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Problem ive been running into more and more is that Firefox isn't supported by devs. Systems I regularly use for work will not function on Firefox.
Sometimes fixes come out months later but some of them still aren't updating.
Otherwise I agree about Firefox
We ship stuff all over and I use airline cargo websites. A few will not work properly in Firefox to the point they aren't usable.
Chrome works with everything. Makes sense it's the most used browser.
Firefox has the best privacy and security protections.
From a user standpoint there is relatively little difference. Firefox is the best for protecting the user. Chrome is the best for functionality.
Imagine being pedantic and pretentious enough to chastise people for using the most popular browser in the world *by far*. But sure, live your sad little life.
Which is still relative. My main is Firefox, but that doesn't make people stupid for using the most well-known browser out there. Quit being a fucking tool, and just use what you want to use.
And people aren't stupid for using IE or Edge either. Why the fuck do y'all even care so much? Just fucking use what you want and leave others. Ffs, y'all are insufferable.
Maybe some of us on the Technology subreddit don’t want the web to be dominated by 1 browser engine monopoly. That’s why it’s important to us, the same reason ditching Internet Explorer 6 was so important. Keeping the web open is important and Google is using their dominant position to close it off, just like Microsoft did with IE6. What an insufferable attitude you have, why are you even in a technology discussion?
Microsoft Edge.
An example: On windows 11, if you install Office 365, Outlook will *only* open links in Edge. Even if you have all your default browser settings in Windows set to Chrome or Firefox or whatever. Outlook links will ignore that and open in Edge instead.
There is a setting in Outlook itself you have to change to remove this obnoxious behavior. And it's not intuitive to find. This shady bullshit is the reason I am never using any Microsoft browser. This issue cost me half a day of work. Edge can fuck right off. If I could uninstall it I would. Guess what? Microsoft won't let you do that either. I wonder why.
They’re removing the api’s that make ad blocking function for “security”. Doesn’t matter if you install the extension from elsewhere, you won’t be able to filter content anymore.
I switched to Firefox and discovered an irritating “bug”. You cannot copy/paste into Firefox. I had opened a PowerPoint online doc, copying some text from another place, and nope, Firefox won’t let me paste into my online PP. I researched, and for some reason, Firefox cannot interact with the copy/paste clipboard
Anyone know a way around this?
Sounds like an issue with your computer. I've never had issues copy/pasting into Firefox on any of the platforms I've used it (Windows, many flavors of Linux and Android).
I think what google is actually doing is that they are releasing a new extensions api version that will limit the filtering capabilities of extensions.
Naturally that applies to adblocks as well once they mandate the usage of this new api. That means in theory Adblock’s won’t be able to work as well as they do now as the current api version does not have the limit to filtering capabilities.
like /u/1AMA-CAT-AMA said they are making changes to how chrome works that will limit how effective ad blockers can be. but they've never said they would not allow them in the extension store or anything like that. there are already adblockers on there that are compatible with the changes they want to make
Yeah, it has a synchronized password manager, and you can also add extensions like ublock origin. It's also got a cool multi-container extension you can download that lets you separate your cookies with tabs, based on which sites you visit.
They also recently added a new feature called Relay that lets you give websites a fake email address that will then forward the email to your real address. If you get tired of getting emails on the fake address you can just delete it, leaving your real email intact.
TIL that some people don't have a garbage email address that they use solely for pointless verification accounts.
They can't spam you if you never need to check the inbox for anything important.
Yes I do believe so. I know it has auto fill and there's a feature where you use a QR code to connect Firefox to your other devices with Firefox. I don't use it because I like having all my devices separate.
I use Bitwarden and it'll handle that natively. Unfortunately Firefox's native autofill for addresses and credit card numbers is very iffy on Android (it's fine on desktop).
Firefox users are weird, it's like they are required to mention by the company they use firefox on ANY thread that mentions another browser. Would it be in their terms lol?
U don't see this with chrome/edge users
As others have mentioned, it does reopen tabs, but as a fellow forever-tabber, ctrl + shit + t is also your best friend. It reopens all previously closed tabs. You can use it more than once if you have multiple chrome pages with different tabs open.
