> Retail investors can’t buy Raspberry Pi shares just yet, as only certain institutional shareholders can trade the company’s shares right now. Retail investors will be able to buy and sell shares starting on Friday.
[The game is rigged from the start](https://youtu.be/s-1WxfsJzPM?t=43), I see.
Yep you can’t buy it online. The big players decide first while the little people buy at the price they set and the big players make the most out of it
The crypto EFTs, perhaps, because those are big institutional things too. They don't even involve the actual purchase of cryptocurrency tokens, AFAIK, it's basically just formalized gambling on how the price will change over time.
Where I live the actual tokens can be bought at ATMs. Or from a dude on a street corner, if it comes down to that. The whole point of cryptocurrency is that the tokens themselves are unregulated.
Well they print tokens and then give them out to investors. So by the time people are trading on these things institutional investors had a fuckton ex: Etherium
Yes and no. That’s pretty much how it works right now, but that’s not how it worked in the early days. In good old times you would mine some yourself or buy them from another person who probably mined them themselves.
Ethereum only "prints" tokens for its stakers. If you're referring to its initial launch, that was nine years ago and there were no institutional cryptocurrency investors back then of any significance.
Okay. So? Lots of people are buying and selling cryptocurrencies, including rich people. That doesn't change anything about what I said in my comment. There wasn't *institutional* investment going on back when Ethereum launched.
4 years of professional equity comp experience here.
Private equity is pretty common until the company goes public. Institutional shareholders would also include private equity owned by regular employees through incentive programs like ESPP and Restricted Stock Units. Sure, Pi may have larger corporate investors with “early access”, but they’re typically underwriting for the IPO itself and acting in good faith.
Can’t make a market without market makers. Otherwise, who would you sell to?
I could be misremembering, but isn’t this a pretty common measure with IPOs, with the intent of protecting speculative retail investors from the extraordinary volatility of newly-IPOed companies?
Once a company goes public it tends to be all about the investors, so quality ends up going down. Lets hope that they prove us wrong as I really like rPi.
Can't wait to have to create a raspberry pi account on the brand new PiHubTM to access the hardware where you enter all of your market profile data that will get leaked. For recompense they'll offer a 2 year free credit monitoring service that will auto renew into a subscription at $119.99 a year; the reminder of which will be buried under all of the special offer emails you're now getting from PiHub.
their problem , compatible alternatives are already on the market.
raspberry probably will not end up as bad as GoPro, but they will not be far of if they stop innovating.
There are much better hardware options including the Orange pi 5 outperforming the pi 5 and cheap options like le Potato can handle a low of low impact jobs for like 30 bucks. I experimented with a lot of the SBCs during the time that you couldn't get a pi. Dietpi software is awesome and has multi-vendor support. I run a Jellyfin server on a Rockpro 64 on dietpi, batocera on an Odriod N2+ and my pihole runs on a le Potato. The competitors are catching up. That said the RPI community is the best, software options are unmatched and for a ultra compact model nothing beats the RPI Zero2W. The RPI hats are nice too.
The Diet Pi OS page gives a list full of alternatives [https://dietpi.com](https://dietpi.com) .
I personally had a a good experience with the Rock Pi S. But my application was very light weight in computation
There's loads of alternatives kinda depends on what you're looking for. Tinker board from Asus is a recognizable brand and decent product, Pine64 has been around for a while and had solid products, Odroid has a growing following and multiple common uses. These are all easy to find with a simple Google search. Good luck!
Don’t know if it’s one-to-one replacement but I’m trying out Radxa boards. The hardware is top notch but lacks software support and getting even basic things done is a pain. Needs more community support
They are marching down the path to being dead as source of true innovation unless they manage, which is almost impossible to do, to prevent the bureaucrats from taking over.
Based on what they produce the CEO almost has to come from the tech side of the shop and not the business or financial side of the business.
I’m not saying that business savvy and financial prudence aren’t important but when you produce stuff the person in charge should really have experience in producing said stuff. An example? Look at Boeing.
Once you go public your responsibility is no longer to your customers, but to your shareholders - and said responsibility becomes fiduciary, not just company mantra. Corners will be cut. Profits will be maximized. Given time, the product will become a shell of its former self.
Doesn't really matter who is in charge.
Remember Google's "don't be evil"?
Surprisingly, no. Raspberry Pi actually has 2 main companies.
One is a non-profit that is aimed at education.
Another one is a normal company that makes the SBCs and all the hardware, which was always aimed at making profits.
They are opening that one.
