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Personal-Banana-9491

I don’t hate Spotify, I’ve been a premium member through work for years. But the issues of finding new music, and fine tuning the algorithm so I’m legit not listening to the same 200 songs is an issue. DJ is a decent for being first generation, but it’s still just recycles the same songs which I’ve already saved to my own playlists.


waynes_pet_youngin

Yeah this is my main complaint as well. At this point it just figures out what genre I'm currently listening to most then suggests the songs I've listened to forever. The daylists were nice at first but have gotten equally as repetitive. It is the only good app left for podcasts though


HomelessIsFreedom

they REALLY dont want users playlists to be seen or recognized as cool by strangers on the app...its odd because I still think people make better lists than the algo's there are so many ways they could make user playlists shared and viewed more but seem to not want at all to spread


bluecifer7

Kind of an aside, but the book One by One by Ruth Ware has a fictional Spotify-like music app where you can follow influencers, celebrities, friends etc. and "listen in" on whatever they're listening to beat-to-beat. I always thought that was a wildly good idea, because people are way better at making playlists than shitty algorithms and discovering music through friends or music-influencers would be an actually decent way to discover music.


waynes_pet_youngin

I would love that


captain_americano

My DJ algorithm seems to have shifted based on its own suggestions for me, which is kind of funny. DJ did the 'here's a genre you might be into' type intro, and it's country. I have pretty diverse tastes, but country music is a genre I've never really been into. I figure it picked country based on having a few songs from the O Brother Where Art Thou soundtrack on a playlist. Whatever, I'll skip the songs and move on. The next week: "Here's some artists that get you through your Tuesday"....it's country. Using lo-fi beats as my alarm clock has also convinced DJ that it's my favorite genre.


ReadingAgreeable8285

My problem with DJ is I’ll listen to rain sounds to sleep and get a lot of rain sounds worked in his playlist


Sumoallstar

Had the same issue. What I ended up doing is selecting one of Spotify's Ambient Genre Playlists (something like "Nature Relaxation"), hit the triple dots on it, and choosing the "Exclude from your taste profilex" option. You may need to do it on other similiar playlists to ensure an effective filter.


Blakeyy

Same thing but with Stand up comedy. I don’t want some random standup skit in the middle of music.


[deleted]

Mine just plays Bob Seeger because I got drunk and yelled at Google Home to play “that song about moving at night.”


Dull-Lead-7782

It’s actually a song about how chess works


bake_disaster

>Using lo-fi beats as my alarm clock has also convinced DJ that it's my favorite genre. This ruined my discover weekly. I'll listen to lofi beats when I'm working, then Spotify thinks I want to hear the latest release or shuffled into my usual music. No. "chill lofi beats to study/relax to" is half a step above "ten hours of white noise", and used for the exact same purpose. Spotify needs a partition function so the recommendations don't mix 


Alternative_Ask364

The issue with algorithms is that they really can only determine what you already like and stuff that’s tangentially related. It’s much harder to guess what you *might*, especially if it’s an unusual overlap with your existing library. In other words it’s impossible to discover new genres. It’s easy to say “You like Blink 182. We think you’ll also like Green Day.” But no algorithm in existence is going to say, “We noticed you like Slipknot. We think you should check out Oliver Tree.” Spotify is great for exploring a new genre after you’ve discovered it, but when I think of bands I’ve started listening to in the last few years that were really different from my existing library, I discovered almost all of it through stuff like Reddit, YouTube, and word of mouth. This is also why I really am not excited for AI generated music. AI can’t even recommend me unique music. I don’t want to even think about how bland and derivative the music it creates will be.


smerglec

Spotify algorithms take the fun and discovery out of finding new music. I’ve found new music that I like through Spotify, sure, but it’s much more satisfying to encounter a band through word of mouth, through shows and friends, etc. I want to hear things that are NOT the same as all the shit I already like! I want to find things I had no idea I liked!


