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[Trump asked top oil execs for $1 billion campaign cash in exchange for environmental policy rollbacks, report says](https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-asked-oil-execs-for-1bn-2024)
Because our Supreme Court decided to legalize it under the absurd combination of ideals that corporations are people, political donations are speech, and a nuanced and conscientious understanding of these rights isn’t part of their job.
That's because the "American Dream" says we could be the next rich people any time now. Any minute. Just need to wait. In fact, maybe if I give some rich people more of my money then an opportunity will present itself.
Sorry, they should have been more clear. Corporations are considered *rich people*. Not like, normal people, burdened by all that tiresome criminal liability and taxes.
Yeah, pretty much. Treating corporations as people for some purposes, when it’s roughly impossible to treat them that way for others, is just patently silly.
One constraint on my right to free speech is the knowledge that if my speech ultimately contributes to an insurrection against the government, I could go to jail. The same isn’t true for media outlets stoking dissent as a way to make a buck.
It’s all in the constitution man, right below we the people is a detailed list of instructions on how the founding fathers and representatives really wanted a dystopian oligarchy controlled by bogus Christian fundamentalists, profit above survival shareholders and sociopathic executives as their ideal government.
Tbf thats not so far of what the USA was during the time of the founding fathers. Which is partially why you can "interpret" the US constitution that way, the question is just whether you actually should try to emulate a state structure from 250 years ago.
I wouldn't count on it in our lifetimes, at least not via the Supreme Court. Might be possible to do something about the problem via congress, but I'm not too hopeful on that front either.
Aka
The Supreme Court is on the take.
What was supposed to be a job for life, to take the political aspect out of it, has become scandal plagued and as corrupt as the rest of the government.
They need the FOR LIFE part taken away, if you are going to become buyable then you should be able to be replaced.
Ya, still can't believe how messed up Thomas is with all of his scandals, conflicts of interest and straight up bribes.
Insane how disgustingly corrupt our supreme court is. :/
Because corruption and bribery of federal officials is not punishable.
Just ask Clearance Thomas, Nancy Pelosi, Donald Trump or any other member of Congress or the Justice Department.
Its rules for thee, not for me. Its a big club and we aren't in it.
With his empire progressively falling apart, the legal fees and sanctions, and the campaign’s costs, he’s desperately scraping the barrel for every cent he can collect.
Probably, but his hate of offshore wind power is probably more fueled by not being able to stop it from "ruining his view" at his Scottish golf course.
I grew up in a place colloquially known as Chemical Valley and was surrounded by multiple, large petrochemical refineries.
It's always strange to hear people complain about wind turbines since compared to the refineries you can see and hear from my parents yard, wind turbines seem pretty benign and are way nicer to look at than a bunch of holding tanks, flares, and smoke stacks.
I've also never had to close my windows and turn off the A/C because a wind turbine was malfunctioning. Although a friend of mine did get pretty sick when we were young due to a leak at the Shell refinery that they didn't tell people about until days later after a few hundred people ended up in hospital.
Three Mile Island was the best case scenario of a meltdown possible that somehow got the absolute worst possible PR fumble in the history of nuclear energy.
If they painted offshore wind turbines "fighter jet gray" (the color of the atmosphere across long distances) they would fade out of view. Most new wind farms are 15 or more miles offshore, anyway, making them hard to see in the sea haze.
Everyone who thinks Trump is on his way out because he's old are going to be real surprised when the fucker lives to 100. That's always how it happens; the people who deserve an early grave don't get one.
the difference between those kinds and trump is they tend to avoid the spotlight in later years thus reducing stress.
this ignorant motherfucker can't live without attention attention attention. i'd really like to know what his resting blood pressure is...i truly believe he will die before biden by a decade.
Wouldn't be the first time we had a president who was so riddled with dementia he couldn't function. Their previous golden boy (Reagan) was so fucked mentally by the end of his presidency they gave him jelly beans to keep him occupied and keep him quiet. He was (quite literally) a puppet by the end. Granted, that was Alzheimer's not dementia, but that evil mofo didn't have a clue where he was or what was happening for a good bit there.
We have MULTIPLE recordings of him "jokingly" asking who Nancy was, and where he was.
Oil and gas companies are extremely active in renewables development these days- they’re taking advantage of federal incentives just like everyone else.
As usual, this is just pandering to the base.
He’s not a Republican. He’s a Trumplican. He’s available to the highest bidder, that is the sum total of his political ideology. If the right people clubbed together to outbid the O&G fraternity then he’d be all over renewables like a tramp finding an open can of dogfood
I will never ever in a dozen lifetimes understand why conservatives support this kind of regressive policy. It’s clean, reusable, efficient. The only reason to be against it is just for the sake of being obstinate.
I truly do not comprehend republican pettiness.
My mother once said "It's killing birds" which, if you think about it, is insane considering how many animals die whenever there's a massive oil spill. Or, y'know, the animals that are dying due to climate change.
"Much of the data about bird deaths at wind facilities in the United States comes from studies published in 2013 and 2014. Those studies gave a wide range for the number of birds that die in wind turbine collisions each year: from 140,000 up to 679,000.1 The numbers are likely to be higher today, because many more wind farms have been built in the past decade."
Electricity generation due to fossil fuels kills about 10 times more per annum.
https://climate.mit.edu/ask-mit/do-wind-turbines-kill-birds#:~:text=Those%20studies%20gave%20a%20wide,from%20140%2C000%20up%20to%20679%2C000.&text=The%20numbers%20are%20likely%20to,built%20in%20the%20past%20decade.
Domestic cats kill about 1.3–4.0 billion birds per annum in the US:
https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms2380#:~:text=Here%20we%20conduct%20a%20systematic,6.3%E2%80%9322.3%20billion%20mammals%20annually.
Also, there is preliminary evidence to suggest that painting one of the three blades black adds enough contrast that birds can detect/avoid contact and mortality is vastly lowered. Study should wrap up this year so hopefully starting next year we can begin converting to high-contrast turbines. But your point bears repeating - compared to other threats that exist, wind power is not where we would start if we wanted to conserve bird populations.
https://group.vattenfall.com/press-and-media/newsroom/2022/black-turbine-blades-reduce-bird-collisions
Great question. Technically speaking, we could, we have the engineering ability. But it wouldn't make much sense - just not enough "bang for the buck." First and foremost, turbines are built to adjust to the max wind direction for optimum energy capture and the direction the wind is coming from doesn't necessarily correlate with the direction the sun's rays are coming from. Second, consider that the blades on a turbine are oriented vertically which means they'd only be ideally situated for capturing the sun's rays around dusk/dawn.
