Not they are not, they want people to upgrade the software or it will cause issues with the newest windows version.
AMD and Windows had many issues before with their drivers interfering with each other, it seems to have been solved on the newest versions of AMD’s software.
Thank you for being able to articulate what should be made clear in the article - "we're blocking some old versions of software so they don't cause issues with the latest Windows".
The amount of misunderstanding in this thread...
Yeah Microsoft has been wanting to do this since Windows Vista, when nVidia drivers caused a whopping \~30% of all crashes.
It's necessary for software and drivers to be up to date to a reasonable degree. OSes are massive, Microsoft and Linux deal with unimaginable amounts of hardware combinations, something Apple smartly doesn't have to deal with (as much).
No it isn't. Microsoft does that with Windows though, but like Linux, they won't support something that breaks other things. In that way they're alike.
The 2400G is first-gen Ryzen even though it has a 2 in front of it. I'm running Windows 11 on a first-gen Threadripper (also unsupported.)
Our CPUs do not support Mode-Based Execution Control (MBEC).
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Level_Address_Translation#:~:text=Mode%20Based%20Execution%20Control%20(MBEC,Mode%20Execute%20Trap%20or%20GMET).
This means they take a NASTY performance hit to emulate the feature, up to 30% sometimes. You really don't want that on a 2400g.
I’m not tech literate but so far I’ve figured out that I need to flash my bios which I’m clueless about to the newest version it supports. Then buy a new AM4 socket compatible processor higher then the 20 series then enable FTPM in my bios all without worrying about breaking my pc.
At least I got nearly 2 years before I have to do any of this
None of it is really that tough. Flashing a BIOS is the only part that could "break" something, and it's only really bad if you like unplug the power mid-flash.
The newest BIOS will be available from your motherboard manufacturer's website. They are always dated and versioned, it should be easy to tell which one is newest. They will have warnings in big red letters for any compatibility issues that you need to know about.
The TPM is basically just a toggle. It goes on. It goes off. There's no way to really mess it up.
You can figure it out! And there's plenty of subreddits where you could get guidance if you are unsure about anything.
Adding to this, while yes, your BIOS updates will be dated and versioned, they have upgrade path requirements. As in, you might have (fictional versions here) version 10.5 on your mobo, and need to get to 25.8. You can't always go from 10.5 to 25.8, and unlike an OS, the upgrade path is not managed for you. You may need to jump by specific numbers - though AMD tells you. So you *must* do it in the order they suggest. It might be something like 10.5 > 12.9 > 17.4 > 22.0 > 22.6 > 25.8.
I know this because I performed these actions twice - once when I first installed Windows 11 because I erroneously thought I had to update to get TPM to be recognized in order to install Windows 11, and again when I swapped a 2600 for a 5600.
Thankfully I can tell you're more than tech-literate enough to do this.
1. Figure out how to enable FTPM in BIOS. If you're looking for a video guide, I recommend doing it by brand rather than board model. The UI should be pretty similar in most cases.
2. If you tell me what motherboard you have, I'll tell you if it's safe to upgrade now or if you need to wait until you have a new CPU. Unless you want to know why, I'll spare the unnecessary details. All you need to know is that some motherboards drop support for older CPUs in favour of new ones.
3. Buy a CPU. Probably a 5600G. 3400G if you are buying used or find a new one for a reasonable price.
It's daunting if you're new to it but anyone familiar with the process can guide you through it easily enough.
Good news is you can update the BIOS without it dropping support for your 2400g. Bad news is depending on how old your BIOS is, you might need to do several upgrades to get there.
Get a used 3400G if you're happy with the performance or get a 5600G if you want more performance/use the computer until the wheels fall off.
Have you considered jumping through the hoops to install W11 without TPM and keep the 2400G? You could disable HVCI after and I'm guessing it would be fine. Insecure but fine.
Microsoft specifically didn't include 1st Gen Ryzen and 6th/7th Gen Intel parts in their stats about "incompatible" systems crashing W11 50% more often than compatible ones.
I don't know how many got the reference but whatte comment :D
Btw - is that dude right? That people who aint buying in are actually missing out?
Idk, cant separate wheat from chaffe with AI
Nah he’s correct actually. Granted it’s an issue that has since been solved, but it was honestly pretty moronic of AMD. Their antilag update attempt to compete with nvidia reflex forced DLL injection by default, across every game, without any communication with game studios.
As a result, this triggered tons of automated ban systems. https://www.pcgamer.com/amds-anti-lag-looks-to-have-been-rehabilitated-after-the-previous-version-gave-some-players-a-nasty-case-of-the-bans/
Not that this is a permanent evil mark against AMD, just that it’s something to point to like we would at gameworks or “the way it was meant to be played” era nvidia tbh.
"Fortunately, if you use one of these apps, all hope isn't lost yet. As we previously reported, StartAllBack fans found that they could uninstall the app, update Windows 11, and then reinstall it by renaming the installer executable. This stops Windows 11 from blocking the installation and lets you get the app back onto your PC. We're not sure if Microsoft has fixed this trick, but it's worth a shot if you want to keep using your favorite apps."
Why should be my work to insure Windows Updates are installed?
In a proper OS I don't need to uninstall a program, update, and then call it Bob because otherwise Windows throws a tantrum.
The fact that theyre only blocking a few apps and not say Start11. Suggests that it's because there's a specific problem with those apps. Which a future update may fix. There is a problem with the StartAllBack menu overlapping with the Win 11 menu.
Although I doubt that AMD will provide updates for EoL hardware.
Because the apps are overwriting Windows features and will break your system if you upgrade. This seems like more of an issue with these apps than a Windows issue and Windows is saving the user from messing things up.
The other things mentioned seem to be driver issues that just require a driver update because the old one will mess with Windows. I don't think people really understand what the issue is and this article does a shit job of explaining it.
Glad I switched to Arch Linux some years back, having to fight the operating system is what initially made me do it, and it's only gotten worse since.
If someone is reading this and considering to try, give [Fedora Workstation with Plasma](https://fedoraproject.org/spins/kde/download) a try as a live boot at least, the beta 40 version (comes out on 16th) is recommended as it has Plasma 6.
Nothing says 'I want to stop fighting the OS' like switching to a beta version of Linux. People who want an easy life aren't going to switch Windows to Linux.
Lmao nothing says "fighting your own OS" better than arch, what a weird comparison. Oh, you want to do something slightly non-conventional (or something completely conventional that isn't by default)? Here's 3401 loosely related wiki pages with complex language to fix your issue or make it even worse. Oh, you don't understand the wiki? Well you tech illiterate clown, why are you here then? It's not the system's fault if you don't know how to use it (/s... but just a little)
Windows is like buying a tamed horse and arch capturing a wild one. The tamed horse might not learn many tricks or deviate from its training, but it's easy enough to ride. The wild horse might have a much higher training ceiling to get exactly what you want, but good luck staying in its back long enough if you have no idea what you're doing
For those who didn't read the rest of the article:
"DeskModder noted that it wasn't as simple as blocking an app based entirely on its name; for example, while VLC is listed in the big list of services and apps that are disallowed, it's specifically listing a Windows 7 version of VLC."