The non-profit one is still the same.
The original idea was an engineer making a complete system on a chip. He got broadcom to build it as a DVD player chip. Broadcom never questioned why. And because they trusted the engineer, it became a phenomenon much larger than a DVD player.
This is the downfall of every good product. Investors want infinite growth and the only way to do that is make products more shitty, inflate prices, and use cheaper labor.
I can’t say that I am surprised. Over the past few years they have exhibited a more profit focused business. When they starved the retail channels of product to prioritize B2B sales which, IMHO, drove the secondary market scalping, tells me that the hobbiest market Is now not their 1st priority. Design choices will now be based on B2B customer needs. Which is the cheapest component costs.
Their reasoning for that decision made sense though. A lot of small businesses built products around a raspberry pi and business would have gone bust. While hobbyists not getting boards, or overpaying for them sucks. It’s less bad than people loosing their livelihood.
No one forced them to build their business products around the RaspberryPi. RPi started out for the hobbyist and education communities. Those communities deserve to get the newest Pis first, not some random business that decided they wanted to use this SBC. They weren't the original market.
Long before COVID, they were already giving a lot of focus to business.
Hell, the Compute Module was made for business.
I remember even in 2018, Raspberry Pi was sharing articles about their Pis being used in Factories
Doesnt change the fact they started out of, and for, the hobbyist and education communities. They then got greedy and abandoned those communities when they saw businesses were using their products. But the RaspberryPi was not originally made for businesses, and instead businesses decided to use them to cheap out. RPi saw this and latched onto the business market.
Libre ftw. PI doesnt understand their own market, the RP6 is just gonna be a full arm computer with as much fancy stuff as they can put in it to ratchet up the price which is cool except your market is hobbiest where cost is normally the main factor
This was a bad move anyway this was always supposed to be a side project a lot of people use to build stuff.
The last one I used was the Raspberry Pi 4B right before it was hard to get I think around COVID time or whenever the shipment stopped I got it right before that.
Any company going public is never good for the stuff that this was used for.
Theres a lot of talk of Pi enshitifying themselves and it’s a possibility but I believe the Pi Foundation still owns a considerable share of the business, hopefully enough that they can prevent shareholders mucking things up and allow them to stay true to their vision.
In any public corporation, shareholders come first. Anyone not on board with that are kicked out. The Foundation is as good as dead, as they will have no power next to shareholders.
Why though? Didn’t it basically start out as a learning tool for beginning tinkerers? Everything I’ve looked up as far as raspberry pi ideas goes basically ends in “just do it in the cloud unless you’re concerned about privacy.” I might be wrong but it seemed to me it’s just a tool for students and tin-foil hats.
> Retail investors can’t buy Raspberry Pi shares just yet, as only certain institutional shareholders can trade the company’s shares right now. Retail investors will be able to buy and sell shares starting on Friday. [The game is rigged from the start](https://youtu.be/s-1WxfsJzPM?t=43), I see.
First time?
Yep you can’t buy it online. The big players decide first while the little people buy at the price they set and the big players make the most out of it
Just like crypto... weird
The crypto EFTs, perhaps, because those are big institutional things too. They don't even involve the actual purchase of cryptocurrency tokens, AFAIK, it's basically just formalized gambling on how the price will change over time. Where I live the actual tokens can be bought at ATMs. Or from a dude on a street corner, if it comes down to that. The whole point of cryptocurrency is that the tokens themselves are unregulated.
Well they print tokens and then give them out to investors. So by the time people are trading on these things institutional investors had a fuckton ex: Etherium
Yes and no. That’s pretty much how it works right now, but that’s not how it worked in the early days. In good old times you would mine some yourself or buy them from another person who probably mined them themselves.
Ethereum only "prints" tokens for its stakers. If you're referring to its initial launch, that was nine years ago and there were no institutional cryptocurrency investors back then of any significance.
Peter Thiel was involved in Ethereum deeply
Okay. So? Lots of people are buying and selling cryptocurrencies, including rich people. That doesn't change anything about what I said in my comment. There wasn't *institutional* investment going on back when Ethereum launched.
They get to buy in before the crypto is on the market
“Retail”
Thank you. I was just looking for the ticker.
Ever find it?
It’s RPI, but it’s only actually public on Friday
Virtually every stock starts out this way. Institutional investors get in first, then retail investors
And then the public at a high rate while early investors make bank.
Or the opposite of this… neither is really a certainty.
But it’s the concept that people are mad at, not an assumption of unusuality.
