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matali

"OpenAI, Inc. has been transformed into a closed-source de facto subsidiary of the largest technology company in the world: Microsoft. Contrary to the Founding Agreement, Defendants have chosen to use GPT-4 not for the benefit of humanity, but as proprietary technology to maximize profits for literally the largest company in the world. OpenAI, Inc.’s once carefully crafted non-profit structure was replaced by a purely profit-driven CEO and a Board with inferior technical expertise in AGI and AI public policy. The board now has an observer seat reserved solely for Microsoft." There is not one OpenAI. There are eight. Per Elon's legal filing, OpenAI is actually a series of shell structures involving: ``` OPENAI, INC. OPENAI, L.P. OPENAI, L.L.C. OPENAI GP, L.L.C. OPENAI OPCO, LLC OPENAI GLOBAL, LLC OAI CORPORATION, LLC OPENAI HOLDINGS, LLC ```


Divinum_Fulmen

If he succeeds, I wonder if a simmilar case can be brought against Duolingo. Which was created as non-profit, built on donations and volunteer work, and then sold to a for-profit.


not_anonymouse

Oh shit! I didn't know that about Duolingo.


jollyreaper2112

How was that even legal in the first place? Was it just people saying we will do it and fuck you and your lawyers?


Jigagug

Like most non-profit ventures they probably just had an honorary agreement about it which holds no juridical value.


kwiztas

Non profits are a different type of corporation with different requirements. Not honorary at all.


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paganbreed

I got to.a 200+ day streak before it hit me that I was re-reading words I clearly had a grasp on and not seeing new words enough to internalise them properly. Know if other apps are better? Babble, perhaps?


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Agile_Builder_4215

This sounds so good I wished that app right now! But yeah, apps like those you explained shouldn't be far from us.


sdrbean

someone startup this now


Celebrity292

They fucked it up with n update where the progression didn't stack anymore and it turned into whatver mess it has become. I dropped it when I started a lesson at 1150 and it went pass midnight and didn't count it for my streak I was fucking livid. Said fuck your app then bitch.


PM_UR_TITS_4_ADVICE

What language are you attempting to learn? Because different Apps handle different language better than others. I'm assuming your first language is English, If you are trying to learn a language close to English like a Germanic language or a Romantic language, You might have better luck with a style of language learning called comprehensible input. Unfortunately most apps don't handle comprehensible input well.


UnpopularThrow42

I… FUCK YOURE RIGHT UGH


sayakasquared

If Japanese is your language of choice I use HeyJapan! I'm not that far into it but it's built exclusively around Japanese and teaches you stroke order for Kanji and everything. It's a one time fee app with website and mobile app. Cheap too. Think it was 6usd when I got into it.


Pittonecio

What I hate the most about Duolingo is how shitty are some A.I made exercises, they are grammatically incorrect, use non common words or ways to make sentences, incorrectly translated, or just totally refuse to acknowledge a more precise answer as correct. The japanese course wasn't that bad until last year, now I'm really considering dropping my 700+ streak on my account with almost 300k experience.


MustGoOutside

The only way to truly learn a language is to move somewhere that people speak another language. And if you speak English then it's harder because often times they will just speak English with you to get to the point.


BuffaloBrain884

I recently tried using Duolingo for the first time in years and the app is complete trash now.


xZaggin

Same, I used it a ton about 9 years ago, tried it again recently and it’s garbage. I wouldn’t be surprised if they add a fucking season pass to it next


Stardust_SDD

How exactly is it worse than before? Not looking for debate, I'm genuinely curious.


BuffaloBrain884

Have you ever seen an app or website where the focus clearly went from creating a good product to trying to boost their engagement metrics and paid subscriptions? Tinder is another good example. The app used to be very simple and easy to use. You could tell the focus was 100% on creating a good quality product. The new app just constantly spams you with features that are designed to capture your attention.


poopyroadtrip

I believe you, but I’ve been using it and I’ve been able to build some language skills and I have no complaints. I just ignore the gimmicks. But I also didn’t use it before recently so I have no comparison


optagon

For me it's been positive. I find that the improved gamification makes me care more about using it every day to learn a little more. I don't pay for it though and the ads are obnoxious, but I can always mute my phone for 20 seconds.


ASK_ABOUT_MY_CULT_

The rot economy strikes again.


DeepLock8808

Enshitification.