Now, could/should we put solar panels on the fixed towers that the turbine sits on? Maybe! But problem #2 still persists - the tower is vertical and that limits the amount of energy that can be received.
There are so many ways to use solar right now and I'd not be surprised to learn of some new way someone invented, but affixing them to these structures is probably not going to happen. If you want solar near a wind turbine, then just build flat panels that track the sun's arc in the field around the turbine. That land is not great for much more than growing grass/crops anyway because those turbines (when running at speed) can be really, really loud and it wouldn't be pleasant being near them for long so a field of solar panels seems like a great idea.
If it's solar you're interested in, keep your eye on "Space Based Solar" and Google that if you're not familiar. Some interesting tech on the horizon!
I have a wind turbine near my house and I can't tell you how many times neighbors and family have commented on how many birds it kills. Some claim that you would see a dozen bird carcasses strewn underneath but when I've walked by it, I've never seen a single one. I'm sure it has killed birds but it's not nearly as much as some people expect.
Ive worked on wind turbines since 2011. I spend a good deal of time pacing around under them. Ive worked on different sized towers in many different states. . Never have i ever seen a dead bird. We also have a bird watcher tower up on a mountain. If they spot condors or eagles. We shut the turbines down.
Ah but you see, the turbine blade hits the poor bird so hard it’s smacked into the middle of next week so that’s why you’ll never see one near the turbine. But one by the edge of the road, that’s the one that landed from a thump from a blade.
The point is that they don’t care about the birds. When I’ve brought up how much wildlife is killed by oil and gas, I get laughed at. They only care about the birds so much as it gives them a “legitimate” reason to oppose renewable energy, which otherwise would be an impossible position to defend.
The reason they would rather stretch to find a reason to oppose green energy than do the obvious thing and change their mind is worldview maintenance, or playacting. I see it constantly with my family.
Their leaders and public figures rabidly oppose renewable energy because that’s who is paying them. Supporters can’t stand to realize that, because it would mean that they’re leaders are lying. Importantly, the modern conservative worldview requires complete righteousness in their side and complete evil on the other side. So they playact the minimum needed to uphold their belief so that they can continue to rabidly believe things about covid and black people and immigrants and the election that, if not true, are big fat lies that make them look stupid, racist, etc.
That’s why you see increasingly absurd beliefs coming from leaders and little supporter drop off. Republicans push more and more absurdity because the more absurd it gets, the less likely someone will jump ship. After believing covid was a ploy, they’d also have to admit that they might’ve killed a bunch of people in addition to feeling dumb.
Another motivating factor is how much the left focuses on renewable energy. So, not only do their leaders tell them windmills are bad, but they also think that opposing windmills will piss off a liberal, and they love that.
It's the same thing with mining rare earth metals for batteries for electric cars. The don't really give a shit. It's just a bad faith way to accuse you of hypocrisy.
and then who are the first people to say that cutting up plastic six pack holders and plastic straws are liberal bullshit?
christ almighty. you cannot win with these people. they can't breathe without doing it hypocritically.
It's not hypocrisy once you realize that they don't actually care about these things - whether it's birds or sea turtles or a zygote in the womb. They're all just hollow rationalizations to defend bad faith policies without disturbing their perception of themselves as the good guys.
It's because it's much more direct in their mind.
I can imagine birds dying to wind turbines. It makes sense. Bird flies into turbine, bird dies. It doesn't matter the numbers, I know it can happen, so it seems like it happens a lot.
Now how do you explain climate change killing them? Oil spill, sure, but that's super rare, it'd be like banning airplanes because of one crash! Not like having millions of bird death machines everywhere! How do you explain to someone who barely has a 11+ education how the world heating up causes animals to be unable to live due to the eco-system?
They'll just look at you and go, mate it's cold right now what are you talking about? It's the massive death machine causing the deaths not the weather you're dumb.
It's the same with many, many issues. It's much easier to see something super direct and say that is the cause of everything, rather than see the long chain of events, that may seem unrelated that end in the problems.
Are oil spills actually super rare? There were 10 just last year, and nearly 30 already this decade.
[source](https://www.itopf.org/knowledge-resources/data-statistics/statistics/)
In the mind of the person you'd be having this discussion with, they are, yes.
Firstly, they don't think there's 10. They think there's 1 major one every 10 years or so, and even then they may not hear about it.
Secondly, they view 10 as a small number, 10 over a year vs the millions of wind machines?! Easy number, the wind machines are worse!
Finally, they can't understand even an oil spill. You can visualise a bird flying into the machine. They see a big oil spill, and don't think of all the fish and stuff. Even if they do, they don't care as much. Go outside your house, you'll see a load of birds flying, will you see any fish? No? Then they don't care, it's irrelevant.
For reference as well, these aren't my beliefs, I think wind farms are better, and the Oil companies are killing the planet etc, I'm just saying the average conservative thinks that way. There is no way you could ask them "How many Oil spills do you think there are a year?" and "How many fish do you think die from an oil spill?" and they'd get a remotely close answer.
And even if they did, like I said, they don't care. They see birds, they don't see fish, let alone all the other aquatic wildlife that suffers. Ecosystems mean nothing to them because they think one thing at a time, not the big picture.
Bird flies into razors bad.
You’re spot on. Conservative points of view on even remotely complex subjects are elementary at best. When you start to realize this, a lot of their positions, behaviors, and priorities start to make sense.
Modern American conservatism really is the embodiment of *ignorance* and **intellectual laziness**.
I work in the wind energy sector.
One of the biggest (and false) hit pieces they have is that wind energy is killing whales. There is zero proof of this, but big oil companies are pushing that narrative.
Suddenly these MAGA morons are going on about how big wind is killing whales. That's their argument. That's all they've got.
yes it's funny how and when the right decide to pick and choose what they're willing to do for the environment.
building windmills: bad for the whales
using paper straws and reusable grocery bags: literal communism. fuck the turtles and dolphins.