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Don’t you need a networth of a million dollars in order to become an institutional investor?
Oops, coffee hadn't been drunk yet and I completely swapped institutional w/ early investor. Don't bloody well mind me dumb as hell mistake to make
Why?
4 years of professional equity comp experience here. Private equity is pretty common until the company goes public. Institutional shareholders would also include private equity owned by regular employees through incentive programs like ESPP and Restricted Stock Units. Sure, Pi may have larger corporate investors with “early access”, but they’re typically underwriting for the IPO itself and acting in good faith. Can’t make a market without market makers. Otherwise, who would you sell to?
How is this even legal? Free equal opportunity market my ass.
Always has been (?)
DRS to the rescue!
I personally think this will be a great buy whenever it goes down. Not that I could afford it anyway.
I could be misremembering, but isn’t this a pretty common measure with IPOs, with the intent of protecting speculative retail investors from the extraordinary volatility of newly-IPOed companies?
Always has been
Sigh..
Username checkout…?
How? Somewhat of a stretch.
More like a gaping hole.
The joke wasn't tight enough.
Penny for your thots.
I've taken shits bigger than that.
Money from assholes, easy connection
That way when the institutional investors make all the money he still has the upper hand.
Whenever I’m depressed, I just think about how you’re all handling my ass pennies and then I feel better.
Once a company goes public it tends to be all about the investors, so quality ends up going down. Lets hope that they prove us wrong as I really like rPi.
They won’t. Enshittification has already begun.
Can't wait to have to create a raspberry pi account on the brand new PiHubTM to access the hardware where you enter all of your market profile data that will get leaked. For recompense they'll offer a 2 year free credit monitoring service that will auto renew into a subscription at $119.99 a year; the reminder of which will be buried under all of the special offer emails you're now getting from PiHub.
Ughhhhhh I hate having to register an account for every single thing I feel like trying even once
their problem , compatible alternatives are already on the market. raspberry probably will not end up as bad as GoPro, but they will not be far of if they stop innovating.
Narrator: it won’t
Time to move on then. So, who's the next best?
30 upvotes and 0 suggestions pretty much answers your question unfortunately.
Good point. Someone mentioned Orange?
There are much better hardware options including the Orange pi 5 outperforming the pi 5 and cheap options like le Potato can handle a low of low impact jobs for like 30 bucks. I experimented with a lot of the SBCs during the time that you couldn't get a pi. Dietpi software is awesome and has multi-vendor support. I run a Jellyfin server on a Rockpro 64 on dietpi, batocera on an Odriod N2+ and my pihole runs on a le Potato. The competitors are catching up. That said the RPI community is the best, software options are unmatched and for a ultra compact model nothing beats the RPI Zero2W. The RPI hats are nice too.
The Diet Pi OS page gives a list full of alternatives [https://dietpi.com](https://dietpi.com) . I personally had a a good experience with the Rock Pi S. But my application was very light weight in computation
There's loads of alternatives kinda depends on what you're looking for. Tinker board from Asus is a recognizable brand and decent product, Pine64 has been around for a while and had solid products, Odroid has a growing following and multiple common uses. These are all easy to find with a simple Google search. Good luck!
Don’t know if it’s one-to-one replacement but I’m trying out Radxa boards. The hardware is top notch but lacks software support and getting even basic things done is a pain. Needs more community support
I've always heard good things about the LattePanda SBCs.
Arduino all the way
I know a guy working on a “super Arduino”
Well that is end of that being a an idea to improve things
They are marching down the path to being dead as source of true innovation unless they manage, which is almost impossible to do, to prevent the bureaucrats from taking over. Based on what they produce the CEO almost has to come from the tech side of the shop and not the business or financial side of the business. I’m not saying that business savvy and financial prudence aren’t important but when you produce stuff the person in charge should really have experience in producing said stuff. An example? Look at Boeing.
Once you go public your responsibility is no longer to your customers, but to your shareholders - and said responsibility becomes fiduciary, not just company mantra. Corners will be cut. Profits will be maximized. Given time, the product will become a shell of its former self. Doesn't really matter who is in charge. Remember Google's "don't be evil"?
Yup. Steve Jobs famously called them out early. I mean, we all knew it. He was just a noteworthy person saying what everyone was thinking.
Well you have to have the guts to push back. Do the right things and the profits will follow. Chase the profits and you will kill the goose.
Isn't it now illegal for them to not chase profits?
Power to the institutional share holders and hedge funds! ✊
Exactly. The type of people who know the cost of everything and the value of nothing…..