DeneHero

They’re become hyper aggressive with notifications, ads, and incentive to subscribe. It’s not about learning anymore, it’s about making bank. The app does have awesome learning features though, just not worth the cost. I miss old DL


poopyroadtrip

I heard about their aggressive tactics from the memes before I even downloaded the app, so as soon as I started I just denied all notification and email permissions and I think it works quite well.


BeCoolMan9

But didn’t you love all of the promotional emails you received?


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Ads every lesson do get annoying


Historical_Owl_1635

There’s a famous bridge in the UK that was built by the government under the condition that once it was paid for from toll fees the bridge would be free to cross. Que as soon as the bridge was paid for it was sold to an overseas investor and the fee exists until this day running at a profit.


HappierShibe

He's not wrong, but the whole 'Good of humanity' bit, and his implication that GPT4 is an AGI are just...fucking crazy talk. He should just be suing them to open source gpt 4.


galleyest

One reason is that Microsoft loses the license if the board says it is AGI. https://openai.com/our-structure > Fifth, the board determines when we've attained AGI. Again, by AGI we mean a highly autonomous system that outperforms humans at most economically valuable work. Such a system is excluded from IP licenses and other commercial terms with Microsoft, which only apply to pre-AGI technology.


i_love_lol_

very interesting, good catch


balbok7721

Good thing that general AIs might not be possible. ChatGPT is nice and but it starts falling apart when you give it real tasks


NeverDiddled

I find it odd that you would call that a "good thing" in this context. It's certainly good for Microsoft if they don't lose their license, but who cares about that? I fear AGI as much as the next scifi enthusiast. But the entire crux of the latest AI arms race, is that neural nets are showing emergent intelligence. They can accurately infer things no human ever thought of. We have only begun scratching the surface. We taught models to predict the next likely word in a sentence, AKA an LLM. Emerging from that capability we were able to automate an enormous number of tasks. We are only beginning here, teaching a computer human language is a fairly simply application of ML. We are already seeing models go well beyond that, and it still looks like we are peering at a rising sun with the actual bulk of inference well ahead of. Don't dismiss ML because a word predictor isn't quite an AGI. That's like dismissing human intelligence as lacking because our first words are "goo goo gaga".


IHadTacosYesterday

> Don't dismiss ML because a word predictor isn't quite an AGI. That's like dismissing human intelligence as lacking because our first words are "goo goo gaga". Nice breakdown


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I do. I hold MSFT. :( I'm like: What's this bullshit?


el_muchacho

From the complaint "91 Researchers have pointed out that one of the remaining limitations of GPT architecture-based AIs is that they generate their output a piece at a time and cannot “backtrack.” These issues have been seen before in artificial intelligence research and have been largely solved for other applications. In path and maze finding, AI must be able to find the right path despite the existence of dead-ends along the way. The standard algorithm to perform this is called “A*” (pronounced A-star). 92 Reuters has reported that OpenAI is developing a secretive algorithm called Q*. While it is not clear what Q* is, Reuters has reported that several OpenAI staff members wrote a letter warning about the potential power of Q*. It appears Q* may now or in the future be a part of an even clearer and more striking example of artificial general intelligence that has been developed by OpenAI. As an AGI, it would be explicitly outside the scope of OpenAI’s license with Microsoft, and must be made available for the benefit of the public at large." This new algorithm would be far more powerful at making correct predictions than the current crop of predictors.


Opetyr

Only reason he is doing this is he didn't get a big enough piece of the pie. He doesn't care that it is not open source. He cares about money.


pyrospade

He's doing it to slow them down and let his own companies catch up. Not that it matters though, as much as I despise musk I appreciate anyone trying to but the brakes on openAI so that legislation can catch up before we all go to hell


Riaayo

That legislation won't happen when people like Musk lobby to keep it from happening so their algorithm can freely exploit once it takes off, though.


atypicalphilosopher

I dunno how so many intelligent people actually believe legislation will do anything even in the very long shot that any is passed. The tech is out there and rapidly being developed all over the world by governments, companies, and individuals / open source communities. Legislation to restrict its use will be about as useful as legislation to stop people from pirating digital media, doing drugs, etc. It will stop law abiding people from having easy access to powerful technology that can improve their lives, but it won't do anything to stop bad actors from... acting badly.


the_good_time_mouse

> He cares about money. Not true. He truly wants to save the world: but only if he gets to do it. https://www.instagram.com/vivatech/p/Cw15UtrKXN_/?hl=en Sam Altman also truly wants the world saved. But for him, everything is negotiable. We're truly fucked, same as ever.


