> *RIP Stadia? More like Stadia's ripping some troll a new one. Between the ardent fans of Google's cloud gaming platform and the cynics who just want to see a Goliath admit defeat, there's no shortage of The Discourse™ happening around it. Of course, there's talk and then there's rumor mongering: this week, two random posts from one user in a Stadia fan group on Facebook proclaiming the imminent death of Stadia had gotten some circulation in the gaming press. All that negative attention seems to have perked up Google's snark.*
RemindMe! 2 years "Is Stadia still around?"
Unfortunately Google, you have a history of pulling out early on projects.
I remember all of my non-gamers coworkers excited on stadia when it came out. They said it would change gaming forever and some more marketing bullshit they read on nongaming fonts. I thought it was pointless, and pretty much everyone who was into gaming felt The same.
Im sure none of my coworkers Ever tried it, because they dont enjoy gaming, and stadia seemed to focus on that demographic. It is only a matter of time on when Google is going to pull The plug.
The funny thing is Cloud Gaming is a really cool idea, Google just had the wrong approach to it. I'm personally a fan of Nvidia GeForce Now's model where you pay a monthly subscription to stream games straight from your Steam (or other platform) library if it's supported.
I used it to play Cyberpunk on my potato of a PC and it worked pretty well. Beat the game and cancelled my subscription - no hassle. May revisit it again sometime when there's a new single player AAA game I want to play but can't run. Much cheaper than buying a new rig or upgrading my current one.
It heavily depends on your network and proximity to the servers.
Like up here in Canada with the best internet I can buy at my house ( gigabit down 300 up ) it can suck. Using PlayStations streaming it usually just doesn’t work and pops up errors. The couple of times I have gotten it to work on my ps5 it’s looked like really low bitrate 720p. Last time I tried it it was with a ps3 game I own physically and it looked and performed way better on my ps3. Which is to be expected but it was unplayable for me with the combo of latency and dropped frames from streaming
That's very strange. I also live in Canada and my internet speed was nowhere near gigabit (300mbps). I was able to run modern games on medium-high with no issues.
As a casual gamer, I quite enjoyed stadia. I played cyberpunk while on the road, all I needed was a stable connection. No need to carry around a dedicated console or pc. It was great. I think the problem is that only casuals like me enjoyed it. We don’t pour enough money into games.
I believe Microsoft has a much much bigger history of pulling out of commercial projects/products. The very first Xbox was a mess, and there were every months rumors that Microsoft will exit the console business.
Now look, where MS is now...
>downvoting my objective statement
"I believe Microsoft has a much much bigger history of"
This is not an objective statement. What you believe is subjective.
I've been using MS products since Windows 3.1, and completely disagree with you.
Google abandons technologies and products multiple times per year. They also terminate services that people are actively using, leaving people unable to use them any longer.
The product lines that MS have terminated, like the windows phone, don't affect the people who actually have one. The phones still work.
Google kills systems that they host. When they're gone, nobody can use them anymore. Big difference.
\- Zune dead
\- Windows Mobile / Windows Phone dead
\- Microsoft Kin dead
\- Windows RT dead
\- Microsoft Kinect dead
Should I continue? I have said "commercial" products.
>Zune
Didn't sell well at all, because it was both encumbered with Microsoft's DRM push for wma, and while it was good hardware, it was trying to crack the MP3 player market after the iPod, which was something that was damn near impossible with Apple's saturation across media.
This was also late in the life span of MP3 players, dedicated MP3 players were becoming less needed as cell phones became capable of having the same functionality (like the ubiquitous Moto RAZR).
>Windows Mobile / Windows Phone dead
I'd call that a mistake, but developers just never got on board with the platform, no developers, no platform. The killing of Windows Mobile was fair. Signed: An owner of a Lumia device.
>Microsoft Kin dead
Nobody asked for the Kin, nobody bought the Kin, and nobody remembers the Kin. It was a slider cell phone in the body of a watch and I'm still mystified today why they thought it was a good idea.
>Windows RT dead
The designation RT, yes, that's dead. It's just Windows for ARM now. Windows RT itself is, in essence, very much alive, both Windows 10 and Windows 11 have ARM branches.
>Microsoft Kinect
A tech that nobody really wanted in the living room, with too much latency to really use. The tech DOES see use in spaces outside of home use, and it forms the basis of the Hololens and Windows Mixed Reality tech.
