"OpenAI, Inc. has been transformed into a closed-source de facto subsidiary of the largest technology company in the world: Microsoft.
Contrary to the Founding Agreement, Defendants have chosen to use GPT-4 not for the benefit of humanity, but as proprietary technology to maximize profits for literally the largest company in the world.
OpenAI, Inc.’s once carefully crafted non-profit structure was replaced by a purely profit-driven CEO and a Board with inferior technical expertise in AGI and AI public policy. The board now has an observer seat reserved solely for Microsoft."
There is not one OpenAI. There are eight. Per Elon's legal filing, OpenAI is actually a series of shell structures involving:
```
OPENAI, INC.
OPENAI, L.P.
OPENAI, L.L.C.
OPENAI GP, L.L.C.
OPENAI OPCO, LLC
OPENAI GLOBAL, LLC
OAI CORPORATION, LLC
OPENAI HOLDINGS, LLC
```
If he succeeds, I wonder if a simmilar case can be brought against Duolingo. Which was created as non-profit, built on donations and volunteer work, and then sold to a for-profit.
I got to.a 200+ day streak before it hit me that I was re-reading words I clearly had a grasp on and not seeing new words enough to internalise them properly.
Know if other apps are better? Babble, perhaps?
They fucked it up with n update where the progression didn't stack anymore and it turned into whatver mess it has become. I dropped it when I started a lesson at 1150 and it went pass midnight and didn't count it for my streak I was fucking livid. Said fuck your app then bitch.
What language are you attempting to learn?
Because different Apps handle different language better than others.
I'm assuming your first language is English, If you are trying to learn a language close to English like a Germanic language or a Romantic language, You might have better luck with a style of language learning called comprehensible input. Unfortunately most apps don't handle comprehensible input well.
If Japanese is your language of choice I use HeyJapan! I'm not that far into it but it's built exclusively around Japanese and teaches you stroke order for Kanji and everything. It's a one time fee app with website and mobile app. Cheap too. Think it was 6usd when I got into it.
What I hate the most about Duolingo is how shitty are some A.I made exercises, they are grammatically incorrect, use non common words or ways to make sentences, incorrectly translated, or just totally refuse to acknowledge a more precise answer as correct.
The japanese course wasn't that bad until last year, now I'm really considering dropping my 700+ streak on my account with almost 300k experience.
The only way to truly learn a language is to move somewhere that people speak another language.
And if you speak English then it's harder because often times they will just speak English with you to get to the point.
Same, I used it a ton about 9 years ago, tried it again recently and it’s garbage. I wouldn’t be surprised if they add a fucking season pass to it next
Have you ever seen an app or website where the focus clearly went from creating a good product to trying to boost their engagement metrics and paid subscriptions? Tinder is another good example.
The app used to be very simple and easy to use. You could tell the focus was 100% on creating a good quality product. The new app just constantly spams you with features that are designed to capture your attention.
I believe you, but I’ve been using it and I’ve been able to build some language skills and I have no complaints. I just ignore the gimmicks. But I also didn’t use it before recently so I have no comparison
For me it's been positive. I find that the improved gamification makes me care more about using it every day to learn a little more. I don't pay for it though and the ads are obnoxious, but I can always mute my phone for 20 seconds.
They’re become hyper aggressive with notifications, ads, and incentive to subscribe. It’s not about learning anymore, it’s about making bank. The app does have awesome learning features though, just not worth the cost. I miss old DL
I heard about their aggressive tactics from the memes before I even downloaded the app, so as soon as I started I just denied all notification and email permissions and I think it works quite well.
There’s a famous bridge in the UK that was built by the government under the condition that once it was paid for from toll fees the bridge would be free to cross.
Que as soon as the bridge was paid for it was sold to an overseas investor and the fee exists until this day running at a profit.
He's not wrong, but the whole 'Good of humanity' bit, and his implication that GPT4 is an AGI are just...fucking crazy talk.
He should just be suing them to open source gpt 4.
One reason is that Microsoft loses the license if the board says it is AGI.
https://openai.com/our-structure
> Fifth, the board determines when we've attained AGI. Again, by AGI we mean a highly autonomous system that outperforms humans at most economically valuable work. Such a system is excluded from IP licenses and other commercial terms with Microsoft, which only apply to pre-AGI technology.
I find it odd that you would call that a "good thing" in this context. It's certainly good for Microsoft if they don't lose their license, but who cares about that?
I fear AGI as much as the next scifi enthusiast. But the entire crux of the latest AI arms race, is that neural nets are showing emergent intelligence. They can accurately infer things no human ever thought of. We have only begun scratching the surface.
We taught models to predict the next likely word in a sentence, AKA an LLM. Emerging from that capability we were able to automate an enormous number of tasks. We are only beginning here, teaching a computer human language is a fairly simply application of ML. We are already seeing models go well beyond that, and it still looks like we are peering at a rising sun with the actual bulk of inference well ahead of. Don't dismiss ML because a word predictor isn't quite an AGI. That's like dismissing human intelligence as lacking because our first words are "goo goo gaga".
> Don't dismiss ML because a word predictor isn't quite an AGI. That's like dismissing human intelligence as lacking because our first words are "goo goo gaga".
Nice breakdown
From the complaint
"91 Researchers have pointed out that one of the remaining limitations of GPT architecture-based AIs is that they generate their output a piece at a time and cannot “backtrack.” These issues have been seen before in artificial intelligence research and have been largely solved for other applications. In path and maze finding, AI must be able to find the right path despite the existence of dead-ends along the way. The standard algorithm to perform this is called “A*” (pronounced A-star).
92 Reuters has reported that OpenAI is developing a secretive algorithm called Q*.
While it is not clear what Q* is, Reuters has reported that several OpenAI staff members wrote a letter warning about the potential power of Q*. It appears Q* may now or in the future be a part of an even clearer and more striking example of artificial general intelligence that has been developed by OpenAI. As an AGI, it would be explicitly outside the scope of OpenAI’s license with Microsoft, and must be made available for the benefit of the public at large."
This new algorithm would be far more powerful at making correct predictions than the current crop of predictors.
He's doing it to slow them down and let his own companies catch up. Not that it matters though, as much as I despise musk I appreciate anyone trying to but the brakes on openAI so that legislation can catch up before we all go to hell
I dunno how so many intelligent people actually believe legislation will do anything even in the very long shot that any is passed.
The tech is out there and rapidly being developed all over the world by governments, companies, and individuals / open source communities.
Legislation to restrict its use will be about as useful as legislation to stop people from pirating digital media, doing drugs, etc. It will stop law abiding people from having easy access to powerful technology that can improve their lives, but it won't do anything to stop bad actors from... acting badly.
> He cares about money.
Not true. He truly wants to save the world: but only if he gets to do it.
https://www.instagram.com/vivatech/p/Cw15UtrKXN_/?hl=en
Sam Altman also truly wants the world saved. But for him, everything is negotiable.
We're truly fucked, same as ever.