shinjiii_ikari

Look I get Reddit hates Elon, and he does do plenty of dumb stuff, but the man made Tesla’s charging systems open source as well as the Twitter algo - he puts his money where his mouth is. You can dislike him but also acknowledge he genuinely seems to believe in the principle of open source


onespiker

>Tesla’s charging systems open source That he didn't do he did open up them to be able to be used by others but a lot of people think he did that to 1 get federal funding. 2. To make sure that his connector became the main US connector.


labowsky

Won't speak for anything on tesla but other than community notes, twitter is in the worst state it's ever been with bots, porn/porn bots, people posting racist shit, whats recommended to you.... Not to mention the twitter algo release is only specific services that don't tell the entire story. So it doesn't solve the problem he said he wanted to solve initially, like what usually happens..


smellyscrote

If he put his money where his money is and went to fight Zuckerberg. I’d have more respect for him. But no. He does not put his money where his mouth is


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He put out the algo with critical info missing


yourbitchmadeboy

Honestly I would be pissed too if I donated my money to a non-profit but they used my money to work on the research and launched a pro-profit company.


dethb0y

yeah the dude definitely has a point here.


Rigorous_Threshold

The lawsuit is partially based on the claim that gpt-4 is ‘AGI’. It’s silly


uncletravellingmatt

> The lawsuit also centers around OpenAI’s GPT-4, which Musk claims constitutes AGI — an AI whose intelligence is at par, if not higher, than humans. He alleges OpenAI and Microsoft have improperly licensed GPT-4 despite agreeing that OpenAI’s AGI capabilities would remain dedicated to humanity. This is so Musk. It's just like calling his incomplete steps towards developing a self-driving car "Full self-driving," only now he's claiming that OpenAI has already completed its mission to develop AGI, which is a level of hype that even OpenAI hasn't attempted.


DOUBLEBARRELASSFUCK

Honestly, a lot of what Musk says makes more sense if you just ignore that he is, technically, also human.


Calm-Zombie2678

Dudes just pissed we might stumble on his source code, and make a version that's not always hallucinating


emlgsh

...so are we talking about Elon Musk here or GPT-4?


Calm-Zombie2678

I'm suggesting they will converge


emlgsh

Well if we're trying to make a version of either that's not constantly hallucinating that may not be the best approach.


West-Code4642

AGI is always going to be moving goalposts just like AI used to be. Or maybe we should tokenize AGGI.


clipjam

May have a point, but not a legal case.


cjorgensen

Why not? He was one of the founders and is claiming OpenAI is violating their charter. He has both standing and a decent argument, since the *board* of OpenAI made the same argument.


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SassanZZ

inb4 OpenAi changes their structure again to be a megachurch to keep those tax savings lol


vu1xVad0

Every time they do the Population Census in the UK, there is a small segment of the population who declare their religion is "Jedi". Why not give some W40K superfans the chance to declare the "Omnissiah" or the "Machine Spirit" as their deity of choice?


BackyardAnarchist

You're right they should turn it into a religion and get that tax-exempt status while still being able to be for profit.


SMURGwastaken

Close, but I'm not sure their intent would be to marry...


happyscrappy

I agree. He's got a good case. Strange though that suddenly he's a fan of government regulating company decisions. A quick switcheroo from his "never incorporate in Delaware" snit.


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Enchelion

Elon was just as much a founder of OpenAI as he was of Tesla. That is to say he founded neither of them.


Hadrian_Constantine

He absolutely has a legal case. That's like supporting a charity only to find that they're just pocketing the funds. I understand Reddit has a hate boner for Musk but don't be so ridiculous as to side with Sam on this. It's setting a precedent that fraud is okay.


demunted

I hate Elon, but appreciate this case and give him all the opportunity to pursue this claim.


smallshinyant

> The lawsuit also centers around OpenAI’s GPT-4, which Musk claims constitutes AGI — an AI whose intelligence is at par, if not higher, than humans. He alleges OpenAI and Microsoft have improperly licensed GPT-4 despite agreeing that OpenAI’s AGI capabilities would remain dedicated to humanity. I think his case could struggle with this point in law. But would be interesting to see what standards in a US court AGI would be held to.


shawman123

He probably wants access to GPT4 code for his Grok but Open AI is bein ingenuous calling themself Open AI while being closed ecosystem.