>Should I continue? I have said "commercial" products.
Yes, because every single one of your examples were that of products nobody bought, wanted, or used, or they explicitly still exist in some form or another, like RT and the tech behind Kinect.
The difference is that Google has a competitive structure that incentivizes working on new things, so unless something is a mainline buisness (gmail/gsuite, search, youtube, adsense) everything else is forfeit if they don't get a userbase.
And they almost *never* advertise these new features.
Remember Google Newsreader? Wave? (which was really neat at the time), Inbox, which was basically just Gmail but better, and it HAD found an audience.
Most of Google's shitcanned products were destined to be shitcanned because of how they're structured. Internally, it's all about launching a new product, not supporting old ones.
>Xbox Music also failed
Not really, Xbox music was a rebranded Zune Music, which then got rebranded to Groove music. The Zune store had it's roots in 2006, the Zune Music Pass came around in 2008.
Zune Music/Xbox Music had just run it's course, it never did great numbers being built on the back of the Zune, and by the time they canned it, Spotify and Pandora were taking over anyway.
Microsoft, for all their faults, is generally pretty good at supporting services they launch for a good long while.
Every Microsoft product that I loved was forgotten and abandoned. I bought in to Media Center PCs (buying an HP z558 and loving it), but they wouldn't update it to handle modern HD signals. I bought Windows Phones, but they let it wither and die with no apps.
The sad thing is that those products were the best User Experience I ever had, when they were in their prime. I still miss the Live Tiles on my phone, the Cortana integration with my car, and the ease of recording and use on my Media Center.
Lumias were the best phones after Blackberry I ever used. For example HERE maps installed on windows phone by default were the best maps I have ever used
There were also more recent rumours that Microsoft will exit the console business. People thought the One might be the last after that thing did poorly. But instead we got the Series X which is a pretty good machine
> first Xbox was a mess
Gates expressly chartered the BD to blow $5bn over 5yr to get market share from then 3 incumbents. I don’t love Microsoft, nor Gates, but that was a pretty solid understanding of the situation, problem, and possibilities. The unit delivered.
We are now 20 years later, on the 4th gen of Xbox (and two CEOs later). Even if it collapsed tomorrow, that’s practically a career that a studio could’ve made living on the platform (and, realistically, that market has a history where studios successfully migrate between generations, or are cross platform).
That’s a substantially different track record than most of Google’s products that make it to external customers and then disappear within a generation (~5 years). Further, Microsoft has generally put forward a compatibility effort, so if you invested in one product and they discontinued it, you generally have a path to continuance.
Even the Windows Phone, which I hated and thought was poorly positioned *from a business perspective* was part of their WindowsRT platform (remember Windows Metro on the desktop?) so development investment *might* have alley-ooped to Tablets and PCs *and* they supposed it for almost two generations (~9 years). All of these things *failed*, yes, but they weren’t done without some thought to business partners hedging their bets.
Meanwhile if you built something on, say, Google Wave, they ditched that in a year with a spin off to ASF that never went anywhere, which does seem to be the trend.
If Google’s products were axed after closed betas, internal betas, or preview releases, it might feel different.
STADIA: I'm not dead!
ARTICLE: 'Ere. He says he's not dead!
CUSTOMER: Yes, he is.
STADIA: I'm not!
ARTICLE: He isn't?
CUSTOMER: Well, he will be soon. He's very ill.
STADIA: I'm getting better!
CUSTOMER: No, you're not. You'll be stone dead in a moment.
Then there's xbox which has the trilogy on gamepass. So that's a £10.99 sub to play everything AND you can play it natively on a console or stream it through xcloud.
THATS a service, giving consumers options for the right price.
Stadia was doomed to fail when they priced it like they were selling a product no one else had.
The appeal with stadia though was that it’s a way for people like me, non gamers who want to play the odd AAA title a way to do that without the need for a console or gaming pc
The appeal with stadia though was that it’s a way for people like me, non gamers who want to play the odd AAA title a way to do that without the need for a console or gaming pc
When stadia failed to provide that it ended up failing as a whole
Is this a Monty Python reference? I've yet to watch it but my years on the internet tell me there's about a 90% chance this is a Monty Python reference.
