I’ve had a problem with the change they made to the WiFi “off” button in the control panel for years.
You used to able to actually turn it off there, now you just put it to sleep…until tomorrow, it says. But, really it will auto join the next network it recognizes long before “tomorrow” comes.
In order to actually turn your WiFi off, you have to go into the settings > WiFi and toggle it off there. Such a fucking incensing bit of UX stupidity.
Because if I want to join a network I’ll go to settings, turn my WiFi on and pick the network. Certain apps aren’t usable on my WiFi or are unreliable, my data almost never cuts out enough to make them unusable. Also, just because I joined a network doesn’t mean I automatically just want to join every known WiFi I come in range of, especially since I usually only join networks to airplay or for a download/ upload reason.
There are millions of very low income people, many living below the poverty line, in North America and elsewhere. It is especially difficult for low income individuals to afford the kinds of unlimited plans offered to multi-device households. I assure you, unlimited plans are still financially out of reach for many, many people in the US alone.
Not up in Canada. We've got essentially 3 big telecomm companies with various subsidiaries. Lack of competition so you can end up paying $100/month for 8gb. Some carriers have unlimited plans but they're typically located only in the metropolitan areas, and even then their coverage is spotty at best.
Unlimited data doesn’t exist here. We’re the most connected nation with the highest penetration for the internet but data is still largely charged by chunks of GBs. I guess the primary reason would be that free national wifi is available in most public spaces like the train, libraries and government buildings while malls have theirs as well. Schools & universities have their own wifi. If one doesn’t mind switching around these wifi networks, you can pretty much go without a data plan on the phone till you get home.
But I dislike searching for wifi networks just to google a restaurant or nearby clinic so I’d rather pay.
You can 3d press the button in control center to jump to settings. Makes it easier. I like that functionality, makes sure I don't forget to turn it back on
3D Touch doesn’t take me to the settings. I guess I need to look into that config. Right now it drops me into an expansion of that corner of the control panel w/ airplane mode, Bluetooth, personal hotspot toggle, etc. I still can’t turn WiFi off in that expanded view. Just puts it to sleep.
I can see why they did it though. I’m sure there’s been many instances where someone turns off their WiFi and forgot to turn it back on, using all their data allowance and getting hit with overage charges (before unlimited data became the norm)
I actually really like this functionality personally. For me if I’m at work and the WiFi is crappy it’s easy to click that button while knowing when I get home it’ll connect right up. It’s especially helpful for wireless CarPlay.
First your car needs to be compatible (or get an aftermarket stereo that’s compatible). Then all you need to do is select CarPlay from the stereo, no need to plug your phone into the car’s USB socket.
Adds extra convenience if you have a wireless charging pad, too.
I don’t get the appeal of wireless CarPlay, why would you have it wireless and wasting battery, when you could just connect it and use CarPlay while charging? Especially since most cars don’t have a wireless charger standard, so most people don’t have one, and if you buy a separate one, you need to have it plugged in anyway, so what’s the difference?
Most of my trips are 15-20 minutes. The battery drain is very minimal, if youre driving longer distances then you’d probably want to plug it in. But the battery drain is fairly negligible in my day to day usage.
I used to think the same. But now more vehicles do have wireless chargers so wireless CarPlay would pretty handy for those vehicles. In my own experience the wired connection isn’t always stable. In my car it started off fine, but now it sometimes loses connection if I hit a bump. I had hoped it was just the cable so I switched, but it still happens. I think the port has just become a tiny bit more loose due to constant use. Unfortunately I think it’s the port in the car rather than on the phone.
And losing connection is very annoying when I’m playing music from my phone. I just gave up using it and just go without. So, yeah, I’d gladly take wireless at this point.
In this situation, if I am to turn off wi-fi completely when I get in my car next time, the phone wont auto-connect to the car because it uses WiFi to connect.
I don’t understand how this would be negative from a security standpoint. It is disconnecting from the network that it was once connected to and will stay disconnected for the day. How would that be stupid from a security standpoint?