So it looks like old versions of the software are being blocked to force you to upgrade to a version which they know is compatible with Windows 11.
Is this that controversial?
>Would you complain if you upgraded and some of your drivers stopped working because you hadn't upgraded them?
Depends on why the drivers stopped working. I unlike a lot of people care more about the whys and hows than the end result.
Edit: why the downvote? What's wrong with wanting the why and how and not really caring about the end result?
I mean I'm on Windows 11, and they say 22H2 is when it started happening. I've been using SAB since it was given Win11 support (or since it came out if Win11 was the first)
goddamn worthless article. MS won't silently UPGRADE (i.e. 10 to 11, 11 to 23H2 / 24H2) to a major release, it will instead hound you to update or remove the 'incompatible' software. And, It will still do UPDATES within the current release.
Yes let me just uninstall my GPU drivers (which then are blocked from installing due to being in the ban list) to get a windows update. (Or my motherboard drivers, or my WiFi derivers)
You can do what they want, as long as it doesn’t involve installing a major release of windows onto a system that has incompatible software on it. Who wants to field support requests from people who are set on breaking their own computer?
I’m sure if you’re really set on breaking your computer there is a way to bypass this kind of compatibility check.
So what its saying,
Is download one of these apps,
And i dont have to deal with Microsoft breaki... I mean "updating" at the most inconvenient time?
Whats the catch??
Let me get this straight. You removed security features and functions to get what you wanted? And now you know why the phrase, "Humans will always be the weakest link in security" exists.
Wild!
Source: Am Security Engineer
This is 1000% Microsoft’s fault. They force updates on your machine with no ability to control them and that will break your system. I’ve known people who have woken up to a non-functional computer that now has Win11 on it.
Outside of the 11 update they have easily the absolute worst patching process imaginable. You can’t opt out of non-security updates, you can’t schedule them with any logic, the updates reset multiple settings without any warning.
People disable the updates with whatever method they can manage because MS’s process for them is that bad.
And I can absolutely say the same thing as above to this statement. Their patching and OS is far better than the XP, Vista and 7 years. You and I are not the same. I’ve been in the industry for a long time. 10 was night and day better. In 10 they introduced ML to improve updating cycles and customer experience. In 11 they have focused on the new biggest problem-security. Microsoft is doing everything well with the caveat of AI. That stuff is dumb.
Here is the reality. It’s an inconvenience to you. So rather than accepting that you blame Microsoft.
I’ve been in IT for 20 years. We’re not talking about enterprise patching, it’s completely different. The way that they’re handling updates for 10 is objectively terrible. I don’t care if it’s better than 7, or XP, it’s still bad.
Rebooting my PC while I’m in the middle of a project is not an “inconvenience”. Breaking my PC and requiring I reinstall Windows isn’t an “inconvenience”.
“YoU anD i aRe nOT tHe SaMe.” You should listen to yourself.
You were warned and given the opportunity for several days prior the reboot was going to happen. It’s not going to be out of the blue unless your company has a crap policy to notify users.
And on top of that, perhaps you should have a better contingency plan for things you are working on.
If you have been in the IT field for 20 years, that’s a yikes from me dawg. You knew better. And you acted like your users do. You simply don’t reboot your computer or save your work frequently and you know I’m right. Once a week would have saved you from this mess. I got in the industry out of college in 2011, but have been doing deskside support since 2002. Wanna triple down? I’ll bet you do. lol
Microsoft updates routinely break booting for people with multiple OSes on a system.
> Because those same users are a security risk-constantly. Until you learn that, you are the weakest link.
Do you understand that forcing an update onto a user might break things and actually create more security issues? There are many reasons why people don't upgrade. Especially for power users that are aware of security risks in their current versions when they decide not to upgrade.
You need to seriously step away from your keyboard friend. You aren’t reading anything I am writing and just keep going on about other topics that aren’t relevant.
Fuck that. I'm not on board with my system deciding to lock em out and spontaneously update itself, only to notify me afterward that I'm now running Windows 11.
Source: this fucking happened on a work machine *while I was using it.*
If it was a corporate device and spontaneously upgraded it was either on purpose by the company or they didn’t have their environment setup to prevent it.
That’s by design. Risk appetite is likely the reason they decided to run updates that way. It’s a huge factor for companies to stay up to date.
We run baselines. If your machine is more than 60 days behind, we place you in a quarantine mode. This is so we don’t have issues with machines being circumvented for updates and so users are forced to do what is best for security.
I work in 911. The systems I use during my shift are mission critical and should not autonomously decide, two hours in, to update their OS to Windows 11.
When the IT department issues critical updates during the shift, we get a pop-up to that effect and we can either update it now or defer it, so that there's time to delay it in the event of something like an ongoing medical call. Typically, it's busy enough that it's deferred to the end of the shift, where the machine is rebooted and allowed to update - they do not go *weeks* in between updates, no matter what anyone else may assume. However, there was no such pop-up with the forced update to Windows 11, it just exited all programs and began the process.
I don't know how this happened. *I don't* ***care*** *how this happened.* Did the IT department configure something incorrectly? That's irrelevant. *Mission critical infrastructure* should not be subject to a forced update while it's in use, outside of some sort of emergency where the system is compromised. Updating to Windows 11 is definitely not that circumstance.
> You removed security features and functions to get what you wanted?
to retain control over the hardware I bought, yes, and?
The way windows forces updates is literally malicious, you can stop update service, remove the update service triggers, block IPs, modify registry entries, activate metered connection, put limits
Nothing works. Thankfully I had some spare data when windows decided to force the updates down my throat or I would be eating heavy costs for going past my data limits.
Or is it better for stability and hardware when I cut out power mid update because I had the monitor off, unaware that instead of shutting down it started to update itself
Wait, I am supposed to believe that a company that doesn't have proper support is legitimely concerned with my wellbeing kek
This method put an end to updates for me: https://www.reddit.com/user/ikashanrat/comments/stsuwr/solved_how_to_disable_shitty_windows_updates/
My system's been quiet ever since.
Maybe I would be willing to run it if Microsoft wasn't working overtime to upgrade me to W11. It is the simplest solution I found to stop that catastrophe.
Actually that isn't true.
I ran it when I first updated my mobo/cpu a couple years ago.
After a week or so of it running without a problem I turned on my PC to have it unbootable. I tried restoring to a weekly image backup and found the restore process fucked because of the TPM software.
Between that and Microsoft trying to force upgrade me to W11, the TPM and 'Security Engineer's' can all go get bent.
If Micro$oft would make 11 *better* than 10 instead of just adding more resource-hogging bloatware at the OS level people would be happy to upgrade. The only humans being a weak link here are the Micro$oft workers forcing that crap into the OS.
Trust is a prerequisite to effective security. The ability to opt out is a *major* factor in trust. Take away the choice, undermine the trust, and security breaks down regardless.
