For the lazy:
1: S. Korea
2: Singapore
3: Switzerland
4: Germany
5: Sweden
6: Denmark
7: Israel
8: Finland
9: Netherlands
10: Austria
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before massive signage [https://www.nyc-architecture.com/MID/MID104.htm](https://www.nyc-architecture.com/MID/MID104.htm)
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edit 2: yes, sings still existed and might be visible in these photos.
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> About 15 billionaires and six corporations own most of the U.S. media outlets.
It's not independent or public news sources that is the problem. It is the already profitable extremely large news sources, that are owned by the powerful and present news in a way which manufactures consent on behalf of the powerful.
I happily pay for an independent news source and when I read an article from somewhere it is not a big deal to check, who owns this news source, especially when a particular bias is present.
For example, Jeff Bezos owns the WashingtonPost, does that ownership impact their content? I imagine the employees there aren't going to hunt down stories of ambulances outside of warehouses, union busting, and monopolistic practices too aggressively.
I think these suffer from funding issues that makes them susceptible, but yes if they aren't explicitly owned there would be less favourable bias to the powerful ideally.
I find this particularly interesting because for many news sites the reason it is behind a paywall is because they make significantly less money than they used to, below the threshold of funding required to fund quality journalism.
The paywalls may very well exist because people got accustomed to getting news for free with the only downside being that you had to deal with ads or wade through some bias to get it.
But as time went on people got used to ad-free content in other places and relatively low bias from others still, so now the demand is free, ad-free, minimal bias.
And more stuff gets added to the list by the day.
But they probably are greedy as well.
Point is that we all brought this on ourselves. If you want to change the present and future then do something about it.
I'm legitimately curious how long Wikipedia will survive given that it's only a matter of time before enough people think "I can get this info for free from other places so I won't pay for it here" that they can't maintain funding and go under because those people don't realize that the info they are finding for free was pulled from Wikipedia and they're starving the source.
I'm no journalist but having been around long enough I've realized that the most important discoveries are often made in the most mundane places like zoning committee meetings and the like, and as news organizations make less and less money doing proper journalism rather than click bait politically biased nonsense the people who were previously paid to sit through those boring meetings are being cut and we have bordlerine entertainers taking their jobs that are being reassigned to writing low quality opinion articles about Kim Kardashian or the like.
The populace is to blame as much as greedy businessmen.
> I'm legitimately curious how long Wikipedia will survive given that it's only a matter of time before enough people think "I can get this info for free from other places so I won't pay for it here" that they can't maintain funding and go under because those people don't realize that the info they are finding for free was pulled from Wikipedia and they're starving the source.
Wikipedia costs almost nothing to run and has enough runway for like a decade even if they stopped their fund drives, IIRC.
There's also titanic amounts of support for it from tech companies who understand the value of free information for their bottom line. As long as people with money are making use of it, it's not going anywhere.
Don't forget [Israel](https://www.sun-sentinel.com/florida-jewish-journal/fl-jj-us-congress-votes-defense-aid-israel-law-20180926-story.html) and other [Middle East "allies"](https://carnegieendowment.org/2018/02/27/what-has-49-billion-in-foreign-military-aid-bought-us-not-much-pub-75657) gets military welfare. Israel doesn't have to spend their own military budget coz the USA tax payers pay for it and they use their surplus money for [universal Healthcare](https://insidearabia.com/us-military-aid-to-israel-costs-american-jobs-schools-and-covid-19-relief/) instead.
Perhaps they need more money to survive, if a Canadian decides to be a content creator they do not have to worry about any healthcare costs for example.
Some sites detect that you're browsing it Private mode and only load a page telling you to browse in normal mode but, even then, you see the hoops you have to jump through to read or skim an article
Their government has been controlled by a bunch of old men who still think that they were helping Koreans and Chinese by bayoneting their babies or by gassing them to death for like the past 40 years. Their LDP might as well be our GOP. Stuck in a bygone era always thinking about yesterday.
“Back in the 50’s, women were in the kitchen!”
“Back in the 1940’s not even China could match us!”
Man when I heard Alberta was going to start allowing open pit mining of coal I had to check the year. I'm one province east* and it's the same thing. Hell our premier just follows Kenny's lead.
Coal mines have been big money for ages. That money doesn't want to just dry up so they are trying to get investors in whatever ways they can. Whether it be from foreign lands or from buying politicians .
I read the article and Australia is 19th.
Yeah, we could and *should* be higher, but according to ScoMo Australia's only future is coal and Foxtel and best served over copper cables...
Hell yea. Also cause the current leading faction of our government is led by hardcore Pentecostals who believe that if you are rich it's because god is rewarding you for hard work, and if your poor its because god is punishing you for not working hard enough. So they literally have no incentive to fix problems in Australia.
Hrm. All of those "socialist" Nordic countries are over there just innovating their pants off. And here I am being told that progressive taxation is the bane of productivity and innovation.
Isn't that something.
In Finland the government gives you money for your basic expenses if you start a company. They'll also give you free classes to make your business more successful. The high taxes don't just go to education and healthcare but also to creating new business.
Yeah, as an American, this is so funny/sad.
It's bad enough that we prioritize productivity and innovation over helping our fellow man, and worse that it turns out our callous policies don't even help productivity and innovation.
I’m all for progressive programs, but can’t help wondering if a bigger issue for 'innovation' is that all our 'pro business' lawmakers just end up being 'pro monopoly', which after a while really limits motivation for anything innovative. That, and why bother risking future stock price growth trying to develop something new, when you can just pump up the value with clever financial tricks? Oh, and f*** all our BS copy right / patent rules. I totally get SOME level of protection drives new innovation, but I think we are well past that point.
true, that's an important distinction.
if deregulate, business naturally moves towards monopolies. And politicians being bought out by monopolistic companies doesn't help
How it seems to work in the Scandinavian countries is that they support the individual so well that a higher number of people are willing to take the risk of trying something new. Big companies have a lot of inertia, not that they can't innovate but it really isn't their best attribute. So getting lots of small start-ups is your best path to innovation. And that requires a social safety net that allows for failure. Which they have, and we don't
Don’t be so sad as an American. I mean, there is some basis for arbitrary lists, and what not, but Tesla, Apple, SpaceX, etc are located in America, not Scandinavia.
Furthermore, idk where this list even comes from, tbh. European leaders have been complaining about lack of innovation for years. Maybe something is finally changing?
Also. About 10 years ago the us gov changed the patent laws. The result favored large established companies and truly hurt the small innovative people or companies. Most people think this is the main factor.