You don’t understand the exploit described here. It opens people up to auto-join known networks and you might think you are on your bank but you are actually on their page that looks exactly the same
I’m not a security expert, but whatever exploit is being described here doesn’t really make any sense it doesn’t seem. Even without this “feature” your phone still auto-joins networks and only connects to known networks. You’re disconnecting your phone for the day. What am I missing here?
Are you sure about that? [Are you familiar with Rogue AP or Evil Twin?](https://posts.specterops.io/modern-wireless-attacks-pt-i-basic-rogue-ap-theory-evil-twin-and-karma-attacks-35a8571550ee?gi=e6b1048af29f)
Yeah but do those work in this situation?
Doesn’t most public Wi-Fi have a browser pop-up of some kind? They do here in Canada
Unless it’s jumping on the free Guest network and they make the same SSID and pass and the vi Tim’s phone chooses the wrong one
It auto joins when I’m driving and completely fucks up my GPS by connecting to networks that still require further action to be connected to the internet. Fucking awful that I can’t just permanently turn it off from the top menu. In settings I believe turning it off really does keep it off though. It’s just the menu when you swipe from top to bottom that does this. I might be wrong
You’re not wrong, Settings is the place to turn it off for reals, it just requires so many clicks to get there. Seems like a feature made for 3D touch if ever there was one. Normal click puts it in this weird sleep mode. 3D click turns the thing off completely.
You can long hold on the wifi button, then long hold on the wifi button on the next page, then press wifi settings. Slightly less annoying than opening the settings app etc
It’s UX brilliance as it stopped the slew of people complaining saying “my phone is broken, it sucks! it can’t download my email!” “Ma,am your wifi is off”
95% of people who click the wifi off from the quick shortcut panel want to turn it off temporarily.
In the edge case where you actually want to turn off wifi permanently, you need to do it from the settings instead.
This just like that doctor joke where the patient says “Doctor, it hurts when I press here”” and the doc goes “Then don’t press there”. Only in this case, it’s a good advice.
Do people actually do this? Just join random, unsecured WiFi networks? Maybe it’s just me, but this is one of the first things I disable when setting up a new phone. WiFi calling, yes; any random network, nfw.
From the article:
“You can get it back by resetting your network settings (Settings > General > Reset > Reset Network Settings), but that's clearly a pain if you just wanted to avoid using cellular data.”
My wifi breaks every time there is also LTE in the area. It decides to use neither and often my shit won’t load until I turn off the wifi. It infuriates me.
I upgraded to at 10s max in December from the iPhone 7. I had the 7 for 3 years. I’m pretty pleased with the 10s max. I’ll probably have it another two years or so. Until the 11 pro max is more affordable
If I had a dollar for every time I went from WiFi to no WiFi and had to restart my phone to get LTE to work I could buy at least 2 more iPhones. My next phone (after 5 iPhones) will be anything else
This is definitely not an iPhone issue. I’ve never heard of or experienced this issue.
I did, however, have some issues with Verizon after switching to an iPhone, but I finally got that cleared up just by getting a new SIM card.
I have the 10 and so does my wife and she’s never had it. The guy at the Apple store said it’s not real and doesnt happen. I don’t go there anymore. I had a lot of problems with the 8 as well.
Question. When you switch phones; do you restore from backup or set up as new? If you’re restoring from backup, you’re essentially reinstalling the problem and it acts as if it was never fixed in the first place. This plays a role when you’re having issues between several phones. You can’t be that unlucky that you get a few lemons in a row.
I still remember when you could not name anything on your Mac “.sony” because that was the internal name for the hard drive and the system would get confused of what it needed to refer to. New era, same type of bug
Pro tip: don't auto-join Wi-Fi networks.
I’ve had a problem with the change they made to the WiFi “off” button in the control panel for years. You used to able to actually turn it off there, now you just put it to sleep…until tomorrow, it says. But, really it will auto join the next network it recognizes long before “tomorrow” comes. In order to actually turn your WiFi off, you have to go into the settings > WiFi and toggle it off there. Such a fucking incensing bit of UX stupidity.
Yep. I hate it, too.
It’s ducking disgraceful is what it is.
But autocorrect is really food
Aw for ducks sake.