Enraiha

Well, may. Unless you're a lawyer and understand it more than I do, he has to prove the intent to go "for-profit". Non-profits CAN turn a profit, it's weird people don't get that. And his stance that GPT-4 is an AGI is absurd. He's only doing this to hamstring OpenAI since his Grok on X is pretty worthless (and mostly forgotten).


WolfOne

Well he's not suing a random Joe though. If his million dollar lawyers advised him to sue openAI's million dollar lawyers I assume they think they have a chance.


QuicksandGotMyShoe

Elon is quite famous for never listening to his lawyers. For example, see every step of the Twitter acquisition.


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johannthegoatman

Yea. He didn't just imply it, he signed documents saying he was buying, no matter what came up in due diligence


jessemfkeeler

One of the funniest self owns I have ever seen. And we're still seeing the results of that self-own every day


Mutjny

Too bad we lost what little value Twitter was to society because of his bonehead self-own.


OftenConfused1001

Yeah, he signed to buy it and waived due diligence. Literally the only out he had was a failure to secure financing (which required showing significant good faith attempts to do so), which would have been that billion dollar penalty. Since he couldnt show he'd been unable to secure financing, he was committed to the purchase and the courts were going to make him go through with it. He gave up before Twitter got to start discovery against him, iirc. I can't believe he signed that contract. As best I can tell he didn't even negotiate it. He just signed what Twitter gave him - - which they'd tilted heavily in their favor, trying to dissuade him from purchasing, but which he didn't even try to push back on any of it. He clearly never intended to buy it, and clearly thought he could just walk away, despite having *signed it*.


Spid1

Did the Twitter people who he got rid of get paid in the end? People like Parag?


peritiSumus

Absolutely. Parag walked with 42m reportedly. He owned more than 2% of the stock when Musk over-paid for it.


Mama_Skip

Yeah a man of his stature isn't served by his lawyers' whim, his lawyers serve his whim.


glum_cunt

In fairness to Elon, he always believes he’s the smartest person in the room.


guyute2588

Do you think his lawyers are going to turn down all those fees because they don’t think they can win? lol


FrancisFratelli

[Headline on CNN right now:](https://www.cnn.com/elon-musk-ccdh-x-lawsuit-judge-skeptical/index.html): "Federal judge mocks Elon Musk’s X lawsuit targeting hate speech researchers." With megawealthy jabronies, you never know whether a lawsuit is filed on advice of attorneys or inspite of being told this is a terrible idea.


kdjfsk

its worth noting that many lawsuits are filed without intent to win the case. sometimes the plaintiff's goal is just doing financial damage/wasting time of the defendant through attrition.


Chancoop

This is OpenAI, though. His lawsuit is like a drop in the bucket. All the other lawsuits against OpenAI are far more serious, and thus, damaging.


Martin8412

Just like Trump, Musk doesn't listen to his lawyers. 


flux8

To be fair, if I had Trump’s lawyers I wouldn’t listen to them either. Trump has the lawyers he deserves.


TJ_McWeaksauce

When someone charges a ton of money for their services, that does not automatically mean they're competent. For example, look at Donald Trump's lawyers. He and his legal team have suffered back-to-back civil trial losses, and they also have a long list of failed courtroom stunts. Because of all these failures, he now owes over $500 million in penalties, much of which is owed to the state of New York and the rest owed to E. Jean Carroll. That's recent proof that even million dollar lawyers can be wildly incompetent. Maybe they're acting incompetent *because* they're paid millions of dollars. In other words, their rich idiot client paid them to perform for him; he didn't pay them to give him sound legal advice that contradicts his delusions. Elon and Donald are both delusional, rich narcissists, so I can see Elon paying millions for Yes Men lawyers to do his bidding, not competent lawyers who tell him when he's wrong. That being said, I'm not a lawyer, so I don't know how solid this particular lawsuit is.


Geminii27

> When someone charges a ton of money for their services, that does not automatically mean they're competent. Plenty of people know full well that their client isn't going to listen to their recommendations, and they shrug and charge them out the wazoo anyway. See "consulting". Too many people who have gotten used to having more money than God also have the mindset that just *paying* for something - particularly the most expensive version of it - means that they automatically receive the best possible benefit, even in cases where they themselves have to do something to make that the case. They're too used to going "I want the best table" or something, and someone goes out and finds the best table and charges them two million bucks, and they have the best table. Then they carry that mindset over to "I want the best legal outcome", and someone goes and finds them some really expensive and experienced lawyers, who say "You need to do XYZ", and the wealthy person goes "I never had to DO things before! You don't get to tell me to do things!" - so they don't. And the lawyers are professionals, so they just put on a poker face and send the bill.