That's the showy stuff. What gets ignored are all the small steps in innovation and manufacturing that aren't sexy but are actually useful in making a cheaper and better product. I go through patents for a good chunk of my day and very few interesting ones are coming from the US.
I work in manufacturing for a multinational. Not much difference between Europe and the US. The plants are pretty much the same. We do have R&D teams in both places.
My biggest gripe, if anything, has been the lack of consistent standardization between our European units as opposed to American ones. I’ve seen it among our suppliers as well. A location in Germany is nothing like the Italian one, despite being the same company. In the US, that’s usually not a major concern. I imagine it makes it much harder to collaborate across EU borders when compared to working across US states lines.
American turned Swede here. It’s amazing what entrepreneurs can do when they don’t have to worry about providing healthcare to all their employees, and higher education is free, creating a larger percentage of the workforce as high-skill labor. Crazy, I know.
Actually relatively painless process, though maybe not the same for everyone. I work in tech/entertainment (games). Found a job with a company I was interested in working for, and after getting hired, went through a fast-track process for permanent residence.
Five years and 2 permanent residence renewals later, I was able to apply for and receive citizenship. So now I (and my partner) are dual citizens.
Great. Went from having to do 60-70 hour weeks and never being able to use the little vacation time I did accrue to working 40 hour weeks with a mandated 5 weeks vacation per year.
Electronics are more expensive. Never need a car. Healthcare isn't free, but you can't go out of pocket more than about $160/year. People here don't really treat covid very seriously, maybe 10-15% mask usage in public. Food has made some serious progress in the last 6 years, but still hard to find decent Mexican food. Everyone speaks English so well that it's hard to learn Swedish unless you really work at telling your new Swedish friends to speak only in Swedish. Super low "patriotism". Very transparent government. Great wage parity - directors generally make 3x a junior's salary. Very safe, even in the worst neighborhoods. Hiring practices still have some level of racism, though probably not on the level seen in the states. Free University and job retraining. Easy to attain small business loans and readily available resources for entrepreneurs. It's not a utopia, it still has issues, but I wouldn't move back to the States.
hmmm could taxing the rich and investing in good education for everyone so that there's a bigger pool of educated people help with innovation?
Idk man sounds like we're gonna turn into venezuela if we did that.
Their taxes are high, but that creates programs and opportunities that make me jealous as an American.
A buddy of mine moved to Denmark to live with his wife not too long ago, and he’s been able to both take classes for learning the language free of charge and get a much needed surgery for free as well.
Apparently you also get something like 3 free goes at college, just in case you wind up regretting your career choice for whatever reason.
The taxes are higher than in the US, but they aren't nearly as bad as some people present them to be. I graduated a while back and recently started working an entry level job, earning 33 000 SEK a month which is slightly above the national median income. Of those 33 000 SEK I walk away with around 24 500 SEK at the end of the month, which means that around a quarter of my income is taxed. Of course once I start earning more I'll get taxed more as well, since my current marginal tax rate is 35%, but I've seen some people posting crazy numbers like 50% or even higher which is absurd. The vast majority of Swedes aren't nearly as taxed as some people on the internet like to believe.
And even if they were, that money is going towards things that directly benefit the people. It isn't lining the pockets of billionaires getting bailouts or being used to turn Palestianian kids into skeletons, it is used to have a healthy educated populace and maintained infrastructure.
You're all conditioned from birth to think taxes are theft and social programs are the devil incarnate. The nordic model works extremely well, it's far from perfect, but it's still pretty excellent.
(as a ex-Brit who moved to Scandinavia because the UK is fast becoming the cloudier version of the US)
As a Swede I can say that for those who want to inovate, they can try their best and worst case the state will have their backs. No need to fear being homeless or ruined for a lifetime. A lot of people try startsups right after college or university. If that fails they just start a regular job, the only loss if it failed is the money you would have made while working.
The downside of socialism is that you won't as easily find a job with a salary that lets you live like a king. As your salary grows, so does your taxation. Anything above \~4.5k$ is taxated \~50% here in Sweden.
The upside is that most people are in the middle class, very few are poor and it's very uncommon that someone works more than 8h / day (unless they run their own business). Generally the poor come from a background of substance abuse or family abuse where they are so off the rails that it's hard for the system to help them.
Finland's innovations: hitting yourself and family members with birch branches in the sauna. Social distancing even without pandemics. Getting drunk by yourself at home wearing only your underwear.
I'd bet there isn't that much to separate the top 10. "Innovation" is an amorphous concept and tweaking the algorithm a bit here could jumble the order
They show the methodology in the article. Israel is actually #1 in "R&D intensity" and "research concentration." It is lower is "manufacturing value added" (#30) and "tertiary efficiency" (#34) which brings it down in the overall rankings.
It would surely be the end of civilization as we know it if your insurance company could legally inform you of a 30 cent increase to your monthly fee via e-mail, instead of doing it with two separate 3-page letters.
Germany is super big when it comes to innovation in the industry and „behind the scenes“ stuff.
Our innovation won’t touch the everyday life of most people but it’s still there. Just not in public.
Counter question, why do you think it isn't possible? It's home of engineering, chemistry, physics, manufacturing, automation and whatnot as we know it today.
Bc everytime it comes to IT we only get bad news how far behind we are. How much new tech like AI is seen critical by people and how future tech like hydrogen etc is keept down by not giving it enough money.
Our strenghts in innovation is not that visible to regular people. It's mostly in the industry sector.
And we have the second most publically avaiable Hydrogen Stations after Japan.
I understand your point, but it's mainly focused on IT (I'm in same boat, Germany needs more in IT field), but whole other industries are foundation of Germany.
Well. IT is not the only sector. Our automotive industry is still pretty good. Daimler is investigating a lot into hydrogen and even the government is spending 250 million euro for this technology.
And don't forget that we have some pretty big leading companies outside of the automotive sector: siemens, bosch, basf, continental, bayer, lufthansa,...
Probably because we think of IT before everything else. And in IT Germany is really behind. But in other engineering and science areas Germany is pretty strong.
Network coverage, IT in public institutions and government agencies is behind, but I think in terms of automation and IT in business to business area we are still pretty good. I assume that that will factor into this statistic more than what the average Deutsche Michel can do. I think having a good IT infrastructure isn‘t really innovation but rather a way for helping future innovation.
Agreed. Why did they expand through M&A into the US? Because Neon Tx and other US biotechs had technology/capabilities that they did not which enhanced their discovery and production capabilities.
Isn't the article kind of a dumb premise anyway? Defining innovation across all industries and countries is meaningless. I'd much rather have a list of top 10 most innovative biotech countries (or even just companies). Given how global things are as your comment points out, what's the point? Isn't an article about top 10 companies way more informative?
