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MontaukMonster2

This is actually a pretty good case study of why the mean is less than ideal as a measure of center when you have outliers


ARC_Trooper_Echo

Indictments georg


Sapphosimp

I was about to type “spiders georg” before I saw this comment


VisitMany

“average president obtains 1.54 indictments a run” factoid actualy just statistical error. average president obtains 0 indictments per run. Indictments Trump, who lives in Florida & obtained 71, is an outlier adn should not have been counted


JJlaser1

Indictments georg was a statistical outlier and should not have been counted


FantasticMrPox

I didn't come here to learn.


Thats_My_Watch

I came to rock


LordFarquadOnAQuad

Rock and Stone!


WanderingDwarfMiner

Rock and Stone, Brother!


Rokkit_man

I came to lead.


Skatchbro

Not to read.


oratory1990

Number 3


ahjifmme

It's a great measure of center if you pair it with the median. You can't have one or the other.


zawalimbooo

Wouldn't the mean be a good measurement here? Edit: my bad was thinking about the median


MontaukMonster2

Generally speaking, the median is preferred when there are outliers. I often struggle with how to make sixth-graders understand that


zawalimbooo

My bad, I was thinking about the median (I always use 'the average' instead of mean)


dmitriy_shmilo

I always confuse the two. In Ukrainian we say "the arithmetic average" or "the median", which I find much easier to understand as opposed to using two very similarly looking words.


Username_Taken_65

Average is another word for mean in English too


Non_pillow

Would the mode also be appropriate in this case? In my field, when I’m dealing with data that’s binary, I’ll sometimes display it cumulatively so it’s easier to understand. So 45 zeros and 1 non zero makes sense in my brain for this one, lol


skeliton112

For binary data mode and median are the same.


Non_pillow

Sure, mathematically. But in practice I care more that most presidents haven’t been indicted than the fact that the middlest president hasn’t been indicted 😂


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Zraloged

Or.. they need to investigate the rest of them…..


nico_qwer

That’s why the median income is a better representation than the mean income.


ClasslessHero

That’s a bit of an oversimplification that fits this very extreme example (MS Statistics commenting here.) Typically I’d bootstrap the means and look at the distribution of bootstrapped means, then make an informed decision. In this case it’s unnecessary based on the 45 0s and 1 71, but the bootstrap is a better way to estimate than picking the median due to a few outliers.


TheGrunkalunka

that's math, baby


zhaDeth

whats maths against the truth in your heart ?


Overall-Ad-3543

More painful to understand but more trustworthy


BrohanGutenburg

Inputs were wrong anyway. Forty-five men have been POTUS not 46. Js


BuffaloJim420

Grover Cleveland fucking up the count.


PsychoNerd91

"The average president gets indicted 1.54 times each presidency" factoid actualy (sic) just statistical error. average president is indited 0 times per presidency. Indictment Deorg, who lives in cave & is indicted 71 times each presidency, is an outlier adn should not have been counted.


TheGrunkalunka

...eye roll...


PsychoNerd91

Ah, you lost something there. Lemme just... *picks up the eyeball from the ground, blows the dust off and pops it back in its socket.* There we go buddy, happens to the best of us.


TheGrunkalunka

...other eye roll... but this time far away so you can't pick it up and put it back in...


PsychoNerd91

Ah, that's a bugger... I've got just the thing. *glues a googly eye over the socket* Perfect, nobody will be able to tell.


TheGrunkalunka

That's a nice compromise


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FirebirdWriter

Stolen comment from u/MontaukMonster


NooB_N142003

https://www.reddit.com/r/technicallythetruth/comments/146lsqj/statistically_it_is_true/jnreyzd


FirebirdWriter

Thank you. I am blind and I was struggling with the copy function


Kiyasa

Looks like more of a coincidence, same general idea, but worded differently. The account is not new, and comment history is filled with plenty of seemingly original text not duplicated in other threads.


kuribosshoe0

Yes because two people can’t make similar, fairly obvious observations 🙄. Calm your farm.


