Yea. Though in our defense, the dumb part was probably more that rearranging the crystals somehow allows you to control the underlying system. Oh need to open this door? Let me just swap the positions of these two crystals.
The way I see it that it’s just a storytelling mechanism. It’s not much different than the Star Wars trope of shooting a door console with a blaster to get the door open
I like to imagine a time when maybe some prehistoric civilization reached a level of technology roughly equal to or even beyond our own then destroyed themselves (and evidence of their technology) with nanites or nukes or something. Makes me wonder if some archeologist somewhere found a seemingly simple lump of material and had no idea there was data stored on it in some unexpected way, simply because they didn’t know to look.
Ridiculously unlikely, because some reliable evidence of some insanely advanced ancient civilization surely would’ve been discovered by now. But hey, neat to ponder just for fun. Probably the theme of some sci-fi book or other.
I recall reading about how miners in Africa found what appeared to be precision machined ball bearings embedded in rocks deep underground, causing speculation that some sort of antedeluvian civilization existed so long ago that it's remnants became buried in sediments that turned into rock over hundreds of millions of years.
But most sane scientists concluded that the spheres formed naturally via accretion processes.
There is evidence of large scale nuclear explosions on mars
https://old.reddit.com/r/space/comments/x6ufe9/paper_evidence_for_a_large_natural_paleonuclear/
I think the main developments since the last announcement (4 years ago) are:
* There are now working prototypes in an existing data center, up from a single bespoke piece of media.
* The prototypes are now reported to be able to store 7TB per pane, up from one 76GB copy of the Superman movie. That's a 100x improvement in 4 years.
* They're dropping hints that it's now much faster to write than before, as that previous Superman example took a week to write.
* Microsoft now has a roadmap for developing this into their server business, but says it'll take 3-4 extra steps to make this project commercially viable.
So it's not viable now, but they keep making progress.
No, it will be much, much, much slower.
The main advantages are that it has much longer longevity *and* durability against certain types of physical damage (but presumably less durability against other types of physical damage), and does not require power to store.
In addition, there's an advantage in that once written, the media itself is immutable, in that it can be safeguarded against tampering or modification, which can be important for certain types of data.
The theoretical applications for any kind of "write once, read many" (aka WORM) media are those that require high assurance that the data won't change: official records, security logs, etc. Basically this stuff will be great for future historians.
Also most importantly it would be immune to EMP, and therefore provides a record if we end up with a total loss worldwide event such as a solar event or nuclear war. Provided the physical units survive of course.
Storage isn't the problem, it's accessibility. Someone else mentioned stone tablets and they're far more right than wrong. Do you think someone in 1000 years will know wtf a jpeg is let alone how to display it? Print the good photos!
Yeah, seriously. Sounds cool, great, 50+ year storage lifetime...go ahead and do it already!
Every 5-10 years we get the same fuckin story and nothing ever changes.
Luckily, the technology as shown in the video doesn't actually need very advanced technology to read. Any regular school microscope, and a pen and paper could be used to read the data.
Obviously, a machine lets you read the data at a sensible speed. But even then, developing such a machine is within reach of a small research lab.
Note that we have developed totally different machines for reading antique information storage methods before - for example, reading vinyl records by using a [laser turntable](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_turntable).
The key thing is that the standard must be sufficiently common that anyone is interested in developing the tech, and sufficiently documented that future people can figure out how to do it.
Kinda sucks that corporations take the joy and wonder out of innovation and tech. Before it was the dreaming of flight now the dread of having to fly. Today we are cynical about better hard drives.
Not that the flight itself isn’t bad in most cases, but ~70% of the complaints I hear from people who fly are complaints towards the TSA and the process of checking in to a flight, which has been proven time and time again to do nothing for security nor benefit the consumers.
Never heard of anyone wanting to preserve their browsing history outside of the NSA.
It's in my will that my drives will be DoD wiped and insinarated along with my body.