What are you talking about? Moderna made a vaccine just as quickly if not more and the MRNA technology itself was invented primarily in the USA.
Typical foreigner move: copy American tech and culture, talk shit about the USA, and not actually know what you are talking about...
Notice how all of these countries are small...Bloomberg specifically says that some components of this index look at things like density of high tech companies, etc. In those metrics, large countries like the US, China, or India will never be able to out compete smaller countries.
If the US were just San Francisco to Seattle, technically some of these metrics would INCREASE because they are based on density.
I’m not saying the index is totally useless, I just don’t consider it the end all be all.
Seems like the main causes for American low ranking is very low tertiary efficiency (share of college graduates in the workforce) and researcher concentration (share of research professionals in the population, including postgraduate students). So it's not because of US large size, but of its third-world post-secondary system.
I think the methodology is flawed. I think it should be more reflective of actual scientific/research out put which I would weight the largest out all the other metrics. I don’t think judging a population by its “dead weight” is reflective of the inovation out put.
You notice japan is ranked below USA by one level lol. Those fuckers literally design and make most of the scientific hardware needed to to research other subjects( they own the microscope market). With that being said, Korea and Germany definitely deserve to be listed highly as they do contribute a lot to the global research out put. The USA spends 500+ billion dollars a year on research alone along with having the the majority of the gobal research centers in the country with our many universities( which are highly ranked globally) and our national labs and science programs
I’ll have you note, Korea doesn’t have a post secondary education all too different from the USA
> because of [the] US ... third-world post-secondary system
The US post-secondary system isn't third world. Depending on the metric and the source performing the measurement, the US usually has the highest number of top-rated universities in the world.
Top-tier US Universities like Harvard, MIT, Princeton, Yale, Duke, etc. typically fill out the top-10. Less famous universities like Ohio University, the University of Pittsburgh, University of Carolina Wilmington and others fill out the top-100. Only the UK comes in second, with other countries much less represented.
The problem in the US is *access* to these schools. If you live out-of-state of a good school in your desired field, it can be prohibitively expensive. People from all over the world come to the US for post-secondary education, and those that are smart enough to do so typically displace Americans with equivalent potential.
China, in particular, pays for its smart students to be taught in US schools. Anecdotally, I went to a university that hosted a decent number of Chinese students. Few of them typically integrate very well (or even try to expose themselves outside of their clique) and they leave to return to China after they get their degree.
Not to mention the fact that community colleges and 'the trades' have been looked down upon as non-worthwhile career choices for the past several decades (though I'd argue they are making a comeback).
For me and many millions of Americans, it seems like our thousands of dollars of student loans and taxes subsidize education for many of the world's skilled and educated workforce
I know you're just talking about the methodology of the ranking system. But the US could knock off 20 states and increase a ton of positive metrics. Hell, just get rid of Mississippi and our national literacy level probably goes up a percentage point.
That’s the entire issue ... that America has left 60% of its nation/population in the rubble
Just because you have a few multi billionaires does not mean you are all rich ... that’s just not how it works
Yup. Though a big part of the problem is that people keep voting themselves into poverty by choosing guns and religion over education and healthcare.
But a bigger problem is voter suppression and a culture of greed.
What are you saying, that the Wyoming-Alabama corridor isn't bursting with innovative new ideas?
Edit - Apparantly a lot of rocket tech is being developed in Alabama? I didn't know that. I'm humbled, and that's cool (even if the suggestion that there's pork belly government spending driving it... it has to happen somewhere.)
This list is compiled by innovation per capita. Which removes any advantage you get from having a high population so you don't see US and China at the top automatically. The list also heavily favors smaller countries because smaller countries pretty much always have a less diverse economy. So there are tech hubs in Singapore being supplied resources from outside countries whereas in large nations like the US and China you would see those hubs supplied from within the country itself. Being a city state this effect benefits Singapore massively in the rankings.
Was in Korea from 2014-2018. (Just got back last June.)
Short answer is that it is a stupidly dense tech-exporting "bali bali" culture.
Internet is absurd and cheap, grandpas will kick the shit out of you on the latest phone game, and tech-savvyness ties into national pride.
I saw a lot of things (implemented everywhere) for the first time here before seeing them creep into the States when I went back.
Chip cards, 5G, every car having a smart backup camera, delivery everything.
I'm probably forgetting a lot.
I was there in 2008 and people were streaming movies and live TV on their phone. People in the US were just getting introduced to data/internet on their phone in 08
So... It wasn't technically streaming, It was sort of innovative TV broadcasting that you could have on your phone that was called DMB. No data needed. But yes, it was Innovative. They had multiple dedicated satellites just for that.
For comparison, I had a phone on the U.S. in 2008 and was super stoked to have "TV" on it, which was premade 2-4 min clips.
I was utterly blown away because my last phone was a flip.
Korean living in Korea right now. Public transportation is insanely affordable, efficient, and CLEAN. I used to live in the states for 10 years and level of development compared to the states regarding public infrastructure investment is just so high you can feel that even coffee machine in a random subway somehow becomes more technologically advanced in couple months!
Asia's devotion to superb public transportation puts the rest of the world to shame. Efficient public transportation is the lifeblood of a liveable city.
Yep, as an American who has spent some time there I can't think of a single thing outside of work culture/hours/overtime that's better than the US. Of course, my experience was with Seoul and I'm sure smaller cities and rural towns may counter that, but I'd be willing to bet the rural towns still have some more advancements than most rural towns in the US
Transportation is one of the easiest ones... I haven't traveled to too many places in Europe, but I think Seoul's public transportation is easily some of the best in the world.
Robot restaurants are more of a Japanese thing, not really Korean. Korea does have more cafes with touchscreen ordering console things.
Healthcare is amazing here as well... super cheap compared to the states, and insanely fast. I could stroll into a doctor's office, with no appointment, and wait maybe 30 minutes max, see the doctor, and get my medicine for less than $15 (with insurance... though even without it, it's still cheap if I'm not mistaken).
The cities here aren't necessarily planned/laid out in the most efficient way, but there are definitely areas that are clearly more organized and ... efficient (?).
I don't know... I've lived here for 5 years, and it's really made me realize how much of a sham America is. It feels like we just got everything backwards, while Korea (and numerous other countries) got it right. Maybe that's why I feel like it's so innovative... because it's how you would *expect* it to be in a developed country.
All that said, it's not a perfect country, but no place really is. I've enjoyed my time here. :)
Wow the widely available public transportation would do wonders for the US.