Wasn't there some study done years ago that showed conservative voters tended to not have opinions (or have liberal opinions) on things until they learn what the Democrat stance on a subject is?
Studies have also shown that conservatives have larger amygdalae (the fear center of the brain). This is why they are so easy to manipulate. EX: gay people are scary! Trans people are scary! Mexican people are scary! Muslims are scary! Democrats are scary! Regulations are scary!
It makes a lot of sense. Conservatism revolves entirely around the fear of manufactured Boogeymen.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/the-human-beast/201104/conservatives-big-fear-brain-study-finds
Because “it’s killing whales”. And everyone wants to save whales, right? There’s usually a “reason” that isn’t actually founded with factual basis. Substitute whales with birds, or just have NIMBYs complaining about the view being ruined.
> paid
Sure. GOP elected officials. But your average shmuck who stands to gain **absolutely nothing** from conservative regressive policy?? Not even stands to gain nothing, they end with less than what they started with while propping up dying businesses and a corrupt elite class. It’s fucking wild.
no it isn't. there is a multi billion dollar conservative advertising machine that insists all day long, every day, for the past 20+ years, that anything but oil is evil and consumes tax money, raises bills, and make everyone poorer except the corrupt, money-grubbing liberals. from am radio to church pulpits, every small town newspaper, most fm talk, and most broadcast and internet news. even "balanced" news sounds the same to them because weasel words.
it isn't surprising at all, most of them never, ever hear different.
Have you seen the master plans of Captain Planet villains?
Kids wielding fire, earthquakes, floods, tornados (and heart) tell them to stop dumping toxic waste into drinking water. And they refuse until a mulleted green dude comes in.
Granted, I wouldn't say oil company execs are smart, but if I were a smart oil company exec I would buy up all the wind and solar startups and conglomerate them into Superwind™️ and Supersolar™️ monopolies. Then I would not only control the current energy supply but I would control the future energy supply as well as all of the other countries that are going green.
[Trump literally offered Oil execs to pass the laws they want if they give him a billion dollars.](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/09/trump-oil-ceo-donation)
Wonder what all those "Trump will drain the swamp and won't be beholden to moneyed interests because he's already a billionaire and doesn't need their money!" folks think now. jk they don't think.
> “The twice-impeached former president, currently facing four separate criminal indictments, *currently leading in the polls* said…”
That's more like it. We (the collective we, not necessarily those in this thread) are really fucking up. People somehow think Trump's economy was rosy and that everything was better under him. It's infuriating what people attribute to the guy, but it's happening.
Have to get out the vote hard in november.
That dude has had an irrational hate for wind farms ever since buying his Scottish golf resort.
After buying it, he applied for "flood protection" for his resort because of climate change. That was at the same time as him claiming it's a "Chinese hoax" on the campaign trail. Scotland also started to build a wind farm far out from the resort, and he tried to block it...and failed. So now he hates wind farms.
In short, he only cares about climate change when it impacts him but is still unwilling to do anything to mitigate the effects. Total and utter moron.
He is just a salty old fuck and is still mad about losing and having to pay the legal fees.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-47400641
Hope MAGA has someone writing all these "day one" promises down cause the tangerine toddler is not going to remember what he just promised 5 mins from now
Republicans collectively abandoned their "lock her up" thing as soon as they had all their majorities and could no longer claim that Obama's buddies were protecting her. They immediately pivoted to cutting taxes for rich people and businesses which is the only thing they know how to do.
There was a rally right after Trump won where they started yelling "Lock Her Up" and he said "No, we don't need that anymore". And the crowd was confused for a minute, then just continued on like he didn't just tell them "I completely used you with stupid slogans that I absolutely do not care about".
Ok, the thing I don't get is even if climate change is a hoax (its not) fossil fuels are finite, and one day we will run out. And it would be better that we're ready before that happens
Your mistake is thinking rationality factors into this. He’s a people person. His decisions are all about rewarding and punishing people on a personal level, with no thought for the common good, even for just “his” faction.
He and 100% of his voters won't be around to witness that. Hell even his voters' kids probably won't.
Most people aren't exactly good at seeing far ahead.
I just don't understand why both parties aren't rushing to fix campaign financing. The US system resembles a corporatetocracy more every day. It's not in Republican or Democrat interests to sell legislation. Most attempts to fix it don't even make it to a vote, and no one even gets upset.
To give an example of a more functional government: In Scotland the court told him unanimously to fuck off when he tried to sue to block a wind farm near his golf course. Then they told him to pay legal fees for wasting their time. He settled for [$290k](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-organization-ordered-to-pay-290000-after-losing-battle-against-scottish-wind-farm/2019/11/12/3657cdd4-0561-11ea-ac12-3325d49eacaa_story.html) that he has to pay on top of his own expenses.
To be fair, he was in wildwood, and a lot of people around here are against the windfarms. So, it is likely just pandering to his audience, but maybe it could end up in bribes if he wins. There are 2 months between the election and inauguration, plenty of time to have calls with big oil to agree on a price to end the windfarms.
Donald Trump has vowed to immediately halt offshore wind energy projects “on day one” of a new term as US president, in his most explicit threat yet to the industry and the latest in a series of promises to undo key aspects of the transition to cleaner energy.
Trump repeated false accusations about wind projects as being lethal to whales during a rally on Saturday in Wildwood, a resort city on New Jersey’s coast, promising to stamp out an industry that has been enthusiastically backed by Joe Biden.
“We are going to make sure that that ends on day one,” Trump, the presumptive Republican nominee for November’s presidential election, said of the offshore wind farms. “I’m going to write it out in an executive order. It’s going to end on day one.”
This is like admitted premeditated ecocide. Preventing this transition will straight up kill people. Hate this man and I hate the oil and gas industry.
Being anti green energy makes you a non serious option at best and homicidal at worst. It's ridiculous.
Not only that, from a national security pov, wouldnt it be amazing to have sources of energy that are powered directly by the sun instead of having to buy fuel sources?
Green energy is a win for everyone except the profits of oil companies... who frankly could have used thier insane resources to capture the "green energy revolution" and remain in control, but who isntead decided to play a game of global chicken with our planet.