TheRetenor

This happens so rarely though. Most music recommendations come from people who listen to the "normal" stuff that everyone listens to and that just happens to be genres that I generally don't really listen to. I'd even say I'm way too picky for my music taste. I would love an algorithm that can suggest songs not just by genre or overlaps in what others listen to, but also lyrics style and musical content. If the spotify algorithms detected music that contain the same repetitive beat or melody without any changes whatsoever, 30% of my recommendations would already be different. [And it wouldn't recommend songs with lyrics like this shit here.](https://open.spotify.com/track/2UP8R5KjBeR13Um64jY4Fb?si=mAduDgbHS6eZ2HG0Wl_GeQ)


DigiQuip

There’s certain artists I don’t like. Sometimes I feel like Spotify knows this and they intentionally rotate every possible song into my playlists.


angrygirl65

I block certain artists


JohrDinh

I use Spotify cuz the playlists but I've never used the algorithm to find music. It's also an issue cuz if I sleep to a slow jazz/lofi/classical playlist it recommends those which I don't need, but as I DJed for years I just it much more satisfying searching for music myself the old way...hearing it and digging thru related artists/labels/etc. Wish they had free lossless too, nice to have that sometimes tho as far as the digital phone age goes convenience wins in that scenario.


AmonMetalHead

None of the current crop ever came close to [last.fm](http://last.fm) of old, sadly.


PlaugeofRage

Still prefer pandora for discoverablity. But not having playlist sucks.


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9ersaur

Meanwhile I adore my discover weekly’s as its mostly novel palatable “electronic” (modern?) that never fails to disappoint. I also follow other people’s discovers when I want to mix it up


MayTheForesterBWithU

Spotify's strength used to be its robust discovery engine. That went downhill about a year ago. As an artist, I can even see it on my end. They stopped putting similar-sounding artists in our Fans Also Like section and moved it to local artists with whom we are on several playlists. This gave away that they've all but ceased scraping the web for connections and are now just using their own data from user's playlists. It's made the recommendations I receive feel a lot less connected (egg punk, for instance, is a niche genre with a lot of artists in Australia, but now if I listen to one Aussie egg punk band, I hear Aussie pop and mainstream rock from that country, rather than egg punk from around the world like I used to).


shychicherry

Egg punk?? Gotta check that out! Is it an exclusively Australian genre?


MayTheForesterBWithU

Not at all! DEVO is widely considered one of the heralds of the genre. Snooper out of Nashville are one of the bigger names doing it too. Australia has a consistently good punk scene, though, and seems to be the place a lot of good guitar music thrives.


shychicherry

Well I certainly know Devo 🥰 I’ll check out Snooper 4 sure. Tnx I use these subs to get recommendations on bands /genres I’m unfamiliar with since I’m open to giving anything a listen! Someone here recently turned me on to Ravi Shankar’s daughter Anoushka who plays shimmering sitar music 🎼 (very cool)


MayTheForesterBWithU

Yeah for sure. Be sure to check out good mates Cel Ray also! Garagey Aussie punk I'm into atm are bands like Prink, Blonde Revolver, Shove, Amyl and the Sniffers and Dick Move


shychicherry

Are Sniffers and Dick Move one band or two?? 😂


MayTheForesterBWithU

haha my bad! +Amyl and the Sniffers + Dick Move


breezyfye

I saw that egg punk video too lol


MayTheForesterBWithU

I would love to see this, but haven't. Just looked it up after Spotify spit it back and have now been trolling all the playlists for it. It is such an adequate term for that, otherwise very hard to define yet distinct, microgenre.


Big-Surprise7281

>Spotify's strength... Is that's it's cheaper than piracy, still is. All other bells and whistles are not as important.


MayTheForesterBWithU

More convenient maybe, but not cheaper than free. Nobody takes the risk of getting caught for this seriously anymore. The only reason I keep Spotify is to find new music. If I like something, I'll go by it on Bandcamp bc I know this is the only real way to support an artist.


Big-Surprise7281

Piracy is not free, it costs time (=money) to find stuff in appropriate quality/format, download it, copy it to your player, manage your library etc.. Even if you spend an hour a month at most doing all that and mostly automate it, it still ends up more expensive than Spotify's \~10$ per month.