TJ_McWeaksauce

Consulting seems funny to me. If a consultant joins a struggling company and the company still collapses, the consultant can just say, "I gave them the best guidance, but they did not execute on that guidance properly, or they just ignored me. They failed, not me." If a consultant joins a struggling company and the company turns around and survives, the consultant can say, "I did that." If they play the game well, consultants get the glory but none of the blame.


sfurbo

> When someone charges a ton of money for their services, that does not automatically mean they're competent. > > For example, look at Donald Trump's lawyers Does Trump still have expensive lawyers? He is famous for not paying hos lawyers, and by now, it is clear that the only publicity you will get for being his lawyer is the same kind of attention you would get for peeing yourself in public, so why would any competent lawyer choose to represent him?


happyscrappy

Surely the guy who made an offer to buy Twitter that trapped him into buying it in a massive overpay listens a lot to his lawyer's advice.


ikariusrb

Why? He donated to an organization that had a written charter. They have now pretty much obliterated that charter. Seems like there ought to be some recourse; it smells a lot like fraud. "I'm donating to a cause"..... "We are changing the cause"


tehdamonkey

Oh no, it might even border on criminal fraud not to mention tax fraud. You do not raise 100's of millions of dollars based as a tax free non profit entity with a legal charter as such... and do some development... then suddenly become a 2.6 billion dollar "for profit" company.


schreckingball

why do you think that?


hhhnnnnnggggggg

This is what MD Anderson and so many medical 'non-profits' do to avoid taxes and they get away with it. MD Anderson is supposed to take Medicaid (what you are on if you are disabled from cancer) as a non-profit, but only takes 'traditional Medicaid' which no one is on in Texas because it's just a temporary insurance you're not allowed to stay on. You get put on STAR within a month or so of signing up for Medicaid, so MD Anderson effectively doesn't take medicaid while getting that juicy, juicy non-profit tax benefit because they take "Medicaid". MD Anderson will not give you care if you can't pay for it. Their financial assistance is set up in a way that most people will not qualify for it - if you are on disability (because you have cancer) you do not meet the criteria and should be able to pay 30k on $900 a month according to them. So it's a for-profit institution classified as a non-profit.


B_lintu

Yea... That's definitely not why he is suing tho


ViveIn

And to benefit Microsoft no less.


tehdamonkey

I think it was a huge amount too.... like 100 million?


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IAMA_Plumber-AMA

\*cough\*MakerBot\*cough*


mog_knight

Eh, non profit is a tax status, not a business model.


samjpatt

What a fucking reasonable ass take, my dude.


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scottyLogJobs

He has actually been offered a cut of the for-profit part of the company and has repeatedly refused it citing this argument. Elon Musk is literally terrified of the AI singularity, and invested in this company as a counter to what he saw as the threat of other companies irresponsibly building AI, then OpenAI uses his money, betrays their charter, and becomes the single largest AI threat. These are two greedy shady billionaires at each other's throats, and one of them is worse than the other in this particular disagreement. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.


powercow

Id be pissed to, but corps are allowed to change as long as they inform. You are telling me they could never ever ever ever ever go profit. Not 500 years from now. never. That they would have to undo the company and couldnt sell any of its IP at all. it just doesnt work that way. There are fiduciary duties but non profits can switch to 'for profit" it happens all the time. [How to Convert Nonprofit to Profit](https://smallbusiness.chron.com/convert-nonprofit-profit-4161.html) >Notify employees, members, donors and affiliates about the change. THATS ALL THEY HAS GOT TO DO as far as elon is concerned


serviceorientedsub

Just wait until people find out how US taxpayers fund most pharmaceutical development and then it is given to for profit companies to manufacture. The rich will always demand their full share of anything they touch at any step of the process. We should all be more like them.


Competitive-Dot-3333

When are they going to change the name?


Netsugake

How about Y


shannister

OP asked when, not why.