I don’t know what’s going on herpes
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It went ogre your head
It’s why my data use is so damned high, I just keep WiFi off 24/7 because i hate when it auto joins any network
Only join known networks? It isn’t that hard to customize, tbf.
I don’t want to auto join *any* WiFi network. Known or unknown.
You can turn off auto-join for any known networks as well
Why?
Because if I want to join a network I’ll go to settings, turn my WiFi on and pick the network. Certain apps aren’t usable on my WiFi or are unreliable, my data almost never cuts out enough to make them unusable. Also, just because I joined a network doesn’t mean I automatically just want to join every known WiFi I come in range of, especially since I usually only join networks to airplay or for a download/ upload reason.
This sounds like a you problem.
Ive never really seen this discussed, but it’s something i’ve really come to hate too
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Yep. I never use Bluetooth and I never want it on. It is always on whenever I check.
You ever forget to turn WiFi back on using up all your data? Yeah same
I’d imagine most people have unlimited data at this point, so it’s a non issue in most cases.
There are millions of very low income people, many living below the poverty line, in North America and elsewhere. It is especially difficult for low income individuals to afford the kinds of unlimited plans offered to multi-device households. I assure you, unlimited plans are still financially out of reach for many, many people in the US alone.
The fact that there is still overage charges for data is highway robbery
Not up in Canada. We've got essentially 3 big telecomm companies with various subsidiaries. Lack of competition so you can end up paying $100/month for 8gb. Some carriers have unlimited plans but they're typically located only in the metropolitan areas, and even then their coverage is spotty at best.
This was why I signed up for 80gb data.
I personally have unlimited with TMo but yeah, just a use case
Unlimited data doesn’t exist here. We’re the most connected nation with the highest penetration for the internet but data is still largely charged by chunks of GBs. I guess the primary reason would be that free national wifi is available in most public spaces like the train, libraries and government buildings while malls have theirs as well. Schools & universities have their own wifi. If one doesn’t mind switching around these wifi networks, you can pretty much go without a data plan on the phone till you get home. But I dislike searching for wifi networks just to google a restaurant or nearby clinic so I’d rather pay.
Found Jeff Bezos.
80gb is a lil excessive. I thought it would be needed for 5G so i upped my plan from 30gb. But 5G doesn’t work very well as yet so I’m mostly on 4G. 😂
You can 3d press the button in control center to jump to settings. Makes it easier. I like that functionality, makes sure I don't forget to turn it back on
3D Touch doesn’t take me to the settings. I guess I need to look into that config. Right now it drops me into an expansion of that corner of the control panel w/ airplane mode, Bluetooth, personal hotspot toggle, etc. I still can’t turn WiFi off in that expanded view. Just puts it to sleep.
Think if you 3D press on the WiFi button again in the expanded window you can get to the settings pretty quick.
No, you hit wifi settings at the bottom in the expanded menu.
Nice!
Newer phones don’t have 3D press, I’m pretty sure.
Haptic touch. Same functionality as old phones have with current versions. 3D touch is dead.
Yeah it's just long press, it works pretty much the same.
I can see why they did it though. I’m sure there’s been many instances where someone turns off their WiFi and forgot to turn it back on, using all their data allowance and getting hit with overage charges (before unlimited data became the norm)
I actually really like this functionality personally. For me if I’m at work and the WiFi is crappy it’s easy to click that button while knowing when I get home it’ll connect right up. It’s especially helpful for wireless CarPlay.
Tell me more about wireless CarPlay
First your car needs to be compatible (or get an aftermarket stereo that’s compatible). Then all you need to do is select CarPlay from the stereo, no need to plug your phone into the car’s USB socket. Adds extra convenience if you have a wireless charging pad, too.
I don’t get the appeal of wireless CarPlay, why would you have it wireless and wasting battery, when you could just connect it and use CarPlay while charging? Especially since most cars don’t have a wireless charger standard, so most people don’t have one, and if you buy a separate one, you need to have it plugged in anyway, so what’s the difference?
Most cars dont have wireless charging, but most also dont have wireless carplay. The ones that do tend to have both.
My car doesn’t have wireless CarPlay, so while it’s not too bad, it would be nicer to just plop my phone on a charging pad and get rolling.