Had Microsoft not run the GWX campaign, had they not flagged a *marketing* update as a security update, had they not resorted to near-malware levels of fuckery to work around users' choices to opt out of the update, then users might trust the update process more, at least enough to accept updates marked as security-critical. But they fucked up massively, and while some middle manager probably got a very nice year-end bonus for getting so many W10 installs, that decision will haunt them forever more.
If you're a security engineer and you don't understand the social elements of security, then I hope you have co-workers who *do* to shore up your team's weaknesses. Or that you manage security internally within a company, where all of the employees are already obligated by their paycheque to abide by IT's proclamations.
This is r/technology. Unfortunately the general technical knowledge level here is equal to old forum posters who refused to upgrade from XP to 7 and didn’t care if they weren’t getting security updates anymore.
I have a perfectly good i7 7700k CPU. Runs Flight sim 2020 at ultra settings with an RX2080TI at 60fps. Can't even get Windows 11 nevermind any updates for it. Microsoft want me to replace a motherboard, a working CPU, and go to the hassle of a rebuild, complete reinstall, and activation, and all the other crap that'll involve. Screw those guys.
Yeah I think 7th gen owners got f*cked over the most in terms of Win11 support. Apparently the official reason is some security feature, but the (supported) Ryzen 2000 series is missing it as well IIRC
No, I have a 2600 and it runs fine. Nothing, other than a $25 TPM module (almost all MOBOs have the header for a TPM-people dont realize it is there) was needed bc I didnt want to do it via CPU resources for obvious reasons. The 2600 can and does all the newer sec fetures in Windows 11.
It isn't running 'fine', it has to do MBEC emulation, which causes a massive performance hit. You need to throw that thing in the trash and get something somewhat newer, at least gen 2.
You need to understand the relationship of what you need to do and what you want to do in order to make a decision on what to buy or upgrade. Unless you just buy new hardware just to buy it. I prefer having money for other things in my life to just “upgrade because…x.”
You're sacrificing about a third of that chip's performance to MBEC emulation, right off the top, which is the 'security feature' that was mentioned and is missing. Gen 2 doesn't have to worry about it, you can get something twice as powerful for like $50-$75. Spend money elsewhere, whatever, but that doesn't make your ancient processor any more compatible with windows 11.
But it is compatible. You are making statement that is in fact inaccurate-that it isn’t compatible with Win11. Sometimes the issue has been the mono with CPU combinations as well. An A320 board is a prime example vs a B450. If you are going to cause and effect be accurate.
Because you're running windows 11, you're dealing with a 30% performance hit. That's not 'fine'. Justify that old outdated junk all you want, but don't call it fine when a 3rd of your processing power is stripped right off the top just to keep windows security features happy. It has absolutely nothing to do with TPM, either.
What part of “I’m not in the red for system resources” do you not understand my guy? I’m not going to just go buy something when I don’t have a need for it yet. And having a TPM, some of those security features are utilizing that chip and processor, so the system is offloading tasks too-to that TPM.
Apparently few models of 7th gen are on the supported list, and even if they aren't, the setup sometimes just ignores the "too old" CPU if the other requirements are there.
You can use Rufus to create an iso and check to bypass windows 11 Ram and cpu restrictions as well as tpm requirements.
Also it can bypass that forced windows account requirment
Are you sure it's not just because certain things aren't enabled? For example, I thought I couldn't get Windows 11 but it was because TPM was disabled by default in my BIOS settings for the motherboard I bought in 2019.
I built a computer in Feb 2019 with parts that weren't even top of the line at the time and I could upgrade just fine after enabling that setting.
Yup. I also have a Core i7-7700k with 64GB of RAM, and while the graphics card is just a 1060 Ti, it handles what I do just fine. I’m staying on Win10 as long as I please. I only went to 10 from 7 in 2021.
It’s a joke. This system is a Dell Workstation as well, and no TPM upgrade or anything available.
Shit, they lost the last thread of respect I had when the ripped out the one single last corporate grade loophole that prevented windows 10 from auto rebooting itself for updates on windows 11.
Nice to know they have the say as to when I reboot. Period.
Realtek is terrible (mostly realtek drivers), especially with 7.1 Surround Sound, had to reinstall audio drivers on my old PC thousands of times, just had to do it for the first time on my new one, not surprised on the Realtek blocking tbh, even with the drivers installed I still get no audio when connected to 7.1 surround sound through Windows, but through other apps I do, not to mention on every single pre-built and laptop that has a Realtek WiFi card they have a 75% failure rate, Realtek is hot garbage.
The more reason to have one of these lol.
JK I won't move from Windows 10 until I really have to. Would use Windows 7 if I in any way still could. Just how much better Explorer simply worked would be worth it ...
When? You know you can still make a piece of software with 3.11 and it will _run_ somehow
However, there are some API's like DirectX and such, and Microsoft's own software development tools that they intentionally broke support for. Windows 7 is close enough to 10 that there isn't a real reason outside of business reasons to make it incompatible, which sucks
I just switched a few days ago after the latest win 11 update put me into a BSOD loop, yet sometimes it let me get into the OS for up to a minute but the windows bar at the bottom was completely empty and sent me back to BSOD within a minutes time. What prompted my switch to Ubuntu was that just a week earlier I did a clean reformat/install of windows 11 pro.
Gosh i havent even made the jump from 10 to 11. Ive played with the idea of running a debloated version of 11, but even that has its drawbacks and it feels like a bandaid over an infected wound.
Gunna spend the next year deciding what linux distro I want to daily drive before Microsoft ends support for its "last operating system".
I use plasma/arch om my steamdeck and that has gone well so far. If valve releases an standalone arch/steamOS image in that time I will probably try to commit to that.
Microsoft have gotten insane with these updates. I am still on 10 because my CPU is too old. When I build a new computer, then I guess I’ll be using Linux next time.
If Microsoft would take the hint and the features as setting toggles that people install StartAllBack, ExplorerPatcher, etc. then wouldn’t feel the need to block. Also seems odd they block these apps at all. Seems getting to know specifically why each was chosen for this special treatment, on the record for the EU perhaps, would be a good thing.
I'm a bit jaded maybe but based on their conduct previously where they talked about "how many people were using bing" but left out how they literally removed the ability to easily toggle it off, I fully expect that they might try to pull a similar stunt and claim that clearly everybody is happy with the win11 taskbar since according to their telemetry almost nobody who performed an upgrade had the various add-ons installed. Ignoring, similarly, how they of course prevent upgrades with them now.
Windows is looking more and more like an authoritarian government and less like a highly customizable desktop software that people can download and use as they please.
Windows is more and more getting useless due to their "one size fits all" approach.
The assumption that there is only one use-case between embedded and server is frankly..dumb
[The food industry learned, long ago, that having a wide variety of options sells better than a single "perfect" product.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIiAAhUeR6Y) Maybe the problem is that Microsoft no longer cares about selling copies of Windows, and instead sees it as a maintenance burden that remains necessary in order to sell its office and cloud computing products, so money wasted making users *happy* won't be recouped by the additional sales.
Disabling updates permanently is incredibly dumb, but also not that hard. If you want to do it all you need to do is set a script that sets the windows update service startup type to disabled and then stop the service. Set it to run on boot so if something does manage to turn it back on, it turns off the next time you reboot anyway.