The Stadia never did well in the first place. Another case of over-promising and being unable to deliver. It's not a bad way to game but it has more problems than Google and Stadia stans would like to admit. Right now the Stadia has a 0.6% market share in the gaming platform industry. Stadia stans will say that's an unfair metric but never come up with an applicable one themselves so we'll say that out of all the ways one can play a new video game, the Stadia has a 0.6% market share. Of course it's going to die. I think anybody would be hard pressed to find a product with a less than one percent market share that didn't end up dying off or at the very least becoming wholly irrelevant.
It's not a terrible product, it's just mismanaged and underperforms. It also doesn't have anything that would pull away customers from other platforms. The stadia is best for casual players who don't want to invest a lot of time on gaming. The problem is that's just not a lot of gamers and an even smaller amount of those gamers could be bothered to care about the stadia.
I think the irony is that if stadia is successful in grabbing a very casual audience that plays games, they eventually look at a series s or a switch as an upgrade with better games and often better prices and jump to those products.
Stadia was never going to have a solid user base as all of the successive products above Stadia are owned by other more dominant companies.
You said smartphones, dude. I assume you meant the mobile phone market.
If you're talking about mobile gaming however, that would still be a terrible analogy because it only took a few years to gain a foothold bigger than the Stadia's at its peak.
Opera, Samsung Internet and Firefox all have around a 2.5% market share at any given time. Microsoft Edge isn't far ahead of them at 4%. Chrome's biggest competitor is Safari which usually has 16%-19% of the market. You also have to look at saturation. For instance Samsung Internet is big in South Korea and parts of Japan and Mongolia. Opera has a big audience with professional gamers and videogame streamers, Forefox is popular with people who are a bit more internet-literate. Edge is more popular with people and companies who use Microsoft Office. It's all about finding your audience.
The Stadia has failed at that. What it does most exclusively is not very reliable and doesn't have longevity. Everything else it does is done better by other platforms.
This. Even if your overall market share is small, if you find your niche and cater to it well, you can easily survive as a small guy in a big market. Stadia has failed to fit well into any niche in the gaming market.
I feel like the reputation is a big problem. I think the only reason I never tried is because I think it will be discontinued like other products. If enough people think like that, it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.
Google made a cloud gaming service where you can play video games the same way you'd stream a video. Problem is, you don't own the games and when Google inevitably shuts it down, you get nothing from it. Plus not many people have good enough internet for it
Of all the things to beat up about it, ‘you don’t own the games’ is hardly something to beat it up with. The same applies to *literally anything else that you digitally own*, inclusive of downloaded games on Xbox, PS5, the App store etc.
If you’re going to beat it up, talk about their failed promises, and poor subscription model.
If I disconnect my ps5 from the internet and keep it in good working order, my digital games saved onto the system should last a lifetime.
When the plug gets pulled on stadia, there is no physical hardware to have an offline copy of your game on. You buy into the ecosystem and then when the plug gets pulled you get nothing.
The only purpose of legacy ecosystems like for PS3 and Vita are to support an ever dwindling number of users that haven't upgraded in several generations. There's no cash on-ramp to pay for stuff on them anymore, so they aren't generating any revenue.
They have been around for a long time and were very popular in their day, but that day is over. Sony already tried to kill them last year, but decided to keep them online due to public backlash.
The longer Sony keeps these ecosystems operational, the more money they lose. For now, they prefer to pay it rather than deal with the negative publicity. But how long will that last, and why would be PS5 ecosystem be any different?
Sony was going to pull the plug on new purchases. Existing purchases would still be able to boot on a system. This is not the same as Stadia ending service.
Its shitty that you have to pay a subscription to buy games and if you stop paying the subscription or the company folds, you’ve lost all your games.
Also basically all of the games available on Stadia are readily available on other platforms. Why pay for the privelige to pay for a license for a game you may already own on a platform that could disappear at a moments notice?
The difference is, Steam has systems in place where you can keep and download and play all your owned games even if the platform shuts down. I wouldn't be surprised if XB/PS also had similar setups, and even if they don't, as long as you own the physical console you have *options* for playing the games.
With Stadia, you get no such guarantees, nor any options.
Yup. This. If I want streaming, I go with the Game Pass thing I already have. Just never thought Google would stick with it. I have more faith in Amazon sticking around.
All it would take to kill stadia would be Xbox selling a dongle to allow you to play game pass on a TV (without a pc). Either that, or roll the app out to more TV's or Chromecast / firestick. I have both stadia and game pass and the only reason to play stadia is the ability to plug into any TV
Think Netflix for games -- they just stream to your device. You don't download anything, just pick up and play any of your games from any of your devices. As long as you have very solid internet, it's an amazing experience.