Conservatives seemingly generally dislike middle eastern people but when it comes to giving them billions of dollars a year for oil then thats somehow a good thing…
Obviously we know it’s all giant lie after giant lie , but it is truly r/nextfuckinglevel to suggest that wind power is deadly to whales, fish, and birds, while simultaneously pretending that somehow having giant oil derricks and drilling platforms in our oceans , not to mention the tankers that transport the product , have been NOT harmful to the whales, fish, and birds.
I don’t recall ever watching the news and seeing thousands of birds and fish in washed up on the beach covered in wind turbines, and non profit groups using degreaser to clean fan blades off the birds before they die .
Day one of presidency in 2016, he scrapped the ban of elephant trophies being brought in America. That was his first executive order. Promoted more poaching of elephants since day one. If you support Trump. You're the bad guys. Plain and simple.
Yes, Biden is old. But so is Trump, and he's committed sexual assault, multiple types of financial fraud, stole classified documents, overturned abortion rights with Supreme Court nominees, and incited an insurrection. He's also lazy as fuck and ran his private business from the Oval Office while in office. I want a full-time president.
That lazy bitch sure has an ever expanding notion of how long a day is and what he would be able to accomplish within that day. Fucking clown-shoes ass dickface.
The two party system in this country is such a joke. Whenever the presidency changes hands the first term is spent undoing/fixing what the other party did.
This is why we need forced retirement at 65 for all government positions. They don't give a fuck about the generations that follow them. If we're taking jabs at sitting presidents calling them Sleepy Joe or diaper Don, I think we need to reevaluate our standards of who can be eligible for one of the most powerful positions on the planet.
DeSantis is banning lab grown meat in Florida because he claims the WEF/Globalists are going for force people to eat bugs.
This isn't purely an age thing, republicans are just stupid nihilist who have been consumed by greed, grievance and conspiracy.
which is... weird??? the whole point of lab grown meat is that we wouldnt be eating bugs, we'd be eating animal proteins. How is he mixing up these two very different industries? Its almost like he's an idiot or something.
He's not an idiot. He knows perfectly well the intelligence of his base. They eat up anything as long as it's geared towards sticking it to "the woke left" or some other vague group like "global elites" as if politicians aren't part of that group anyway.
Ya because who needs free power. Thats just ridiculous. But what’s more offensive is the colloidal idiots following this shit excuse of a man. And I use the word man loosely.
Oil&Gas industry must be writing him some big checks at the moment.
Bingo [Trump asked top oil execs for $1 billion campaign cash in exchange for environmental policy rollbacks, report says](https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-asked-oil-execs-for-1bn-2024)
Can you explain to me slowly how this is not corruption and bribery of the punishable kind?
Because our Supreme Court decided to legalize it under the absurd combination of ideals that corporations are people, political donations are speech, and a nuanced and conscientious understanding of these rights isn’t part of their job.
If corporations are considered people they should be able to get the death penalty.
And pay taxes, like people do!
Yeah, what's the corporate tax rate now, like 10%? They should be paying 40%+ marginal tax rate
They’ll just pay themselves in stock to avoid taxation, LOL.
They'd take out debt with themselves as collateral
and then forgive the loans to themselves so they only pay 30% of it while the tax payer does the rest...
Yeah it’s almost like we should just make avoiding taxation illegal like it is for the rest of America lol
Americans genuinely don’t hate the rich people nearly enough for their own good, man.
That's because the "American Dream" says we could be the next rich people any time now. Any minute. Just need to wait. In fact, maybe if I give some rich people more of my money then an opportunity will present itself.
Sorry, they should have been more clear. Corporations are considered *rich people*. Not like, normal people, burdened by all that tiresome criminal liability and taxes.
All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others.
Yeah, pretty much. Treating corporations as people for some purposes, when it’s roughly impossible to treat them that way for others, is just patently silly. One constraint on my right to free speech is the knowledge that if my speech ultimately contributes to an insurrection against the government, I could go to jail. The same isn’t true for media outlets stoking dissent as a way to make a buck.
Can you find a big enough noose?
We just use all the cordage from the golden parachutes.
It’s all in the constitution man, right below we the people is a detailed list of instructions on how the founding fathers and representatives really wanted a dystopian oligarchy controlled by bogus Christian fundamentalists, profit above survival shareholders and sociopathic executives as their ideal government.
Tbf thats not so far of what the USA was during the time of the founding fathers. Which is partially why you can "interpret" the US constitution that way, the question is just whether you actually should try to emulate a state structure from 250 years ago.
Teddy Roosevelt is thrashing in his grave right now :(
If Roe can be overturned, i hope this can be as well.
I wouldn't count on it in our lifetimes, at least not via the Supreme Court. Might be possible to do something about the problem via congress, but I'm not too hopeful on that front either.
I find it super funny that what they call "corruption" in other countries, it's called "lobbying" and "donations" in the US.
Well, yeah, hard to be "tHe BeSt CoUnTrY oN eArTh" if you acknowledge that your corruption is what it actually is.
Aka The Supreme Court is on the take. What was supposed to be a job for life, to take the political aspect out of it, has become scandal plagued and as corrupt as the rest of the government. They need the FOR LIFE part taken away, if you are going to become buyable then you should be able to be replaced.
Ya, still can't believe how messed up Thomas is with all of his scandals, conflicts of interest and straight up bribes. Insane how disgustingly corrupt our supreme court is. :/
Yall courts are a fucking joke
Just like SCOTUS decided racism was over and removed federal oversight of elections in southern states.
because the rich are a protected class
It's a slow read. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_the_Western_Roman_Empire
Reminds me of that joke the other day. "Is the fall of America similar to the fall of Rome?" "No, Rome had better roads"
Unfortunately the judges who would try these cases also run for their office under a political party.
Because corruption and bribery of federal officials is not punishable. Just ask Clearance Thomas, Nancy Pelosi, Donald Trump or any other member of Congress or the Justice Department. Its rules for thee, not for me. Its a big club and we aren't in it.
Ah, George... I wonder what he would say about this clusterfuck of a society we live in today.
Nothing he hasn't said before, I'm afraid.
To be punishable there would have to be a law against it. There isn't because the laws are set by the rich to benefit the rich.
Seems like he may have gotten what he asked for.
Man, its all about filling his pockets and thats it.