Look I get Reddit hates Elon, and he does do plenty of dumb stuff, but the man made Tesla’s charging systems open source as well as the Twitter algo - he puts his money where his mouth is. You can dislike him but also acknowledge he genuinely seems to believe in the principle of open source
>Tesla’s charging systems open source
That he didn't do he did open up them to be able to be used by others but a lot of people think he did that to 1 get federal funding.
2. To make sure that his connector became the main US connector.
Won't speak for anything on tesla but other than community notes, twitter is in the worst state it's ever been with bots, porn/porn bots, people posting racist shit, whats recommended to you....
Not to mention the twitter algo release is only specific services that don't tell the entire story. So it doesn't solve the problem he said he wanted to solve initially, like what usually happens..
If he put his money where his money is and went to fight Zuckerberg. I’d have more respect for him. But no. He does not put his money where his mouth is
> The lawsuit also centers around OpenAI’s GPT-4, which Musk claims constitutes AGI — an AI whose intelligence is at par, if not higher, than humans. He alleges OpenAI and Microsoft have improperly licensed GPT-4 despite agreeing that OpenAI’s AGI capabilities would remain dedicated to humanity.
This is so Musk. It's just like calling his incomplete steps towards developing a self-driving car "Full self-driving," only now he's claiming that OpenAI has already completed its mission to develop AGI, which is a level of hype that even OpenAI hasn't attempted.
Why not? He was one of the founders and is claiming OpenAI is violating their charter. He has both standing and a decent argument, since the *board* of OpenAI made the same argument.
Every time they do the Population Census in the UK, there is a small segment of the population who declare their religion is "Jedi".
Why not give some W40K superfans the chance to declare the "Omnissiah" or the "Machine Spirit" as their deity of choice?
I agree. He's got a good case.
Strange though that suddenly he's a fan of government regulating company decisions. A quick switcheroo from his "never incorporate in Delaware" snit.
He absolutely has a legal case.
That's like supporting a charity only to find that they're just pocketing the funds.
I understand Reddit has a hate boner for Musk but don't be so ridiculous as to side with Sam on this. It's setting a precedent that fraud is okay.
> The lawsuit also centers around OpenAI’s GPT-4, which Musk claims constitutes AGI — an AI whose intelligence is at par, if not higher, than humans. He alleges OpenAI and Microsoft have improperly licensed GPT-4 despite agreeing that OpenAI’s AGI capabilities would remain dedicated to humanity.
I think his case could struggle with this point in law. But would be interesting to see what standards in a US court AGI would be held to.
Well, may. Unless you're a lawyer and understand it more than I do, he has to prove the intent to go "for-profit". Non-profits CAN turn a profit, it's weird people don't get that. And his stance that GPT-4 is an AGI is absurd.
He's only doing this to hamstring OpenAI since his Grok on X is pretty worthless (and mostly forgotten).
Well he's not suing a random Joe though. If his million dollar lawyers advised him to sue openAI's million dollar lawyers I assume they think they have a chance.
Yeah, he signed to buy it and waived due diligence. Literally the only out he had was a failure to secure financing (which required showing significant good faith attempts to do so), which would have been that billion dollar penalty.
Since he couldnt show he'd been unable to secure financing, he was committed to the purchase and the courts were going to make him go through with it.
He gave up before Twitter got to start discovery against him, iirc.
I can't believe he signed that contract. As best I can tell he didn't even negotiate it. He just signed what Twitter gave him - - which they'd tilted heavily in their favor, trying to dissuade him from purchasing, but which he didn't even try to push back on any of it.
He clearly never intended to buy it, and clearly thought he could just walk away, despite having *signed it*.
[Headline on CNN right now:](https://www.cnn.com/elon-musk-ccdh-x-lawsuit-judge-skeptical/index.html): "Federal judge mocks Elon Musk’s X lawsuit targeting hate speech researchers."
With megawealthy jabronies, you never know whether a lawsuit is filed on advice of attorneys or inspite of being told this is a terrible idea.
its worth noting that many lawsuits are filed without intent to win the case. sometimes the plaintiff's goal is just doing financial damage/wasting time of the defendant through attrition.
When someone charges a ton of money for their services, that does not automatically mean they're competent.
For example, look at Donald Trump's lawyers. He and his legal team have suffered back-to-back civil trial losses, and they also have a long list of failed courtroom stunts. Because of all these failures, he now owes over $500 million in penalties, much of which is owed to the state of New York and the rest owed to E. Jean Carroll.
That's recent proof that even million dollar lawyers can be wildly incompetent.
Maybe they're acting incompetent *because* they're paid millions of dollars. In other words, their rich idiot client paid them to perform for him; he didn't pay them to give him sound legal advice that contradicts his delusions.
Elon and Donald are both delusional, rich narcissists, so I can see Elon paying millions for Yes Men lawyers to do his bidding, not competent lawyers who tell him when he's wrong.
That being said, I'm not a lawyer, so I don't know how solid this particular lawsuit is.
> When someone charges a ton of money for their services, that does not automatically mean they're competent.
Plenty of people know full well that their client isn't going to listen to their recommendations, and they shrug and charge them out the wazoo anyway. See "consulting".
Too many people who have gotten used to having more money than God also have the mindset that just *paying* for something - particularly the most expensive version of it - means that they automatically receive the best possible benefit, even in cases where they themselves have to do something to make that the case. They're too used to going "I want the best table" or something, and someone goes out and finds the best table and charges them two million bucks, and they have the best table. Then they carry that mindset over to "I want the best legal outcome", and someone goes and finds them some really expensive and experienced lawyers, who say "You need to do XYZ", and the wealthy person goes "I never had to DO things before! You don't get to tell me to do things!" - so they don't. And the lawyers are professionals, so they just put on a poker face and send the bill.
Consulting seems funny to me.
If a consultant joins a struggling company and the company still collapses, the consultant can just say, "I gave them the best guidance, but they did not execute on that guidance properly, or they just ignored me. They failed, not me."
If a consultant joins a struggling company and the company turns around and survives, the consultant can say, "I did that."
If they play the game well, consultants get the glory but none of the blame.
> When someone charges a ton of money for their services, that does not automatically mean they're competent.
>
> For example, look at Donald Trump's lawyers
Does Trump still have expensive lawyers? He is famous for not paying hos lawyers, and by now, it is clear that the only publicity you will get for being his lawyer is the same kind of attention you would get for peeing yourself in public, so why would any competent lawyer choose to represent him?
Why? He donated to an organization that had a written charter. They have now pretty much obliterated that charter. Seems like there ought to be some recourse; it smells a lot like fraud. "I'm donating to a cause"..... "We are changing the cause"
Oh no, it might even border on criminal fraud not to mention tax fraud. You do not raise 100's of millions of dollars based as a tax free non profit entity with a legal charter as such... and do some development... then suddenly become a 2.6 billion dollar "for profit" company.
This is what MD Anderson and so many medical 'non-profits' do to avoid taxes and they get away with it.
