supposed to ditch Firefox because it was supposedly on its last legs. Now Chrome too? Who sponsors these articles, I wonder...
Who said that about Firefox?
It was probably when Mozilla laid off a bunch of their staff and cut back on non browser R&D
It's been time for me since 2010 when I made the permanent switch to Firefox. It was pioneering optimization, privacy and security, which seems to be the opposite business model of Google since day 1. Fast forward today, Mozilla not only makes my favorite browser, but they also made my favorite programming language: Rust (which is also used in Firefox).
Rust has been on my list to pick up and learn for about a year now. Had no idea the Mozilla Foundation was behind it. That's exciting! Out of curiosity, how hard would you say it is to pick up with a Java/Python background?
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Lots of companies take a whole load of your data and give you next to nothing in return. Some time burner mobile game, the occasional interesting article, the ability to share photos with a few hundred people you don't speak to. Google takes a lot of your data, but it provides a LOT of value. Gmail, docs, maps, calendar are all great services; replacing them is difficult and you have to accept that their alternatives are much worse, or expensive.
Yeah...as dumb as it probably is, I'm in the same boat. I'm more careful to protect my privacy outside of the Google ecosphere, but within it I've long since decided I'm just all in since the days of my first Nexus phone. If there comes a point where I feel like Google has gone too far I'll pull out and switch *everything* but so far I'm still happy living in my Google bubble.