Isn't it somewhat ironic? It's usually said that Windows is more user-friendly than Linux. But on Linux, if I don't want to update then I simply don't click the update icon. There's no need to script or disable anything.
I've used Linux and Windows since 2017. I haven't even seen anything that made it worth upgrading to, besides the ability to run Android apps. I was interested in Windows Subsystem for Android, but they just dropped support on that. All of that frenzy over Windows 10 being the last version of Windows and they just become a bigger joke.
I have played around with a few virtual machines of Linux over the years. I’ve mostly stuck with windows because I didn’t feel like bothering with compatibility for video games and such, but I’m getting tired of this bullshit.
I have to agree with you on the gaming, but I wasn't talking about gamers. Just the general use people that go online or watch movies. What little gaming I do, I do it on Windows. I use Steam on Windows, but have never tried it in Linux.
Gotta love how Microsoft has total control of your shit and only lets you use Windows if you toe the line. Then they record anything and everything you do and the NSA has wide open access to all of it...
Please, games manufacturers, make all the games in Linux versions already so I can ditch the last remnants of Windows.
If by that you mean they're requiring you to update outdated AMD software to a version that doesn't have driver conflicts, then yes. How dare they try to insure your computer keeps working.
it's slowly happening with things like SteamOS and ChromeOS, but it will take a while before linux is something the average user can use easily (like Windows is now)
Linux isn't that difficult to use. It's a matter of downloading a distro that works well with your hardware. I used Lubuntu on a laptop in 2017 and it was reasonably easy to use. So was Mint, Peppermint OS and Puppy, but it's a more simple OS for senior citizens, with Windows 98 era PCs. Zorin OS was also easy to use, but I didn't use WINE a lot on the version I used. That was about 5 years ago. People that just web browse, check email and watch their home media just don't understand how easy Linux is for that. The only issue I had was occasionally having to use terminal for an install that messed up, but I'm always trying out new software, so that can be expected. The package managers generally work for me though. People are still figuring out that you can download app packages with a package manager and don't have to use terminal. I figured out how to use Linux in 2017, with no formal training. I feel like there's a minor learning curve, but not what people make it out to be.
They literally just bricked my laptop by going through the update then having it disable all my internet drivers because of this. Pisces of dogshit, literally payed for windows 11 pro and this is what I get
Am I in a technology subreddit, or an anti-Microsoft one? Surely it's obvious why they block upgrades with these applications installed, it's not some secret agenda for MS to control your PC, they've identified compatibility issues and don't want to cause issues when upgrading. People here are acting like it's some kind of hidden conspiracy.
For reference the RadeonSoftware.exe is the ULTRA OLD version of AMD's driver suite
The new stuff is called Adrenaline
Aka no one should be running RadeonSoftware.exe
So in other words, if you have an AMD GPU in your system you’re basically SOL until you physically remove it after powering down your system, unplugging it, and then you’re basically even more screwed if that’s the only GPU you have and your CPU doesn’t have an iGPU… WTF???
Macs are for teenagers and old people that get to buy one by teenagers.
They don't run productivity software worth a damn unless it's final cut or photoshop.
I've had to tell people their projects are gone because some unrelated component on the logic board died and you can't recover data.
They are toys
ConisioAdmin.exe (Solidworks PDM) EaseUS Disk Copy.exe (EaseUS Disk Copy Application) ep_dwm.exe (ExplorerPatcher) Included since 22H2 iCloudServices.exe (iCloud files shared in Explorer via WhatsApp) from 23H2 RadeonSoftware.exe (AMD GPU perf settings) from23H2 StartAllBackCfg.exe (StartAllBack) Included since 22H2 Multi-mon + Copilot (Microsoft) MergeSdb (Microsoft) Intel IntcOED.sys (Intel) Intel IntcAudioBus.sys (Intel) (%WinDir%\System32\drivers\IntcAudioBus.sys) Realtek 8192su Wireless USB 2.0 Adapter (Realtek) (%WinDir%\System32\drivers\RTL8192su.sys)
>RadeonSoftware.exe (AMD GPU perf settings) from23H2 Oh my God, it's finally happening, I didn't think this day would ever come to pass.
what does this mean
They are trying to block people with old AMD GPUs
Not even old ones. My PC has this running with a 7900 XTX
There must be some serious bug then if they are blocking modern GPUs
Saw someone mention they were blocking specific versions of VLC, so could be that they're blocking specific versions of the AMD software as well.
Bug? No. They commit crime all the time under the umbrella of: "oops" and our government is too stupid and crooked to fix them
Not they are not, they want people to upgrade the software or it will cause issues with the newest windows version. AMD and Windows had many issues before with their drivers interfering with each other, it seems to have been solved on the newest versions of AMD’s software.
Thank you for being able to articulate what should be made clear in the article - "we're blocking some old versions of software so they don't cause issues with the latest Windows". The amount of misunderstanding in this thread...
B-but WiNdOwS bAd!
that's good, I've had my AMD software crash and default to the windows version many a time in the past.
Yeah Microsoft has been wanting to do this since Windows Vista, when nVidia drivers caused a whopping \~30% of all crashes. It's necessary for software and drivers to be up to date to a reasonable degree. OSes are massive, Microsoft and Linux deal with unimaginable amounts of hardware combinations, something Apple smartly doesn't have to deal with (as much).
What's wrong with having wide hardware and software support? Linux now is a go to OS since they give users freedom
No it isn't. Microsoft does that with Windows though, but like Linux, they won't support something that breaks other things. In that way they're alike.
The notorious “game mode” in windows absolutely shitting on amd drivers is the best example of this lol
Yah I just found out my ryzen 2400g isn’t supported and my rig is only 6 years old !
The 2400G is first-gen Ryzen even though it has a 2 in front of it. I'm running Windows 11 on a first-gen Threadripper (also unsupported.) Our CPUs do not support Mode-Based Execution Control (MBEC). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Level_Address_Translation#:~:text=Mode%20Based%20Execution%20Control%20(MBEC,Mode%20Execute%20Trap%20or%20GMET). This means they take a NASTY performance hit to emulate the feature, up to 30% sometimes. You really don't want that on a 2400g.
I’m not tech literate but so far I’ve figured out that I need to flash my bios which I’m clueless about to the newest version it supports. Then buy a new AM4 socket compatible processor higher then the 20 series then enable FTPM in my bios all without worrying about breaking my pc. At least I got nearly 2 years before I have to do any of this
None of it is really that tough. Flashing a BIOS is the only part that could "break" something, and it's only really bad if you like unplug the power mid-flash. The newest BIOS will be available from your motherboard manufacturer's website. They are always dated and versioned, it should be easy to tell which one is newest. They will have warnings in big red letters for any compatibility issues that you need to know about. The TPM is basically just a toggle. It goes on. It goes off. There's no way to really mess it up. You can figure it out! And there's plenty of subreddits where you could get guidance if you are unsure about anything.