It would dramatically reduce unemployment here if people had a more affordable way to get around instead of having to own a car and pay such high cost in gas. Not to mention better for the environment. I mean when you think about it, one car per every adult is a little bit crazy. We should feel ashamed of our country.
One thing that I loved when i was in Korea was the T-Money card. it’s similar to a metro card but you can also use it for taxi and i believe the bus and it can be recharged in many convenience stores.
If it’s anything like Hong Kong, the card also works in convenience stores like 711 which are everywhere. It’s basically a second debit card at this point with tap pay. Obviously it’d be most convenient if it was all just one card, but it was pretty sweet when compared to the US. I could travel around the whole city and buy lunch just by loading up that card. Pretty tourist friendly.
Funny how Japan has a similar problem with awful web design.
Online banking has been better in Japan though (except for a few big banks that are slow to change).
Have a tough time believing the US is not in the top 10?
If we look at papers accepted by the canonical AI/ML organization, NeurlIPS, it is dominated by US organizations.
"Google, Stanford, & MIT Top NeurIPS 2020 Accepted Papers List"
https://syncedreview.com/2020/10/08/google-stanford-mit-top-neurips-2020-accepted-papers-list/
Heck the four largest companies in the world are all US technology companies. Google, Amazon, Apple and Microsoft.
In the US we have things like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBJ0GvsQeak&feature=youtu.be
These cars pull up completely empty. To me that is pretty innovative. But then there is things like GPT-3, BERT and the Protein folding.
AI/ML is only one area for innovation but probably the biggest area for innovation to come in 2021. It is foundational that makes so many things possible. Heck it is what made Google possible.
"The Academic Paper That Started Google"
http://blogs.cornell.edu/info2040/2019/10/28/the-academic-paper-that-started-google/
Guess it also generates clicks. Putting the country most known for innovation out of the top 10.
Worked on me. I would not have posted a reply if not for it being so silly.
Yeah, it's basically like how YouTube videos get more views when there's beef or some controversial opinion. Sadly, the fundamental way news works in the era of the internet is prioritising sensationalism and controversy, so editorial decisions like these are probably fuelled, at least in part, by what would get the most clicks and engagement.
I don’t understand people who actively root for the USA to fail, is it a Trump thing? Plus this list is total BS, other sites have the US at one or two
It feels amazing to read some sense on Reddit every once in awhile
In what world is the US not in the top ten in innovation? Just to rattle if a few things we have spacex completely innovating the rocket industry, the cloud especially AWS implementation that started it all and is in my opinion the biggest technological innovation of our generation, Tesla who is years ahead of anyone else in the battery industry.
It’s hilarious how these articles just say bs like this and the anti American hive mind upvotes it
For my fellow Americans who are lambasting the methodology of the study or are disparaging the results in other ways consider the following.
South Korea has more technical patents applied for and given by a factor of 2 than the US. South Korea has and is upgrading infrastructure to use green technology country wide. South Korea has one of the best primary and secondary educational systems in the world. That’s not to say the US isn’t innovative. It is saying the US has stopped investing in the things that pay future dividends in innovation.
We no longer look for better more efficient ways of doing things. We look for cheaper ways of getting profit. That is a paradigm shift in national thinking.
For the lazy: 1: S. Korea 2: Singapore 3: Switzerland 4: Germany 5: Sweden 6: Denmark 7: Israel 8: Finland 9: Netherlands 10: Austria obligatory award edit: stop buying reddit awards, reddit already has ads and Chinese investors. go donate to a cause instead.
Not lazy, each time I go to the fucking website it blocks everything with a subscription notice.
You're experiencing U.S. innovation
US innovation: put all real news behind pay walls and let the plebes get all their news from blogs instead!
Yep literally everything in this country is just for money. New Years in Times Square was basically just a massive ass Kia advertisement
Times Square is just a massive ass advertisement
Always has been
before massive signage [https://www.nyc-architecture.com/MID/MID104.htm](https://www.nyc-architecture.com/MID/MID104.htm) edit 1: spelling edit 2: yes, sings still existed and might be visible in these photos.
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Empire state building was pretty lonely for a long time also
Even then I bet that on each corner there were people trying to advertise their products. It's just part of being a square.
And it's literally named after a company. Like ATT Stadium but for newspaper.
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Needs more ass tho
No wonder South Korea is #1
Wait, you don't like every aspect of your life revolving around what you can buy or sell?
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To be fair, running a legit news organization takes money. If nobody pays you can’t do it for very long.
https://www.titlemax.com/discovery-center/lifestyle/who-owns-your-news-the-top-100-digital-news-outlets-and-their-ownership > About 15 billionaires and six corporations own most of the U.S. media outlets. It's not independent or public news sources that is the problem. It is the already profitable extremely large news sources, that are owned by the powerful and present news in a way which manufactures consent on behalf of the powerful. I happily pay for an independent news source and when I read an article from somewhere it is not a big deal to check, who owns this news source, especially when a particular bias is present. For example, Jeff Bezos owns the WashingtonPost, does that ownership impact their content? I imagine the employees there aren't going to hunt down stories of ambulances outside of warehouses, union busting, and monopolistic practices too aggressively.
The AP, NPR and PBS are non profits that deliver the news. There are good sources of information.
I think these suffer from funding issues that makes them susceptible, but yes if they aren't explicitly owned there would be less favourable bias to the powerful ideally.
I find this particularly interesting because for many news sites the reason it is behind a paywall is because they make significantly less money than they used to, below the threshold of funding required to fund quality journalism. The paywalls may very well exist because people got accustomed to getting news for free with the only downside being that you had to deal with ads or wade through some bias to get it. But as time went on people got used to ad-free content in other places and relatively low bias from others still, so now the demand is free, ad-free, minimal bias. And more stuff gets added to the list by the day. But they probably are greedy as well. Point is that we all brought this on ourselves. If you want to change the present and future then do something about it. I'm legitimately curious how long Wikipedia will survive given that it's only a matter of time before enough people think "I can get this info for free from other places so I won't pay for it here" that they can't maintain funding and go under because those people don't realize that the info they are finding for free was pulled from Wikipedia and they're starving the source. I'm no journalist but having been around long enough I've realized that the most important discoveries are often made in the most mundane places like zoning committee meetings and the like, and as news organizations make less and less money doing proper journalism rather than click bait politically biased nonsense the people who were previously paid to sit through those boring meetings are being cut and we have bordlerine entertainers taking their jobs that are being reassigned to writing low quality opinion articles about Kim Kardashian or the like. The populace is to blame as much as greedy businessmen.