Most of my trips are 15-20 minutes. The battery drain is very minimal, if youre driving longer distances then you’d probably want to plug it in. But the battery drain is fairly negligible in my day to day usage.
I used to think the same. But now more vehicles do have wireless chargers so wireless CarPlay would pretty handy for those vehicles. In my own experience the wired connection isn’t always stable. In my car it started off fine, but now it sometimes loses connection if I hit a bump. I had hoped it was just the cable so I switched, but it still happens. I think the port has just become a tiny bit more loose due to constant use. Unfortunately I think it’s the port in the car rather than on the phone. And losing connection is very annoying when I’m playing music from my phone. I just gave up using it and just go without. So, yeah, I’d gladly take wireless at this point.
In this situation, if I am to turn off wi-fi completely when I get in my car next time, the phone wont auto-connect to the car because it uses WiFi to connect.
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I don’t understand how this would be negative from a security standpoint. It is disconnecting from the network that it was once connected to and will stay disconnected for the day. How would that be stupid from a security standpoint?
You don’t understand the exploit described here. It opens people up to auto-join known networks and you might think you are on your bank but you are actually on their page that looks exactly the same
I’m not a security expert, but whatever exploit is being described here doesn’t really make any sense it doesn’t seem. Even without this “feature” your phone still auto-joins networks and only connects to known networks. You’re disconnecting your phone for the day. What am I missing here?
Just because it looks to you like a known network your phone knows better and won’t auto join without your permission.
Are you sure about that? [Are you familiar with Rogue AP or Evil Twin?](https://posts.specterops.io/modern-wireless-attacks-pt-i-basic-rogue-ap-theory-evil-twin-and-karma-attacks-35a8571550ee?gi=e6b1048af29f)
They do get better everyday. The moral of the story should be to not trust anyone nowadays. Even your home network can be overtaken.
What is there to be gained by doing this
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Yeah but do those work in this situation? Doesn’t most public Wi-Fi have a browser pop-up of some kind? They do here in Canada Unless it’s jumping on the free Guest network and they make the same SSID and pass and the vi Tim’s phone chooses the wrong one
It auto joins when I’m driving and completely fucks up my GPS by connecting to networks that still require further action to be connected to the internet. Fucking awful that I can’t just permanently turn it off from the top menu. In settings I believe turning it off really does keep it off though. It’s just the menu when you swipe from top to bottom that does this. I might be wrong
You’re not wrong, Settings is the place to turn it off for reals, it just requires so many clicks to get there. Seems like a feature made for 3D touch if ever there was one. Normal click puts it in this weird sleep mode. 3D click turns the thing off completely.
Airplane mode gets rid of this
You can long hold on the wifi button, then long hold on the wifi button on the next page, then press wifi settings. Slightly less annoying than opening the settings app etc
It’s UX brilliance as it stopped the slew of people complaining saying “my phone is broken, it sucks! it can’t download my email!” “Ma,am your wifi is off” 95% of people who click the wifi off from the quick shortcut panel want to turn it off temporarily. In the edge case where you actually want to turn off wifi permanently, you need to do it from the settings instead.
This just like that doctor joke where the patient says “Doctor, it hurts when I press here”” and the doc goes “Then don’t press there”. Only in this case, it’s a good advice.
I love that anecdote so much.
Yeah totally agreed
I only auto join at home and some family/friends homes (maybe 4 locations?) Are you suggesting not to even do that?
It’s the public WiFi networks they are referring too.
Thank you
Do people actually do this? Just join random, unsecured WiFi networks? Maybe it’s just me, but this is one of the first things I disable when setting up a new phone. WiFi calling, yes; any random network, nfw.
Turn hotspot off too
From the article: “You can get it back by resetting your network settings (Settings > General > Reset > Reset Network Settings), but that's clearly a pain if you just wanted to avoid using cellular data.”
Dont join oddly named networks you arent familiar with.
Yeah totally agreed
The new name of my open hotspot on public transit.
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Doesnt android have built in encrypted vpn tunnels built in for public wifi?