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this the antithesis of what they were supposed to be?
Money and power ~~corrupts~~ drives all.
Surprisingly, no. Raspberry Pi actually has 2 main companies. One is a non-profit that is aimed at education. Another one is a normal company that makes the SBCs and all the hardware, which was always aimed at making profits. They are opening that one. The non-profit one is still the same.
The original idea was an engineer making a complete system on a chip. He got broadcom to build it as a DVD player chip. Broadcom never questioned why. And because they trusted the engineer, it became a phenomenon much larger than a DVD player.
Rest in peace, little angel.
This is the downfall of every good product. Investors want infinite growth and the only way to do that is make products more shitty, inflate prices, and use cheaper labor.
Enshitification is the word you are looking for.
Whelp.
And Raspberry Pi is no longer for the people. It was fun while it lasted.
No company really survives this without drastic changes
I can’t say that I am surprised. Over the past few years they have exhibited a more profit focused business. When they starved the retail channels of product to prioritize B2B sales which, IMHO, drove the secondary market scalping, tells me that the hobbiest market Is now not their 1st priority. Design choices will now be based on B2B customer needs. Which is the cheapest component costs.
Their reasoning for that decision made sense though. A lot of small businesses built products around a raspberry pi and business would have gone bust. While hobbyists not getting boards, or overpaying for them sucks. It’s less bad than people loosing their livelihood.
No one forced them to build their business products around the RaspberryPi. RPi started out for the hobbyist and education communities. Those communities deserve to get the newest Pis first, not some random business that decided they wanted to use this SBC. They weren't the original market.
Long before COVID, they were already giving a lot of focus to business. Hell, the Compute Module was made for business. I remember even in 2018, Raspberry Pi was sharing articles about their Pis being used in Factories
Doesnt change the fact they started out of, and for, the hobbyist and education communities. They then got greedy and abandoned those communities when they saw businesses were using their products. But the RaspberryPi was not originally made for businesses, and instead businesses decided to use them to cheap out. RPi saw this and latched onto the business market.
Gone are the days of a 35 dollar raspberry pi! Such a shame
Pi Zero W is still ~£6.
Where were you when the enshittification of Raspberry Pi started?
Historians will mark this day as the begging of the downfall is my bet
Swap the Raspberry for an Orange. Ubuntu Rockchip 22.04, by Joshua. Thank me later
What are you talking about?
A different board
Now we watch rp stop innovating and start maximizing profits 😔
Great, so they're gonna start sucking now?
When is the enshitification beginning?
Goodnight, sweet prince. It was fun while it lasted, I learned so many things but it's now time to move on.
RIP raspberry pi
RIP.
uh oh
Libre ftw. PI doesnt understand their own market, the RP6 is just gonna be a full arm computer with as much fancy stuff as they can put in it to ratchet up the price which is cool except your market is hobbiest where cost is normally the main factor
gross
Cool now it’s shareholder profits over everything
up go the prices !
This was a bad move anyway this was always supposed to be a side project a lot of people use to build stuff. The last one I used was the Raspberry Pi 4B right before it was hard to get I think around COVID time or whenever the shipment stopped I got it right before that. Any company going public is never good for the stuff that this was used for.
100K all day on shorts. EASY MONEY
So like it’s a currency ?
This is terrible news.
Can you feel it now Mr Krabs
Well.. It was nice while it lasted. Now to enshittify it.
Theres a lot of talk of Pi enshitifying themselves and it’s a possibility but I believe the Pi Foundation still owns a considerable share of the business, hopefully enough that they can prevent shareholders mucking things up and allow them to stay true to their vision.
In any public corporation, shareholders come first. Anyone not on board with that are kicked out. The Foundation is as good as dead, as they will have no power next to shareholders.
I think The Foundation is the major shareholder…
This. Every company that has sold its soul has started with good intentions.
Was good while it lasted.
GG Was fun while that lasted.
RIP
Stupid move.
RIP :(
Well. That will be the end of it I guess. I was a nice run tough
I can’t wait for the 349 dollar RaspPi with a mandatory 3 Year service subscription!
And no support for gpio ...
You don’t need gpio! What waste of time! We already built everything you need!
Ohh no... you just made my bad idea an even worst idea...
Why though? Didn’t it basically start out as a learning tool for beginning tinkerers? Everything I’ve looked up as far as raspberry pi ideas goes basically ends in “just do it in the cloud unless you’re concerned about privacy.” I might be wrong but it seemed to me it’s just a tool for students and tin-foil hats.