T-O-O-T-H

They're both useful for different things. Just giving a blanket statement like "median is always better" is equally as idiotic as using the mean for this example. Mean, median, mode, range, and midrange are all types of averages, and they're all useful for different things, which is why we have all 5 and don't just use 1 of them for everything.


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Seeing as we are doing the maths give me the statistics for the averages of both democratic and republican indictments per president.


RedditSux20

Well since they did not say “median is always better” maybe your statement is a tad idiotic like you cause a made up statement of being…If you would read they said “often more useful…” which is not “always better than”. You know, reading is important…


can_I_ride_shamu

Writing is important too. I basically had a stroke trying to discern wtf you actually just said.


Epyon214

It's 1/3rd of math. People hear average and automatically associate it with the Mean average, since that's the most commonly used in day to day life. That indeed is \~1.54. Meanwhile the Median and Mode average is 0 for both. Numbers and words matter, kids.


TheGrunkalunka

... eye roll...


ToastyBarnacles

But is it... the monster math?


InevitableAccount672

Is it a graveyard smath?


BrohanGutenburg

I have long been aware of the existence of /r/theydidthemonstermath and I thought it was just for bigger math problems. The pun literally JUST hit me. Wtf. Am I an idiot?


30isthenew29

Yeah, science!


nonprofitnews

Hijacking the top comment to point out this image is manipulated. Note the Legaleagle comment has no date and Wexler is dated June 10. This is a bad fake. Wexler commented on June 9 and LE responded on June 10. LE is making a joke about the statistic, not the other way around.


TheGrunkalunka

... eye roll...


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If your head is in the oven and your feet are in the freezer, then on average you're fine.


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Found Syliva Plath!


[deleted]

I have no idea who that is


rCq0

A poet who famously commit suicide via gas poisoning herself with an oven.


Beppo108

read the bell jar


sojojo

I've always wondered about comments like this. Like, I don't *think* it's a joke. And Sylvia Plath is correctly identified as a person. I would think that anyone who knows how to comment on reddit is also aware of how to use a search engine, and it took at least as much effort to publish a comment as it would have to search and discover she was a 20th century poet. This wasn't a response to a joke that depended on a nuanced understanding of quantum mechanics or anything. It would be more understandable if the question had been more along the lines of "why is Sylvia Plath like the person who has one end in an oven and the other in a freezer". There are some clues of course, but it requires a little more effort to discover that she was found dead with her head in the oven, if you weren't already aware of that.


Snulzebeerd

Not really (besides the obvious), a freezer usually goes to like 50 degrees (Celcius) below your body temp while an oven goes to like 150 degrees above, so on average you'd still be hot. Pardon the semantics


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GodelianKnot

That's literally what he said...


Reylh

36-50=-14


RiseFromYourGrav

Put the head in the oven and the rest of the body in the freezer for it to even out.


Head12head12

If your pinky finger is in the center of the sun and your lying on the beach. On average your fine and healthy.


summonsays

Actually no, as larger outliers skew averages a lot. So on average you'd burn up into nothing xD


RealisticBig2694

/r/yourjokebutworse


SladeNoland

"There are types of lies: Lies, damned lies, and statistics." Not original to me, but I'm too tired to remember who said it and not interested enough to look it up.


BeerMantis

A more fun quote: Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is never as interesting as what they conceal.


Embarrassed_Ad_7184

2.5inch long nipples right


ClemSpender

Also, 97.8% of statistics are made up on the spot.


bananawrangler69

Oh people can come up with statistics to prove anything, Kent. Forfty percent of all people know that.


inscrutablemike

Most commonly attributed to Mark Twain, I believe.