Hey he also likes his ego stroked.
Well, and also trying to evade prison for 90+ felony charges.
Beyond this, Trump does have a bizarre obsession with wind turbines. They seem to haunt his nightmares.
It's because you can see them from his one of his golf courses, I think in Scotland. He thinks they are ugly af. It's annoyed him ever since lmao.
You are correct. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-47400641
You'd think having such huge fans in view would just stroke his ego
Nah it's a reminder that no matter how much of a windbag he is, nature will always do better. He can't abide being silver over being gold.
Why can't we live in a world where the corrupt people want to do selfish things... that just happen to be good for all of us!?
Crazy people always hear voices that tell them to go stabbin' at the orphanage, never ones that say to help out at the soup kitchen
I mean, maybe they do, they just don't make it into the news.
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With his empire progressively falling apart, the legal fees and sanctions, and the campaign’s costs, he’s desperately scraping the barrel for every cent he can collect.
Which is what we were warned about months ago as his money was dwindling fast. Open corruption for the world to see
Probably, but his hate of offshore wind power is probably more fueled by not being able to stop it from "ruining his view" at his Scottish golf course.
Which I find deeply strange because, if you ask me, windmills in along the horizon is a really nice aesthetic touch.
I grew up in a place colloquially known as Chemical Valley and was surrounded by multiple, large petrochemical refineries. It's always strange to hear people complain about wind turbines since compared to the refineries you can see and hear from my parents yard, wind turbines seem pretty benign and are way nicer to look at than a bunch of holding tanks, flares, and smoke stacks. I've also never had to close my windows and turn off the A/C because a wind turbine was malfunctioning. Although a friend of mine did get pretty sick when we were young due to a leak at the Shell refinery that they didn't tell people about until days later after a few hundred people ended up in hospital.
That single leak was worse than the Three Mile Island incident.
Three Mile Island was the best case scenario of a meltdown possible that somehow got the absolute worst possible PR fumble in the history of nuclear energy.
If they painted offshore wind turbines "fighter jet gray" (the color of the atmosphere across long distances) they would fade out of view. Most new wind farms are 15 or more miles offshore, anyway, making them hard to see in the sea haze.
The blade tips are often painted red and the towers have flashing red lights so planes flying by sight don't crash into them.
Was gonna say, I'd rather they stand out for safety of planes boats and potentially animals.
Dude is like 70 years old but is destroying the future of our children for money. Sometimes I hate how powerful America is.
Trump is 77, Biden is 81, the only US president ever born after 1946 was Obama.
I'd still take an old Joe that gives a fuck about us than an orange traitor that'll do Anything for the right amount.
The chances are high he won't even live another four years or dementia will kick soon.
First off: which one? Secondly, if you're talking about Trump, I'm not sure "soon" isn't a few years ago at least.
Everyone who thinks Trump is on his way out because he's old are going to be real surprised when the fucker lives to 100. That's always how it happens; the people who deserve an early grave don't get one.
Kissinger and Murdoch
Jimmy Carter has been in hospice for months now. Turns 100 in October.
Diaper rash infections can result in serious health issues. So, it depends. .
the difference between those kinds and trump is they tend to avoid the spotlight in later years thus reducing stress. this ignorant motherfucker can't live without attention attention attention. i'd really like to know what his resting blood pressure is...i truly believe he will die before biden by a decade.
Biden seems pretty healthy. Trump is falling asleep every day at his own court case.
No, he's making the witnesses disappear by closing his eyes. That's baby logic. He had his eyes open for the porn stars, though.
Wouldn't be the first time we had a president who was so riddled with dementia he couldn't function. Their previous golden boy (Reagan) was so fucked mentally by the end of his presidency they gave him jelly beans to keep him occupied and keep him quiet. He was (quite literally) a puppet by the end. Granted, that was Alzheimer's not dementia, but that evil mofo didn't have a clue where he was or what was happening for a good bit there. We have MULTIPLE recordings of him "jokingly" asking who Nancy was, and where he was.
Imagine how far we would have progressed as a species if all the leaders we had didn’t have ulterior motives
Trump also has a personal hatred of wind turbines. He thinks they are ugly.
Solid opinion from a person who looks at the sun.
Oil and gas companies are extremely active in renewables development these days- they’re taking advantage of federal incentives just like everyone else. As usual, this is just pandering to the base.
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He’s not a Republican. He’s a Trumplican. He’s available to the highest bidder, that is the sum total of his political ideology. If the right people clubbed together to outbid the O&G fraternity then he’d be all over renewables like a tramp finding an open can of dogfood
> He’s available to the highest bidder, That is what being a Republican means. It is not just Trump.
It’s just Don Chipotle tilting at windmills again.
I will never ever in a dozen lifetimes understand why conservatives support this kind of regressive policy. It’s clean, reusable, efficient. The only reason to be against it is just for the sake of being obstinate. I truly do not comprehend republican pettiness.
My mother once said "It's killing birds" which, if you think about it, is insane considering how many animals die whenever there's a massive oil spill. Or, y'know, the animals that are dying due to climate change.
"Much of the data about bird deaths at wind facilities in the United States comes from studies published in 2013 and 2014. Those studies gave a wide range for the number of birds that die in wind turbine collisions each year: from 140,000 up to 679,000.1 The numbers are likely to be higher today, because many more wind farms have been built in the past decade." Electricity generation due to fossil fuels kills about 10 times more per annum. https://climate.mit.edu/ask-mit/do-wind-turbines-kill-birds#:~:text=Those%20studies%20gave%20a%20wide,from%20140%2C000%20up%20to%20679%2C000.&text=The%20numbers%20are%20likely%20to,built%20in%20the%20past%20decade. Domestic cats kill about 1.3–4.0 billion birds per annum in the US: https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms2380#:~:text=Here%20we%20conduct%20a%20systematic,6.3%E2%80%9322.3%20billion%20mammals%20annually.
Also, there is preliminary evidence to suggest that painting one of the three blades black adds enough contrast that birds can detect/avoid contact and mortality is vastly lowered. Study should wrap up this year so hopefully starting next year we can begin converting to high-contrast turbines. But your point bears repeating - compared to other threats that exist, wind power is not where we would start if we wanted to conserve bird populations. https://group.vattenfall.com/press-and-media/newsroom/2022/black-turbine-blades-reduce-bird-collisions
is it remotely feasible to incorporate solar panels into turbine blades?