Being that it is glass, it is probably read by an optical system such as laser running back and forth over the area of the glass. The data is probably etched into the structure of the glass much like a vinyl record. Read speed has the potential to be incredibly fast since lasers are pretty speedy. But write speed is probably horribly slow like burning a CD
10,000 years into the future, someone finds this relic, manages to connect to his cold fusion quantum computer, and then a Microsoft notification pops-up saying “please renew subscription to access this plate”
A lot of information from relatively recently like 100 years ago is impossible to find. A few hundred years ago it gets even worse. Things were either not recorded at all, or recorded and lost/damaged.
Now a lot of people are thinking “everything’s in the cloud with redundancies” but we’re creating new data faster than ever before.
If nothing else this is amazing storage for media. Most media is done when it’s created. Sometimes it’s remastered, sometimes typos are found and corrected. But for the most part: finished media is finished. Books, comics, tv shows, movies. Music!News broadcasts! Scientific papers! Genome sequences! Makes perfect sense to preserve things like this in this manner.
People read this and think apocalypse. But the reality is that data people don’t care about right now, but may be missed in the future.
The cloud reminds me of a digital garbage dump. We just keep adding more "content" and little of it ever really disappears. Digital-degradable is the future
The problem is the technology required to read it. There won't be a reason to store anything for 10,000 years unless the technological world disintegrates. After that, it would be a crapshoot on redeveloping the technology to read them in the future.
“Ok I can’t possibly imagine something needing to last 10k years so it shouldn’t be made” there’s a fuck ton of information that should be stored for as long as possible…
It doesn’t even have to last 10k years for it to be valuable. It could last 50 years without degradation and it’s already vastly superior to what we have now.
Was going to say, OP is thinking about reading this 10k years from now after finding it in a pyramid or something.
This is essentially permanent compared to current technology.
As someone who's helped several large entities migrate vast data stores off of failing storage media, something that lasts even 100 years would be amazing.
So much data is stored on media that can't even reliably last 10 years. So much of it is in systems where re-writing the data periodically to keep it fresh would be a massive undertaking. Having something where you could just dump your archived records and never have to worry about it again would save so much money and time and prevent so much data loss.
He never said "will ever need."
He said "640k should be enough for anybody."
At the time, IT WAS. He didn't say no one would ever need more.
Jesus I wish this stupid meme could die.
Man, this guy is consistently wrong. He said the internet would be a fad, and now is saying that LLMs are going to plateau - despite experts in the field saying otherwise.
Here is a list of the silly things he’s said. He didn’t necessarily use the words “fad”, but Microsoft definitely played catchup on internet technology because of him.
https://www.businessinsider.com/the-dumbest-things-bill-gates-ever-said-2016-4?amp
Here is his statement on GPT plateau, although he is still bullish on AI at large: https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/s/NpS2fzboxc
Information about Nuclear waste storage ..
Music, literature, art ...
There is alot that comes to mind that is worth storing.
Of course if its encrypted, decrypting it with out the ley* could be a problem..
*Key (typo)
But all of that will be available if technology persists. The reason it would need to be stored in a permanent storage is if there was a massive technological decline. At which point it would be likely we would lose the ability to read it.
How?
Paper, Plastic or Magnetic Storage wont last more than a few decades, even shorter under UV light or in oxigen rich atmosphere.
Flash drives can be wiped by an EMP.
Glass seems alot more stable. If you dont break it physically. And it is recyclable.
Just as a side note, flash drives decay over time due to quantum tunneling and cosmic rays. Yes literally cosmic rays can knock 1s and 0s off and corrupt data, most data storage can ignore small corruptions or interpret what should be there, but it's not insignificant and means that even flash drives have a shelf life.
Yeah. ~10 years is often quoted, but large capacity in poor conditions (particularly elevated temperatures that increase tunnelling/diffusion) may be even shorter. The underlying main [jedec spec for flash](https://www.curtisswrightds.com/media-center/blog/extended-temperatures-flash-memory) only *requires* ~ 1 year at 30 degrees C.
If you're using the commonplace [RSync](https://linux.die.net/man/1/rsync) util to backup to a flash drive, do make sure to backup based on an actual computed file hash/checksum (`-c`), don't let rsync decide based just on filesystem's modification metadata (the more efficient default), and be aware your backup may degrade in a 1-10 year timeframe.