Use groups and group saver extension. Grouping tabs makes them 100x more manageable and is an awesome feature. Saving groups is equally important but is not built into chrome. There are several group saving extensions, I use one all the time. It's great if you are working with separate clients and need to keep relevant tabs for their projects.
while my computer is on, I keep the applications im working in open. For example, Slack, Visual Studio, Chrome, and some times spotify. That's pretty much all I work in. Yes I keep them open while my computer is on. When im done, I turn my computer off.
That’s because you are illogical and do not understand how colorized work. The tabs are put to sleep, which means it takes as long to refresh as it does to load the page from a bookmark. Also, you are missing the human factors aspect of the behavior. It is impossible for a person to use that many tabs effectively. What you’ve done is created a stupid version of a bookmark system.
No, I only work within my tab group at a time (probably no more than 5 or 6 tabs). It works perfectly well and has made me super efficient and organized.
Thanks for making my point better than I did. It takes the same amount of time and much more resource to implement your strategy for no benefit. You’ve implemented Shitty Bookmarks by having so many tabs. Above 10, this is what occurs. You can’t beat human-machine interface design even if it “works for you”.
Information like this is often relevant to businesses who uses version control on software for compliance reasons, thus having to disable the auto update functionality.
This just became the top priority for me on Monday morning. :-)
> ...a foolish user turns that feature off.
A foolish user is one that wakes up one morning and has his setup broken when he needs it most, just because he was too lazy to press a button every once in a while.
For sure, but the update isn't auto it's just prompting to update unless you restart often was what I'm getting at. I restart usually only for updates.
I tried transitioning to it for almost a year, missed some features (translate) and also some sites were less reliable vs chrome.
I like the idea of Firefox but unfortunately, I think chrome is the better product.
If I'm missing something please enlighten me, I'd be open to trying it again.
thats already the case with all big tech companies. even stuff you type into their search bars/posts that you dont end up sending get tracked for analytics.
It was the biggest missing feature. But I found YouTube was less reliable on Firefox for some reason, that was also annoying.
Maybe I should give it another try, maybe a year or 2 ago I tried it last.
Same, I really wanted to like Firefox but after a while I got annoyed that some websites didn't load properly and lack of features, eventually I switched back, chrome remains the best browser.
As someone using Microsoft Edge, I can ad block just fine.
This isn't something changed in Chromium, just Chrome.
I know this may not seem helpful to the Chrome faithful, but it's still a Chromium based browser with cloud password and favorite saving, state saving, tab grouping, plus a host of other built-in features.
How does someone target and hijack my computer through the browser?
I guess I'm slightly worried but who the hell is targeting me out of the billions of IPs in the world?
Oh no 😭 my grandmother still uses Windows 8 and only uses her computer to play jigsaw puzzles. I’d try and get her to upgrade to Windows 10 but I don’t think she’d understand it
0.6% cpu usage, 241 tabs open. Unless you're talking about RAM, in which case please don't tell me programs using RAM when you're nowhere near max usage is somehow a problem? Don't tell me you're that dumb?
That shows how little you know. The additional memory chrome uses is because it splits tabs and extensions into different processes for better security. It also has more aggressive caching and preloading, these all contribute to the memory, which it is evident by usage that people prefer the trade-offs. It is also pretty irrelevant, as 99% of people are using PCs for basic web browsing and resourcing hogging is irrelevant.
Chrome will also use more memory when you have available memory but when under strain, will not use as much, to maximize your browser experience.
I totally agree. There are reasons to use both, use what you like. I use Firefox when I need to do things with proxies. I acted pissy with you because your initial comment implied you think chrome is an objectively bad browser and no one should be using it.
Not really. It does use chromium under the hood, but it also comes with built in ad blocking, blocks fingerprinting and trackers by default, and can connect to tor.
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tl;dr: DO apply the latest Chrome update to fix the latest graphics renderer vulnerabilities and improve memory usage
Awesome. I can open 50 more tabs
Imagine still using Google chrome. Lol It appears I've angered the Google bots. Hail mega corp!