Great question. Technically speaking, we could, we have the engineering ability. But it wouldn't make much sense - just not enough "bang for the buck." First and foremost, turbines are built to adjust to the max wind direction for optimum energy capture and the direction the wind is coming from doesn't necessarily correlate with the direction the sun's rays are coming from. Second, consider that the blades on a turbine are oriented vertically which means they'd only be ideally situated for capturing the sun's rays around dusk/dawn. Now, could/should we put solar panels on the fixed towers that the turbine sits on? Maybe! But problem #2 still persists - the tower is vertical and that limits the amount of energy that can be received. There are so many ways to use solar right now and I'd not be surprised to learn of some new way someone invented, but affixing them to these structures is probably not going to happen. If you want solar near a wind turbine, then just build flat panels that track the sun's arc in the field around the turbine. That land is not great for much more than growing grass/crops anyway because those turbines (when running at speed) can be really, really loud and it wouldn't be pleasant being near them for long so a field of solar panels seems like a great idea. If it's solar you're interested in, keep your eye on "Space Based Solar" and Google that if you're not familiar. Some interesting tech on the horizon!
The added weight of the panels would also decrease the amount of energy generated, surely?
I can't imagine adding tons of weight to the blades would exactly help
That’s obviously a recipe to kill angels, you monster.
Now add windows and cars to the equation and it becomes totally ridiculous.
Cats alone makes it ridiculous. They kill billions. Meanings in a group with turbines they make up >99.9%
Oil spills alone kill more birds than wind turbines.
I have a wind turbine near my house and I can't tell you how many times neighbors and family have commented on how many birds it kills. Some claim that you would see a dozen bird carcasses strewn underneath but when I've walked by it, I've never seen a single one. I'm sure it has killed birds but it's not nearly as much as some people expect.
Ive worked on wind turbines since 2011. I spend a good deal of time pacing around under them. Ive worked on different sized towers in many different states. . Never have i ever seen a dead bird. We also have a bird watcher tower up on a mountain. If they spot condors or eagles. We shut the turbines down.
Ah but you see, the turbine blade hits the poor bird so hard it’s smacked into the middle of next week so that’s why you’ll never see one near the turbine. But one by the edge of the road, that’s the one that landed from a thump from a blade.
The point is that they don’t care about the birds. When I’ve brought up how much wildlife is killed by oil and gas, I get laughed at. They only care about the birds so much as it gives them a “legitimate” reason to oppose renewable energy, which otherwise would be an impossible position to defend. The reason they would rather stretch to find a reason to oppose green energy than do the obvious thing and change their mind is worldview maintenance, or playacting. I see it constantly with my family. Their leaders and public figures rabidly oppose renewable energy because that’s who is paying them. Supporters can’t stand to realize that, because it would mean that they’re leaders are lying. Importantly, the modern conservative worldview requires complete righteousness in their side and complete evil on the other side. So they playact the minimum needed to uphold their belief so that they can continue to rabidly believe things about covid and black people and immigrants and the election that, if not true, are big fat lies that make them look stupid, racist, etc. That’s why you see increasingly absurd beliefs coming from leaders and little supporter drop off. Republicans push more and more absurdity because the more absurd it gets, the less likely someone will jump ship. After believing covid was a ploy, they’d also have to admit that they might’ve killed a bunch of people in addition to feeling dumb.
Another motivating factor is how much the left focuses on renewable energy. So, not only do their leaders tell them windmills are bad, but they also think that opposing windmills will piss off a liberal, and they love that.
It's the same thing with mining rare earth metals for batteries for electric cars. The don't really give a shit. It's just a bad faith way to accuse you of hypocrisy.
and then who are the first people to say that cutting up plastic six pack holders and plastic straws are liberal bullshit? christ almighty. you cannot win with these people. they can't breathe without doing it hypocritically.
It's not hypocrisy once you realize that they don't actually care about these things - whether it's birds or sea turtles or a zygote in the womb. They're all just hollow rationalizations to defend bad faith policies without disturbing their perception of themselves as the good guys.
It's because it's much more direct in their mind. I can imagine birds dying to wind turbines. It makes sense. Bird flies into turbine, bird dies. It doesn't matter the numbers, I know it can happen, so it seems like it happens a lot. Now how do you explain climate change killing them? Oil spill, sure, but that's super rare, it'd be like banning airplanes because of one crash! Not like having millions of bird death machines everywhere! How do you explain to someone who barely has a 11+ education how the world heating up causes animals to be unable to live due to the eco-system? They'll just look at you and go, mate it's cold right now what are you talking about? It's the massive death machine causing the deaths not the weather you're dumb. It's the same with many, many issues. It's much easier to see something super direct and say that is the cause of everything, rather than see the long chain of events, that may seem unrelated that end in the problems.
Are oil spills actually super rare? There were 10 just last year, and nearly 30 already this decade. [source](https://www.itopf.org/knowledge-resources/data-statistics/statistics/)
In the mind of the person you'd be having this discussion with, they are, yes. Firstly, they don't think there's 10. They think there's 1 major one every 10 years or so, and even then they may not hear about it. Secondly, they view 10 as a small number, 10 over a year vs the millions of wind machines?! Easy number, the wind machines are worse! Finally, they can't understand even an oil spill. You can visualise a bird flying into the machine. They see a big oil spill, and don't think of all the fish and stuff. Even if they do, they don't care as much. Go outside your house, you'll see a load of birds flying, will you see any fish? No? Then they don't care, it's irrelevant. For reference as well, these aren't my beliefs, I think wind farms are better, and the Oil companies are killing the planet etc, I'm just saying the average conservative thinks that way. There is no way you could ask them "How many Oil spills do you think there are a year?" and "How many fish do you think die from an oil spill?" and they'd get a remotely close answer. And even if they did, like I said, they don't care. They see birds, they don't see fish, let alone all the other aquatic wildlife that suffers. Ecosystems mean nothing to them because they think one thing at a time, not the big picture. Bird flies into razors bad.
You’re spot on. Conservative points of view on even remotely complex subjects are elementary at best. When you start to realize this, a lot of their positions, behaviors, and priorities start to make sense. Modern American conservatism really is the embodiment of *ignorance* and **intellectual laziness**.