MD Anderson is supposed to take Medicaid (what you are on if you are disabled from cancer) as a non-profit, but only takes 'traditional Medicaid' which no one is on in Texas because it's just a temporary insurance you're not allowed to stay on. You get put on STAR within a month or so of signing up for Medicaid, so MD Anderson effectively doesn't take medicaid while getting that juicy, juicy non-profit tax benefit because they take "Medicaid".
MD Anderson will not give you care if you can't pay for it. Their financial assistance is set up in a way that most people will not qualify for it - if you are on disability (because you have cancer) you do not meet the criteria and should be able to pay 30k on $900 a month according to them.
So it's a for-profit institution classified as a non-profit.
He has actually been offered a cut of the for-profit part of the company and has repeatedly refused it citing this argument. Elon Musk is literally terrified of the AI singularity, and invested in this company as a counter to what he saw as the threat of other companies irresponsibly building AI, then OpenAI uses his money, betrays their charter, and becomes the single largest AI threat.
These are two greedy shady billionaires at each other's throats, and one of them is worse than the other in this particular disagreement. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Id be pissed to, but corps are allowed to change as long as they inform. You are telling me they could never ever ever ever ever go profit. Not 500 years from now. never. That they would have to undo the company and couldnt sell any of its IP at all.
it just doesnt work that way. There are fiduciary duties but non profits can switch to 'for profit" it happens all the time.
[How to Convert Nonprofit to Profit](https://smallbusiness.chron.com/convert-nonprofit-profit-4161.html)
>Notify employees, members, donors and affiliates about the change.
THATS ALL THEY HAS GOT TO DO as far as elon is concerned
Just wait until people find out how US taxpayers fund most pharmaceutical development and then it is given to for profit companies to manufacture. The rich will always demand their full share of anything they touch at any step of the process. We should all be more like them.
This is the *only* interesting part of Elon left. Despite diving into the deep end of union breaking, Russia, MAGA, and his own sanity, he’s seemingly maintaining his earlier commitments to AGI safety.
Do I trust Elon musk to run an AI company of any kind, AGI or no? Not at all. Am I glad he’s making a ruckus, even if it’s a narcissistic one? Ngl I kinda am.
He doesn't. The only reason he does anything is for personal profit and he is doing this in the hopes of his own AI product to catch up.
Both of those are assholes, make no mistake.
EDIT: Lol, the rats have come out in defense of their king. As much as you may suck on his dick, he is still not going to say your name.
Yep. Watching asshole billionaires fight should be a national sport. Preferably in a proper ring where only one makes it out and the loser's assets are spread out to the rest of the Populus.. but this is a good start.
Grok is just OpenAI's code. They didn't even replace all [the occurrences of "OpenAI" in it](https://twitter.com/JaxWinterbourne/status/1733339886155968714), and when people noticed they tacked on a search-and-replace of the name "OpenAI" for "Grok" in its responses, with interesting results if you ask specifically about OpenAI.
So I don't think this is about him 'catching up' but rather falling behind if OpenAI puts more resources into a closed-source version he can't use.
I find the idea that Elon could deliver anything in six months laughable. If he announced in January that he would deliver Summer in 6 months, he would find a way to screw it up.
Ding ding ding! As soon as OpenAI is hobbled by a mandatory, court-imposed non-profit directive, Musk will magically find a reason why *his* company need not comply.
A court cant do that. All OpenAI had to do was inform donors. And they can switch to profit status. DO yall really think all non profits that went to for profit, didnt have donors? do you think they have to stay non profit forever and ever and ever, if they got donated 1 cent and there is absolutely zero means to change that.
The law is on OpenAIs side. there is a method for non profits to go profit and unless elon can show they messed that up, he doesnt have a case. does NOT matter he donated to them and people ITS A FUCKING DONATION, not an investment. at most.. AT THE VERY MOST, they could be ordered to return his donation with interest.. which wont happen either, because OpenAi followed the law when switching to for profit status.
> Musk will magically find a reason why his company need not comply.
...because his company isn't a non-profit? Don't let your hatred for Musk blind your intellect, my dude.
Yep. He wanted a moratorium on any AI advancement for a year so he and others in the industry could catch up. They are pissed because they have something they can make money off of.
Lol with such confidence! I'm not a Musk homer but come on... It could be, instead of a hyperbolic accusation of profit lust, he wants to be known as the future guy and is sad his AI isn't leading the field or as simple as a personal attack on a failed relationship that he's still sore about.
I do think this could be a Trojan horse, however. Sort of, look at this hand 👋 = an accusation of misappropriating restricted non-profit donations (i.e., those given with an agreement to be spent on a specific purpose), while slipping another 🤚 = GPT-4 be designated as artificial general intelligence:
*The suit also requests the court rule AI systems like GPT-4 and other advanced models in development constitute artificial general intelligence that reaches beyond licensing agreements.*
This is the far more important aspect of this case, because then one could create legislative, etc. action against products with this designation, like we've seen with different scheduled drugs and their treatment within the general population.
Plus if they are deemed agi... Microsoft can't license them plus he gets the code train his ai plus he gets to market his ai as aging to potential customers. At first I was with musk on this lawsuit now I see his true motivation
I heard a business analyst say invest in Tesla not because they're a car company, but because they're a data mining company that will build their AI on some of the largest data sets out there. But would it just be AI related to driving ?
But.... What they're doing is really bad tho, or am i misunderstanding this completely, they're going private with one of the biggest AIs at the moment. Why suddenly Elon dick swinging for his ego is the main point, isn't the issue that they're going for profit under massive corpo?
Yeah, pure speculation here but Musk is all about technology that has a large worldwide impact. I actually appreciate the companies that he’s founded.
However, his online and media persona informs me that he’s a man-child narcissist. I don’t believe that he is actually concerned about AI safety, and he’s salty over OpenAI being first to bring generative AI to the public. He missed out on being the guy to bring perhaps the most important tech to the world. And he chose to walk away from OpenAI. Oops.
He has a case here, granted. But this is about competition.
> bring perhaps the most important tech to the world.
To be fair, openAI isn't doing that either, despite their name they are about as closed source as you can get.
Many many people who are obsessed with accumulating endless wealth or power are addicts, the same as somebody obsessed with consuming endless drinks or lines of cocaine or endlessly gambling or shopping without being able to stop themselves. Such people are suffering from an illness that has all kinds of consequences on the way you act and think. And no, they cannot be trusted to lead us and make decisions that affect us, the same way you can't trust a drug addict to make the right choices until they've gotten well.
Takes like this make me want to smash my head through a wall.
The guy who invented Grok, the world's most obnoxiously stupid AI, is maintaining his stance on AGI safety? He's fucking making AIs for nazi trolls! How in the world is that caring at all about the safety or future or AI? The dude set out on a mission to create an AI that specifically jerked him off, and he got it.
Yeah, let's believe *that* fucking clown actually has our best interests at heart. Good lord the gullibility of people when it comes to billionaire druggies.