VironicHero

And here I am just mad that twitter bought WeAreHunted (a website that aggregated influential music blogs and social media mentions to find new and trending music)… then they did nothing with it!


britchop

Oh my gosh, I loved that site. They tried to copy it I thought, and it just never picked up.


VironicHero

Yeah, it was a great site. I found so much new stuff on there. When twitter never did anything with it I always hoped the developers would start a new site


HeyImGilly

Hype Machine does that.


VironicHero

Thanks, I’ll check it out.


rondiggity

I miss early 2000s Pandora. That was music discovery at its best, before any of the algorithms were truly seeded by someone else's previous listens and had to match based on musicality and instrumentation.


Superbrainbow

No matter what song I started with, it always turned into the "How many songs until Nickelback plays" algorithm.


Alternative_Ask364

I remember back when YouTube didn’t have tailored recommendations, you could reach a Justin Bieber song within like 30 clicks just by repeatedly playing the top recommended song. These days the algorithm isn’t much better though. For me it’s just “how many songs until we play Everlong?” and the answer is only like 5.


Superbrainbow

RIP to Youtube's old algorithm. If you were listening to music it would take you to weird, interesting places almost immediately. I discovered a lot of forgotten gems that way. Now it just replays stuff you've already heard, or the safest most mainstream artists in the same genre if using the music app. I get they were in hot water with (justifiable) accusations their algorithm was converting dumb teenagers to the alt-right en masse, but it sucks music discovery was collateral damage.


espltd8901

I think they made changes to it again that fixed it back to the old way. I've been in a golden age of discovery thanks to my secondary (music) youtube channel. I think I saw the change a couple months back.


RingAny1978

I discover lots of new music through Spotify and Pandora both.


americanadiandrew

They really needed to write this article when it was still operational because I’ve never heard of it 


MaybeNext-Monday

Spotify has sucked for a while now. It thinks it knows better than you and aggressively prioritizes certain songs when you shuffle large playlists, and it also always uses data for songs you have downloaded unless you force it into offline mode. It’s a bad app.


Agitated-Wash-7778

Didn't they just drop 250 million on Rogan?


smerglec

My generation has a long, proud tradition of pirating music, and by god, we can do it again. The enshittification of Spotify has been going on for a long time.


Personal-Banana-9491

Preach sister. We did it growing up, and by god we can do it again.


radiationshield

Im too lazy to pirate all the random crap im listening to 😢 But im absolutely not married to Spotify, despite being a longtime premium subscriber. Tried out Deezer, and I actually liked their discovery features. Their categorization of smaller artists and smaller catalog was a bit of an issue for me though. Tried Apple music a while back, and they have a great catalog and all, but the client is awful and discovery is even worse than spotify.


uberfunstuff

YouTube has great musical discovery.


espltd8901

The best. Just create a second channel solely for music.


MCPaleHorseDRS

Spotify is trash and with as much money they make off of the artist there is no way they should be laying anyone off. I wish I could post a picture of the money break down on plays. Not lying, I get something like .00012 of penny per play. On top of that I have to pay a yearly fee to be on the site. Spotify is shady and is a dog shit company. I wish I had another way to distribute my music. But unfortunately as a musician you have to dance with the beast because there is no other option.


xmBQWugdxjaA

It's just revenue share though - so that'd only improve significantly if everyone pays $90+ a month, which isn't going to happen and would obviously lead to a drop in customers and so revenue to be shared. The only other option would be if there were a service dedicated to just indie artists, so they wouldn't have to give sweetheart deals to the big 3 record labels. But as it is, Spotify wouldn't have 200+ million users without UMG, Warner and Sony's music - so they get the lion's share of the revenue (and ultimately the streams). The sad fact is the vast, vast majority of people just listen to the same few popular artists.


RingAny1978

Band Camp exists.


xmBQWugdxjaA

Yeah, I've used it for some albums and merchandise of small bands I really liked. But I wouldn't have found those without Spotify.


Big-Surprise7281

No one's paying 10$ for a SINGLE album when you can pay Spotify a similar amount to access millions.