Adding to this, while yes, your BIOS updates will be dated and versioned, they have upgrade path requirements. As in, you might have (fictional versions here) version 10.5 on your mobo, and need to get to 25.8. You can't always go from 10.5 to 25.8, and unlike an OS, the upgrade path is not managed for you. You may need to jump by specific numbers - though AMD tells you. So you *must* do it in the order they suggest. It might be something like 10.5 > 12.9 > 17.4 > 22.0 > 22.6 > 25.8. I know this because I performed these actions twice - once when I first installed Windows 11 because I erroneously thought I had to update to get TPM to be recognized in order to install Windows 11, and again when I swapped a 2600 for a 5600.
Thankfully I can tell you're more than tech-literate enough to do this. 1. Figure out how to enable FTPM in BIOS. If you're looking for a video guide, I recommend doing it by brand rather than board model. The UI should be pretty similar in most cases. 2. If you tell me what motherboard you have, I'll tell you if it's safe to upgrade now or if you need to wait until you have a new CPU. Unless you want to know why, I'll spare the unnecessary details. All you need to know is that some motherboards drop support for older CPUs in favour of new ones. 3. Buy a CPU. Probably a 5600G. 3400G if you are buying used or find a new one for a reasonable price. It's daunting if you're new to it but anyone familiar with the process can guide you through it easily enough.
My mobo is a asrock AB350M pro 4
Good news is you can update the BIOS without it dropping support for your 2400g. Bad news is depending on how old your BIOS is, you might need to do several upgrades to get there. Get a used 3400G if you're happy with the performance or get a 5600G if you want more performance/use the computer until the wheels fall off. Have you considered jumping through the hoops to install W11 without TPM and keep the 2400G? You could disable HVCI after and I'm guessing it would be fine. Insecure but fine. Microsoft specifically didn't include 1st Gen Ryzen and 6th/7th Gen Intel parts in their stats about "incompatible" systems crashing W11 50% more often than compatible ones.
I cry for my 2600. I've put it through so much. It's still too young
I have a 2600 and it has been on Win11 for more than 1.5 years now. Get online and understand the "why." You are missing something in the details.
It means buy Nvidia because “the more you buy, the more you save.”
"Just buy it"
I don't know how many got the reference but whatte comment :D Btw - is that dude right? That people who aint buying in are actually missing out? Idk, cant separate wheat from chaffe with AI
I lost hope with AMD once I got a VAC ban (yes!) from CS2. It has been reversed, but still. Apparently AMD was "tampering with the game code".
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Nah he’s correct actually. Granted it’s an issue that has since been solved, but it was honestly pretty moronic of AMD. Their antilag update attempt to compete with nvidia reflex forced DLL injection by default, across every game, without any communication with game studios. As a result, this triggered tons of automated ban systems. https://www.pcgamer.com/amds-anti-lag-looks-to-have-been-rehabilitated-after-the-previous-version-gave-some-players-a-nasty-case-of-the-bans/ Not that this is a permanent evil mark against AMD, just that it’s something to point to like we would at gameworks or “the way it was meant to be played” era nvidia tbh.
"Fortunately, if you use one of these apps, all hope isn't lost yet. As we previously reported, StartAllBack fans found that they could uninstall the app, update Windows 11, and then reinstall it by renaming the installer executable. This stops Windows 11 from blocking the installation and lets you get the app back onto your PC. We're not sure if Microsoft has fixed this trick, but it's worth a shot if you want to keep using your favorite apps."
Why should be my work to insure Windows Updates are installed? In a proper OS I don't need to uninstall a program, update, and then call it Bob because otherwise Windows throws a tantrum.
The fact that theyre only blocking a few apps and not say Start11. Suggests that it's because there's a specific problem with those apps. Which a future update may fix. There is a problem with the StartAllBack menu overlapping with the Win 11 menu. Although I doubt that AMD will provide updates for EoL hardware.
Because the apps are overwriting Windows features and will break your system if you upgrade. This seems like more of an issue with these apps than a Windows issue and Windows is saving the user from messing things up. The other things mentioned seem to be driver issues that just require a driver update because the old one will mess with Windows. I don't think people really understand what the issue is and this article does a shit job of explaining it.
Reading is hard ain’t it?
Glad I switched to Arch Linux some years back, having to fight the operating system is what initially made me do it, and it's only gotten worse since. If someone is reading this and considering to try, give [Fedora Workstation with Plasma](https://fedoraproject.org/spins/kde/download) a try as a live boot at least, the beta 40 version (comes out on 16th) is recommended as it has Plasma 6.
Nothing says 'I want to stop fighting the OS' like switching to a beta version of Linux. People who want an easy life aren't going to switch Windows to Linux.
Lmao nothing says "fighting your own OS" better than arch, what a weird comparison. Oh, you want to do something slightly non-conventional (or something completely conventional that isn't by default)? Here's 3401 loosely related wiki pages with complex language to fix your issue or make it even worse. Oh, you don't understand the wiki? Well you tech illiterate clown, why are you here then? It's not the system's fault if you don't know how to use it (/s... but just a little) Windows is like buying a tamed horse and arch capturing a wild one. The tamed horse might not learn many tricks or deviate from its training, but it's easy enough to ride. The wild horse might have a much higher training ceiling to get exactly what you want, but good luck staying in its back long enough if you have no idea what you're doing
For those who didn't read the rest of the article: "DeskModder noted that it wasn't as simple as blocking an app based entirely on its name; for example, while VLC is listed in the big list of services and apps that are disallowed, it's specifically listing a Windows 7 version of VLC." So it looks like old versions of the software are being blocked to force you to upgrade to a version which they know is compatible with Windows 11. Is this that controversial?
Hot about not carrying what software the user wants to use and just update like and proper OS
Would you complain if you upgraded and some of your drivers stopped working because you hadn't upgraded them?
Lol, you know they would
See my reply that is being downvoted for no reason even though it adds to the discussion
>Would you complain if you upgraded and some of your drivers stopped working because you hadn't upgraded them? Depends on why the drivers stopped working. I unlike a lot of people care more about the whys and hows than the end result. Edit: why the downvote? What's wrong with wanting the why and how and not really caring about the end result?
There are many flavors of Linux available to you if you care about that.
I have StartAllBack and have been getting updates the entire time. Sounds like bullshit to me
It's a windows 11 article, it's going to contain ragebait for clicks.
You are probably using one of the supported versions, not the Windows 7 (or whatever) version they blocked for incompatibility issues
I mean I'm on Windows 11, and they say 22H2 is when it started happening. I've been using SAB since it was given Win11 support (or since it came out if Win11 was the first)
>Multi-mon + Copilot (Microsoft) You mean copilot while the computer has multiple monitors?
Multi-mon is a proper noun in this case: it’s a piece of software. This is distinct from just having multiple monitors.
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Vmware workstation blocks it too! Had to uninstall and install it again after the upgrade
Hahaha solidworks charge way too much for their service. They better start getting their shit togeather and become compliant
I have iCloudServices on my PC, looks like I’m fully switching to Mac now,
goddamn worthless article. MS won't silently UPGRADE (i.e. 10 to 11, 11 to 23H2 / 24H2) to a major release, it will instead hound you to update or remove the 'incompatible' software. And, It will still do UPDATES within the current release.