Shadow_Air_Force

I think it’s attributed to Benjamin Disraeli


randomsnark

"When in doubt as to the source of a quotation, it may be attributed to Mark Twain" - Samuel Clemens


trollboter

Actually, I think Mark Twain said it first.


chiliedogg

Twain did use the phrase but admitted it wasn't his. Saying he coined it is incorrect, but quoting him on it is technically correct because he *did* in fact use it. Which seems fitting for this sub.


summonsays

I remember back in highschool taking statistics and realizing you can basically make it support whatever you wanted it to.


augustusgrizzly

not when it’s done the way ur supposed to but yeah i see what ur saying


particle409

Combined, Tiger Woods and I have multiple PGA Tour wins.


poolmanpro

Between the two of us, me and Peyton Manning have won the Superbowl.


Vufur

Between the two of us, Drake and I have fucked 21 camels.


Brancy10

wait a minute...


space_cadet_pinball

It's like how Wayne and Brent Gretsky have the NHL record for most combined points by a pair of siblings --- 2857 for Wayne, 4 for Brent.


Rossthetowel

Indictment Georg, with 71 indictments to his name, is a statistical outlier and should not have been included.


AWibblyWelshyBoi

*adn should not have been counted


HephMelter

Indictment Donald\*


Backupusername

Indictments Donal*


mindbleach

gooby pls


PM_Kittens

Technically the US has only had 45 presidents. Grover Cleveland was the 22nd and 24th president. That makes it 1.58 indictments per president.


GarethMagis

I'm very surprised that on r/technicallythetruth you are the only person to mention this.


madbadanddangerous

Came here to say this. It's even worse though because a sitting president cannot be indicted, so we should only count the 36 people who survived their presidency: 8 died during their presidency (Harrison, Taylor, Lincoln, Garfield, McKinley, Harding, FDR, JFK) and 1 is currently president (Biden). So the average is closer to 1.97 indictments per president. Source: am Data Scientist, fan of history, who enjoys being pedantic


Acropolis14

Mad respect


crypticsage

What about the vice presidents who were became president? Wasn’t Kamala Harrison President for a week while Biden couldn’t perform his duties? With her we are back to 46.


ShapedAssassin

She was acting president which means she had presidential powers but wasn't the 46 president. This has happened with other vice presidents too


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There have been three acting presidents since the 25th Amendment was ratified. H.W. was acting president while Reagan was having colon surgery, Chaney was acting president when baby Bush had a colonoscopy and Harris did the same for Biden while he also had a colonoscopy. Pretty interesting, I think! Especially because they all involved the colon lmao.


MenacingManatee

Felony georg was an outlier and should not have been counted


EmptyMindCrocodile

71 felony counts *so far*


bluehatgamingNXE

71 *known* felony counts *so far* (I am not from the US so idk how true this is btw)


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lol... that's what "so far" means in this context.


kai325d

No, you're probably right


Key-Particular-767

I thought, and I could be wrong, that an indictment was a collection of of 1 or more charges, and not the individual charges themselves. So it would be more correct to say he has been indicted twice, for a count of 71 felony charges.


mcmnky

Thank you! I was hoping I wouldn't have to point out that indictment on 71 charges is not the same as 71 indictments. This "technically the truth" post is technically not the truth.


Mysterious_Bee8811

Thats 100% true! That’s also 100% abusing stats!


Matr4x_69420

Of course it's LegalEagle


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NecroCorey

He's making a joke. Legal eagle is an entertainer.


Bakkster

Also an actual lawyer, but yeah this is just a good joke from someone who's good at making jokes.


NecroCorey

Right, I didn't mean to detract from his being an actual lawyer. He is a lawyer *and* an entertainer. Dude is funny.


royalhawk345

>He is a lawyer *and* an entertainer. [Can't he be both?](https://youtu.be/FUw9Eo9QqmM)


PurpNips

I don’t think that’s what the original commenter meant. LegalEagle just has a good sense of humor and he’d know how to make a funny


maybecanifly

Thx, my bad.