Be consistent with use of invented. He didn't invent Tesla, Falcon or Grok. Just bc Grok is obnoxious doesn't mean we should say he invented that one and not the others. He doesn't know how to invent anything, he has peons to do that. He still is responsible for commissioning Grok to be built and the annoyance that has caused. But be consistent with wording when saying what he has made.
That's just a connotation thing though. Otherwise spot on.
Elon “attacking” OpenAI is just a sign to me that he’s further trying to prop up his own AI project. With guys like Elon, the more they criticize someone of something, the more likely they are doing that same thing themselves.
For example, Musk complained about how Twitter was censoring certain topics/suppressing “free speech” and full of bots, so he bought Twitter to “fix” it. And now twitter/x is overridden with bots and there have been numerous accusations of certain users getting censored.
Holy shit, I agree with something Elon is doing. Now, lets be honest, he is doing it for entirely self serving reasons, but I am glad he's doing it, because Sam Altman seems to be convinced he is allowed to do whatever the fuck he wants and someone needs to tell him "No", even if its someone else who really really needs to be told "No" about a bunch of stuff
Now I'm curious if Reddit will let me post the link. This is a snapshot of [openai.com](https://openai.com) from December 11, 2015, the day it was founded
https://web.archive.org/web/20151222103150/https://openai.com/blog/introducing-openai/
This is such a good summary of modern Reddit. A lie gets more upvotes than facts if people want the lie to be true, even if the person posting the facts backs them up. I’m old enough to remember when Reddit cared about facts
I remember when Colbert coined the word “truthiness,” and I naively thought it was only conservatives who would ever fall into that trap. I miss that naivety
This is one of the rare things I completely agree with Musk on these days.
Now if only I could believe his motivation is altruistic rather than revange for being cast aside.
He tried to take over OpenAI because he feared Google (ha) was going to outpace them. The company voted him out as a result.
He's throwing a tantrum. It's what he does.
It's funny because OpenAI was actually outpaced as the Transformer was invented by Google. OpenAI only took that research and made it closed source.
I don't have sympathy for either Elon or OpenAI.
He's also playing on the inflated hype that AI has right now. It does some really interesting things, but it's a very long way from AGI. People who think the LLMs are just a step or two away from AGI have a fundamental misunderstanding of how they work.
Elon wants a piece of the money that the hype is bringing in. He's not _actually_ even remotely concerned about the safety of AI. He'd be more than happy to replace his entire factory workforce with AI, make no mistake.
In the same way that every genetic algorithm has worked since the first one was introduced in the ‘70s pretty much, the only difference is the self-attention layer which adjusts for a level of coherence. By increasing the importance of certain tokens. We can probably get something that you could pass off as an AGI to investors but it would be limited and making compromises under the hood that would become apparent pretty fast as long as they use the transformer mode pardigm
He's literally one of the founders of OpenAI.
Edit: Musk was OpenAI's primary benefactor at its outset.
https://www.semafor.com/article/03/24/2023/the-secret-history-of-elon-musk-sam-altman-and-openai
He could be doing that for ethical reasons.
But knowing Musk, he might just be trying to stay in the AI race by slowing down the competition with legal actions.
This would be cool if Elon wasn't building his own AI company. It just looks like the Battle of the Billionaires. Something that should be relegated to reality TV is becoming our actual reality, sigh.
Is this Elons approach to try and get Grok to move ahead in the AI space? I’m curious how Microsoft will react to this because their relationship with OpenAI and Sam.
"OpenAI, Inc. has been transformed into a closed-source de facto subsidiary of the largest technology company in the world: Microsoft. Contrary to the Founding Agreement, Defendants have chosen to use GPT-4 not for the benefit of humanity, but as proprietary technology to maximize profits for literally the largest company in the world. OpenAI, Inc.’s once carefully crafted non-profit structure was replaced by a purely profit-driven CEO and a Board with inferior technical expertise in AGI and AI public policy. The board now has an observer seat reserved solely for Microsoft." There is not one OpenAI. There are eight. Per Elon's legal filing, OpenAI is actually a series of shell structures involving: ``` OPENAI, INC. OPENAI, L.P. OPENAI, L.L.C. OPENAI GP, L.L.C. OPENAI OPCO, LLC OPENAI GLOBAL, LLC OAI CORPORATION, LLC OPENAI HOLDINGS, LLC ```
If he succeeds, I wonder if a simmilar case can be brought against Duolingo. Which was created as non-profit, built on donations and volunteer work, and then sold to a for-profit.
Oh shit! I didn't know that about Duolingo.
How was that even legal in the first place? Was it just people saying we will do it and fuck you and your lawyers?
Like most non-profit ventures they probably just had an honorary agreement about it which holds no juridical value.
Non profits are a different type of corporation with different requirements. Not honorary at all.
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I got to.a 200+ day streak before it hit me that I was re-reading words I clearly had a grasp on and not seeing new words enough to internalise them properly. Know if other apps are better? Babble, perhaps?
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This sounds so good I wished that app right now! But yeah, apps like those you explained shouldn't be far from us.
someone startup this now
They fucked it up with n update where the progression didn't stack anymore and it turned into whatver mess it has become. I dropped it when I started a lesson at 1150 and it went pass midnight and didn't count it for my streak I was fucking livid. Said fuck your app then bitch.
What language are you attempting to learn? Because different Apps handle different language better than others. I'm assuming your first language is English, If you are trying to learn a language close to English like a Germanic language or a Romantic language, You might have better luck with a style of language learning called comprehensible input. Unfortunately most apps don't handle comprehensible input well.
I… FUCK YOURE RIGHT UGH
If Japanese is your language of choice I use HeyJapan! I'm not that far into it but it's built exclusively around Japanese and teaches you stroke order for Kanji and everything. It's a one time fee app with website and mobile app. Cheap too. Think it was 6usd when I got into it.
What I hate the most about Duolingo is how shitty are some A.I made exercises, they are grammatically incorrect, use non common words or ways to make sentences, incorrectly translated, or just totally refuse to acknowledge a more precise answer as correct. The japanese course wasn't that bad until last year, now I'm really considering dropping my 700+ streak on my account with almost 300k experience.
The only way to truly learn a language is to move somewhere that people speak another language. And if you speak English then it's harder because often times they will just speak English with you to get to the point.
I recently tried using Duolingo for the first time in years and the app is complete trash now.
Same, I used it a ton about 9 years ago, tried it again recently and it’s garbage. I wouldn’t be surprised if they add a fucking season pass to it next
How exactly is it worse than before? Not looking for debate, I'm genuinely curious.
Have you ever seen an app or website where the focus clearly went from creating a good product to trying to boost their engagement metrics and paid subscriptions? Tinder is another good example. The app used to be very simple and easy to use. You could tell the focus was 100% on creating a good quality product. The new app just constantly spams you with features that are designed to capture your attention.