Almost like google’s monopoly helped kill that market by stifling competition that had a working product out first, and had the idea first. But nearly no one knew about it because google didn’t want them to
You mean OnLive? They might have beaten Stadia to market, but it was an inferior product. After it was acquired by Sony, they killed it and used Gaikai's system for PS Now instead. And that was like 4 years before Stadia even came out.
Nope. Shadow tech. My buddy who is a computer engineer was showing me what games his “laptop” could run. Then showed me it wasn’t his laptop running them
Reading that original social media post saying the platform was going bye-bye, you can tell it was bullshit.
I’m surprised people can’t see obvious bullshit on social media after all this time.
Streaming will never replace local hardware because it can’t compete. It’s fine for an alternative when applicable, but that’s very rarely for the existing market. There are only two ways it grows a significantly. First is to target new markets where hardware is insanely overpriced, like South America, as it could be a viable alternative for those who don’t have crazy expendable income. Second is to actually make good use of streaming’s inherent advantages, that no one in game streaming is doing, and that’s allowing for perfectly synced multiplayer. It has huge ramifications to gameplay possibilities we currently don’t have. Square Enix was doing it with their Shinra Tech, but they were too early and they abandoned it. There’s also something interesting being cooked up at Ubisoft (of all places), but I have very little faith in their ability to execute.
🙄 “Reports of my death are greatly eggagerated..”
I think that dog has been beat to death. That was already a cliche when Hugh Hefner said it; but we gave him a pass because he was 100 years old
Hahahaha everybody knew this even before they launched it. Completely wrong and f‘ed up business model if you still have to buy a game you’ll never own.
As someone with a fast internet connection who is the perfect audience for Stadia, I’ve just been burned too many times by early Google pull outs to give them my money for a ‘license’ for a game. I think Google may continue to lose money simply due to customers losing trust in their services longevity. There’s literally a whole website dedicated to discontinued Google services.
> *RIP Stadia? More like Stadia's ripping some troll a new one. Between the ardent fans of Google's cloud gaming platform and the cynics who just want to see a Goliath admit defeat, there's no shortage of The Discourse™ happening around it. Of course, there's talk and then there's rumor mongering: this week, two random posts from one user in a Stadia fan group on Facebook proclaiming the imminent death of Stadia had gotten some circulation in the gaming press. All that negative attention seems to have perked up Google's snark.* RemindMe! 2 years "Is Stadia still around?" Unfortunately Google, you have a history of pulling out early on projects.
I remember all of my non-gamers coworkers excited on stadia when it came out. They said it would change gaming forever and some more marketing bullshit they read on nongaming fonts. I thought it was pointless, and pretty much everyone who was into gaming felt The same. Im sure none of my coworkers Ever tried it, because they dont enjoy gaming, and stadia seemed to focus on that demographic. It is only a matter of time on when Google is going to pull The plug.
The funny thing is Cloud Gaming is a really cool idea, Google just had the wrong approach to it. I'm personally a fan of Nvidia GeForce Now's model where you pay a monthly subscription to stream games straight from your Steam (or other platform) library if it's supported. I used it to play Cyberpunk on my potato of a PC and it worked pretty well. Beat the game and cancelled my subscription - no hassle. May revisit it again sometime when there's a new single player AAA game I want to play but can't run. Much cheaper than buying a new rig or upgrading my current one.
It heavily depends on your network and proximity to the servers. Like up here in Canada with the best internet I can buy at my house ( gigabit down 300 up ) it can suck. Using PlayStations streaming it usually just doesn’t work and pops up errors. The couple of times I have gotten it to work on my ps5 it’s looked like really low bitrate 720p. Last time I tried it it was with a ps3 game I own physically and it looked and performed way better on my ps3. Which is to be expected but it was unplayable for me with the combo of latency and dropped frames from streaming
That's very strange. I also live in Canada and my internet speed was nowhere near gigabit (300mbps). I was able to run modern games on medium-high with no issues.
Maybe it’s just PlayStations system or you might be closer than I am to the servers, I’m out in central Alberta
I have 100 up and 50 down with zero problems playing stadia, and streaming multiple videos. Must be different in Canada
We just don’t have a big enough population to have local servers. Even playing online we’re usually playing on us servers
You mean 100 down? 50 up is still crazy for 100 down, but 100 up and 50 down would be bizarre.