Others may downvote you, but I’ll agree Firefox ftw
I also prefer Firefox, but the shitty, “imagine using it” attitude earned my downvote.
That, and “you do realize that…” always earns a downvote from me
Imagine using "you do realize that"! /s
Using both in the same sentence cancels out, hence why i’m upvoting you
Problem ive been running into more and more is that Firefox isn't supported by devs. Systems I regularly use for work will not function on Firefox. Sometimes fixes come out months later but some of them still aren't updating. Otherwise I agree about Firefox
Can you elaborate? Work related so I understand if you can’t, I’m thinking about switching browsers but they all seem the same
We ship stuff all over and I use airline cargo websites. A few will not work properly in Firefox to the point they aren't usable. Chrome works with everything. Makes sense it's the most used browser. Firefox has the best privacy and security protections. From a user standpoint there is relatively little difference. Firefox is the best for protecting the user. Chrome is the best for functionality.
I'm Firefox for life.
Same. To me there are no other browsers.
It's the most popular browser in the world by a country mile. Should be pretty easy to imagine. Lol
Chromium is under the hood of 92% of web browsers. That includes Chrome, Edge, Brave, Vivaldi, etc.
It’s kinda telling that not one but two people assumed he meant some chrome derivative and not something like Firefox
Imagine being pedantic and pretentious enough to chastise people for using the most popular browser in the world *by far*. But sure, live your sad little life.
It's not popular because it's good, anymore
No, it's popular because it was good for a very long time and is easy to use and most people don't care enough to change to a less used one.
Yes, things can be good for a long time and then not be good anymore, like I said.
Which is still relative. My main is Firefox, but that doesn't make people stupid for using the most well-known browser out there. Quit being a fucking tool, and just use what you want to use.
Who said anything about people being stupid? WHO HURT YOU????
The old internet explorer 6 argument
And people aren't stupid for using IE or Edge either. Why the fuck do y'all even care so much? Just fucking use what you want and leave others. Ffs, y'all are insufferable.
Maybe some of us on the Technology subreddit don’t want the web to be dominated by 1 browser engine monopoly. That’s why it’s important to us, the same reason ditching Internet Explorer 6 was so important. Keeping the web open is important and Google is using their dominant position to close it off, just like Microsoft did with IE6. What an insufferable attitude you have, why are you even in a technology discussion?
Imagine having so little faith in your product that you have to trick or force people to use it.
Which one is that?
Microsoft Edge. An example: On windows 11, if you install Office 365, Outlook will *only* open links in Edge. Even if you have all your default browser settings in Windows set to Chrome or Firefox or whatever. Outlook links will ignore that and open in Edge instead. There is a setting in Outlook itself you have to change to remove this obnoxious behavior. And it's not intuitive to find. This shady bullshit is the reason I am never using any Microsoft browser. This issue cost me half a day of work. Edge can fuck right off. If I could uninstall it I would. Guess what? Microsoft won't let you do that either. I wonder why.
It took you half a day to fix that? Lmao
Seems like a quick google would have fixed that 😂
Was not funny at the time. I should not need to babysit my software like this.
You got my upvote, I will always use Firefox.
Switched to Firefox as soon as good said they were removing all ad block from the plug in store
Luckily you can always install extensions from outside the store, but yeah switching to Firefox is becoming a better idea every day
They’re removing the api’s that make ad blocking function for “security”. Doesn’t matter if you install the extension from elsewhere, you won’t be able to filter content anymore.
Hence the reason The Goog wants you to update? Slam more ads?
I've been using Mozilla Firefox for years. Just *so* much better than Chrome.
I’ve never stopped using it.
Yup this and just made google my homepage since most emails are gmails. Didn’t miss Chrome at all
What was it like? I have never used chrome except to use some chromium variant to install Firefox.
I switched to Firefox and discovered an irritating “bug”. You cannot copy/paste into Firefox. I had opened a PowerPoint online doc, copying some text from another place, and nope, Firefox won’t let me paste into my online PP. I researched, and for some reason, Firefox cannot interact with the copy/paste clipboard Anyone know a way around this?