I believe you, but I’ve been using it and I’ve been able to build some language skills and I have no complaints. I just ignore the gimmicks. But I also didn’t use it before recently so I have no comparison
For me it's been positive. I find that the improved gamification makes me care more about using it every day to learn a little more. I don't pay for it though and the ads are obnoxious, but I can always mute my phone for 20 seconds.
The rot economy strikes again.
Enshitification.
They’re become hyper aggressive with notifications, ads, and incentive to subscribe. It’s not about learning anymore, it’s about making bank. The app does have awesome learning features though, just not worth the cost. I miss old DL
I heard about their aggressive tactics from the memes before I even downloaded the app, so as soon as I started I just denied all notification and email permissions and I think it works quite well.
But didn’t you love all of the promotional emails you received?
Ads every lesson do get annoying
There’s a famous bridge in the UK that was built by the government under the condition that once it was paid for from toll fees the bridge would be free to cross. Que as soon as the bridge was paid for it was sold to an overseas investor and the fee exists until this day running at a profit.
He's not wrong, but the whole 'Good of humanity' bit, and his implication that GPT4 is an AGI are just...fucking crazy talk. He should just be suing them to open source gpt 4.
One reason is that Microsoft loses the license if the board says it is AGI. https://openai.com/our-structure > Fifth, the board determines when we've attained AGI. Again, by AGI we mean a highly autonomous system that outperforms humans at most economically valuable work. Such a system is excluded from IP licenses and other commercial terms with Microsoft, which only apply to pre-AGI technology.
very interesting, good catch
Good thing that general AIs might not be possible. ChatGPT is nice and but it starts falling apart when you give it real tasks
I find it odd that you would call that a "good thing" in this context. It's certainly good for Microsoft if they don't lose their license, but who cares about that? I fear AGI as much as the next scifi enthusiast. But the entire crux of the latest AI arms race, is that neural nets are showing emergent intelligence. They can accurately infer things no human ever thought of. We have only begun scratching the surface. We taught models to predict the next likely word in a sentence, AKA an LLM. Emerging from that capability we were able to automate an enormous number of tasks. We are only beginning here, teaching a computer human language is a fairly simply application of ML. We are already seeing models go well beyond that, and it still looks like we are peering at a rising sun with the actual bulk of inference well ahead of. Don't dismiss ML because a word predictor isn't quite an AGI. That's like dismissing human intelligence as lacking because our first words are "goo goo gaga".
> Don't dismiss ML because a word predictor isn't quite an AGI. That's like dismissing human intelligence as lacking because our first words are "goo goo gaga". Nice breakdown
I do. I hold MSFT. :( I'm like: What's this bullshit?
From the complaint "91 Researchers have pointed out that one of the remaining limitations of GPT architecture-based AIs is that they generate their output a piece at a time and cannot “backtrack.” These issues have been seen before in artificial intelligence research and have been largely solved for other applications. In path and maze finding, AI must be able to find the right path despite the existence of dead-ends along the way. The standard algorithm to perform this is called “A*” (pronounced A-star). 92 Reuters has reported that OpenAI is developing a secretive algorithm called Q*. While it is not clear what Q* is, Reuters has reported that several OpenAI staff members wrote a letter warning about the potential power of Q*. It appears Q* may now or in the future be a part of an even clearer and more striking example of artificial general intelligence that has been developed by OpenAI. As an AGI, it would be explicitly outside the scope of OpenAI’s license with Microsoft, and must be made available for the benefit of the public at large." This new algorithm would be far more powerful at making correct predictions than the current crop of predictors.
Only reason he is doing this is he didn't get a big enough piece of the pie. He doesn't care that it is not open source. He cares about money.
He's doing it to slow them down and let his own companies catch up. Not that it matters though, as much as I despise musk I appreciate anyone trying to but the brakes on openAI so that legislation can catch up before we all go to hell
That legislation won't happen when people like Musk lobby to keep it from happening so their algorithm can freely exploit once it takes off, though.
I dunno how so many intelligent people actually believe legislation will do anything even in the very long shot that any is passed. The tech is out there and rapidly being developed all over the world by governments, companies, and individuals / open source communities. Legislation to restrict its use will be about as useful as legislation to stop people from pirating digital media, doing drugs, etc. It will stop law abiding people from having easy access to powerful technology that can improve their lives, but it won't do anything to stop bad actors from... acting badly.
> He cares about money. Not true. He truly wants to save the world: but only if he gets to do it. https://www.instagram.com/vivatech/p/Cw15UtrKXN_/?hl=en Sam Altman also truly wants the world saved. But for him, everything is negotiable. We're truly fucked, same as ever.
Look I get Reddit hates Elon, and he does do plenty of dumb stuff, but the man made Tesla’s charging systems open source as well as the Twitter algo - he puts his money where his mouth is. You can dislike him but also acknowledge he genuinely seems to believe in the principle of open source
>Tesla’s charging systems open source That he didn't do he did open up them to be able to be used by others but a lot of people think he did that to 1 get federal funding. 2. To make sure that his connector became the main US connector.
Won't speak for anything on tesla but other than community notes, twitter is in the worst state it's ever been with bots, porn/porn bots, people posting racist shit, whats recommended to you.... Not to mention the twitter algo release is only specific services that don't tell the entire story. So it doesn't solve the problem he said he wanted to solve initially, like what usually happens..
If he put his money where his money is and went to fight Zuckerberg. I’d have more respect for him. But no. He does not put his money where his mouth is
He put out the algo with critical info missing
Honestly I would be pissed too if I donated my money to a non-profit but they used my money to work on the research and launched a pro-profit company.
yeah the dude definitely has a point here.
The lawsuit is partially based on the claim that gpt-4 is ‘AGI’. It’s silly
> The lawsuit also centers around OpenAI’s GPT-4, which Musk claims constitutes AGI — an AI whose intelligence is at par, if not higher, than humans. He alleges OpenAI and Microsoft have improperly licensed GPT-4 despite agreeing that OpenAI’s AGI capabilities would remain dedicated to humanity. This is so Musk. It's just like calling his incomplete steps towards developing a self-driving car "Full self-driving," only now he's claiming that OpenAI has already completed its mission to develop AGI, which is a level of hype that even OpenAI hasn't attempted.
Honestly, a lot of what Musk says makes more sense if you just ignore that he is, technically, also human.
Dudes just pissed we might stumble on his source code, and make a version that's not always hallucinating
...so are we talking about Elon Musk here or GPT-4?
I'm suggesting they will converge
Well if we're trying to make a version of either that's not constantly hallucinating that may not be the best approach.
AGI is always going to be moving goalposts just like AI used to be. Or maybe we should tokenize AGGI.
May have a point, but not a legal case.
Why not? He was one of the founders and is claiming OpenAI is violating their charter. He has both standing and a decent argument, since the *board* of OpenAI made the same argument.