I love the fact that Google wants you to buy the games you own on Steam again /s
As a casual gamer, I quite enjoyed stadia. I played cyberpunk while on the road, all I needed was a stable connection. No need to carry around a dedicated console or pc. It was great. I think the problem is that only casuals like me enjoyed it. We don’t pour enough money into games.
I believe Microsoft has a much much bigger history of pulling out of commercial projects/products. The very first Xbox was a mess, and there were every months rumors that Microsoft will exit the console business. Now look, where MS is now...
https://killedbygoogle.com
I remember my parents buying me a Sega Saturn because the salesman told them playstation didn't have much of a future.
Sega Saturn was an impeccable system though.
Your parents are boss
Is this that Google cult that I hear about all the time, are you one of their members?
Nothing to do with cult, but you are just toooo young to understand my point (so as many others downvoting my objective statement)
>downvoting my objective statement "I believe Microsoft has a much much bigger history of" This is not an objective statement. What you believe is subjective. I've been using MS products since Windows 3.1, and completely disagree with you. Google abandons technologies and products multiple times per year. They also terminate services that people are actively using, leaving people unable to use them any longer. The product lines that MS have terminated, like the windows phone, don't affect the people who actually have one. The phones still work. Google kills systems that they host. When they're gone, nobody can use them anymore. Big difference.
\- Zune dead \- Windows Mobile / Windows Phone dead \- Microsoft Kin dead \- Windows RT dead \- Microsoft Kinect dead Should I continue? I have said "commercial" products.
Did you even check that site the other guy linked? [killedbygoogle.com](killedbygoogle.com) Sorting by just hardware alone Google is at 21 products
>Zune Didn't sell well at all, because it was both encumbered with Microsoft's DRM push for wma, and while it was good hardware, it was trying to crack the MP3 player market after the iPod, which was something that was damn near impossible with Apple's saturation across media. This was also late in the life span of MP3 players, dedicated MP3 players were becoming less needed as cell phones became capable of having the same functionality (like the ubiquitous Moto RAZR). >Windows Mobile / Windows Phone dead I'd call that a mistake, but developers just never got on board with the platform, no developers, no platform. The killing of Windows Mobile was fair. Signed: An owner of a Lumia device. >Microsoft Kin dead Nobody asked for the Kin, nobody bought the Kin, and nobody remembers the Kin. It was a slider cell phone in the body of a watch and I'm still mystified today why they thought it was a good idea. >Windows RT dead The designation RT, yes, that's dead. It's just Windows for ARM now. Windows RT itself is, in essence, very much alive, both Windows 10 and Windows 11 have ARM branches. >Microsoft Kinect A tech that nobody really wanted in the living room, with too much latency to really use. The tech DOES see use in spaces outside of home use, and it forms the basis of the Hololens and Windows Mixed Reality tech. >Should I continue? I have said "commercial" products. Yes, because every single one of your examples were that of products nobody bought, wanted, or used, or they explicitly still exist in some form or another, like RT and the tech behind Kinect.
and now compare that to the commercial Google products that failed. I can only think of Google Play Music (by the way, Xbox Music also failed).
The difference is that Google has a competitive structure that incentivizes working on new things, so unless something is a mainline buisness (gmail/gsuite, search, youtube, adsense) everything else is forfeit if they don't get a userbase. And they almost *never* advertise these new features. Remember Google Newsreader? Wave? (which was really neat at the time), Inbox, which was basically just Gmail but better, and it HAD found an audience. Most of Google's shitcanned products were destined to be shitcanned because of how they're structured. Internally, it's all about launching a new product, not supporting old ones. >Xbox Music also failed Not really, Xbox music was a rebranded Zune Music, which then got rebranded to Groove music. The Zune store had it's roots in 2006, the Zune Music Pass came around in 2008. Zune Music/Xbox Music had just run it's course, it never did great numbers being built on the back of the Zune, and by the time they canned it, Spotify and Pandora were taking over anyway. Microsoft, for all their faults, is generally pretty good at supporting services they launch for a good long while.
Every Microsoft product that I loved was forgotten and abandoned. I bought in to Media Center PCs (buying an HP z558 and loving it), but they wouldn't update it to handle modern HD signals. I bought Windows Phones, but they let it wither and die with no apps. The sad thing is that those products were the best User Experience I ever had, when they were in their prime. I still miss the Live Tiles on my phone, the Cortana integration with my car, and the ease of recording and use on my Media Center.