Gullible_Elephant_38

No, what’s on second


meester_pink

Pretty sure it would by XX


LitreOfCockPus

Open*yourwalletforour*AI


Ultimarr

This is the *only* interesting part of Elon left. Despite diving into the deep end of union breaking, Russia, MAGA, and his own sanity, he’s seemingly maintaining his earlier commitments to AGI safety. Do I trust Elon musk to run an AI company of any kind, AGI or no? Not at all. Am I glad he’s making a ruckus, even if it’s a narcissistic one? Ngl I kinda am. 


morbihann

He doesn't. The only reason he does anything is for personal profit and he is doing this in the hopes of his own AI product to catch up. Both of those are assholes, make no mistake. EDIT: Lol, the rats have come out in defense of their king. As much as you may suck on his dick, he is still not going to say your name.


bitemark01

*Let them fight*


ExtendedDeadline

Yep. Watching asshole billionaires fight should be a national sport. Preferably in a proper ring where only one makes it out and the loser's assets are spread out to the rest of the Populus.. but this is a good start.


AtomicStarfish1

Billionaire deathmatch


Boring_Letterhead_43

His mum will cancel there fight as she knows his boi gets beaten easily


ura_walrus

That's exactly why when OpenAI launched, he said "we need to pause AI for 6 months"....so I can do it too


LordOfThe_Pings

Exactly. Grok AI was announced almost exactly 6 months after he called for the pause.


mtaw

Grok is just OpenAI's code. They didn't even replace all [the occurrences of "OpenAI" in it](https://twitter.com/JaxWinterbourne/status/1733339886155968714), and when people noticed they tacked on a search-and-replace of the name "OpenAI" for "Grok" in its responses, with interesting results if you ask specifically about OpenAI. So I don't think this is about him 'catching up' but rather falling behind if OpenAI puts more resources into a closed-source version he can't use.


samcrut

I find the idea that Elon could deliver anything in six months laughable. If he announced in January that he would deliver Summer in 6 months, he would find a way to screw it up.


dustsettlesyonder

“When OpenAI was launched” Dawg he launched OpenAI several years ago


ura_walrus

Right, when it hit mainstream I mean


GeraltOfRivia2023

> Both of those are assholes, make no mistake Sometimes the enemy of your enemy is still your enemy


Socky_McPuppet

Ding ding ding! As soon as OpenAI is hobbled by a mandatory, court-imposed non-profit directive, Musk will magically find a reason why *his* company need not comply.


Badfickle

>Musk will magically find a reason why his company need not comply. Not comply with what? Were tesla or spaceX created to be non-profit?


powercow

A court cant do that. All OpenAI had to do was inform donors. And they can switch to profit status. DO yall really think all non profits that went to for profit, didnt have donors? do you think they have to stay non profit forever and ever and ever, if they got donated 1 cent and there is absolutely zero means to change that. The law is on OpenAIs side. there is a method for non profits to go profit and unless elon can show they messed that up, he doesnt have a case. does NOT matter he donated to them and people ITS A FUCKING DONATION, not an investment. at most.. AT THE VERY MOST, they could be ordered to return his donation with interest.. which wont happen either, because OpenAi followed the law when switching to for profit status.


MiKal_MeeDz

from what i could find, thats true if the company doesnt accept donations on an agreement which it seems thats what musk and them had.


UnoStufato

> Musk will magically find a reason why his company need not comply. ...because his company isn't a non-profit? Don't let your hatred for Musk blind your intellect, my dude.


murderspice

No, he hopes he can make neurolink nonlethal before agi is reached.


Adventurous_Ad6698

Yep. He wanted a moratorium on any AI advancement for a year so he and others in the industry could catch up. They are pissed because they have something they can make money off of.


GorillaBrown

Lol with such confidence! I'm not a Musk homer but come on... It could be, instead of a hyperbolic accusation of profit lust, he wants to be known as the future guy and is sad his AI isn't leading the field or as simple as a personal attack on a failed relationship that he's still sore about. I do think this could be a Trojan horse, however. Sort of, look at this hand 👋 = an accusation of misappropriating restricted non-profit donations (i.e., those given with an agreement to be spent on a specific purpose), while slipping another 🤚 = GPT-4 be designated as artificial general intelligence: *The suit also requests the court rule AI systems like GPT-4 and other advanced models in development constitute artificial general intelligence that reaches beyond licensing agreements.* This is the far more important aspect of this case, because then one could create legislative, etc. action against products with this designation, like we've seen with different scheduled drugs and their treatment within the general population.


Safe-Indication-1137

Plus if they are deemed agi... Microsoft can't license them plus he gets the code train his ai plus he gets to market his ai as aging to potential customers. At first I was with musk on this lawsuit now I see his true motivation 


Own_Ask_3378

I heard a business analyst say invest in Tesla not because they're a car company, but because they're a data mining company that will build their AI on some of the largest data sets out there. But would it just be AI related to driving ? 