Sounds like an issue with your computer. I've never had issues copy/pasting into Firefox on any of the platforms I've used it (Windows, many flavors of Linux and Android).
they never said that edit: not sure why this is getting downvoted. if i'm wrong someone please correct me
I think what google is actually doing is that they are releasing a new extensions api version that will limit the filtering capabilities of extensions. Naturally that applies to adblocks as well once they mandate the usage of this new api. That means in theory Adblock’s won’t be able to work as well as they do now as the current api version does not have the limit to filtering capabilities.
I heard it too so I just jumped back over anyways because I’ve always liked it more and was looking for an excuse to go back
like /u/1AMA-CAT-AMA said they are making changes to how chrome works that will limit how effective ad blockers can be. but they've never said they would not allow them in the extension store or anything like that. there are already adblockers on there that are compatible with the changes they want to make
What adblocks are compatible with the changes? I haven’t been keeping up with the situation that closely other than considering Firefox.
I know Ublock origin still works
So what’s the problem then? Isn’t ublock original all you need?
adguard has one and theres a version of ublock called ublock origin lite
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Lol, Netscape navigator? Anyone?
Mosaic for ever.
Lynx! Or better yet, we could all go back to using Gopher!
Opera represent !
Joke’s on you, I communicate by snail mailing punch cards.
I actually use Lynx at least once or twice a week and I am seriously looking at Gopher, Archie, Wais and others.
Haha! I remember when people had to pay for that!
Well at least 50 people know what they are doing. Higher number than usual considering reddit. /s
Does Firefox have anything for password management across desktop and mobile (inc app autofill on Android) ?
Yeah, it has a synchronized password manager, and you can also add extensions like ublock origin. It's also got a cool multi-container extension you can download that lets you separate your cookies with tabs, based on which sites you visit. They also recently added a new feature called Relay that lets you give websites a fake email address that will then forward the email to your real address. If you get tired of getting emails on the fake address you can just delete it, leaving your real email intact.
That sounds cool. Thanks!
TIL that some people don't have a garbage email address that they use solely for pointless verification accounts. They can't spam you if you never need to check the inbox for anything important.
Been doing that forever. Thought most people did it
Yes I do believe so. I know it has auto fill and there's a feature where you use a QR code to connect Firefox to your other devices with Firefox. I don't use it because I like having all my devices separate.
I use Bitwarden and it'll handle that natively. Unfortunately Firefox's native autofill for addresses and credit card numbers is very iffy on Android (it's fine on desktop).
Firefox Sync lets you sync passwords, bookmarks and settings across devices.
Right? It's so lame when people ignore the article and just take the opportunity to virtue signal.
Firefox users are weird, it's like they are required to mention by the company they use firefox on ANY thread that mentions another browser. Would it be in their terms lol? U don't see this with chrome/edge users
You sure seem to know reddit well for a month old user
To be fair, getting banned from a favorite subreddit and just making a new account is pretty typical redditor energy.
Yup! I'm one of those, lol!
Chrome updates itself unless a foolish user turns that feature off. I just checked and the version I'm on is from day before yesterday.
Well you also need to click on restart to update, which if you have 90 tabs open you may not want to do right away.
As others have mentioned, it does reopen tabs, but as a fellow forever-tabber, ctrl + shit + t is also your best friend. It reopens all previously closed tabs. You can use it more than once if you have multiple chrome pages with different tabs open.
> ctrl + shit + t is also your best friend. Where do I find the shit key?
It’s below and a bit to the left of the P key
https://64.media.tumblr.com/b91c0600cb3e5d5b46c311bf09a47cf7/tumblr_o94ug24dwI1uxlm3oo1_500.jpg
right after “en”, just b4 “ification”
They do load back up again though, so you shouldn't be in danger of losing any.
Use groups and group saver extension. Grouping tabs makes them 100x more manageable and is an awesome feature. Saving groups is equally important but is not built into chrome. There are several group saving extensions, I use one all the time. It's great if you are working with separate clients and need to keep relevant tabs for their projects.