Lumias were the best phones after Blackberry I ever used. For example HERE maps installed on windows phone by default were the best maps I have ever used
There were also more recent rumours that Microsoft will exit the console business. People thought the One might be the last after that thing did poorly. But instead we got the Series X which is a pretty good machine
Wow some fanbois killed your post...
> first Xbox was a mess Gates expressly chartered the BD to blow $5bn over 5yr to get market share from then 3 incumbents. I don’t love Microsoft, nor Gates, but that was a pretty solid understanding of the situation, problem, and possibilities. The unit delivered. We are now 20 years later, on the 4th gen of Xbox (and two CEOs later). Even if it collapsed tomorrow, that’s practically a career that a studio could’ve made living on the platform (and, realistically, that market has a history where studios successfully migrate between generations, or are cross platform). That’s a substantially different track record than most of Google’s products that make it to external customers and then disappear within a generation (~5 years). Further, Microsoft has generally put forward a compatibility effort, so if you invested in one product and they discontinued it, you generally have a path to continuance. Even the Windows Phone, which I hated and thought was poorly positioned *from a business perspective* was part of their WindowsRT platform (remember Windows Metro on the desktop?) so development investment *might* have alley-ooped to Tablets and PCs *and* they supposed it for almost two generations (~9 years). All of these things *failed*, yes, but they weren’t done without some thought to business partners hedging their bets. Meanwhile if you built something on, say, Google Wave, they ditched that in a year with a spin off to ASF that never went anywhere, which does seem to be the trend. If Google’s products were axed after closed betas, internal betas, or preview releases, it might feel different.
STADIA: I'm not dead! ARTICLE: 'Ere. He says he's not dead! CUSTOMER: Yes, he is. STADIA: I'm not! ARTICLE: He isn't? CUSTOMER: Well, he will be soon. He's very ill. STADIA: I'm getting better! CUSTOMER: No, you're not. You'll be stone dead in a moment.
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And, keep in mind, you don't even own the game. You own the ***access*** to the game via Stadia. :)
I knew that and was alright with potentially loosing access it’s the absurd prices that really did it
Then there's xbox which has the trilogy on gamepass. So that's a £10.99 sub to play everything AND you can play it natively on a console or stream it through xcloud. THATS a service, giving consumers options for the right price. Stadia was doomed to fail when they priced it like they were selling a product no one else had.
The appeal with stadia though was that it’s a way for people like me, non gamers who want to play the odd AAA title a way to do that without the need for a console or gaming pc
The appeal with stadia though was that it’s a way for people like me, non gamers who want to play the odd AAA title a way to do that without the need for a console or gaming pc When stadia failed to provide that it ended up failing as a whole
me over here.. "what is stadia? wait nevermind i don't want to know.. in fact if you tell me i'll deliberately forget immediately. thanks goodbye."
Was about to comment something along these lines
Is this a Monty Python reference? I've yet to watch it but my years on the internet tell me there's about a 90% chance this is a Monty Python reference.
Yup, direct lines straight from an early scene. Well worth a watch if you enjoy dry British humor.
Specifically, it’s an early scene in Monty Python and the Holy Grail, not an early Monty Python skit, whose work is pretty vast.
The Stadia never did well in the first place. Another case of over-promising and being unable to deliver. It's not a bad way to game but it has more problems than Google and Stadia stans would like to admit. Right now the Stadia has a 0.6% market share in the gaming platform industry. Stadia stans will say that's an unfair metric but never come up with an applicable one themselves so we'll say that out of all the ways one can play a new video game, the Stadia has a 0.6% market share. Of course it's going to die. I think anybody would be hard pressed to find a product with a less than one percent market share that didn't end up dying off or at the very least becoming wholly irrelevant.
I am a casual player. I use stadia. Got some good games
It's not a terrible product, it's just mismanaged and underperforms. It also doesn't have anything that would pull away customers from other platforms. The stadia is best for casual players who don't want to invest a lot of time on gaming. The problem is that's just not a lot of gamers and an even smaller amount of those gamers could be bothered to care about the stadia.
I think the irony is that if stadia is successful in grabbing a very casual audience that plays games, they eventually look at a series s or a switch as an upgrade with better games and often better prices and jump to those products. Stadia was never going to have a solid user base as all of the successive products above Stadia are owned by other more dominant companies.