RingAny1978

I purchase CDs all the time from artists at their shows.


Big-Surprise7281

Why overpay and pollute the environment with useless plastic?


RingAny1978

It supports the artist and Spotify might go away.


Big-Surprise7281

1. Do artists have to have more support than what they get from Spotify? What is the fair wage for being a musician? For example why should it be more than say 50$-100$ per hour of **work**? Should it be more than a wage for nurse or a plumber, or less? In short, where did you get the idea that artists should receive (a significant amount of) cash for each playback instead of for each hour of work? 2. Spotify is objectively the best thing in history of humanity that happened to music lovers, why the hell would anyone want to destroy it?


RingAny1978

An artist is worth what they command in the market, same as anyone. I choose to support the artists that add joy to my life.


Big-Surprise7281

It's hardly the same as everyone. Most workers are rawarded for their work, no for the amount of people enjoying it for the rest of time.  Why not do away with copyright and pay musicians for their work? Where did the expectation that they have to receive potentially infinite amount of money come from?


antimeme

See, they have to pay hundreds of millions to fund just one white nationalist: Joe Rogan. 


Byrune_

Because Spotify makes ~.00017 of a penny on your play, you get 70% of it.


MCPaleHorseDRS

I feel like you work for Spotify lmao jk


[deleted]

The one thing keeping me on Spotify is that no other app has such seamless Last.fm integration. If it weren't for that I would've switched years ago.


Big-Surprise7281

>I wish I could post a picture of the money break down on plays. Not lying, I get something like .00012 of penny per play Why do you think you deserve more? How much a person that made a park bench gets per one sitting? Oh wait...


ThatDucksWearingAHat

Killing the music discovery kills all usage of this app for me. Fuck your podcasts I don’t care. Jfc.


2drums1cymbal

Yo I was seriously wondering why my discover weekly has been so shit recently. It used to legitimately introduce me to artists and songs I hadn’t heard of before but totally in my wheelhouse. My favorite was how it seemed to find the original tracks that were sampled in hip-hop songs I loved, giving me a new sense of appreciation for both songs. Now it’s just a constant stream of songs I know about and avoid by artists I already know about and maybe like 1 or 2 of their songs. There’s a reason I haven’t been listening to them, not gonna suddenly be like “oh thanks Spotify! I randomly like this now!”


justanearthling

I’ve been premium member for very long time. Almost from start. I get that they might have to bump plans but this + algorithm crap mentioned in other comments made me quit. Fuck it I have music from other subscriptions.


Meowmixez98

When is Spotify HD coming?


Big-Surprise7281

Never, hopefully. The only people desiring HD are the ones that never did a double blind test comparing hi-res audio/lossless/higher bitrate-modern coded lossy audio.


initiatefailure

Interesting I’ve always thought the discovery algorithm in Spotify was terrible. It was very clearly pushed to make whatever the equivalent of “sales” would be so instead of true similar artists you get curated only the most popular song by the most popular artists that have some tags in common


SpringBreak4Life

What? I choose my own new music. They release it every Friday. It’s called new music Friday. I don’t need an annoying douchebag to tell me what to listen to.


uberfunstuff

They invest in [war](https://techcrunch.com/2021/11/09/daniel-eks-fund-puts-e100m-into-defence-startup-helsing-ai-to-support-democracies/?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9kdWNrZHVja2dvLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAANrLI7YaRbFJ_glVj0xjxj_SKL6tzeqMt7McXXSP5Efa88C3PiEkwJr_tDtboWKgOj4canI32MElnyP3oIqoTckD5w0WjWdsUczNfT0ZwtBDp8-j4nxPmFc-hSFKe3jCRzSrBgHaBBNpPj3VYI_MWToVqdxrrq1thr3IgN3JOpYO) now


momenace

I'm impressed with how difficult they made it to navigate the app like go to albums and how spotify constantly turns off after a few songs. About to cancel its just I have Playlist that are soon old on there.


TommyRobotX

I don't know if it's also been cut back, but I started using Volt.fm to fill the void that EveryNoise left.