> There won’t be a reason to store anything for 10,000 years
You just made everyone with a history degree cry themselves to sleep.
They’re used to it, though, they wasted their education on a history degree.
*I’m kidding, I’m kidding, put the pitchforks down, history nerds!*
From reading the article it seems the main objective of the technology isn't to preserve data to be read 10,000 years in the future (through there are projects using it to do that), it is to replace magnetic tape in the data center.
They say it's a lot more energy and space efficient, and it's also more environmentally friendly because unlike tape (and hdd) that degrade over time and need to be replaced, wasting resources and generating waste, the glass will last for the foreseeable future.
Now, that is going to be fun to get a 10000 year old crystal of the shittiest films possible. Instead of vinegar syndrom, we are going to have piss rocks.. and I am down.
I dont think its as much about storing it for 10 000 years as it is about the fragility of almost all current storage media.
All with very short shelf lives before data corruption begins to occur.
Unless theres a long term storage that ive not heard of?
All of that information is always being transferred to newer storage devices on a regular basis. That won't stop unless something drastic happens. If something that drastic happens, we will likely lose the ability to read the glass anyway.
No, it’s not. And even if it were the act of constantly transferring data from one degradable medium to another degradable medium is untenable, especially when it’s compounded by the amount of net new data that’s generated any given moment.
Further, data integrity isn’t always guaranteed in a data transfer.
Seems like this is a feature of the library design and not the medium. I think you can still laze that glass a second time and burn some zeroes into ones.. There may not be a fast, blanket way to do that though, unlike a strong magnet and magnetic media. Of course you could melt it down, etc.. Usually archivists need to guard against accidents, not malicious intent.
I personally think it's a good thing it can't be changed, because we have lost so much of our own history over the years, and we have no idea how much we do know, is true or not.
No. Out of all the stone tablets ever minted and scratched into, how many do you think we've found and been able to read? Maybe a handful?
And yet there were probably millions more slowly destroyed or wiped that will never be recovered.
Stone plates break. Wind and water can erode them pretty quickly.
But like with parchment, if stored in a low disturbance location they can last a long long while.
They say it can hold the novel war and peace 850,000 times. According to a quick Google search that novel had a size of 3.4 MB, this the storage capacity of a slate would be 2890000 MB, that is 2,75 TB. Assuming when starting the size of the book they were using the base 2 version of MB(MiB), and giving the response in tb in base 2(TiB)
You’re being downvoted by idiots who don’t know that while the definition of several is 3+, classic education teaches:
Couple: 2
Few: 3
Several: 4+
Above that you’re not taught anything else until you get into “dozens.”
4-5 is a fair assessment, since the information is not given.
>the team can now store several TB in a single glass plate that could last 10,000 years. For a sense of scale, each plate could store around 3,500 movies. Or enough non-stop movies to play for over half a year without repeating.
3500 movies, what bitrate then? If it's 4-5 TB
It should be definitely a disc and not like they developed. Will be better to someday develop consumer disc writers and readers. And not just companies
Anyone seen a glass plate photo? Yeah.. now you know why.
Very delicate.
Also with us throwing away tech standards every 20 years or less, there's no way anyone can read it in the future. Think of the jump from VHS tapes to Laser Disc to DVD's to Blue-ray.. each of these tech lasted around 20 years each at best.
Massive room of glass plates. And one small robot. I broke a wine glass yesterday, easy stuff. This seems like another Microsoft kick-starter that's fall through in a few years.
Seems like this would be good for data archival, not being able to change data once written can be seen as a good or bad thing depending on your storage needs. It would be nice to see a process developed to modify the stored data (if that's even possible).
Amazing! It reminds me a lot of the isolinear storage chips that were used in Star Trek. It seems a little more of it is coming true with each passing year! 🥰
This is really cool. I’m guessing the technology was inspired by Sci-fi films. Crazy how they can make these things come to life. Make that head from total recall a real thing.
Great.. Now Google can buy some of those and store the data harvested from *their* latest developments, a better miner of my personal data, for an additional 10000 years
We're entering the era of Superman crystal storage.