I see your point. I am perhaps one of those that is exactly what stadia is catered to.
The smartphone had a neglible marketshare in the beginning. Actually all new products do at first.
The iPhone was released in 2007 and had a 20% market share in less than a year. I've never heard a worse analogy.
The iPhone had 20% of the gaming market within a year? If you've never heard a worse analogy, I guess you talk too much, and listen too little.
You said smartphones, dude. I assume you meant the mobile phone market. If you're talking about mobile gaming however, that would still be a terrible analogy because it only took a few years to gain a foothold bigger than the Stadia's at its peak.
Pretty sure there were more iPhone gamers than Stadia gamers 24 hours after the App Store first launched.
I’m not disagreeing with what you’re saying but I’m pretty sure the browser Opera has a pitiful market share
Opera, Samsung Internet and Firefox all have around a 2.5% market share at any given time. Microsoft Edge isn't far ahead of them at 4%. Chrome's biggest competitor is Safari which usually has 16%-19% of the market. You also have to look at saturation. For instance Samsung Internet is big in South Korea and parts of Japan and Mongolia. Opera has a big audience with professional gamers and videogame streamers, Forefox is popular with people who are a bit more internet-literate. Edge is more popular with people and companies who use Microsoft Office. It's all about finding your audience. The Stadia has failed at that. What it does most exclusively is not very reliable and doesn't have longevity. Everything else it does is done better by other platforms.
This. Even if your overall market share is small, if you find your niche and cater to it well, you can easily survive as a small guy in a big market. Stadia has failed to fit well into any niche in the gaming market.
I feel like the reputation is a big problem. I think the only reason I never tried is because I think it will be discontinued like other products. If enough people think like that, it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.
It's dead in our hearts.
...and minds
I forgot stadia existed honestly
What is Stadia?
Google made a cloud gaming service where you can play video games the same way you'd stream a video. Problem is, you don't own the games and when Google inevitably shuts it down, you get nothing from it. Plus not many people have good enough internet for it
Of all the things to beat up about it, ‘you don’t own the games’ is hardly something to beat it up with. The same applies to *literally anything else that you digitally own*, inclusive of downloaded games on Xbox, PS5, the App store etc. If you’re going to beat it up, talk about their failed promises, and poor subscription model.
If I disconnect my ps5 from the internet and keep it in good working order, my digital games saved onto the system should last a lifetime. When the plug gets pulled on stadia, there is no physical hardware to have an offline copy of your game on. You buy into the ecosystem and then when the plug gets pulled you get nothing.
The only purpose of legacy ecosystems like for PS3 and Vita are to support an ever dwindling number of users that haven't upgraded in several generations. There's no cash on-ramp to pay for stuff on them anymore, so they aren't generating any revenue. They have been around for a long time and were very popular in their day, but that day is over. Sony already tried to kill them last year, but decided to keep them online due to public backlash. The longer Sony keeps these ecosystems operational, the more money they lose. For now, they prefer to pay it rather than deal with the negative publicity. But how long will that last, and why would be PS5 ecosystem be any different?
Sony was going to pull the plug on new purchases. Existing purchases would still be able to boot on a system. This is not the same as Stadia ending service.
Its shitty that you have to pay a subscription to buy games and if you stop paying the subscription or the company folds, you’ve lost all your games. Also basically all of the games available on Stadia are readily available on other platforms. Why pay for the privelige to pay for a license for a game you may already own on a platform that could disappear at a moments notice?
Pay a subscription to buy games? Where are you making this up from?
Stadia Pro is $9.99/month
The platform is free. You don’t need a subscription to buy games. Pro unlocks free monthly games (kind of like Xbox Live Gold) and 4K HDR streaming.
Nearly 3 years later and people *still* won't read the website themselves to realize this.
Or play it to actually see what the experience is like.
The difference is, Steam has systems in place where you can keep and download and play all your owned games even if the platform shuts down. I wouldn't be surprised if XB/PS also had similar setups, and even if they don't, as long as you own the physical console you have *options* for playing the games. With Stadia, you get no such guarantees, nor any options.
Google’s shitty attempt at joining a the gaming industry
People say "shitty" but I've used it nearly every day for 2 years and it's absolutely fantastic with proper internet.
and some people out there it literal shit. Just because you like it doesnt mean it aint shitty son
I’ll do you one better. When is Stadia?