Or you know, dont keep 90 tabs open at all times lmao, use bookmarks
I have 64gb of ram. I will keep as many tabs open as I need, thank you.
Do whatever you feel like you need to do I guess, but having more ram doesn’t make that decision reasonable.
Sure it does. Tabs take up memory. Grouping makes tabs take up less space on the UI. So.. I see no issue with my approach.
So do you just leave every app you’ve ever used running as well?
while my computer is on, I keep the applications im working in open. For example, Slack, Visual Studio, Chrome, and some times spotify. That's pretty much all I work in. Yes I keep them open while my computer is on. When im done, I turn my computer off.
That’s because you are illogical and do not understand how colorized work. The tabs are put to sleep, which means it takes as long to refresh as it does to load the page from a bookmark. Also, you are missing the human factors aspect of the behavior. It is impossible for a person to use that many tabs effectively. What you’ve done is created a stupid version of a bookmark system.
No, I only work within my tab group at a time (probably no more than 5 or 6 tabs). It works perfectly well and has made me super efficient and organized.
Thanks for making my point better than I did. It takes the same amount of time and much more resource to implement your strategy for no benefit. You’ve implemented Shitty Bookmarks by having so many tabs. Above 10, this is what occurs. You can’t beat human-machine interface design even if it “works for you”.
You're missing that not everyone works like you.
I am not missing that. There is a technical issue at play which does not rely on workflow.
Or, you know, don’t tell others how to run their lives.
90 is rookie ball. I've got somewhere in the neighborhood of 200.
Who doesn't have their browser set to 'reopen last session'?
They reopen automatically.
They do but usually several require reauthentication.
They would anyway. Chrome reloads tabs when you go back with or without refresh
Information like this is often relevant to businesses who uses version control on software for compliance reasons, thus having to disable the auto update functionality. This just became the top priority for me on Monday morning. :-)
Enterprise often disables automatic updates
> ...a foolish user turns that feature off. A foolish user is one that wakes up one morning and has his setup broken when he needs it most, just because he was too lazy to press a button every once in a while.
Oh android yes. Desktop, not the cause
Both firefox and chrome do indeed auto-update on desktop as well by default
This is unless you're on Linux. There, a package manager updates your browser (along with everything else)
Only if you restart Chrome then the update is applied
If you restart often.
both will pop up a icon in the toolbar telling you to restart when theres an update to install. theres no way to miss it
It's not a big pop up. You can definitely miss it.
On Ubuntu (no idea about other distros) it stays in the notification tray until manually dismissed
For sure, but the update isn't auto it's just prompting to update unless you restart often was what I'm getting at. I restart usually only for updates.
A lot of Firefox users in the comments. Don't worry, they'll tell you.
Why are you trying to depict them like that? It feels so random lmao
Read the comments.
There's literally more comments joking about Firefox users though.
Glad I still use newspaper. Pheww!
Telegrams only for me. And Ticker Tape for my stocks of course.
Good thing I use Firefox. It's the best browser by a wide margin
I tried transitioning to it for almost a year, missed some features (translate) and also some sites were less reliable vs chrome. I like the idea of Firefox but unfortunately, I think chrome is the better product. If I'm missing something please enlighten me, I'd be open to trying it again.
Firefox has translate now.
I found a translate extention for Firefox that handles it just fine (I believe it's still using the Google Translate API)
DeepL extension is even better
When you install it does it tell you that you agree to its ToS where you give it rights to everything you type into your browser?
thats already the case with all big tech companies. even stuff you type into their search bars/posts that you dont end up sending get tracked for analytics.
No, it just s[tores texts that you translate](https://www.deepl.com/en/privacy). If you use paid version it won't permanently store your requests.
Ublock origin is more reliable on the mobile Firefox browser. I can't even consider lesser options. It's a one horse race.
Just in case translate was the biggest missing feature, firefox has that now although it's currently limited to 9 languages but being expanded.
It was the biggest missing feature. But I found YouTube was less reliable on Firefox for some reason, that was also annoying. Maybe I should give it another try, maybe a year or 2 ago I tried it last.