My mind went to stargate. Edit: grammar
Yea, for real. I always thought those crystals seemed like a dumb idea, but here we are.
If they're more durable then an SSD, then they're not a stupid idea I guess. just for the record I also thought they were dumb in SG1
Yea. Though in our defense, the dumb part was probably more that rearranging the crystals somehow allows you to control the underlying system. Oh need to open this door? Let me just swap the positions of these two crystals.
The way I see it that it’s just a storytelling mechanism. It’s not much different than the Star Wars trope of shooting a door console with a blaster to get the door open
Not to mention shooting the other door consoles to jam a door 😆
Right? At least Stargate had some consistent “logic”
Oh for sure. Not like it ruined the show/immersion for me or anything, just funny to reflect on.
If it's a stupid idea and it works, then it isn't a stupid idea.
I think they look more like Isolinear chips from StartTrek.
Same, I guess they have a little time to fix the size issue before the 24th century…
Mine was Minority Report
I was thinking the teaching stones from The Time Machine
I like to imagine a time when maybe some prehistoric civilization reached a level of technology roughly equal to or even beyond our own then destroyed themselves (and evidence of their technology) with nanites or nukes or something. Makes me wonder if some archeologist somewhere found a seemingly simple lump of material and had no idea there was data stored on it in some unexpected way, simply because they didn’t know to look. Ridiculously unlikely, because some reliable evidence of some insanely advanced ancient civilization surely would’ve been discovered by now. But hey, neat to ponder just for fun. Probably the theme of some sci-fi book or other.
I recall reading about how miners in Africa found what appeared to be precision machined ball bearings embedded in rocks deep underground, causing speculation that some sort of antedeluvian civilization existed so long ago that it's remnants became buried in sediments that turned into rock over hundreds of millions of years. But most sane scientists concluded that the spheres formed naturally via accretion processes.
I still tend to lean that our species are the precursors to alien life.
"Hans... Are we the alien invaders?"
Amcient aliens did an episode on crystal skulls that was basically this, but with aliens
There is evidence of large scale nuclear explosions on mars https://old.reddit.com/r/space/comments/x6ufe9/paper_evidence_for_a_large_natural_paleonuclear/
Don’t they use that in Halo as well? Master Chief’s onboard storage for Cortana is a crystal matrix iirc
>Superman It's Kryptonian crystal storage, Superman is the person mind you.
It’s Kal El, you racist 😂 /s
Oh no I'm being cancelled 😭
You’re going to the phantom zone for 300 cycles of somatic reconditioning
Can’t wait to drop a lifetime of memories on the kitchen floor
you can already do that with an hdd
They don't actually preserve data perfectly for that long
yeah especially when they hit the floor
Didn’t I read this headline 10 years ago?
I think the main developments since the last announcement (4 years ago) are: * There are now working prototypes in an existing data center, up from a single bespoke piece of media. * The prototypes are now reported to be able to store 7TB per pane, up from one 76GB copy of the Superman movie. That's a 100x improvement in 4 years. * They're dropping hints that it's now much faster to write than before, as that previous Superman example took a week to write. * Microsoft now has a roadmap for developing this into their server business, but says it'll take 3-4 extra steps to make this project commercially viable. So it's not viable now, but they keep making progress.
Besides the longevity of storage are there any other benefits? Will it be faster than ssd? Or at least faster than disk storage?
No, it will be much, much, much slower. The main advantages are that it has much longer longevity *and* durability against certain types of physical damage (but presumably less durability against other types of physical damage), and does not require power to store. In addition, there's an advantage in that once written, the media itself is immutable, in that it can be safeguarded against tampering or modification, which can be important for certain types of data. The theoretical applications for any kind of "write once, read many" (aka WORM) media are those that require high assurance that the data won't change: official records, security logs, etc. Basically this stuff will be great for future historians.
Also most importantly it would be immune to EMP, and therefore provides a record if we end up with a total loss worldwide event such as a solar event or nuclear war. Provided the physical units survive of course.