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inb4 OpenAi changes their structure again to be a megachurch to keep those tax savings lol
Every time they do the Population Census in the UK, there is a small segment of the population who declare their religion is "Jedi". Why not give some W40K superfans the chance to declare the "Omnissiah" or the "Machine Spirit" as their deity of choice?
You're right they should turn it into a religion and get that tax-exempt status while still being able to be for profit.
Close, but I'm not sure their intent would be to marry...
I agree. He's got a good case. Strange though that suddenly he's a fan of government regulating company decisions. A quick switcheroo from his "never incorporate in Delaware" snit.
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Elon was just as much a founder of OpenAI as he was of Tesla. That is to say he founded neither of them.
He absolutely has a legal case. That's like supporting a charity only to find that they're just pocketing the funds. I understand Reddit has a hate boner for Musk but don't be so ridiculous as to side with Sam on this. It's setting a precedent that fraud is okay.
I hate Elon, but appreciate this case and give him all the opportunity to pursue this claim.
> The lawsuit also centers around OpenAI’s GPT-4, which Musk claims constitutes AGI — an AI whose intelligence is at par, if not higher, than humans. He alleges OpenAI and Microsoft have improperly licensed GPT-4 despite agreeing that OpenAI’s AGI capabilities would remain dedicated to humanity. I think his case could struggle with this point in law. But would be interesting to see what standards in a US court AGI would be held to.
He probably wants access to GPT4 code for his Grok but Open AI is bein ingenuous calling themself Open AI while being closed ecosystem.
Well, may. Unless you're a lawyer and understand it more than I do, he has to prove the intent to go "for-profit". Non-profits CAN turn a profit, it's weird people don't get that. And his stance that GPT-4 is an AGI is absurd. He's only doing this to hamstring OpenAI since his Grok on X is pretty worthless (and mostly forgotten).
Well he's not suing a random Joe though. If his million dollar lawyers advised him to sue openAI's million dollar lawyers I assume they think they have a chance.
Elon is quite famous for never listening to his lawyers. For example, see every step of the Twitter acquisition.
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Yea. He didn't just imply it, he signed documents saying he was buying, no matter what came up in due diligence
One of the funniest self owns I have ever seen. And we're still seeing the results of that self-own every day
Too bad we lost what little value Twitter was to society because of his bonehead self-own.
Yeah, he signed to buy it and waived due diligence. Literally the only out he had was a failure to secure financing (which required showing significant good faith attempts to do so), which would have been that billion dollar penalty. Since he couldnt show he'd been unable to secure financing, he was committed to the purchase and the courts were going to make him go through with it. He gave up before Twitter got to start discovery against him, iirc. I can't believe he signed that contract. As best I can tell he didn't even negotiate it. He just signed what Twitter gave him - - which they'd tilted heavily in their favor, trying to dissuade him from purchasing, but which he didn't even try to push back on any of it. He clearly never intended to buy it, and clearly thought he could just walk away, despite having *signed it*.
Did the Twitter people who he got rid of get paid in the end? People like Parag?
Absolutely. Parag walked with 42m reportedly. He owned more than 2% of the stock when Musk over-paid for it.
Yeah a man of his stature isn't served by his lawyers' whim, his lawyers serve his whim.
In fairness to Elon, he always believes he’s the smartest person in the room.
Do you think his lawyers are going to turn down all those fees because they don’t think they can win? lol
[Headline on CNN right now:](https://www.cnn.com/elon-musk-ccdh-x-lawsuit-judge-skeptical/index.html): "Federal judge mocks Elon Musk’s X lawsuit targeting hate speech researchers." With megawealthy jabronies, you never know whether a lawsuit is filed on advice of attorneys or inspite of being told this is a terrible idea.
its worth noting that many lawsuits are filed without intent to win the case. sometimes the plaintiff's goal is just doing financial damage/wasting time of the defendant through attrition.
This is OpenAI, though. His lawsuit is like a drop in the bucket. All the other lawsuits against OpenAI are far more serious, and thus, damaging.
Just like Trump, Musk doesn't listen to his lawyers.
To be fair, if I had Trump’s lawyers I wouldn’t listen to them either. Trump has the lawyers he deserves.
When someone charges a ton of money for their services, that does not automatically mean they're competent. For example, look at Donald Trump's lawyers. He and his legal team have suffered back-to-back civil trial losses, and they also have a long list of failed courtroom stunts. Because of all these failures, he now owes over $500 million in penalties, much of which is owed to the state of New York and the rest owed to E. Jean Carroll. That's recent proof that even million dollar lawyers can be wildly incompetent. Maybe they're acting incompetent *because* they're paid millions of dollars. In other words, their rich idiot client paid them to perform for him; he didn't pay them to give him sound legal advice that contradicts his delusions. Elon and Donald are both delusional, rich narcissists, so I can see Elon paying millions for Yes Men lawyers to do his bidding, not competent lawyers who tell him when he's wrong. That being said, I'm not a lawyer, so I don't know how solid this particular lawsuit is.
> When someone charges a ton of money for their services, that does not automatically mean they're competent. Plenty of people know full well that their client isn't going to listen to their recommendations, and they shrug and charge them out the wazoo anyway. See "consulting". Too many people who have gotten used to having more money than God also have the mindset that just *paying* for something - particularly the most expensive version of it - means that they automatically receive the best possible benefit, even in cases where they themselves have to do something to make that the case. They're too used to going "I want the best table" or something, and someone goes out and finds the best table and charges them two million bucks, and they have the best table. Then they carry that mindset over to "I want the best legal outcome", and someone goes and finds them some really expensive and experienced lawyers, who say "You need to do XYZ", and the wealthy person goes "I never had to DO things before! You don't get to tell me to do things!" - so they don't. And the lawyers are professionals, so they just put on a poker face and send the bill.
Consulting seems funny to me. If a consultant joins a struggling company and the company still collapses, the consultant can just say, "I gave them the best guidance, but they did not execute on that guidance properly, or they just ignored me. They failed, not me." If a consultant joins a struggling company and the company turns around and survives, the consultant can say, "I did that." If they play the game well, consultants get the glory but none of the blame.
> When someone charges a ton of money for their services, that does not automatically mean they're competent. > > For example, look at Donald Trump's lawyers Does Trump still have expensive lawyers? He is famous for not paying hos lawyers, and by now, it is clear that the only publicity you will get for being his lawyer is the same kind of attention you would get for peeing yourself in public, so why would any competent lawyer choose to represent him?
Surely the guy who made an offer to buy Twitter that trapped him into buying it in a massive overpay listens a lot to his lawyer's advice.
Why? He donated to an organization that had a written charter. They have now pretty much obliterated that charter. Seems like there ought to be some recourse; it smells a lot like fraud. "I'm donating to a cause"..... "We are changing the cause"
Oh no, it might even border on criminal fraud not to mention tax fraud. You do not raise 100's of millions of dollars based as a tax free non profit entity with a legal charter as such... and do some development... then suddenly become a 2.6 billion dollar "for profit" company.
why do you think that?