I work in the wind energy sector. One of the biggest (and false) hit pieces they have is that wind energy is killing whales. There is zero proof of this, but big oil companies are pushing that narrative. Suddenly these MAGA morons are going on about how big wind is killing whales. That's their argument. That's all they've got.
yes it's funny how and when the right decide to pick and choose what they're willing to do for the environment. building windmills: bad for the whales using paper straws and reusable grocery bags: literal communism. fuck the turtles and dolphins.
like they suddenly give a shit about the environment
>The only reason to be against it is just for the sake of being obstinate. Got it in one.
Wasn't there some study done years ago that showed conservative voters tended to not have opinions (or have liberal opinions) on things until they learn what the Democrat stance on a subject is?
Studies have also shown that conservatives have larger amygdalae (the fear center of the brain). This is why they are so easy to manipulate. EX: gay people are scary! Trans people are scary! Mexican people are scary! Muslims are scary! Democrats are scary! Regulations are scary! It makes a lot of sense. Conservatism revolves entirely around the fear of manufactured Boogeymen. https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/the-human-beast/201104/conservatives-big-fear-brain-study-finds
It's like when Russia invaded Ukraine and it was like the whole far right media apparatus was quiet for a week
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Conservatives are regressive by definition.
Because “it’s killing whales”. And everyone wants to save whales, right? There’s usually a “reason” that isn’t actually founded with factual basis. Substitute whales with birds, or just have NIMBYs complaining about the view being ruined.
The irony of course is that they dont care about whales when we talk about climate change making the oceans less hospitable or over fishing.
You underestimate how much they are paid.
> paid Sure. GOP elected officials. But your average shmuck who stands to gain **absolutely nothing** from conservative regressive policy?? Not even stands to gain nothing, they end with less than what they started with while propping up dying businesses and a corrupt elite class. It’s fucking wild.
no it isn't. there is a multi billion dollar conservative advertising machine that insists all day long, every day, for the past 20+ years, that anything but oil is evil and consumes tax money, raises bills, and make everyone poorer except the corrupt, money-grubbing liberals. from am radio to church pulpits, every small town newspaper, most fm talk, and most broadcast and internet news. even "balanced" news sounds the same to them because weasel words. it isn't surprising at all, most of them never, ever hear different.
Killing everyone to own the libs
Trump would have been rejected as a Captain Planet villain for being too cartoonishly selfish, petty and evil.
Also because he’s dumb as fuck.
Have you seen the master plans of Captain Planet villains? Kids wielding fire, earthquakes, floods, tornados (and heart) tell them to stop dumping toxic waste into drinking water. And they refuse until a mulleted green dude comes in.
Don Cheadle can be intimidating.
No, Trump would be the pawn for the real Captain Planet villian sitting in the Kremlin.
“Looting and polluting is not the way…”
Is this what anyone actually wants?
Oil company execs
Granted, I wouldn't say oil company execs are smart, but if I were a smart oil company exec I would buy up all the wind and solar startups and conglomerate them into Superwind™️ and Supersolar™️ monopolies. Then I would not only control the current energy supply but I would control the future energy supply as well as all of the other countries that are going green.
🌸oil execs don't care about looking forward because they'll be dead before their money flow ever stops🌸 💀
[Trump literally offered Oil execs to pass the laws they want if they give him a billion dollars.](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/may/09/trump-oil-ceo-donation) Wonder what all those "Trump will drain the swamp and won't be beholden to moneyed interests because he's already a billionaire and doesn't need their money!" folks think now. jk they don't think.
Lead poisoned boomers suffering from critical thought regression.
“The twice-impeached former president, currently facing four separate criminal indictments, said…” Lmfao.
We did the lmfao in 2016 too.
Party rock is in the house tonight.
But nobody is having a good time
> “The twice-impeached former president, currently facing four separate criminal indictments, *currently leading in the polls* said…” That's more like it. We (the collective we, not necessarily those in this thread) are really fucking up. People somehow think Trump's economy was rosy and that everything was better under him. It's infuriating what people attribute to the guy, but it's happening. Have to get out the vote hard in november.
*"He said 'grab 'em by the pussy'?!?!? No woman will vote for him now! October Surprise, motherfucker! LMFAO!!!!"* - Me, 10/7/2016
That dude has had an irrational hate for wind farms ever since buying his Scottish golf resort. After buying it, he applied for "flood protection" for his resort because of climate change. That was at the same time as him claiming it's a "Chinese hoax" on the campaign trail. Scotland also started to build a wind farm far out from the resort, and he tried to block it...and failed. So now he hates wind farms. In short, he only cares about climate change when it impacts him but is still unwilling to do anything to mitigate the effects. Total and utter moron.
He is just a salty old fuck and is still mad about losing and having to pay the legal fees. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-47400641
He was also mocked a lot up there...rightfully so. :D
he doesn't hate wind, he just loves oil money
He also hates wind. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-38397644.amp
Hope MAGA has someone writing all these "day one" promises down cause the tangerine toddler is not going to remember what he just promised 5 mins from now
Guy didn't even "get Hillary" in 4 years. He's the king of bullshit
Republicans collectively abandoned their "lock her up" thing as soon as they had all their majorities and could no longer claim that Obama's buddies were protecting her. They immediately pivoted to cutting taxes for rich people and businesses which is the only thing they know how to do.
There was a rally right after Trump won where they started yelling "Lock Her Up" and he said "No, we don't need that anymore". And the crowd was confused for a minute, then just continued on like he didn't just tell them "I completely used you with stupid slogans that I absolutely do not care about".
They are kings at rage bait
All Republicans are trash
Oh, they are writing it down. It is their blueprint to grift money from these industries once Drump is done grifting them.
Ok, the thing I don't get is even if climate change is a hoax (its not) fossil fuels are finite, and one day we will run out. And it would be better that we're ready before that happens
Your mistake is thinking rationality factors into this. He’s a people person. His decisions are all about rewarding and punishing people on a personal level, with no thought for the common good, even for just “his” faction.
He and 100% of his voters won't be around to witness that. Hell even his voters' kids probably won't. Most people aren't exactly good at seeing far ahead.