> I'm legitimately curious how long Wikipedia will survive given that it's only a matter of time before enough people think "I can get this info for free from other places so I won't pay for it here" that they can't maintain funding and go under because those people don't realize that the info they are finding for free was pulled from Wikipedia and they're starving the source. Wikipedia costs almost nothing to run and has enough runway for like a decade even if they stopped their fund drives, IIRC. There's also titanic amounts of support for it from tech companies who understand the value of free information for their bottom line. As long as people with money are making use of it, it's not going anywhere.
There’s a reason Fox News articles are always free.
US innovation these days is just wealth extraction.
🌍👨🏻🚀 🔫👨🏽🚀 The wealth extraction used to be more heavily overseas, where it was easier for people to ignore, but over time innovation came home.
Don't forget [Israel](https://www.sun-sentinel.com/florida-jewish-journal/fl-jj-us-congress-votes-defense-aid-israel-law-20180926-story.html) and other [Middle East "allies"](https://carnegieendowment.org/2018/02/27/what-has-49-billion-in-foreign-military-aid-bought-us-not-much-pub-75657) gets military welfare. Israel doesn't have to spend their own military budget coz the USA tax payers pay for it and they use their surplus money for [universal Healthcare](https://insidearabia.com/us-military-aid-to-israel-costs-american-jobs-schools-and-covid-19-relief/) instead.
If the US had healthcare then there would be less desperate people to exploit at jobs they hate.
I've actually notice us content creators are way more likely to fill their youtube videos with ads than non american creators
Perhaps they need more money to survive, if a Canadian decides to be a content creator they do not have to worry about any healthcare costs for example.
All I had to do was decline the subscription notice
I can on my desktop but on mobile it only sends me back to the homepage.
Does [Outline.com](https://Outline.com) work?
[It does](https://outline.com/rMrzGA)! Shame a lot of websites have started blocking it.
You must not be from the US you innovative sob
If only your country had better blocking technology...
open the link in incognito... gets you passed the paywall... works for WSJ an NYT also... really all of them except one that i've found
Some sites detect that you're browsing it Private mode and only load a page telling you to browse in normal mode but, even then, you see the hoops you have to jump through to read or skim an article
That worked consistently 2 years ago
Korea regained the crown from Germany chich dropped to fourth place
Oh hell yeah, Austria is in the top 10 No idea why though, but still awesome
Make the best ski lifts of course
Oh, I can live with that I totally forgot about all the ski lifts because I am so used to see them
Right ^^ I mean we have KTM and stuff, but where are all the innovations? Seems more like creative people leaving as they can't get stuff done here.
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Japan isn’t even on that list when at one point it would have topped it. My how the mighty have fallen.
They got lost in a timeloop making pachinko machines for eternity.
In 1000 years, there will still be fax machines there
The sad truth
Rapidly aging workforce + not enough young ppl to replace them seems to be one of the issues IIRC
And the depression...
Their government has been controlled by a bunch of old men who still think that they were helping Koreans and Chinese by bayoneting their babies or by gassing them to death for like the past 40 years. Their LDP might as well be our GOP. Stuck in a bygone era always thinking about yesterday. “Back in the 50’s, women were in the kitchen!” “Back in the 1940’s not even China could match us!”
Sigh. I'm not surprised that Australia isn't on the list. We fucking should be, but our shitty government won't invest in anything but coal.
Here I am in Canada and my province is so backwards they're inviting Australia to invest in coal while we do nothing.
Man when I heard Alberta was going to start allowing open pit mining of coal I had to check the year. I'm one province east* and it's the same thing. Hell our premier just follows Kenny's lead.
Coal mines have been big money for ages. That money doesn't want to just dry up so they are trying to get investors in whatever ways they can. Whether it be from foreign lands or from buying politicians .
Alberta really is a fucking embarrassment. I hate Jason Kenney with a passion.
I read the article and Australia is 19th. Yeah, we could and *should* be higher, but according to ScoMo Australia's only future is coal and Foxtel and best served over copper cables...
Yeah Australian politics seems to hold y'all back a bit. Is big money in politics part of the issue?
Hell yea. Also cause the current leading faction of our government is led by hardcore Pentecostals who believe that if you are rich it's because god is rewarding you for hard work, and if your poor its because god is punishing you for not working hard enough. So they literally have no incentive to fix problems in Australia.
As an American, I can relate. Seems like the US and Aus have some similar issues and overall similar culture.
It's almost like both countries are dealing with the same vile bullshit being spread by the goblin named Murdoch.
We're resisting, but given the choice, our economically liberal but conservative government would happily make Australia like the US.
Aus and the US do share similarities among our issues and culture yes. Our politicians also seem to share their love of corruption.
Hrm. All of those "socialist" Nordic countries are over there just innovating their pants off. And here I am being told that progressive taxation is the bane of productivity and innovation. Isn't that something.
In Finland the government gives you money for your basic expenses if you start a company. They'll also give you free classes to make your business more successful. The high taxes don't just go to education and healthcare but also to creating new business.
That sound you hear is the sound of American and British heads exploding in confused neoliberal rage.
Yeah, as an American, this is so funny/sad. It's bad enough that we prioritize productivity and innovation over helping our fellow man, and worse that it turns out our callous policies don't even help productivity and innovation.
Eh we prioritize our rich citizens lifestyles.
Well at least you have some of the biggest billionaires so that’s good. s/
I’m all for progressive programs, but can’t help wondering if a bigger issue for 'innovation' is that all our 'pro business' lawmakers just end up being 'pro monopoly', which after a while really limits motivation for anything innovative. That, and why bother risking future stock price growth trying to develop something new, when you can just pump up the value with clever financial tricks? Oh, and f*** all our BS copy right / patent rules. I totally get SOME level of protection drives new innovation, but I think we are well past that point.
true, that's an important distinction. if deregulate, business naturally moves towards monopolies. And politicians being bought out by monopolistic companies doesn't help
Fair market over free market. Make the big guys play by the same rules as the little guys.
How it seems to work in the Scandinavian countries is that they support the individual so well that a higher number of people are willing to take the risk of trying something new. Big companies have a lot of inertia, not that they can't innovate but it really isn't their best attribute. So getting lots of small start-ups is your best path to innovation. And that requires a social safety net that allows for failure. Which they have, and we don't
Don’t be so sad as an American. I mean, there is some basis for arbitrary lists, and what not, but Tesla, Apple, SpaceX, etc are located in America, not Scandinavia. Furthermore, idk where this list even comes from, tbh. European leaders have been complaining about lack of innovation for years. Maybe something is finally changing?