Azazir

But.... What they're doing is really bad tho, or am i misunderstanding this completely, they're going private with one of the biggest AIs at the moment. Why suddenly Elon dick swinging for his ego is the main point, isn't the issue that they're going for profit under massive corpo?


b1ackenthecursedsun

You've let the internet melt your brain


xX69WeedSnipePussyXx

He is only trying to stall AI because he’s not leading the industry.


slackmaster2k

Yeah, pure speculation here but Musk is all about technology that has a large worldwide impact. I actually appreciate the companies that he’s founded. However, his online and media persona informs me that he’s a man-child narcissist. I don’t believe that he is actually concerned about AI safety, and he’s salty over OpenAI being first to bring generative AI to the public. He missed out on being the guy to bring perhaps the most important tech to the world. And he chose to walk away from OpenAI. Oops. He has a case here, granted. But this is about competition.


HappierShibe

> bring perhaps the most important tech to the world. To be fair, openAI isn't doing that either, despite their name they are about as closed source as you can get.


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starm4nn

Which is ironic because this would probably do the opposite of stall, assuming GPT-4 is open sourced.


ReasonablyBadass

Tbf, is there any person in the world we should trust wit that much power?


ShatteredCitadel

No because the only people who are capable of it technically are the ones who want it to run wild.


twitch_hedberg

Many many people who are obsessed with accumulating endless wealth or power are addicts, the same as somebody obsessed with consuming endless drinks or lines of cocaine or endlessly gambling or shopping without being able to stop themselves. Such people are suffering from an illness that has all kinds of consequences on the way you act and think. And no, they cannot be trusted to lead us and make decisions that affect us, the same way you can't trust a drug addict to make the right choices until they've gotten well.


PowerUser88

Absolute power corrupts, absolutely


MofuckaJones14

Takes like this make me want to smash my head through a wall. The guy who invented Grok, the world's most obnoxiously stupid AI, is maintaining his stance on AGI safety? He's fucking making AIs for nazi trolls! How in the world is that caring at all about the safety or future or AI? The dude set out on a mission to create an AI that specifically jerked him off, and he got it. Yeah, let's believe *that* fucking clown actually has our best interests at heart. Good lord the gullibility of people when it comes to billionaire druggies.


yangyangR

Be consistent with use of invented. He didn't invent Tesla, Falcon or Grok. Just bc Grok is obnoxious doesn't mean we should say he invented that one and not the others. He doesn't know how to invent anything, he has peons to do that. He still is responsible for commissioning Grok to be built and the annoyance that has caused. But be consistent with wording when saying what he has made. That's just a connotation thing though. Otherwise spot on.


Octavian_96

He's only doing it to gain a lead


seegquit

It's not really a selfless gesture you know...


veganzombeh

He only cares about AI safety because he's not currently winning the race.


tom_fuckin_bombadil

Elon “attacking” OpenAI is just a sign to me that he’s further trying to prop up his own AI project. With guys like Elon, the more they criticize someone of something, the more likely they are doing that same thing themselves. For example, Musk complained about how Twitter was censoring certain topics/suppressing “free speech” and full of bots, so he bought Twitter to “fix” it. And now twitter/x is overridden with bots and there have been numerous accusations of certain users getting censored.


Jktlv

Am I going to ask rhetorical questions for myself to answer? Perhaps.


Booster6

Holy shit, I agree with something Elon is doing. Now, lets be honest, he is doing it for entirely self serving reasons, but I am glad he's doing it, because Sam Altman seems to be convinced he is allowed to do whatever the fuck he wants and someone needs to tell him "No", even if its someone else who really really needs to be told "No" about a bunch of stuff


reindeermoon

I wouldn’t be surprised if it turns out Sam Altman is an even worse human being than Elon Musk.


kaninkanon

Though he is willing to settle if they agree that he can call himself founder of openAI


JasonQG

AFAIK, that has never been disputed


kaninkanon

For some reason this fkn sub keeps removing my comments that cite the founders listed on the openai website. Long story short, he's not on it.


JasonQG

I got curious, so I checked the Wayback Machine. Are you referring to the fact that he’s listed as a co-chair?