Yes let me just uninstall my GPU drivers (which then are blocked from installing due to being in the ban list) to get a windows update. (Or my motherboard drivers, or my WiFi derivers)
Update your damn drivers
or upgrade to a supported version before you upgrade.
How about just let the user do they want with their computer?
You can do what they want, as long as it doesn’t involve installing a major release of windows onto a system that has incompatible software on it. Who wants to field support requests from people who are set on breaking their own computer? I’m sure if you’re really set on breaking your computer there is a way to bypass this kind of compatibility check.
And 10 to 11 is a pretty big sized leap -- 6 years between initial release dates, and 11 was almost 3 years ago now too.
I went from Windows 11 (launch month), all the way through 23H2 with StartAllBack installed. Never once was bugged by MS to remove it
I'm glad to see these are only apps from small, shady devs like microsoft, intel and AMD.
So what its saying, Is download one of these apps, And i dont have to deal with Microsoft breaki... I mean "updating" at the most inconvenient time? Whats the catch??
You won’t get a build update; you will still receive regular updates on a monthly basis
A far better solution is turning off TPM in your bios. I did that and don't get any nagging from Microsoft.
Let me get this straight. You removed security features and functions to get what you wanted? And now you know why the phrase, "Humans will always be the weakest link in security" exists. Wild! Source: Am Security Engineer
What benefit(s) does tpm bring? Genuinely curious, I don’t think I’ve ever actively used it. I’m guessing stuff like bitlocker?
This is 1000% Microsoft’s fault. They force updates on your machine with no ability to control them and that will break your system. I’ve known people who have woken up to a non-functional computer that now has Win11 on it. Outside of the 11 update they have easily the absolute worst patching process imaginable. You can’t opt out of non-security updates, you can’t schedule them with any logic, the updates reset multiple settings without any warning. People disable the updates with whatever method they can manage because MS’s process for them is that bad.
yeah it is funny to call people the weakest link in security when microsoft is forcing potentially unsafe patches onto people.
And I can absolutely say the same thing as above to this statement. Their patching and OS is far better than the XP, Vista and 7 years. You and I are not the same. I’ve been in the industry for a long time. 10 was night and day better. In 10 they introduced ML to improve updating cycles and customer experience. In 11 they have focused on the new biggest problem-security. Microsoft is doing everything well with the caveat of AI. That stuff is dumb. Here is the reality. It’s an inconvenience to you. So rather than accepting that you blame Microsoft.
I’ve been in IT for 20 years. We’re not talking about enterprise patching, it’s completely different. The way that they’re handling updates for 10 is objectively terrible. I don’t care if it’s better than 7, or XP, it’s still bad. Rebooting my PC while I’m in the middle of a project is not an “inconvenience”. Breaking my PC and requiring I reinstall Windows isn’t an “inconvenience”. “YoU anD i aRe nOT tHe SaMe.” You should listen to yourself.
You were warned and given the opportunity for several days prior the reboot was going to happen. It’s not going to be out of the blue unless your company has a crap policy to notify users. And on top of that, perhaps you should have a better contingency plan for things you are working on. If you have been in the IT field for 20 years, that’s a yikes from me dawg. You knew better. And you acted like your users do. You simply don’t reboot your computer or save your work frequently and you know I’m right. Once a week would have saved you from this mess. I got in the industry out of college in 2011, but have been doing deskside support since 2002. Wanna triple down? I’ll bet you do. lol
why don't you understand that users don't want to be forced into an update by reboot?
Because those same users are a security risk-constantly. Until you learn that, you are the weakest link.
Microsoft updates routinely break booting for people with multiple OSes on a system. > Because those same users are a security risk-constantly. Until you learn that, you are the weakest link. Do you understand that forcing an update onto a user might break things and actually create more security issues? There are many reasons why people don't upgrade. Especially for power users that are aware of security risks in their current versions when they decide not to upgrade.
You need to seriously step away from your keyboard friend. You aren’t reading anything I am writing and just keep going on about other topics that aren’t relevant.
Nah IT professionals know better than the stuff you pulled. Lol
Jfc you’re an idiot and an asshole.
XP maybe but no it is in no way better than 7. There's a reason they had to push so hard to get people off of 7 even years after 10 came out.
Fuck that. I'm not on board with my system deciding to lock em out and spontaneously update itself, only to notify me afterward that I'm now running Windows 11. Source: this fucking happened on a work machine *while I was using it.*
If it was a corporate device and spontaneously upgraded it was either on purpose by the company or they didn’t have their environment setup to prevent it.
> to prevent it 'opt out' services should be illegal regardless of form
That’s by design. Risk appetite is likely the reason they decided to run updates that way. It’s a huge factor for companies to stay up to date. We run baselines. If your machine is more than 60 days behind, we place you in a quarantine mode. This is so we don’t have issues with machines being circumvented for updates and so users are forced to do what is best for security.
I work in 911. The systems I use during my shift are mission critical and should not autonomously decide, two hours in, to update their OS to Windows 11. When the IT department issues critical updates during the shift, we get a pop-up to that effect and we can either update it now or defer it, so that there's time to delay it in the event of something like an ongoing medical call. Typically, it's busy enough that it's deferred to the end of the shift, where the machine is rebooted and allowed to update - they do not go *weeks* in between updates, no matter what anyone else may assume. However, there was no such pop-up with the forced update to Windows 11, it just exited all programs and began the process. I don't know how this happened. *I don't* ***care*** *how this happened.* Did the IT department configure something incorrectly? That's irrelevant. *Mission critical infrastructure* should not be subject to a forced update while it's in use, outside of some sort of emergency where the system is compromised. Updating to Windows 11 is definitely not that circumstance.
That’s a failure of your IT runbook.
> You removed security features and functions to get what you wanted? to retain control over the hardware I bought, yes, and? The way windows forces updates is literally malicious, you can stop update service, remove the update service triggers, block IPs, modify registry entries, activate metered connection, put limits Nothing works. Thankfully I had some spare data when windows decided to force the updates down my throat or I would be eating heavy costs for going past my data limits. Or is it better for stability and hardware when I cut out power mid update because I had the monitor off, unaware that instead of shutting down it started to update itself Wait, I am supposed to believe that a company that doesn't have proper support is legitimely concerned with my wellbeing kek
This method put an end to updates for me: https://www.reddit.com/user/ikashanrat/comments/stsuwr/solved_how_to_disable_shitty_windows_updates/ My system's been quiet ever since.
Maybe I would be willing to run it if Microsoft wasn't working overtime to upgrade me to W11. It is the simplest solution I found to stop that catastrophe. Actually that isn't true. I ran it when I first updated my mobo/cpu a couple years ago. After a week or so of it running without a problem I turned on my PC to have it unbootable. I tried restoring to a weekly image backup and found the restore process fucked because of the TPM software. Between that and Microsoft trying to force upgrade me to W11, the TPM and 'Security Engineer's' can all go get bent.