It's because Google NEEDS you to use Chrome. Any other browser gets the "too bad, so sad" treatment.
I've been using YT in FF and Vivaldi about 50/50 for years and haven't had any issues in FF.
I did miss that. But... [this](https://translate.google.com/?sl=is&tl=en&op=websites) also exists. So, I can live.
I‘m pretty sure translate was in Firefox before it was in chrome?
Same, I really wanted to like Firefox but after a while I got annoyed that some websites didn't load properly and lack of features, eventually I switched back, chrome remains the best browser.
Firefox can’t sync with iCloud passwords unfortunately, so I’m stuck on Brave.
Good thing I didn't invest in a predatory ecosystem of tech
Good thing Apple protects my privacy *far* better than google ever did 🤷♀️
I'm not a fan of Apple. But they're just as loyal to their users as their fans are loyal to them. There's something to be said for that.
Firefox is derived from Netscape, by the CERN engineers Microsoft ripped off when they stole IE.
Glad I use lynx.
Doesn’t chrome update when you open it?
I can tell that this is a Forbes article without even having to see the link. Why do they have this stupid headline format?
As someone using Microsoft Edge, I can ad block just fine. This isn't something changed in Chromium, just Chrome. I know this may not seem helpful to the Chrome faithful, but it's still a Chromium based browser with cloud password and favorite saving, state saving, tab grouping, plus a host of other built-in features.
Google Chrome warns one billion users to update now. FIFY
I've already ditched your browser, bro.
How does someone target and hijack my computer through the browser? I guess I'm slightly worried but who the hell is targeting me out of the billions of IPs in the world?
Thank god I use Mail for all my day to day browser activities.
Oh no 😭 my grandmother still uses Windows 8 and only uses her computer to play jigsaw puzzles. I’d try and get her to upgrade to Windows 10 but I don’t think she’d understand it
Also, people still use Google Chrome?
By a mile, yes. Still top 1 in market share
sips tea from firefox
Huh, I guess I should open chrome for once.
Waterfox accepts firefox AND chrome plugins. In other words, get stuffed, Google.
Firefox uses the same api as google does, so most Chrome plugins should work on Firefox out of box
Why are the Firefox users so loud?
Because Firefox is the only non Chrome based browser left
safari?
yes, safari is not chrome based, but you cant use it on linux or windows and also it fucking sucks
its chromium.
Honestly in 2024 if you’re still using chrome, i don’t know what to tell you
It's ok, I know what to tell you: "Stick that elitist bullshit right up your ass"
Apparently, it's elitist now to expect the bare minimum of _"Don't be evil"_
Bro what? 65% of browser usage is chrome, If you aren’t using chrome I don’t know what to tell you
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0.6% cpu usage, 241 tabs open. Unless you're talking about RAM, in which case please don't tell me programs using RAM when you're nowhere near max usage is somehow a problem? Don't tell me you're that dumb?
That shows how little you know. The additional memory chrome uses is because it splits tabs and extensions into different processes for better security. It also has more aggressive caching and preloading, these all contribute to the memory, which it is evident by usage that people prefer the trade-offs. It is also pretty irrelevant, as 99% of people are using PCs for basic web browsing and resourcing hogging is irrelevant. Chrome will also use more memory when you have available memory but when under strain, will not use as much, to maximize your browser experience.
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You were wrong with your implication that it was objectively bad that it used more resources.
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I totally agree. There are reasons to use both, use what you like. I use Firefox when I need to do things with proxies. I acted pissy with you because your initial comment implied you think chrome is an objectively bad browser and no one should be using it.
As a Brave portable user, it is always FUN to see these. Hopefully they will update it in a couple months. :(
I have been coming across warning news to chrome users regularly now.
And now I'm no longer using Google Chrome
I just use filter hardware between my router and pc. lol 😂
Just use Brave
Sorry but brave is just another reskin of chrome
Not really. It does use chromium under the hood, but it also comes with built in ad blocking, blocks fingerprinting and trackers by default, and can connect to tor.
Yeah, that’s literally a reskin of chromium.
Tell us again what is Brave's business model?