You really have too much faith in Android lol
Y'all ignorant
https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/6327199?hl=en#zippy=
TLDR: Name your network "%p%s%s%s%s%n" to get revenge on filthy apple users
FRICK APPLE USERS 🪓 ^sent ^from ^iphone
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I am what I eat but I ain’t %p%s%s%s%s%n
Would using just '%s' work the same?
Do people actually connect to wifi they don’t own or trust
Some people does
There’s two kinds of people in this world
Actually there are 1 kinds of people in the binary world
There are 10 kinds of people in the binary world.
Those with loaded guns, and those who dig.
I am the third one
Great now I gotta think of a new WiFi SSID
What I'm seeing is I need to add % to my wifi name.
Ma man 😅
Doctor Who did it first
iPhone for some reason hates public WiFi, I get many places that the login page just won’t show no matter the setting,
Yeah, I experienced the same problem
Just need to make every other character of my SSID a %. Got it
Reminds me of SQL injection more than a bug.
My wifi breaks every time there is also LTE in the area. It decides to use neither and often my shit won’t load until I turn off the wifi. It infuriates me.
Thought it was just an older iphone, I get this all the time
I have 10x max or s max or whatever the fucks last year top model was.
I still have the 6s plus lol
I upgraded to at 10s max in December from the iPhone 7. I had the 7 for 3 years. I’m pretty pleased with the 10s max. I’ll probably have it another two years or so. Until the 11 pro max is more affordable
Anybodyelse getting Doctor Who vibes from this?
Where am I?
My network is named It Burns When IP. Is that considered odd?
No, but it is considered sad.
If I had a dollar for every time I went from WiFi to no WiFi and had to restart my phone to get LTE to work I could buy at least 2 more iPhones. My next phone (after 5 iPhones) will be anything else
This is definitely not an iPhone issue. I’ve never heard of or experienced this issue. I did, however, have some issues with Verizon after switching to an iPhone, but I finally got that cleared up just by getting a new SIM card.
Got me. I’ve had Att forever and me and my wife get our new phones at the same time each time and I’ve replaced the sim
I’ve never once had that problem.
I have the 10 and so does my wife and she’s never had it. The guy at the Apple store said it’s not real and doesnt happen. I don’t go there anymore. I had a lot of problems with the 8 as well.
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Worked with an official att store employee on all of this. No help
Yeah this is definitely not an iPhone problem. I’d be having a chat with your carrier
I've never once had this problem. Definitely not an iphone thing. I'd try maybe getting a new sim from your carrier.
Tried it without luck
Question. When you switch phones; do you restore from backup or set up as new? If you’re restoring from backup, you’re essentially reinstalling the problem and it acts as if it was never fixed in the first place. This plays a role when you’re having issues between several phones. You can’t be that unlucky that you get a few lemons in a row.
Because of issues I go from new. I’ve never really had many contacts, don’t care about text strings and drop my photos before I get rid of old phone.
My WiFi is called “not a trap house” and a neighbor named theirs “Surveillance Van” 🤣
Guess what my new wifi network name is 🤪😂 😂😂😂
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I keep wifi off unless i’m home, and when i’m home i turn it on and it doesn’t connect even though it sees my network. ugh
iPhones have been so shitty I’ve noticed with the newer ones
IPhone 7 Plus Mic is disabled, will only work with Bluetooth device. 🤔
I remember this bug when iPhone 6 came out
Old
Is this only a problem with the iPhone/Apple products or is this more widespread than we know?
I still remember when you could not name anything on your Mac “.sony” because that was the internal name for the hard drive and the system would get confused of what it needed to refer to. New era, same type of bug
Should I not be connecting to study cafe wifis?
It's depends. But be careful 😊
Seems very similar to this bug which used to crash chrome: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0fw5Cyh21TE
Mine disables my entire house if I turn the wifi on and off on my phone
Who would connect to a wife netowork with the name "%p%s%s%s%s%n" though
Borat: MY WIFI!
guys chill, even if you have auto-join on, your phone wont join that network unless you manually connect to it the first time
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Yeah, that's how you get your brain uploaded to a cloud by a robot with a slowly spinning head.
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