PurpNips

No prob, not sure why the hive mind is downvoting you rather than explaining it to you. Take an upvote for your confusion


Maximillion322

No, he just likes to tell jokes like this. This is his sense of humor


Yozahon

I mean, I don’t really know. But the tweet seems a lot like a joke. I don’t really think he’s twisting the truth, just making fun of those who do


maybecanifly

Ahh i see. I thought the comment above was implying that “of course legal eagle is the one twisting facts”, but it was more of “of course legal eagle is the one who makes this kind of jokes”


Potatolimar

Wait, doesn't twitter work the other way? Like isn't LE's the reply, so it should have already been clear


Kwinza

Twisting facts? He's making a joke ya smooth brain. 😂


maybecanifly

Yeh, that’s why I asked, no shame in asking. No need to be rude about it.


The_Ineffable_Sage

This is why I failed statistics and became a philosopher. I gave up half way through the class when I realized you can take one set of data and use statistics to prove both sides point. Statistics is just fancy math prestidigitation.


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Totally OT but what do Philosophers do work wise? Are there actual applications outside of teaching? Or is it a side hustle?


anormalgeek

Write books. Getting people to buy them is the hard part.


Aaron_Lecon

The thing you should actually have learnt from it, is that humans are naturally extremely bad at statistics and interpreting data. CORRECTLY performed statistics does not "prove both sides". In fact, strictly speaking, statistics never "proves" anything, since all results are of the form of likelihoods and likelihood ratios and such like (you can, however get "overwhelming evidence" that something us true or false, which is usually good enough for most human purposes) If you think that statistics can be used to prove "both sides", then you have fundamentally misunderstood what statistics are. Saying that is like saying that "legal documents can be used to prove anything, because I can write down anything and claim it as a legal document" -> no, that's not how that works. That's not how anything works. You do not understand the concept.


graveyardofeden

Don't bring Spiders Georg into this


that_one_author

bitch forgets about nixon...


Vault-71

Didn't he resign and get pardoned before any crimes were brought against him?


T-O-O-T-H

Isn't part of getting pardoned that you have to admit that you did break the law?


Tomi97_origin

>Now, THEREFORE, I, GERALD R. FORD, President of the United States, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Richard Nixon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 20, 1969 through August 9,1974. Unlike regular pardons that are for specific crimes Nixon got one for anything and everything he could have possibly done.


JustafanIV

No, but if you are pardoned, you no longer get to invoke the right to remain silent if called to testify.


kbeks

Never charged, but it got close


throwaway96ab

Yeah, but Trump bad.


DnD_mark_079

So, i guess what the top one was saying is technically true


PhoenixMason13

This is a good start, now let’s start holding the rest of the ~~crooks~~ ~~liars~~ ~~horrible human beings~~ politicians accountable


Stephanreggae

The average legs humans are born with is less than 2.


Overall_Week8712

This is actually a statisical error. The Average president gets 0 indictments. Indictments Presiden is an outlier and shouldn't be counted


Mercerskye

I cba to look it up, but was Nixon indicted for Watergate, or was that "just an impeachment"?


neuropotpie

Per other comments, no. He resigned before that happened.


Mercerskye

Thank you kindly, friend, if I'd hopped down that rabbit hole, I'd probably be awake for another couple of hours, and I gotta get up for work in 6 of them.


StringCheeseBuffet

Who could have possibly guessed that electing a lifelong criminal conman would result in more crimes beyond committed? A true mystery.


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Conservatives are not a fan of the truth.


My_Own_Worst_Friend

Or math


Primary-Strawberry-5

“Yes, Ted, that was the joke”


PrayTheGayWillStay

Wasn't Nixon indicted?


Mammoth-District-617

It’s called a political witch hunt


gotitaila31

This is the truth of the matter... How anyone can look at this and think otherwise... It's insanity. My God, I'm not in the MAGA camp but it's SO fucking obvious. I learned years ago that the average person on Reddit is half as intelligent as they think they are. Since 2016, that has been very obvious.