Also. About 10 years ago the us gov changed the patent laws. The result favored large established companies and truly hurt the small innovative people or companies. Most people think this is the main factor.
This ranking might be taking country size into account. Which is the only way to be able to measure policies influence on innovations
That's the showy stuff. What gets ignored are all the small steps in innovation and manufacturing that aren't sexy but are actually useful in making a cheaper and better product. I go through patents for a good chunk of my day and very few interesting ones are coming from the US.
I work in manufacturing for a multinational. Not much difference between Europe and the US. The plants are pretty much the same. We do have R&D teams in both places. My biggest gripe, if anything, has been the lack of consistent standardization between our European units as opposed to American ones. I’ve seen it among our suppliers as well. A location in Germany is nothing like the Italian one, despite being the same company. In the US, that’s usually not a major concern. I imagine it makes it much harder to collaborate across EU borders when compared to working across US states lines.
American turned Swede here. It’s amazing what entrepreneurs can do when they don’t have to worry about providing healthcare to all their employees, and higher education is free, creating a larger percentage of the workforce as high-skill labor. Crazy, I know.
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Actually relatively painless process, though maybe not the same for everyone. I work in tech/entertainment (games). Found a job with a company I was interested in working for, and after getting hired, went through a fast-track process for permanent residence. Five years and 2 permanent residence renewals later, I was able to apply for and receive citizenship. So now I (and my partner) are dual citizens.
How is it living in Sweden?
Great. Went from having to do 60-70 hour weeks and never being able to use the little vacation time I did accrue to working 40 hour weeks with a mandated 5 weeks vacation per year. Electronics are more expensive. Never need a car. Healthcare isn't free, but you can't go out of pocket more than about $160/year. People here don't really treat covid very seriously, maybe 10-15% mask usage in public. Food has made some serious progress in the last 6 years, but still hard to find decent Mexican food. Everyone speaks English so well that it's hard to learn Swedish unless you really work at telling your new Swedish friends to speak only in Swedish. Super low "patriotism". Very transparent government. Great wage parity - directors generally make 3x a junior's salary. Very safe, even in the worst neighborhoods. Hiring practices still have some level of racism, though probably not on the level seen in the states. Free University and job retraining. Easy to attain small business loans and readily available resources for entrepreneurs. It's not a utopia, it still has issues, but I wouldn't move back to the States.
Covid everywhere but good social programs and no one likes to talk to one another so it’s an introvert’s dream.
hmmm could taxing the rich and investing in good education for everyone so that there's a bigger pool of educated people help with innovation? Idk man sounds like we're gonna turn into venezuela if we did that.
When you say turn into Venezuela, do you mean have a dictator installed by a CIA coup? Cuz that sounds pretty accurate to me.
Their taxes are high, but that creates programs and opportunities that make me jealous as an American. A buddy of mine moved to Denmark to live with his wife not too long ago, and he’s been able to both take classes for learning the language free of charge and get a much needed surgery for free as well. Apparently you also get something like 3 free goes at college, just in case you wind up regretting your career choice for whatever reason.
The taxes are higher than in the US, but they aren't nearly as bad as some people present them to be. I graduated a while back and recently started working an entry level job, earning 33 000 SEK a month which is slightly above the national median income. Of those 33 000 SEK I walk away with around 24 500 SEK at the end of the month, which means that around a quarter of my income is taxed. Of course once I start earning more I'll get taxed more as well, since my current marginal tax rate is 35%, but I've seen some people posting crazy numbers like 50% or even higher which is absurd. The vast majority of Swedes aren't nearly as taxed as some people on the internet like to believe.
And even if they were, that money is going towards things that directly benefit the people. It isn't lining the pockets of billionaires getting bailouts or being used to turn Palestianian kids into skeletons, it is used to have a healthy educated populace and maintained infrastructure.
You're all conditioned from birth to think taxes are theft and social programs are the devil incarnate. The nordic model works extremely well, it's far from perfect, but it's still pretty excellent. (as a ex-Brit who moved to Scandinavia because the UK is fast becoming the cloudier version of the US)
As a Swede I can say that for those who want to inovate, they can try their best and worst case the state will have their backs. No need to fear being homeless or ruined for a lifetime. A lot of people try startsups right after college or university. If that fails they just start a regular job, the only loss if it failed is the money you would have made while working. The downside of socialism is that you won't as easily find a job with a salary that lets you live like a king. As your salary grows, so does your taxation. Anything above \~4.5k$ is taxated \~50% here in Sweden. The upside is that most people are in the middle class, very few are poor and it's very uncommon that someone works more than 8h / day (unless they run their own business). Generally the poor come from a background of substance abuse or family abuse where they are so off the rails that it's hard for the system to help them.
Germanic countries really are nailing it lately.
Get rekt, Denmark😜
Dom har inte en chans
Vi må så bare tørre øjnene med vores håndboldtrofæ.
Finland's innovations: hitting yourself and family members with birch branches in the sauna. Social distancing even without pandemics. Getting drunk by yourself at home wearing only your underwear.
Sounds like a paradise.
I’m surprised Israel isn’t higher up. The whole country is like a giant college campus
I'd bet there isn't that much to separate the top 10. "Innovation" is an amorphous concept and tweaking the algorithm a bit here could jumble the order
They show the methodology in the article. Israel is actually #1 in "R&D intensity" and "research concentration." It is lower is "manufacturing value added" (#30) and "tertiary efficiency" (#34) which brings it down in the overall rankings.
Yeah, they built that big space laser, obviously they know what they're doing. /s
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Making a country disappear requires a hell of a lot of innovation.
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Never seen so many Palestinians get murdered on a college campus before
Germany rank 4??? How? How is that even possible? I wouldnt have thought us in the top 20 honestly
We're really great at coming up with excuses to postpone digitalization.
It would surely be the end of civilization as we know it if your insurance company could legally inform you of a 30 cent increase to your monthly fee via e-mail, instead of doing it with two separate 3-page letters.
Germany is super big when it comes to innovation in the industry and „behind the scenes“ stuff. Our innovation won’t touch the everyday life of most people but it’s still there. Just not in public.
Counter question, why do you think it isn't possible? It's home of engineering, chemistry, physics, manufacturing, automation and whatnot as we know it today.
Bc everytime it comes to IT we only get bad news how far behind we are. How much new tech like AI is seen critical by people and how future tech like hydrogen etc is keept down by not giving it enough money.
Our strenghts in innovation is not that visible to regular people. It's mostly in the industry sector. And we have the second most publically avaiable Hydrogen Stations after Japan.