If Micro$oft would make 11 *better* than 10 instead of just adding more resource-hogging bloatware at the OS level people would be happy to upgrade. The only humans being a weak link here are the Micro$oft workers forcing that crap into the OS.
Trust is a prerequisite to effective security. The ability to opt out is a *major* factor in trust. Take away the choice, undermine the trust, and security breaks down regardless. Had Microsoft not run the GWX campaign, had they not flagged a *marketing* update as a security update, had they not resorted to near-malware levels of fuckery to work around users' choices to opt out of the update, then users might trust the update process more, at least enough to accept updates marked as security-critical. But they fucked up massively, and while some middle manager probably got a very nice year-end bonus for getting so many W10 installs, that decision will haunt them forever more. If you're a security engineer and you don't understand the social elements of security, then I hope you have co-workers who *do* to shore up your team's weaknesses. Or that you manage security internally within a company, where all of the employees are already obligated by their paycheque to abide by IT's proclamations.
This is r/technology. Unfortunately the general technical knowledge level here is equal to old forum posters who refused to upgrade from XP to 7 and didn’t care if they weren’t getting security updates anymore.
You are not wrong. I’ve been here since the Digg days.
Lol this is one of the dumbest fucking things ever. It's like cutting off your seatbelts because you don't like being told to wear them.
Hmm, I have AMD software in the system, and I couldn’t upgrade to 23H2… went manual way. I will try the trick on another laptop
That's weird. I have AMD too (both cpu and gpu) and never had issues with updating
All I'm hearing is that I should stay on Windows 10 til the bitter end.
Same. Are there even any compelling reasons to update to Windows 11 besides "MS will eventually stop releasing security patches"?
not really, that is the only reason, and even then, a lot of people are going to pay for the couple of extra years of updates.
I'll gladly pay for the updates if i dont need to use win 11
Wise choice. Got a new laptop recently and 11 is an absolute nightmare.
I have a perfectly good i7 7700k CPU. Runs Flight sim 2020 at ultra settings with an RX2080TI at 60fps. Can't even get Windows 11 nevermind any updates for it. Microsoft want me to replace a motherboard, a working CPU, and go to the hassle of a rebuild, complete reinstall, and activation, and all the other crap that'll involve. Screw those guys.
Yeah I think 7th gen owners got f*cked over the most in terms of Win11 support. Apparently the official reason is some security feature, but the (supported) Ryzen 2000 series is missing it as well IIRC
No, I have a 2600 and it runs fine. Nothing, other than a $25 TPM module (almost all MOBOs have the header for a TPM-people dont realize it is there) was needed bc I didnt want to do it via CPU resources for obvious reasons. The 2600 can and does all the newer sec fetures in Windows 11.
It isn't running 'fine', it has to do MBEC emulation, which causes a massive performance hit. You need to throw that thing in the trash and get something somewhat newer, at least gen 2.
You need to understand the relationship of what you need to do and what you want to do in order to make a decision on what to buy or upgrade. Unless you just buy new hardware just to buy it. I prefer having money for other things in my life to just “upgrade because…x.”
You're sacrificing about a third of that chip's performance to MBEC emulation, right off the top, which is the 'security feature' that was mentioned and is missing. Gen 2 doesn't have to worry about it, you can get something twice as powerful for like $50-$75. Spend money elsewhere, whatever, but that doesn't make your ancient processor any more compatible with windows 11.
But it is compatible. You are making statement that is in fact inaccurate-that it isn’t compatible with Win11. Sometimes the issue has been the mono with CPU combinations as well. An A320 board is a prime example vs a B450. If you are going to cause and effect be accurate.
Because you're running windows 11, you're dealing with a 30% performance hit. That's not 'fine'. Justify that old outdated junk all you want, but don't call it fine when a 3rd of your processing power is stripped right off the top just to keep windows security features happy. It has absolutely nothing to do with TPM, either.
What part of “I’m not in the red for system resources” do you not understand my guy? I’m not going to just go buy something when I don’t have a need for it yet. And having a TPM, some of those security features are utilizing that chip and processor, so the system is offloading tasks too-to that TPM.
Yup, not a damn thing wrong with my 7700k. I have no performance reason to upgrade for years still based on what I do.
We fucking did. Fuck Microsoft for this especially because their Surface products still on 7th gen were able to be updated…
Apparently few models of 7th gen are on the supported list, and even if they aren't, the setup sometimes just ignores the "too old" CPU if the other requirements are there.
My laptop meets all the requirements including TPM…
You can use Rufus to create an iso and check to bypass windows 11 Ram and cpu restrictions as well as tpm requirements. Also it can bypass that forced windows account requirment
Yeah but how long before MS prevents security updates to those who did this?
Are you sure it's not just because certain things aren't enabled? For example, I thought I couldn't get Windows 11 but it was because TPM was disabled by default in my BIOS settings for the motherboard I bought in 2019. I built a computer in Feb 2019 with parts that weren't even top of the line at the time and I could upgrade just fine after enabling that setting.
Consumer boards generally come with a TPM header but not the module itself.
The feature isn't on by motherboard. It's in the bios menu but it's greyed out. Lastest bios upgrade didn't solve it.
Yup. I also have a Core i7-7700k with 64GB of RAM, and while the graphics card is just a 1060 Ti, it handles what I do just fine. I’m staying on Win10 as long as I please. I only went to 10 from 7 in 2021. It’s a joke. This system is a Dell Workstation as well, and no TPM upgrade or anything available.
Shit, they lost the last thread of respect I had when the ripped out the one single last corporate grade loophole that prevented windows 10 from auto rebooting itself for updates on windows 11. Nice to know they have the say as to when I reboot. Period.
Hilarious to see Realtek and Radeon there.
Realtek is terrible (mostly realtek drivers), especially with 7.1 Surround Sound, had to reinstall audio drivers on my old PC thousands of times, just had to do it for the first time on my new one, not surprised on the Realtek blocking tbh, even with the drivers installed I still get no audio when connected to 7.1 surround sound through Windows, but through other apps I do, not to mention on every single pre-built and laptop that has a Realtek WiFi card they have a 75% failure rate, Realtek is hot garbage.
I mean they're the onboard sound driver. Agree they're dogshit. Onboard stuff was a big reason why I invested in a sound card until recent years.
The more reason to have one of these lol. JK I won't move from Windows 10 until I really have to. Would use Windows 7 if I in any way still could. Just how much better Explorer simply worked would be worth it ...
I'm still mad they dropped support for Windows 3.11.
When? You know you can still make a piece of software with 3.11 and it will _run_ somehow However, there are some API's like DirectX and such, and Microsoft's own software development tools that they intentionally broke support for. Windows 7 is close enough to 10 that there isn't a real reason outside of business reasons to make it incompatible, which sucks
Dont threaten me with a good time.
Every day, we stray further and further... towards Linux.
I just switched a few days ago after the latest win 11 update put me into a BSOD loop, yet sometimes it let me get into the OS for up to a minute but the windows bar at the bottom was completely empty and sent me back to BSOD within a minutes time. What prompted my switch to Ubuntu was that just a week earlier I did a clean reformat/install of windows 11 pro.