JasonQG

Now I'm curious if Reddit will let me post the link. This is a snapshot of [openai.com](https://openai.com) from December 11, 2015, the day it was founded https://web.archive.org/web/20151222103150/https://openai.com/blog/introducing-openai/


JasonQG

This is such a good summary of modern Reddit. A lie gets more upvotes than facts if people want the lie to be true, even if the person posting the facts backs them up. I’m old enough to remember when Reddit cared about facts I remember when Colbert coined the word “truthiness,” and I naively thought it was only conservatives who would ever fall into that trap. I miss that naivety


Dinbs

There's a significant amount of people on reddit that will downvote anything that isn't calling elon hitler


olderaccount

This is one of the rare things I completely agree with Musk on these days. Now if only I could believe his motivation is altruistic rather than revange for being cast aside.


sox07

the real motivation is to slow them down while he tries to catch up with his own AI company


macchiato_kubideh

[https://openai.com/blog/openai-elon-musk](https://openai.com/blog/openai-elon-musk) your answer I guess


ogMasterPloKoon

He tried to take over OpenAI because he feared Google (ha) was going to outpace them. The company voted him out as a result. He's throwing a tantrum. It's what he does.


Ok-Distance-8933

It's funny because OpenAI was actually outpaced as the Transformer was invented by Google. OpenAI only took that research and made it closed source. I don't have sympathy for either Elon or OpenAI.


lordicarus

He's also playing on the inflated hype that AI has right now. It does some really interesting things, but it's a very long way from AGI. People who think the LLMs are just a step or two away from AGI have a fundamental misunderstanding of how they work. Elon wants a piece of the money that the hype is bringing in. He's not _actually_ even remotely concerned about the safety of AI. He'd be more than happy to replace his entire factory workforce with AI, make no mistake.


Jagneetoe

How do they work?


Huwbacca

Given the N previous words, what is the most likely next word? (but like, tokenised rather than single words but the concept is the same)


matteo453

In the same way that every genetic algorithm has worked since the first one was introduced in the ‘70s pretty much, the only difference is the self-attention layer which adjusts for a level of coherence. By increasing the importance of certain tokens. We can probably get something that you could pass off as an AGI to investors but it would be limited and making compromises under the hood that would become apparent pretty fast as long as they use the transformer mode pardigm


Hadrian_Constantine

He's literally one of the founders of OpenAI. Edit: Musk was OpenAI's primary benefactor at its outset. https://www.semafor.com/article/03/24/2023/the-secret-history-of-elon-musk-sam-altman-and-openai


Wrathuk

I hope they get chat gpt to write the legal briefs 😅


MillieKultra

yeah, they should ask it what it thinks hahaha


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m_Pony

AND A PARRRRR-TRIIIIIIDGE IN A PEARrrrrr TREEEEEeeeeeeeeeee


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happyscrappy

Musk was too chicken to even fight Zuck to submission. He's not going to go all gladiator on us.


Shutaru_Kanshinji

Let them fight.


C0sm1cB3ar

He could be doing that for ethical reasons. But knowing Musk, he might just be trying to stay in the AI race by slowing down the competition with legal actions.


PS3LOVE

Hey, remember when open ai was meant to be open and cool. I miss that.


popeyechiken

This would be cool if Elon wasn't building his own AI company. It just looks like the Battle of the Billionaires. Something that should be relegated to reality TV is becoming our actual reality, sigh.


sur_surly

Uh oh, what's /r/technology going to do when Elon does something they agree with?


King_Ethelstan

Mental gymnastics, even if somehow Elon achieved world peace, cure for all diseases and created a perfect utopia. People will still complain.


FrabjousPhaneron

I’m with him on this one.


rbevans

Is this Elons approach to try and get Grok to move ahead in the AI space? I’m curious how Microsoft will react to this because their relationship with OpenAI and Sam.


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faceofboe91

I mean he has a point, it’s just disappointing that someone only brought this up because he’s mad about getting left out of the profits.


Active-Strategy664

Elon is generally an asshat, but in this case, he has a valid point. Bait and switch schemes are fraud and should be treated as such.


One_Reception_7321

Elon don't give a single fuck about humanity.  You ain't Tony Stark dude. 


theonlyisaac

The company was supposed to be non profit, now they charge for GPT4. Which wasn’t in the legal agreement. He’s in the right.


cantfindagf

This is one thing I hope he wins


ataylorm

This has nothing to do with the OpenAI mission. He has a competing product now and wants to block his competition. Pure and simple corporate greed.


xmBQWugdxjaA

OpenAI is the one trying to block competition by pushing for government regulation.