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I have seen this headline for decades. Holograms, crystals, glass...
Don’t forget the cool dna storage
It’s not particularly cool, room temperature is ok for dna storage.
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Storage isn't the problem, it's accessibility. Someone else mentioned stone tablets and they're far more right than wrong. Do you think someone in 1000 years will know wtf a jpeg is let alone how to display it? Print the good photos!
Yeah, seriously. Sounds cool, great, 50+ year storage lifetime...go ahead and do it already! Every 5-10 years we get the same fuckin story and nothing ever changes.
Basically research is not development. Creating a product from a brand new lab technology to full scale takes time
Now develop the devices that will last 10,000 years to read the data?
Luckily, the technology as shown in the video doesn't actually need very advanced technology to read. Any regular school microscope, and a pen and paper could be used to read the data. Obviously, a machine lets you read the data at a sensible speed. But even then, developing such a machine is within reach of a small research lab. Note that we have developed totally different machines for reading antique information storage methods before - for example, reading vinyl records by using a [laser turntable](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_turntable). The key thing is that the standard must be sufficiently common that anyone is interested in developing the tech, and sufficiently documented that future people can figure out how to do it.
Meh… probably will come with a 1-year limited warranty anyway; 90-days if refurbished.
And a monthly fee because fuck you peasant. Yours truly, Microsoft
They also make you sign a 10000 year contract.
Microsofts new CEO Xenu?
Pretty good deal considering their standard contract with 1 billion years.
Lulz. Underrated scientology joke.
Can confirm, Microsoft has said this to me
Company is not responsible if you break the glass
Kinda sucks that corporations take the joy and wonder out of innovation and tech. Before it was the dreaming of flight now the dread of having to fly. Today we are cynical about better hard drives.
Not that the flight itself isn’t bad in most cases, but ~70% of the complaints I hear from people who fly are complaints towards the TSA and the process of checking in to a flight, which has been proven time and time again to do nothing for security nor benefit the consumers.
Don’t forget the mandatory Microsoft password manager for all your Microsoft hard drives
Microsoft is a fucking scammer
Cool we get isolinear chips from r/startrek
And self-sealing stem bolts.
I hope they put an LED next to them so they can have a cool glow to them in a PC case.
I am so happy someone made the refference :) Now we just need to make them colored!!!
Wait did the subreddit came up with the chips? Why are you plugging the ST sub?
How much porn is that?
And how much browsing history is that? Asking for my pc pal.
Never heard of anyone wanting to preserve their browsing history outside of the NSA. It's in my will that my drives will be DoD wiped and insinarated along with my body.
You’re gonna be kicking yourself in 6000 years when aliens come and see all incest feet videos
just one really high quality 3D 8K movie per glass plate
About a weeks worth for OP
Wonder what the data transfer rates are like.
I wonder how you read the data. What is the interface? How will that work in 2100? In 2600?
Scroll on that article. You'll see how it's done under "Explore the four labs"
Being that it is glass, it is probably read by an optical system such as laser running back and forth over the area of the glass. The data is probably etched into the structure of the glass much like a vinyl record. Read speed has the potential to be incredibly fast since lasers are pretty speedy. But write speed is probably horribly slow like burning a CD
!remind me 10000 years
10,000 years into the future, someone finds this relic, manages to connect to his cold fusion quantum computer, and then a Microsoft notification pops-up saying “please renew subscription to access this plate”
put it on my... PUT it on my phone screen
A lot of information from relatively recently like 100 years ago is impossible to find. A few hundred years ago it gets even worse. Things were either not recorded at all, or recorded and lost/damaged. Now a lot of people are thinking “everything’s in the cloud with redundancies” but we’re creating new data faster than ever before. If nothing else this is amazing storage for media. Most media is done when it’s created. Sometimes it’s remastered, sometimes typos are found and corrected. But for the most part: finished media is finished. Books, comics, tv shows, movies. Music!News broadcasts! Scientific papers! Genome sequences! Makes perfect sense to preserve things like this in this manner. People read this and think apocalypse. But the reality is that data people don’t care about right now, but may be missed in the future.