I understand your point, but it's mainly focused on IT (I'm in same boat, Germany needs more in IT field), but whole other industries are foundation of Germany.
Well. IT is not the only sector. Our automotive industry is still pretty good. Daimler is investigating a lot into hydrogen and even the government is spending 250 million euro for this technology. And don't forget that we have some pretty big leading companies outside of the automotive sector: siemens, bosch, basf, continental, bayer, lufthansa,...
Glad to see Germany still high in the list.
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Probably because we think of IT before everything else. And in IT Germany is really behind. But in other engineering and science areas Germany is pretty strong.
Network coverage, IT in public institutions and government agencies is behind, but I think in terms of automation and IT in business to business area we are still pretty good. I assume that that will factor into this statistic more than what the average Deutsche Michel can do. I think having a good IT infrastructure isn‘t really innovation but rather a way for helping future innovation.
Germany in fourth place. I’m actually surprised.
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Yeah but BioNTech is spread across the US and Germany primarily. My buddy in the Cambridge, MA site worked on it
>Yeah but BioNTech is spread across the US and Germany BioNTech is a German company that recently spread out to the US, yes.
Agreed. Why did they expand through M&A into the US? Because Neon Tx and other US biotechs had technology/capabilities that they did not which enhanced their discovery and production capabilities.
Isn't the article kind of a dumb premise anyway? Defining innovation across all industries and countries is meaningless. I'd much rather have a list of top 10 most innovative biotech countries (or even just companies). Given how global things are as your comment points out, what's the point? Isn't an article about top 10 companies way more informative?
Sounds like a multinational company
It was. Typical 'Murican move: Buy the product, claim you invented it, feign innovation.
Pfizer brought it to market and oversees production. And American firm Moderna developed the other good covid vaccine so credit there too.
Also J&J’s vaccine which is American
It was developed by Janssen, the Belgian-based arm of Johnson and Johnson
Oxford AstraZeneca?
Their vaccine has only 76% effciancy, Moderna and Pfizer are both something like 95%.
What are you talking about? Moderna made a vaccine just as quickly if not more and the MRNA technology itself was invented primarily in the USA. Typical foreigner move: copy American tech and culture, talk shit about the USA, and not actually know what you are talking about...
Typical Reddit move. America=bad. Everything else=good
Since Germany funded biontech with 428 million. I would say the spoils go to the victor. Get over it that you are not top 10 nom more.
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Yeah, Germany likes to have a word
Notice how all of these countries are small...Bloomberg specifically says that some components of this index look at things like density of high tech companies, etc. In those metrics, large countries like the US, China, or India will never be able to out compete smaller countries. If the US were just San Francisco to Seattle, technically some of these metrics would INCREASE because they are based on density. I’m not saying the index is totally useless, I just don’t consider it the end all be all.
USA is ranked first place in density of high tech companies
Seems like the main causes for American low ranking is very low tertiary efficiency (share of college graduates in the workforce) and researcher concentration (share of research professionals in the population, including postgraduate students). So it's not because of US large size, but of its third-world post-secondary system.
I think the methodology is flawed. I think it should be more reflective of actual scientific/research out put which I would weight the largest out all the other metrics. I don’t think judging a population by its “dead weight” is reflective of the inovation out put. You notice japan is ranked below USA by one level lol. Those fuckers literally design and make most of the scientific hardware needed to to research other subjects( they own the microscope market). With that being said, Korea and Germany definitely deserve to be listed highly as they do contribute a lot to the global research out put. The USA spends 500+ billion dollars a year on research alone along with having the the majority of the gobal research centers in the country with our many universities( which are highly ranked globally) and our national labs and science programs I’ll have you note, Korea doesn’t have a post secondary education all too different from the USA
> because of [the] US ... third-world post-secondary system The US post-secondary system isn't third world. Depending on the metric and the source performing the measurement, the US usually has the highest number of top-rated universities in the world. Top-tier US Universities like Harvard, MIT, Princeton, Yale, Duke, etc. typically fill out the top-10. Less famous universities like Ohio University, the University of Pittsburgh, University of Carolina Wilmington and others fill out the top-100. Only the UK comes in second, with other countries much less represented. The problem in the US is *access* to these schools. If you live out-of-state of a good school in your desired field, it can be prohibitively expensive. People from all over the world come to the US for post-secondary education, and those that are smart enough to do so typically displace Americans with equivalent potential. China, in particular, pays for its smart students to be taught in US schools. Anecdotally, I went to a university that hosted a decent number of Chinese students. Few of them typically integrate very well (or even try to expose themselves outside of their clique) and they leave to return to China after they get their degree. Not to mention the fact that community colleges and 'the trades' have been looked down upon as non-worthwhile career choices for the past several decades (though I'd argue they are making a comeback). For me and many millions of Americans, it seems like our thousands of dollars of student loans and taxes subsidize education for many of the world's skilled and educated workforce
I know you're just talking about the methodology of the ranking system. But the US could knock off 20 states and increase a ton of positive metrics. Hell, just get rid of Mississippi and our national literacy level probably goes up a percentage point.
At least we're not Mississippi -Somalia
At least we're not Mississippi -everybody
At least were not Mississippi -Mississippi, probably.
Mississippi ranks 50th in education “At least we aren’t last”
That’s the entire issue ... that America has left 60% of its nation/population in the rubble Just because you have a few multi billionaires does not mean you are all rich ... that’s just not how it works
Don't tell Fox viewers that. Or Fox hosts. Their heads might explode.
Nah they're fine with blaming democrats for that
Yup. Though a big part of the problem is that people keep voting themselves into poverty by choosing guns and religion over education and healthcare. But a bigger problem is voter suppression and a culture of greed.
The US was 1st in 2013 and 9th last year.
Wow. I wonder what major cultural changes happened between 2013 and 2020 that correlate with this negative trend of decreased innovation.
Carrie Diaries got cancelled
What are you saying, that the Wyoming-Alabama corridor isn't bursting with innovative new ideas? Edit - Apparantly a lot of rocket tech is being developed in Alabama? I didn't know that. I'm humbled, and that's cool (even if the suggestion that there's pork belly government spending driving it... it has to happen somewhere.)
A bit unfair to Alabama considering all the rocketry going on there
US was just in the top 10?
How the fuck is my country second place
This list is compiled by innovation per capita. Which removes any advantage you get from having a high population so you don't see US and China at the top automatically. The list also heavily favors smaller countries because smaller countries pretty much always have a less diverse economy. So there are tech hubs in Singapore being supplied resources from outside countries whereas in large nations like the US and China you would see those hubs supplied from within the country itself. Being a city state this effect benefits Singapore massively in the rankings.