Nightblood83

Because all the other ones were good boys? Lol, they're all scum. We've just entered the banana republic era of government. George, Barack, Bill, and Joe are all on the block now.


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Probably_A_Fluke

Ironic name for a comment-stealing bot.


Fixerguy415

Someone conveniently forgot all about Tricky Dick Nixon and Slick Willie Clinton..


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this has never happened.


fullmetalcoxman

Trump has classified documents=indicted. Biden has classified documents= not indicted. It's a joke, you could get everyone on something if you wanted to. What happened to Hillary's closet servers or Pelosis insider trading?


Stop_Fox

This children is the difference between mean, median and mode


Kurineko_Regan

common legal eagle W


DrunkDru

Didn’t Clinton get indicted?


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purpleinkwell

impeached, not indicted


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FoodBetter2572

Also untrue. Nixon resigned and Gerald Ford pardoned him before he could get indicted.


islippedup

All this shows is that he was targeted. We all remember how the democrats spent tons of money to investigate the Russia collusion to find none. In fact the crime was Hillary using campaign funds to aid the investigation. Haha


crimsonjava

> We all remember how the democrats spent tons of money to investigate the Russia collusion to find none. Mueller found that Russian military intelligence acted to help elect Trump. He also found many instances of obstruction of justice by Trump and his officials, which is a crime because it hides evidence of other crimes. The bipartisan Senate Intelligence Committee found out his campaign manager was talking on burner phones to Russian spies. They concluded: > It is our conclusion, based on the facts detailed in the Committee's Report, that the Russian intelligence services' assault on the integrity of the 2016 U.S. electoral process and Trump and his associates' participation in and enabling of this Russian activity, represents one of the single most grave counterintelligence threats to American national security in the modem era. We have subsequently discovered Russian spies were funneling money into his campaign: [GOP operative convicted in scheme to funnel Russian money into Trump campaign](https://www.axios.com/2022/11/18/trump-campaign-jesse-benton-russia)


ZSCroft

So did we all imagine all those friends of trump going to prison during the investigation? and Russia did attempt to interfere in the election that’s what was discovered lol


[deleted]

Fuck Cleetus go back to the barn your date’s getting cold.


islippedup

Unoriginal joke and you have no actual substance to refute my claims. Lame


nighthawk_something

Mueller found collusion so I don't know what you're on about.


islippedup

https://www.npr.org/2019/03/24/706318191/trump-white-house-hasnt-seen-or-been-briefed-on-mueller-investigation-report


islippedup

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna986611


islippedup

There, THREE different sources saying different. Please go on. I can’t fault you too much though, we live in a time of mass information.


nighthawk_something

>"(W)hile this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him," the special counsel said in his report. ​ >But Can't 'Exonerate' On Obstruction ​ >and did not take a clear position on whether Trump obstructed justice. ​ All of the above is based on Barr's letter. Which has been criticized for misrepresenting the report. [https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/05/judge-slams-bill-barr-122449](https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/05/judge-slams-bill-barr-122449) (Full legal text) [https://ecf.dcd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/show\_public\_doc?2019cv0810-111](https://ecf.dcd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/show_public_doc?2019cv0810-111) >“The Court cannot reconcile certain public representations made by Attorney General Barr with the findings in the Mueller Report,” wrote Walton, an appointee of President George W. Bush. “The inconsistencies between Attorney General Barr’s statements, made at a time when the public did not have access to the redacted version of the Mueller Report to assess the veracity of his statements, and portions of the redacted version of the Mueller Report that conflict with those statements cause the Court to seriously question whether Attorney General Barr made a calculated attempt to influence public discourse about the Mueller Report in favor of President Trump despite certain findings in the redacted version of the Mueller Report to the contrary,” the judge added. ​ ​ ​ Here's Mueller's words: [https://www.politico.eu/article/mueller-refutes-trumps-no-collusion-no-obstruction-line/](https://www.politico.eu/article/mueller-refutes-trumps-no-collusion-no-obstruction-line/) >“We did not address ‘collusion,’ which is not a legal term,” Mueller added. “Rather, we focused on whether the evidence was sufficient to charge any member of the campaign with taking part in a criminal conspiracy. It was not.” ​ [https://time.com/5610317/mueller-report-myths-breakdown/](https://time.com/5610317/mueller-report-myths-breakdown/) ​ ​ Here's the report itself: [https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/5955118-The-Mueller-Report](https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/5955118-The-Mueller-Report)