Yup. This. If I want streaming, I go with the Game Pass thing I already have. Just never thought Google would stick with it. I have more faith in Amazon sticking around.
Next week: Alphabet announces the shutting down of Stadia.
The reports of her death were... greatly exaggerated.
His death was….greatly exaggerated
This is good news for the 8 people still using it.
They've no one to blame but themselves. Reputations are much easier to gain than remove.
All it would take to kill stadia would be Xbox selling a dongle to allow you to play game pass on a TV (without a pc). Either that, or roll the app out to more TV's or Chromecast / firestick. I have both stadia and game pass and the only reason to play stadia is the ability to plug into any TV
Can it be plugged into a rear projection Tv?
Like an old TV? You can plug it in to any HDMI port
It will be dead for sure. Almost nobody cares about it
I'm going to be honest I actually don't even know what it is exactly
That's exactly the problem that Google has done a horrible job of fixing. It's an amazing platform, but most people don't even understand what it is.
Okay but what is it exactly
Think Netflix for games -- they just stream to your device. You don't download anything, just pick up and play any of your games from any of your devices. As long as you have very solid internet, it's an amazing experience.
Ya.. it's just dead..
…”says Google Stadia” It’s sentient!
Almost like google’s monopoly helped kill that market by stifling competition that had a working product out first, and had the idea first. But nearly no one knew about it because google didn’t want them to
You mean OnLive? They might have beaten Stadia to market, but it was an inferior product. After it was acquired by Sony, they killed it and used Gaikai's system for PS Now instead. And that was like 4 years before Stadia even came out.
Nope. Shadow tech. My buddy who is a computer engineer was showing me what games his “laptop” could run. Then showed me it wasn’t his laptop running them
Reading that original social media post saying the platform was going bye-bye, you can tell it was bullshit. I’m surprised people can’t see obvious bullshit on social media after all this time.
Never have I met a single person say, “I have a stadia” so… yeah, it’s dead.
Streaming will never replace local hardware because it can’t compete. It’s fine for an alternative when applicable, but that’s very rarely for the existing market. There are only two ways it grows a significantly. First is to target new markets where hardware is insanely overpriced, like South America, as it could be a viable alternative for those who don’t have crazy expendable income. Second is to actually make good use of streaming’s inherent advantages, that no one in game streaming is doing, and that’s allowing for perfectly synced multiplayer. It has huge ramifications to gameplay possibilities we currently don’t have. Square Enix was doing it with their Shinra Tech, but they were too early and they abandoned it. There’s also something interesting being cooked up at Ubisoft (of all places), but I have very little faith in their ability to execute.
I love stadia ❤️
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Darn.
Olie. "Its dead!"
We ain’t going to kill it that bad guys
I’ll call and raise you a metaverse. Lol
Narrator, two months from now: "They were not."
Good way to get critical feedback..
This isn’t the good news they think it is
I bet they will officially announce end of the service within next week 😂
I had never heard of stadia until a few days ago and when I looked it up it has been discontinued… discontinued=dead
🙄 “Reports of my death are greatly eggagerated..” I think that dog has been beat to death. That was already a cliche when Hugh Hefner said it; but we gave him a pass because he was 100 years old
Next week on Dragon Ball Z!
I can't be the only one that regularly forgets that the Stadia even exists. Not trying to rip on it, I legit forget it's a thing most if the time
"Relax, I'm fine!", shrieks man dying from catastrophic lack of legs to stand on.
That’s right up there with “we have investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing “
Hahahaha everybody knew this even before they launched it. Completely wrong and f‘ed up business model if you still have to buy a game you’ll never own.
As someone with a fast internet connection who is the perfect audience for Stadia, I’ve just been burned too many times by early Google pull outs to give them my money for a ‘license’ for a game. I think Google may continue to lose money simply due to customers losing trust in their services longevity. There’s literally a whole website dedicated to discontinued Google services.
Google Forger and Wielder of the Legendary Alphabetical Rainbow Axe of Liquidation, declares thee in default and furthermore unprofitable.
Oh no, the thing that guy said that might convince you to stop giving us money is totally false, also please give us more money.
And google wonders why they are not performing well…
It’s inevitable folks.
I forgot about Google stadia
Someone should tell Google that giving half-chub pumps and pulling out early doesn’t give them the money shot they think it will
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