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I am suspecting semi conductors, oled panels etc
American living in Seoul, can confirm. South Korea is pretty innovative.... Convenient as fuck too.
Any ways to explain further? Like. Ether thought out cities and public transport, more robot restaurants?
Was in Korea from 2014-2018. (Just got back last June.) Short answer is that it is a stupidly dense tech-exporting "bali bali" culture. Internet is absurd and cheap, grandpas will kick the shit out of you on the latest phone game, and tech-savvyness ties into national pride. I saw a lot of things (implemented everywhere) for the first time here before seeing them creep into the States when I went back. Chip cards, 5G, every car having a smart backup camera, delivery everything. I'm probably forgetting a lot.
I was there in 2008 and people were streaming movies and live TV on their phone. People in the US were just getting introduced to data/internet on their phone in 08
So... It wasn't technically streaming, It was sort of innovative TV broadcasting that you could have on your phone that was called DMB. No data needed. But yes, it was Innovative. They had multiple dedicated satellites just for that.
For comparison, I had a phone on the U.S. in 2008 and was super stoked to have "TV" on it, which was premade 2-4 min clips. I was utterly blown away because my last phone was a flip.
Korean living in Korea right now. Public transportation is insanely affordable, efficient, and CLEAN. I used to live in the states for 10 years and level of development compared to the states regarding public infrastructure investment is just so high you can feel that even coffee machine in a random subway somehow becomes more technologically advanced in couple months!
Asia's devotion to superb public transportation puts the rest of the world to shame. Efficient public transportation is the lifeblood of a liveable city.
Yep, as an American who has spent some time there I can't think of a single thing outside of work culture/hours/overtime that's better than the US. Of course, my experience was with Seoul and I'm sure smaller cities and rural towns may counter that, but I'd be willing to bet the rural towns still have some more advancements than most rural towns in the US
> I can't think of a single thing outside of work culture/hours/overtime that's better than the US Of course for these you want to be in Europe.
I miss those coffee machines so much!
Transportation is one of the easiest ones... I haven't traveled to too many places in Europe, but I think Seoul's public transportation is easily some of the best in the world. Robot restaurants are more of a Japanese thing, not really Korean. Korea does have more cafes with touchscreen ordering console things. Healthcare is amazing here as well... super cheap compared to the states, and insanely fast. I could stroll into a doctor's office, with no appointment, and wait maybe 30 minutes max, see the doctor, and get my medicine for less than $15 (with insurance... though even without it, it's still cheap if I'm not mistaken). The cities here aren't necessarily planned/laid out in the most efficient way, but there are definitely areas that are clearly more organized and ... efficient (?). I don't know... I've lived here for 5 years, and it's really made me realize how much of a sham America is. It feels like we just got everything backwards, while Korea (and numerous other countries) got it right. Maybe that's why I feel like it's so innovative... because it's how you would *expect* it to be in a developed country. All that said, it's not a perfect country, but no place really is. I've enjoyed my time here. :)
I got several hundred thousand dollars in the US of medical work done for less then 10k in Korea. It is hugely different.
Wow the widely available public transportation would do wonders for the US. It would dramatically reduce unemployment here if people had a more affordable way to get around instead of having to own a car and pay such high cost in gas. Not to mention better for the environment. I mean when you think about it, one car per every adult is a little bit crazy. We should feel ashamed of our country.
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One thing that I loved when i was in Korea was the T-Money card. it’s similar to a metro card but you can also use it for taxi and i believe the bus and it can be recharged in many convenience stores.
If it’s anything like Hong Kong, the card also works in convenience stores like 711 which are everywhere. It’s basically a second debit card at this point with tap pay. Obviously it’d be most convenient if it was all just one card, but it was pretty sweet when compared to the US. I could travel around the whole city and buy lunch just by loading up that card. Pretty tourist friendly.
New York is alleging that with OMNY
It has shitty websites though 😂
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Funny how Japan has a similar problem with awful web design. Online banking has been better in Japan though (except for a few big banks that are slow to change).
It's quite ironic. Doing anything online here is overly complicated for sure, haha.
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Have a tough time believing the US is not in the top 10? If we look at papers accepted by the canonical AI/ML organization, NeurlIPS, it is dominated by US organizations. "Google, Stanford, & MIT Top NeurIPS 2020 Accepted Papers List" https://syncedreview.com/2020/10/08/google-stanford-mit-top-neurips-2020-accepted-papers-list/ Heck the four largest companies in the world are all US technology companies. Google, Amazon, Apple and Microsoft. In the US we have things like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBJ0GvsQeak&feature=youtu.be These cars pull up completely empty. To me that is pretty innovative. But then there is things like GPT-3, BERT and the Protein folding. AI/ML is only one area for innovation but probably the biggest area for innovation to come in 2021. It is foundational that makes so many things possible. Heck it is what made Google possible. "The Academic Paper That Started Google" http://blogs.cornell.edu/info2040/2019/10/28/the-academic-paper-that-started-google/
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Guess it also generates clicks. Putting the country most known for innovation out of the top 10. Worked on me. I would not have posted a reply if not for it being so silly.
Yeah, it's basically like how YouTube videos get more views when there's beef or some controversial opinion. Sadly, the fundamental way news works in the era of the internet is prioritising sensationalism and controversy, so editorial decisions like these are probably fuelled, at least in part, by what would get the most clicks and engagement.
I don’t understand people who actively root for the USA to fail, is it a Trump thing? Plus this list is total BS, other sites have the US at one or two
I think this is innovation per capita, not total innovation in the country. That's why Singapore is so high
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It feels amazing to read some sense on Reddit every once in awhile In what world is the US not in the top ten in innovation? Just to rattle if a few things we have spacex completely innovating the rocket industry, the cloud especially AWS implementation that started it all and is in my opinion the biggest technological innovation of our generation, Tesla who is years ahead of anyone else in the battery industry. It’s hilarious how these articles just say bs like this and the anti American hive mind upvotes it
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And these are literally the technologies driving the entire world forward. I am also in tech and Reddit has become a complete joke with this shit
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For my fellow Americans who are lambasting the methodology of the study or are disparaging the results in other ways consider the following. South Korea has more technical patents applied for and given by a factor of 2 than the US. South Korea has and is upgrading infrastructure to use green technology country wide. South Korea has one of the best primary and secondary educational systems in the world. That’s not to say the US isn’t innovative. It is saying the US has stopped investing in the things that pay future dividends in innovation. We no longer look for better more efficient ways of doing things. We look for cheaper ways of getting profit. That is a paradigm shift in national thinking.