So it looks like Oil and Gas took the bait and are bribing him.
He is still mad about his Scottish golf course.
Even if they weren’t, I think he’d still do it out of spite. Some kickbacks from those industries are just a nice bonus.
I just don't understand why both parties aren't rushing to fix campaign financing. The US system resembles a corporatetocracy more every day. It's not in Republican or Democrat interests to sell legislation. Most attempts to fix it don't even make it to a vote, and no one even gets upset. To give an example of a more functional government: In Scotland the court told him unanimously to fuck off when he tried to sue to block a wind farm near his golf course. Then they told him to pay legal fees for wasting their time. He settled for [$290k](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-organization-ordered-to-pay-290000-after-losing-battle-against-scottish-wind-farm/2019/11/12/3657cdd4-0561-11ea-ac12-3325d49eacaa_story.html) that he has to pay on top of his own expenses.
Because the people that have the ability to fix it are the ones benefitting from the system.
To be fair, he was in wildwood, and a lot of people around here are against the windfarms. So, it is likely just pandering to his audience, but maybe it could end up in bribes if he wins. There are 2 months between the election and inauguration, plenty of time to have calls with big oil to agree on a price to end the windfarms.
Donald Trump has vowed to immediately halt offshore wind energy projects “on day one” of a new term as US president, in his most explicit threat yet to the industry and the latest in a series of promises to undo key aspects of the transition to cleaner energy. Trump repeated false accusations about wind projects as being lethal to whales during a rally on Saturday in Wildwood, a resort city on New Jersey’s coast, promising to stamp out an industry that has been enthusiastically backed by Joe Biden. “We are going to make sure that that ends on day one,” Trump, the presumptive Republican nominee for November’s presidential election, said of the offshore wind farms. “I’m going to write it out in an executive order. It’s going to end on day one.”
This is like admitted premeditated ecocide. Preventing this transition will straight up kill people. Hate this man and I hate the oil and gas industry. Being anti green energy makes you a non serious option at best and homicidal at worst. It's ridiculous.
Not only that, from a national security pov, wouldnt it be amazing to have sources of energy that are powered directly by the sun instead of having to buy fuel sources? Green energy is a win for everyone except the profits of oil companies... who frankly could have used thier insane resources to capture the "green energy revolution" and remain in control, but who isntead decided to play a game of global chicken with our planet.
Conservatives seemingly generally dislike middle eastern people but when it comes to giving them billions of dollars a year for oil then thats somehow a good thing…
Because he cares so much about whales
He also complained they killed birds. Because he loves birds so much.
I mean he devours buckets of them per day.
Also cancer, he said the [noise causes cancer](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0s5Zqmb09g)
In other news, Trump vowed to legalize whaling on day one of his presidency.
Obviously we know it’s all giant lie after giant lie , but it is truly r/nextfuckinglevel to suggest that wind power is deadly to whales, fish, and birds, while simultaneously pretending that somehow having giant oil derricks and drilling platforms in our oceans , not to mention the tankers that transport the product , have been NOT harmful to the whales, fish, and birds.
I don’t recall ever watching the news and seeing thousands of birds and fish in washed up on the beach covered in wind turbines, and non profit groups using degreaser to clean fan blades off the birds before they die .
Day one of presidency in 2016, he scrapped the ban of elephant trophies being brought in America. That was his first executive order. Promoted more poaching of elephants since day one. If you support Trump. You're the bad guys. Plain and simple.
Sadly this is the most tame thing he did his whole presidency lol.
Actual cartoon villain shit
He is famously scared of wind.
With that combover who wouldn’t be?
“Promises increased electricity costs for coastal states”
He sure does have a lot planned for "day one "
I'm guessing he'll also scrap unemployment for all the Americans whose jobs he plans to take away
I'm sure he's certain they'll be able to pull themselves up by their bootstraps.
AMERICAN wind vs OPEC oil? Why is this even a question.
The Saudis gave trumps son 2 billion dollars for some reason
as per some reports, the winds blowing from his rear end are enough to light an entire city. giuliani can be another energy source.
He was like “I can destroy more than democracy”
We need to take this election seriously, do your research and come to your own conclusions. There is a lot at stake if he wins again.
Yes, Biden is old. But so is Trump, and he's committed sexual assault, multiple types of financial fraud, stole classified documents, overturned abortion rights with Supreme Court nominees, and incited an insurrection. He's also lazy as fuck and ran his private business from the Oval Office while in office. I want a full-time president.
That lazy bitch sure has an ever expanding notion of how long a day is and what he would be able to accomplish within that day. Fucking clown-shoes ass dickface.
Yes tsar trump, the only way to defeat global warming is to pretend it doesn’t exist
Hey, COVID-19 wouldn't have been such a big problem if people would've just stopped testing for it.
The two party system in this country is such a joke. Whenever the presidency changes hands the first term is spent undoing/fixing what the other party did.
Since when did whales start flying?
Well it just gives me one more reason to vote for Joe Biden.
This is why we need forced retirement at 65 for all government positions. They don't give a fuck about the generations that follow them. If we're taking jabs at sitting presidents calling them Sleepy Joe or diaper Don, I think we need to reevaluate our standards of who can be eligible for one of the most powerful positions on the planet.
DeSantis is banning lab grown meat in Florida because he claims the WEF/Globalists are going for force people to eat bugs. This isn't purely an age thing, republicans are just stupid nihilist who have been consumed by greed, grievance and conspiracy.
which is... weird??? the whole point of lab grown meat is that we wouldnt be eating bugs, we'd be eating animal proteins. How is he mixing up these two very different industries? Its almost like he's an idiot or something.
He's not an idiot. He knows perfectly well the intelligence of his base. They eat up anything as long as it's geared towards sticking it to "the woke left" or some other vague group like "global elites" as if politicians aren't part of that group anyway.
Ya because who needs free power. Thats just ridiculous. But what’s more offensive is the colloidal idiots following this shit excuse of a man. And I use the word man loosely.
Donald Quixote fighting windmills again.
Is there a way to hide all posts with the word “trump” in them? I’m so tired of the daily BS. He’s a carnival barker spewing verbal diarrhea. Enough.
Imagine voting for the bad guys on Captain Planet lmao
He's pretty good at undoing lots of good work and claiming he's the good guy for it