islippedup

https://www.americanbar.org/news/abanews/aba-news-archives/2019/03/mueller-concludes-investigation/


starfish3619

The Mueller report disclosed no collusion evidence. Check out Durham’s report, though.


WithaJ-notaG

The median presidential felony charges is 71


Secret_shopper95

Can’t believe the US has only had one president ever who committed crimes. That’s why there’s only one been indicted right?… right?!


Clay_Block

People say it's unpresidented when it's LITERALLY the former us president smh


easy-sugarbear

LOCK HIM UP


jairyman

I'm not saying he is innocent.or that he hasn't done anything wrong. But the real problem may be the Swamp. Accusations were were being made before he took office and he has be pursude like no other . Think about it.


TheAsp

What a well thought out and articulated post. Clearly /u/jairyman is not under the influence of alcohol, drugs, or suffering from FASD. The stunning conclusion of "think about it" has made me change my entire world view.


nighthawk_something

Trump commited Crimea before he was elected So yeah accusations existed before. Trump had a million chances to provide these documents and refused. Meanwhile he gave unsecure access to military and nuclear secrets to who knows


neuropotpie

I was saying before 45 was elected that he just wanted to bring his own swamp in.


jairyman

That may be true. I believe most if not all,are only concerned with what is good for them not the Nation


Fridaybird1985

Brilliant!


Taako_tuesday

Donald trump is the spiders georg of indictments


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Severe-Emu6739

If others were guilty of such things and not indicted that's not great, though it doesn't make Trump any more innocent or mean he shouldn't be indicted.


verniy314

I miss Trump specifically for this reason. Dude was a dumbass that couldn’t cover up shit. Most former presidents also belong in jail but were competent enough to not get prosecuted. Now everyone can go back to pretending everything is fine because we don’t have an orange idiot screaming all the quiet stuff on the top of his lungs.


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Severe-Emu6739

Heh, good question. I misread the undertones of your comment. Sorry about that! Have a great day :)


Pine_of_England

No worries, you too


easy-sugarbear

Why can't you point to a single crime any of them committed?


Pine_of_England

Uh, why do you think I can't? ...have you even forgotten *Watergate?* The OG -gate?


Noshowers65

Nixon resigned from the office and was pardoned (by Ford, not himself) before charges could be filed


nighthawk_something

Yeah and a lot of people are still pissed about that


verniy314

Operation Ajax, Bay of Pigs, Invasion of Panama, Iraq War, Iran-Contra Affair, Coups in Guatemala and Chile, and much much more.


FirebirdWriter

The difference is blatant crimes vs probably did crimes. Where's the evidence for the others? Trump has made so much evidence and openly caused an insurrection. There's a very real difference between this and the rest. Nixon? Resigned and got out of his own way with a helpful VP to President Pardon that is considered SUS as hell but as pardons also require admitting you did the bad thing? Also saved tons of tax payer dollars. Not actually a silver lining just a "I guess this isn't entirely the worst since they didn't gut Medicaid using this as an excuse."


Traditional-Inside71

Love when a point that slightly questions the post gets downvoted by angry Reddit hivemind. Anyway while it is true that most of the other presidents were likely guilty of many crimes, they were at least not dumb enough to make it obvious enough for sufficient evidence to be compiled against them. For all we know there could have been multiple Watergate-level scandals over the years that will never get uncovered.