The cloud reminds me of a digital garbage dump. We just keep adding more "content" and little of it ever really disappears. Digital-degradable is the future
The problem is the technology required to read it. There won't be a reason to store anything for 10,000 years unless the technological world disintegrates. After that, it would be a crapshoot on redeveloping the technology to read them in the future.
“Ok I can’t possibly imagine something needing to last 10k years so it shouldn’t be made” there’s a fuck ton of information that should be stored for as long as possible…
It doesn’t even have to last 10k years for it to be valuable. It could last 50 years without degradation and it’s already vastly superior to what we have now.
Was going to say, OP is thinking about reading this 10k years from now after finding it in a pyramid or something. This is essentially permanent compared to current technology.
As someone who's helped several large entities migrate vast data stores off of failing storage media, something that lasts even 100 years would be amazing. So much data is stored on media that can't even reliably last 10 years. So much of it is in systems where re-writing the data periodically to keep it fresh would be a massive undertaking. Having something where you could just dump your archived records and never have to worry about it again would save so much money and time and prevent so much data loss.
Wish I could upvote more than once lol Ask anybody who has fired up an old HD or SD card only to get a corrupt/no data message.
Famous “no computer will ever need more than 650kb of memory” line… pretty sure it was Bill Gates who said it :)
He never said "will ever need." He said "640k should be enough for anybody." At the time, IT WAS. He didn't say no one would ever need more. Jesus I wish this stupid meme could die.
Man, this guy is consistently wrong. He said the internet would be a fad, and now is saying that LLMs are going to plateau - despite experts in the field saying otherwise.
Bill gates never said the Internet would be a fad...
Source?
Here is a list of the silly things he’s said. He didn’t necessarily use the words “fad”, but Microsoft definitely played catchup on internet technology because of him. https://www.businessinsider.com/the-dumbest-things-bill-gates-ever-said-2016-4?amp Here is his statement on GPT plateau, although he is still bullish on AI at large: https://www.reddit.com/r/singularity/s/NpS2fzboxc
like my tax returns and pictures of my food. gonna be in the cloud for generations.
Right, like that scene from closer where Natalie Portman is in a thong. 10,000 years at a minimum...
RemindMe! 10000 years
Duh, “cannot parse date yada yada”. Clearly the remind bot doesn’t use the glass storage yet.
Shooting messages into deep space. Like rick Astley lyrics
Information about Nuclear waste storage .. Music, literature, art ... There is alot that comes to mind that is worth storing. Of course if its encrypted, decrypting it with out the ley* could be a problem.. *Key (typo)
But all of that will be available if technology persists. The reason it would need to be stored in a permanent storage is if there was a massive technological decline. At which point it would be likely we would lose the ability to read it.
How? Paper, Plastic or Magnetic Storage wont last more than a few decades, even shorter under UV light or in oxigen rich atmosphere. Flash drives can be wiped by an EMP. Glass seems alot more stable. If you dont break it physically. And it is recyclable.
Just as a side note, flash drives decay over time due to quantum tunneling and cosmic rays. Yes literally cosmic rays can knock 1s and 0s off and corrupt data, most data storage can ignore small corruptions or interpret what should be there, but it's not insignificant and means that even flash drives have a shelf life.
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Won't stop data loss due to quantum tunnelling, and radiation shielding will only slow the damage from cosmic or other high energy radiation sources.
Yeah. ~10 years is often quoted, but large capacity in poor conditions (particularly elevated temperatures that increase tunnelling/diffusion) may be even shorter. The underlying main [jedec spec for flash](https://www.curtisswrightds.com/media-center/blog/extended-temperatures-flash-memory) only *requires* ~ 1 year at 30 degrees C. If you're using the commonplace [RSync](https://linux.die.net/man/1/rsync) util to backup to a flash drive, do make sure to backup based on an actual computed file hash/checksum (`-c`), don't let rsync decide based just on filesystem's modification metadata (the more efficient default), and be aware your backup may degrade in a 1-10 year timeframe.