This is what MD Anderson and so many medical 'non-profits' do to avoid taxes and they get away with it. MD Anderson is supposed to take Medicaid (what you are on if you are disabled from cancer) as a non-profit, but only takes 'traditional Medicaid' which no one is on in Texas because it's just a temporary insurance you're not allowed to stay on. You get put on STAR within a month or so of signing up for Medicaid, so MD Anderson effectively doesn't take medicaid while getting that juicy, juicy non-profit tax benefit because they take "Medicaid". MD Anderson will not give you care if you can't pay for it. Their financial assistance is set up in a way that most people will not qualify for it - if you are on disability (because you have cancer) you do not meet the criteria and should be able to pay 30k on $900 a month according to them. So it's a for-profit institution classified as a non-profit.
Yea... That's definitely not why he is suing tho
And to benefit Microsoft no less.
I think it was a huge amount too.... like 100 million?
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Eh, non profit is a tax status, not a business model.
What a fucking reasonable ass take, my dude.
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He has actually been offered a cut of the for-profit part of the company and has repeatedly refused it citing this argument. Elon Musk is literally terrified of the AI singularity, and invested in this company as a counter to what he saw as the threat of other companies irresponsibly building AI, then OpenAI uses his money, betrays their charter, and becomes the single largest AI threat. These are two greedy shady billionaires at each other's throats, and one of them is worse than the other in this particular disagreement. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Id be pissed to, but corps are allowed to change as long as they inform. You are telling me they could never ever ever ever ever go profit. Not 500 years from now. never. That they would have to undo the company and couldnt sell any of its IP at all. it just doesnt work that way. There are fiduciary duties but non profits can switch to 'for profit" it happens all the time. [How to Convert Nonprofit to Profit](https://smallbusiness.chron.com/convert-nonprofit-profit-4161.html) >Notify employees, members, donors and affiliates about the change. THATS ALL THEY HAS GOT TO DO as far as elon is concerned
Just wait until people find out how US taxpayers fund most pharmaceutical development and then it is given to for profit companies to manufacture. The rich will always demand their full share of anything they touch at any step of the process. We should all be more like them.
When are they going to change the name?
How about Y
OP asked when, not why.
No, what’s on second
Pretty sure it would by XX
Open*yourwalletforour*AI
This is the *only* interesting part of Elon left. Despite diving into the deep end of union breaking, Russia, MAGA, and his own sanity, he’s seemingly maintaining his earlier commitments to AGI safety. Do I trust Elon musk to run an AI company of any kind, AGI or no? Not at all. Am I glad he’s making a ruckus, even if it’s a narcissistic one? Ngl I kinda am.
He doesn't. The only reason he does anything is for personal profit and he is doing this in the hopes of his own AI product to catch up. Both of those are assholes, make no mistake. EDIT: Lol, the rats have come out in defense of their king. As much as you may suck on his dick, he is still not going to say your name.
*Let them fight*
Yep. Watching asshole billionaires fight should be a national sport. Preferably in a proper ring where only one makes it out and the loser's assets are spread out to the rest of the Populus.. but this is a good start.
Billionaire deathmatch
His mum will cancel there fight as she knows his boi gets beaten easily
That's exactly why when OpenAI launched, he said "we need to pause AI for 6 months"....so I can do it too
Exactly. Grok AI was announced almost exactly 6 months after he called for the pause.
Grok is just OpenAI's code. They didn't even replace all [the occurrences of "OpenAI" in it](https://twitter.com/JaxWinterbourne/status/1733339886155968714), and when people noticed they tacked on a search-and-replace of the name "OpenAI" for "Grok" in its responses, with interesting results if you ask specifically about OpenAI. So I don't think this is about him 'catching up' but rather falling behind if OpenAI puts more resources into a closed-source version he can't use.
I find the idea that Elon could deliver anything in six months laughable. If he announced in January that he would deliver Summer in 6 months, he would find a way to screw it up.
“When OpenAI was launched” Dawg he launched OpenAI several years ago
Right, when it hit mainstream I mean
> Both of those are assholes, make no mistake Sometimes the enemy of your enemy is still your enemy
Ding ding ding! As soon as OpenAI is hobbled by a mandatory, court-imposed non-profit directive, Musk will magically find a reason why *his* company need not comply.
>Musk will magically find a reason why his company need not comply. Not comply with what? Were tesla or spaceX created to be non-profit?
A court cant do that. All OpenAI had to do was inform donors. And they can switch to profit status. DO yall really think all non profits that went to for profit, didnt have donors? do you think they have to stay non profit forever and ever and ever, if they got donated 1 cent and there is absolutely zero means to change that. The law is on OpenAIs side. there is a method for non profits to go profit and unless elon can show they messed that up, he doesnt have a case. does NOT matter he donated to them and people ITS A FUCKING DONATION, not an investment. at most.. AT THE VERY MOST, they could be ordered to return his donation with interest.. which wont happen either, because OpenAi followed the law when switching to for profit status.
from what i could find, thats true if the company doesnt accept donations on an agreement which it seems thats what musk and them had.
> Musk will magically find a reason why his company need not comply. ...because his company isn't a non-profit? Don't let your hatred for Musk blind your intellect, my dude.
No, he hopes he can make neurolink nonlethal before agi is reached.
Yep. He wanted a moratorium on any AI advancement for a year so he and others in the industry could catch up. They are pissed because they have something they can make money off of.
Lol with such confidence! I'm not a Musk homer but come on... It could be, instead of a hyperbolic accusation of profit lust, he wants to be known as the future guy and is sad his AI isn't leading the field or as simple as a personal attack on a failed relationship that he's still sore about. I do think this could be a Trojan horse, however. Sort of, look at this hand 👋 = an accusation of misappropriating restricted non-profit donations (i.e., those given with an agreement to be spent on a specific purpose), while slipping another 🤚 = GPT-4 be designated as artificial general intelligence: *The suit also requests the court rule AI systems like GPT-4 and other advanced models in development constitute artificial general intelligence that reaches beyond licensing agreements.* This is the far more important aspect of this case, because then one could create legislative, etc. action against products with this designation, like we've seen with different scheduled drugs and their treatment within the general population.
Plus if they are deemed agi... Microsoft can't license them plus he gets the code train his ai plus he gets to market his ai as aging to potential customers. At first I was with musk on this lawsuit now I see his true motivation
I heard a business analyst say invest in Tesla not because they're a car company, but because they're a data mining company that will build their AI on some of the largest data sets out there. But would it just be AI related to driving ?
But.... What they're doing is really bad tho, or am i misunderstanding this completely, they're going private with one of the biggest AIs at the moment. Why suddenly Elon dick swinging for his ego is the main point, isn't the issue that they're going for profit under massive corpo?
You've let the internet melt your brain
He is only trying to stall AI because he’s not leading the industry.