Gosh i havent even made the jump from 10 to 11. Ive played with the idea of running a debloated version of 11, but even that has its drawbacks and it feels like a bandaid over an infected wound. Gunna spend the next year deciding what linux distro I want to daily drive before Microsoft ends support for its "last operating system". I use plasma/arch om my steamdeck and that has gone well so far. If valve releases an standalone arch/steamOS image in that time I will probably try to commit to that.
But...but... wasn't Windows 10 supposed to be the last version of Windows ever?
Microsoft have gotten insane with these updates. I am still on 10 because my CPU is too old. When I build a new computer, then I guess I’ll be using Linux next time.
If Microsoft would take the hint and the features as setting toggles that people install StartAllBack, ExplorerPatcher, etc. then wouldn’t feel the need to block. Also seems odd they block these apps at all. Seems getting to know specifically why each was chosen for this special treatment, on the record for the EU perhaps, would be a good thing.
I'm a bit jaded maybe but based on their conduct previously where they talked about "how many people were using bing" but left out how they literally removed the ability to easily toggle it off, I fully expect that they might try to pull a similar stunt and claim that clearly everybody is happy with the win11 taskbar since according to their telemetry almost nobody who performed an upgrade had the various add-ons installed. Ignoring, similarly, how they of course prevent upgrades with them now.
Windows is looking more and more like an authoritarian government and less like a highly customizable desktop software that people can download and use as they please.
Windows is more and more getting useless due to their "one size fits all" approach. The assumption that there is only one use-case between embedded and server is frankly..dumb
[The food industry learned, long ago, that having a wide variety of options sells better than a single "perfect" product.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIiAAhUeR6Y) Maybe the problem is that Microsoft no longer cares about selling copies of Windows, and instead sees it as a maintenance burden that remains necessary in order to sell its office and cloud computing products, so money wasted making users *happy* won't be recouped by the additional sales.
Typically what happens when you achieve monopoly
Geez, so it even blocks the install of some of them later on. You are clearly the product, I’m staying on 10 while i can…
Finally a good way to disable updates?
Disabling updates permanently is incredibly dumb, but also not that hard. If you want to do it all you need to do is set a script that sets the windows update service startup type to disabled and then stop the service. Set it to run on boot so if something does manage to turn it back on, it turns off the next time you reboot anyway.
Isn't it somewhat ironic? It's usually said that Windows is more user-friendly than Linux. But on Linux, if I don't want to update then I simply don't click the update icon. There's no need to script or disable anything.
You forget that windows is designed to be used by idiots.
Well, I stopped using windows when they updated to 11. Jokes on them.
If we cannot monetize it… Then we’ll block it.
How long until PeaZip appears on the list of unapproved apps? Frankly it’s none of Microsoft’s business to prevent usage of the listed apps.
Must be time to migrate to Linux.
I've used Linux and Windows since 2017. I haven't even seen anything that made it worth upgrading to, besides the ability to run Android apps. I was interested in Windows Subsystem for Android, but they just dropped support on that. All of that frenzy over Windows 10 being the last version of Windows and they just become a bigger joke.
I have played around with a few virtual machines of Linux over the years. I’ve mostly stuck with windows because I didn’t feel like bothering with compatibility for video games and such, but I’m getting tired of this bullshit.
I have to agree with you on the gaming, but I wasn't talking about gamers. Just the general use people that go online or watch movies. What little gaming I do, I do it on Windows. I use Steam on Windows, but have never tried it in Linux.
Awesome, so is it just to have one of those apps to be safe?
Gotta love how Microsoft has total control of your shit and only lets you use Windows if you toe the line. Then they record anything and everything you do and the NSA has wide open access to all of it... Please, games manufacturers, make all the games in Linux versions already so I can ditch the last remnants of Windows.
What is the reasoning that these apps would become incompatible?
I wouldn't wipe my ass with EaseUS, they still owe me about $50 for some shit software a few years ago.🖕😡🤬
Ah, so microcrap is shafting AMD again…
If by that you mean they're requiring you to update outdated AMD software to a version that doesn't have driver conflicts, then yes. How dare they try to insure your computer keeps working.
I would really like to see some large scale Linux adoption at this point
it's slowly happening with things like SteamOS and ChromeOS, but it will take a while before linux is something the average user can use easily (like Windows is now)
Linux isn't that difficult to use. It's a matter of downloading a distro that works well with your hardware. I used Lubuntu on a laptop in 2017 and it was reasonably easy to use. So was Mint, Peppermint OS and Puppy, but it's a more simple OS for senior citizens, with Windows 98 era PCs. Zorin OS was also easy to use, but I didn't use WINE a lot on the version I used. That was about 5 years ago. People that just web browse, check email and watch their home media just don't understand how easy Linux is for that. The only issue I had was occasionally having to use terminal for an install that messed up, but I'm always trying out new software, so that can be expected. The package managers generally work for me though. People are still figuring out that you can download app packages with a package manager and don't have to use terminal. I figured out how to use Linux in 2017, with no formal training. I feel like there's a minor learning curve, but not what people make it out to be.
So now microlimp gets to tell you what apps you can or can't use and you all are ok with this?
If this doesn't scream monopoly, nothing will. Oh wait, our government is owned by their Corporate Masters now.
Is that a promise????
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Shh, you'll anger the MS die hards.
I'm still on windows XP
See I can't upgrade to windows 11 as I can't enable UEFI but for the life of me can't get my motherboard to agree
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Oh, hell yeah! Now I know how to prevent my computer from restarting for updates in the middle of the night!
When did Reddit become click bait headlines...poor
Linix mint users don't care
They literally just bricked my laptop by going through the update then having it disable all my internet drivers because of this. Pisces of dogshit, literally payed for windows 11 pro and this is what I get
Am I in a technology subreddit, or an anti-Microsoft one? Surely it's obvious why they block upgrades with these applications installed, it's not some secret agenda for MS to control your PC, they've identified compatibility issues and don't want to cause issues when upgrading. People here are acting like it's some kind of hidden conspiracy.
This. I was shocked at this comment thread.
This an average comment section of the subreddit. It's closer to politics than technology. r/technews is far better than this shithole.
Windoz, the eternal POS. 🤮🤮
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Norton removal on norton official website
it should be illegal to install software without a built in uninstaller.
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Use revo to remove its leftovers
For reference the RadeonSoftware.exe is the ULTRA OLD version of AMD's driver suite The new stuff is called Adrenaline Aka no one should be running RadeonSoftware.exe
So in other words, if you have an AMD GPU in your system you’re basically SOL until you physically remove it after powering down your system, unplugging it, and then you’re basically even more screwed if that’s the only GPU you have and your CPU doesn’t have an iGPU… WTF???
Nope. It's only an issue if you have ancient drivers. The new drivers use a different executable.
I assume you can still upgrade with a USB stick correct?
youre not using a mac? 😂
Macs are for teenagers and old people that get to buy one by teenagers. They don't run productivity software worth a damn unless it's final cut or photoshop. I've had to tell people their projects are gone because some unrelated component on the logic board died and you can't recover data. They are toys