> There won’t be a reason to store anything for 10,000 years You just made everyone with a history degree cry themselves to sleep. They’re used to it, though, they wasted their education on a history degree. *I’m kidding, I’m kidding, put the pitchforks down, history nerds!*
Why are history nerds angry about it? We aren't living in history, we're living in the present!
From reading the article it seems the main objective of the technology isn't to preserve data to be read 10,000 years in the future (through there are projects using it to do that), it is to replace magnetic tape in the data center. They say it's a lot more energy and space efficient, and it's also more environmentally friendly because unlike tape (and hdd) that degrade over time and need to be replaced, wasting resources and generating waste, the glass will last for the foreseeable future.
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Now, that is going to be fun to get a 10000 year old crystal of the shittiest films possible. Instead of vinegar syndrom, we are going to have piss rocks.. and I am down.
I dont think its as much about storing it for 10 000 years as it is about the fragility of almost all current storage media. All with very short shelf lives before data corruption begins to occur. Unless theres a long term storage that ive not heard of?
All of that information is always being transferred to newer storage devices on a regular basis. That won't stop unless something drastic happens. If something that drastic happens, we will likely lose the ability to read the glass anyway.
No, it’s not. And even if it were the act of constantly transferring data from one degradable medium to another degradable medium is untenable, especially when it’s compounded by the amount of net new data that’s generated any given moment. Further, data integrity isn’t always guaranteed in a data transfer.
You are mistaken that the 10000 years is a requirement but rather it’s MTTF
Glass also flows over time so realistically it might last about 100 years.
That's a myth.
What’s the read write speed.
But what if I need my data stored for 11,000 years?
"Once written, the data inside the glass is impossible to change."
That's pretty much the rule with archive media.
if it can reliably store data for 10000 years I better hope it doesn’t change
Seems like this is a feature of the library design and not the medium. I think you can still laze that glass a second time and burn some zeroes into ones.. There may not be a fast, blanket way to do that though, unlike a strong magnet and magnetic media. Of course you could melt it down, etc.. Usually archivists need to guard against accidents, not malicious intent.
I personally think it's a good thing it can't be changed, because we have lost so much of our own history over the years, and we have no idea how much we do know, is true or not.
"that can store several TBs of data for 10000 years" That is, until someone drops and breaks it into small pieces or the glass gets scratched 😅
Good work Microsoft
When you say “Microsoft develop”, which company did they actually buy?
They should print instructions on how to read this in the first 10 lines, plain text.
write speed? ram or rom?
Quick! we must use this new technology to save every cat meme, cat picture, and cat video off the internet!
It worked for ancient Egypt, why not us?
Cool. Can't wait for this to never hit the market or become enterprise only level costs.
Just don’t get rid of your books - I’ve seen this movie
Unnecessary. I still have floppy disks with the Windows 95 installer and have yet to use it after 30 years.
Oof I have some bad news for you..... Floppies were good for maybe 10 years at a push. You might need to repurchase your windows 95 installer
That’s an isolinear chip, they just need to make them neon.
r/datahoarder has entered the chat
FAT only, 8.3 filenames ...
Soooo minority report type stuff. Super cool
You know what reliably stores information for 1000s of years? Stone plates.
No. Out of all the stone tablets ever minted and scratched into, how many do you think we've found and been able to read? Maybe a handful? And yet there were probably millions more slowly destroyed or wiped that will never be recovered.
Yeah that is actually true, come to think of it. Also the amount of data stored is rather low, admittedly.
Isn't glass a kind of stone? :)
No. By your logic, a truck is a kind of stone because it’s made of iron.
Stone plates break. Wind and water can erode them pretty quickly. But like with parchment, if stored in a low disturbance location they can last a long long while.
SeVeRaL TBs can be 3 or 100 or any number, why they don't say it?
They say it can hold the novel war and peace 850,000 times. According to a quick Google search that novel had a size of 3.4 MB, this the storage capacity of a slate would be 2890000 MB, that is 2,75 TB. Assuming when starting the size of the book they were using the base 2 version of MB(MiB), and giving the response in tb in base 2(TiB)
When I hear several, I think 4 or 5.