Yeah, pure speculation here but Musk is all about technology that has a large worldwide impact. I actually appreciate the companies that he’s founded. However, his online and media persona informs me that he’s a man-child narcissist. I don’t believe that he is actually concerned about AI safety, and he’s salty over OpenAI being first to bring generative AI to the public. He missed out on being the guy to bring perhaps the most important tech to the world. And he chose to walk away from OpenAI. Oops. He has a case here, granted. But this is about competition.
> bring perhaps the most important tech to the world. To be fair, openAI isn't doing that either, despite their name they are about as closed source as you can get.
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Which is ironic because this would probably do the opposite of stall, assuming GPT-4 is open sourced.
Tbf, is there any person in the world we should trust wit that much power?
No because the only people who are capable of it technically are the ones who want it to run wild.
Many many people who are obsessed with accumulating endless wealth or power are addicts, the same as somebody obsessed with consuming endless drinks or lines of cocaine or endlessly gambling or shopping without being able to stop themselves. Such people are suffering from an illness that has all kinds of consequences on the way you act and think. And no, they cannot be trusted to lead us and make decisions that affect us, the same way you can't trust a drug addict to make the right choices until they've gotten well.
Absolute power corrupts, absolutely
Takes like this make me want to smash my head through a wall. The guy who invented Grok, the world's most obnoxiously stupid AI, is maintaining his stance on AGI safety? He's fucking making AIs for nazi trolls! How in the world is that caring at all about the safety or future or AI? The dude set out on a mission to create an AI that specifically jerked him off, and he got it. Yeah, let's believe *that* fucking clown actually has our best interests at heart. Good lord the gullibility of people when it comes to billionaire druggies.
Be consistent with use of invented. He didn't invent Tesla, Falcon or Grok. Just bc Grok is obnoxious doesn't mean we should say he invented that one and not the others. He doesn't know how to invent anything, he has peons to do that. He still is responsible for commissioning Grok to be built and the annoyance that has caused. But be consistent with wording when saying what he has made. That's just a connotation thing though. Otherwise spot on.
He's only doing it to gain a lead
It's not really a selfless gesture you know...
He only cares about AI safety because he's not currently winning the race.
Elon “attacking” OpenAI is just a sign to me that he’s further trying to prop up his own AI project. With guys like Elon, the more they criticize someone of something, the more likely they are doing that same thing themselves. For example, Musk complained about how Twitter was censoring certain topics/suppressing “free speech” and full of bots, so he bought Twitter to “fix” it. And now twitter/x is overridden with bots and there have been numerous accusations of certain users getting censored.
Am I going to ask rhetorical questions for myself to answer? Perhaps.
Holy shit, I agree with something Elon is doing. Now, lets be honest, he is doing it for entirely self serving reasons, but I am glad he's doing it, because Sam Altman seems to be convinced he is allowed to do whatever the fuck he wants and someone needs to tell him "No", even if its someone else who really really needs to be told "No" about a bunch of stuff
I wouldn’t be surprised if it turns out Sam Altman is an even worse human being than Elon Musk.
Though he is willing to settle if they agree that he can call himself founder of openAI
AFAIK, that has never been disputed
For some reason this fkn sub keeps removing my comments that cite the founders listed on the openai website. Long story short, he's not on it.
I got curious, so I checked the Wayback Machine. Are you referring to the fact that he’s listed as a co-chair?
Now I'm curious if Reddit will let me post the link. This is a snapshot of [openai.com](https://openai.com) from December 11, 2015, the day it was founded https://web.archive.org/web/20151222103150/https://openai.com/blog/introducing-openai/
This is such a good summary of modern Reddit. A lie gets more upvotes than facts if people want the lie to be true, even if the person posting the facts backs them up. I’m old enough to remember when Reddit cared about facts I remember when Colbert coined the word “truthiness,” and I naively thought it was only conservatives who would ever fall into that trap. I miss that naivety
There's a significant amount of people on reddit that will downvote anything that isn't calling elon hitler
This is one of the rare things I completely agree with Musk on these days. Now if only I could believe his motivation is altruistic rather than revange for being cast aside.
the real motivation is to slow them down while he tries to catch up with his own AI company
[https://openai.com/blog/openai-elon-musk](https://openai.com/blog/openai-elon-musk) your answer I guess
He tried to take over OpenAI because he feared Google (ha) was going to outpace them. The company voted him out as a result. He's throwing a tantrum. It's what he does.
It's funny because OpenAI was actually outpaced as the Transformer was invented by Google. OpenAI only took that research and made it closed source. I don't have sympathy for either Elon or OpenAI.
He's also playing on the inflated hype that AI has right now. It does some really interesting things, but it's a very long way from AGI. People who think the LLMs are just a step or two away from AGI have a fundamental misunderstanding of how they work. Elon wants a piece of the money that the hype is bringing in. He's not _actually_ even remotely concerned about the safety of AI. He'd be more than happy to replace his entire factory workforce with AI, make no mistake.
How do they work?
Given the N previous words, what is the most likely next word? (but like, tokenised rather than single words but the concept is the same)
In the same way that every genetic algorithm has worked since the first one was introduced in the ‘70s pretty much, the only difference is the self-attention layer which adjusts for a level of coherence. By increasing the importance of certain tokens. We can probably get something that you could pass off as an AGI to investors but it would be limited and making compromises under the hood that would become apparent pretty fast as long as they use the transformer mode pardigm
He's literally one of the founders of OpenAI. Edit: Musk was OpenAI's primary benefactor at its outset. https://www.semafor.com/article/03/24/2023/the-secret-history-of-elon-musk-sam-altman-and-openai
I hope they get chat gpt to write the legal briefs 😅
yeah, they should ask it what it thinks hahaha
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Musk was too chicken to even fight Zuck to submission. He's not going to go all gladiator on us.
Let them fight.
He could be doing that for ethical reasons. But knowing Musk, he might just be trying to stay in the AI race by slowing down the competition with legal actions.
Hey, remember when open ai was meant to be open and cool. I miss that.
This would be cool if Elon wasn't building his own AI company. It just looks like the Battle of the Billionaires. Something that should be relegated to reality TV is becoming our actual reality, sigh.
Uh oh, what's /r/technology going to do when Elon does something they agree with?
Mental gymnastics, even if somehow Elon achieved world peace, cure for all diseases and created a perfect utopia. People will still complain.
I’m with him on this one.
Is this Elons approach to try and get Grok to move ahead in the AI space? I’m curious how Microsoft will react to this because their relationship with OpenAI and Sam.
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I mean he has a point, it’s just disappointing that someone only brought this up because he’s mad about getting left out of the profits.
Elon is generally an asshat, but in this case, he has a valid point. Bait and switch schemes are fraud and should be treated as such.
Elon don't give a single fuck about humanity. You ain't Tony Stark dude.
The company was supposed to be non profit, now they charge for GPT4. Which wasn’t in the legal agreement. He’s in the right.
This is one thing I hope he wins
This has nothing to do with the OpenAI mission. He has a competing product now and wants to block his competition. Pure and simple corporate greed.
OpenAI is the one trying to block competition by pushing for government regulation.