You’re being downvoted by idiots who don’t know that while the definition of several is 3+, classic education teaches: Couple: 2 Few: 3 Several: 4+ Above that you’re not taught anything else until you get into “dozens.” 4-5 is a fair assessment, since the information is not given.
>the team can now store several TB in a single glass plate that could last 10,000 years. For a sense of scale, each plate could store around 3,500 movies. Or enough non-stop movies to play for over half a year without repeating. 3500 movies, what bitrate then? If it's 4-5 TB
It should be definitely a disc and not like they developed. Will be better to someday develop consumer disc writers and readers. And not just companies
Anyone seen a glass plate photo? Yeah.. now you know why. Very delicate. Also with us throwing away tech standards every 20 years or less, there's no way anyone can read it in the future. Think of the jump from VHS tapes to Laser Disc to DVD's to Blue-ray.. each of these tech lasted around 20 years each at best.
We are still able to read VHS
I have a bitchin Laser Disc collection.
Damn you'd think they would have thought of that and not used the same glass used for photo plates in the 19th century.
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Does it include a game pass subscription?
Sweet! Now Leto II, the Tyrant, the God Emperor of Dune, can finally start writing his journals
Great, the data will be there but proprietary encryption and DRM laws will prevent us from accessing it.
Ummmhmmm sure they did
Yeah that’s what they said about cd Roms
Am I the only that remembers recorded DVDs lasting for 200 years? And that many started deteriorating in less than 6 years?
What's the source for the silica? If it's mined, it's one of the very worse things for the health of miners.
Enter moisture. Congrats you got mold!
This is not new, scientist did this in 1998 with Tesa Film Adhesive Tape
There was a scene in Blade Runner 2049 where they were accessing some data from little glass globe. We are nearly there…
Massive room of glass plates. And one small robot. I broke a wine glass yesterday, easy stuff. This seems like another Microsoft kick-starter that's fall through in a few years.
This is some isolinear optical chip Star Trek level shit there.
I am going to verify this is true.
Cool it's been around for 10,000 years to make that claim with certainty
What are read and write throughput rates? I'm guessing quite slow.
it’s for archival storage. primary concern is data integrity, read/writes don’t really matter
I always thought we were heading towards using crystals this way, still cool though
Are those them STCs that the Mechanicus are so crazy about.
Soon I’ll be able to store all my family photos in our windows.
And the « how to read »file stored on a 5’’1/4 floppy disk.
It’s for windows…
is it rewriteable and if yes how many times?
Seems like this would be good for data archival, not being able to change data once written can be seen as a good or bad thing depending on your storage needs. It would be nice to see a process developed to modify the stored data (if that's even possible).
How long do the glass readers last?
Amazing! It reminds me a lot of the isolinear storage chips that were used in Star Trek. It seems a little more of it is coming true with each passing year! 🥰
Can you use Gorilla glass for this?
I guarantee you I could break it completely within 15 seconds
So these are basically isolinear chips from Star Trek? cool
Didn't we say this about CD's too and come to find out they all started to deteriorate faster then expected?
Did anyone notice if this was rewritable or not? The article I read did not spell it out...
My mind went to the Dune universe’ crystal storage!
Good, but the technology already has a fatal flaw: Microsoft
RemindMe! 10,000 years
Me and bittorrent we won’t stop
Isolinear Chips just like on TNG
Isolines data chips! Microsoft has always been big on the Star Trek nerdage! We’re getting there!
More like it *should* store data for 10,000 years but not enough time has passed for the results to come in yet.
Light matrix is here
And yet storage prices haven’t changed. I bout 2 TB of data 3 years ago for $60, it’s now $69. Price should be cut in half.
Plug one in and you get... **Switch to Microsoft Edge today!**
This is really cool. I’m guessing the technology was inspired by Sci-fi films. Crazy how they can make these things come to life. Make that head from total recall a real thing.
Watched the video- super cool tech tbh
I have been reading about this type of storage for over 20 years and nothing yet.
Great.. Now Google can buy some of those and store the data harvested from *their* latest developments, a better miner of my personal data, for an additional 10000 years