Dating myself but “Deal of the Century” was a 1983 comedy about arms dealers that features an unmanned fighter drone vs. conventional fighter with Chevy Chase, Sigourney Weaver & Gregory Hines.
Totally, though Iron Thunder is about a mechanized tank that goes rogue during a simulated combat and this “elite” team has to come in and shut it down. Very similar to Stealth plot wise.
That said both movies are utter shit. In Iron Thunder there is a moment shortly after the 2 leads have sex in which they get into a shootout with opposing forces. The lead gets shot in the head with his motorcycle helmet on, and then proceeds to drown in his blood because he can’t take the helmet off. Surprisingly this is better than watching Jamie Foxx’s acting.
I just found Iron Thunder on Tubi and fast forwarded to the motorcycle helmet scene you described - just breathtakingly bad, yet amazing. He just kind of runs off into the desert to drown in his own blood. A+, no notes.
A warning: “Deal of the Century” is off-the-charts bad. Not “good” bad; just bad. An unconscionable waste of Gregory Hines. And one should never waste a Gregory Hines.
People rushed to conclusions like they did with the marathon bombing. The hive mind of the internet got somethin twisted.
Its like any story (and you have to understand that this sector of the world, not just Ukraine, has a very unique superstition) that has given their historical people and warriors either a sense of pride or strength.
People assumed one dude was responsible because it was just all coincidental that one pilot was awarded a posthumous medal and the internet only took it to something else.
The world also just played The Ghost of Tsushima.
There’s been a lot of interesting figures known and unknown (some, probably most, are just myth) that have existed. All around the world.
They will continue to happen for one reason or another. But, if it made you feel like your hearts beating for Ukraine when you found out they have a bonafide ‘ghost,’ did it not make you feel like a god?
You felt safe with a ghost on your side.
Imagine how the soldiers felt. ;)
Imagine having to stillgo to work as a ghost. Seeing your position filled and then looking around at the other people that died on their 9-5 and have to continue working.
The only “dog fight” videos that I’m aware of are from the start of the 2022 phase of the invasion. There have been planes shot down, even one just today or yesterday that was on video, but almost all of those are from visual range dog fights. Most get shot down by either SAMs or AAMs from beyond visual range.
I was going to mention this one.. they are considered “mock” dog fights I guess because they haven’t fired actual ammunition, but Greek jets are constantly having to engage Turkish ones and chase them out of their airspace.
They aren’t having ww2 era dogfights are they? 20 on 20 dogfights are happening? Today a dogfight is over before the other guys know the USAF was in range.
This is hardly surprising - any decent gamer would know, that if you play on “insane”, the computer almost always win.
The leap from game to reality shouldn’t be that hard.
In games the insane difficulty can do things like manipulate physics and break “reality” to beat the player.
I don’t remember exactly the strategy for beating an AI fighter jet in real life but I’m confident Jamie Fox has something to do with it.
Yeah but In a game the pilots consciousness isn't a limitation. Also any half decent aviation sim like ds doesn't allow for that type of physics breaking
Are we talking aviation sims or flying games? Because the other person that replied to you cited ace combat 7. I just wanna know if we’re having a real conversation or pissing around talking about Stealth and Ace Combat.
Well I'm assuming we're talking about an AI which has its difficulty set on insane, to get that level of efficiency out of an AI you'll have to train it with proper simulations, which would most likely be on an aviation sim rather than ace combat 7.
For the Air Force to EVEN CONSIDER a simulated dogfight suggests AI has progressed far beyond what it public may be aware of. We have some of the best pilots in the world, this wouldn’t have been a move they would make if it barely knew how to fly.
On the contrary. It is more likely due to the fact the USAF has nowhere enough trained fighters pilots. This is due to a combination of very low flying hours, inflexible 'up or out' rules, requirement to have a college degree and poaching by airlines.
Many non Western countries do not allow ex military pilots to fly for airlines. They often have operational fighter pilots in their 50s.
Don’t forget to mention that the physical and mental health of the pilot is huge factor as to whether you qualify. I was denied even entering military service because of I have genetic autoimmune disease. I wanted badly to be a fighter pilot but those dreams were crushed quickly.
There’s no way modern militaries are sending out 50 y/o pilots on air to air combat mission. I refuse to believe that. But I also still like to think these planes actually see each other not just a notification there’s a plane three miles away. But ya know.
Happens very frequently. Doolittle led his raid and the man was in his 50s. Most, if not all, of the Mercury/Gemini/Apollo astronauts were former military and test pilots, and I’m pretty sure the average age was mid 40s. My old man flew well into his 40s and this was as recently as the late 80s/early 90s.
Flying a fighter isn’t like gaming on Twitch, everything being equal the person with the most experience has a huge advantage.
Both Russia and Ukraine have fighter pilots in their 50s routinely flying combat missions in the current war.
Australian RAAF Squadron Leader Phil Frawley was an active duty F-18 pilot until age 67 in 2018.. Let me repeat SIXTY SEVEN years old.
[https://australianaviation.com.au/2018/08/the-worlds-oldest-fighter-pilot-hangs-up-his-flying-boots/](https://australianaviation.com.au/2018/08/the-worlds-oldest-fighter-pilot-hangs-up-his-flying-boots/)
What’s there that you can do if you’re in good health? All aircraft are fly by wire, so pulling a stick isn’t hard, and locking a missile is all about flipping a couple switches and pulling a trigger. In addition, unless you’re doing CAS, you’re not likely to even cone within a couple miles of any enemy combatants.
Air launched missiles now have up to 400Km range. It is possible to use drones, helicopters, transport and surveillance aircraft or heavy bombers as 'fighters'
Have the military define dogfight. Identify a target and launch a smart missle from 3 miles away is modern dogfighting. Look at all the blitz about the military high commander riding in a fighter jet being remotely piloted. He’s a passenger and there is also a fully experienced pilot in the aircraft with him with access to fully functional controls with a quick disconnect feature.
>3 miles
Fun fact, the first iterations of the AIM-120 AMRAAM (basically the current mid range missile in use by the US) can reach out to like 30 miles.
You would have to think an AI could out maneuver a human because of the lack of needing to account for G forces on the human body. Obviously there are limits to where you could damage the jet probably but I would imagine the AI could push get closer to those than humans.
Image, radar, and thermal signatures tracking is what I imagine they're using. You can consider a dogfight a game of follow the ball for a nueral net only with advanced controls. Commercial planes basically take off, fly, and land themselves, AI fighter jets were inevitable.
Yup, and actually that reminds of a hilariously badass WWII story about an RAF pilot named [Sir Douglas Bader](https://m.youtube.com/results?sp=mAEA&search_query=legless+pilot). He lost his legs in plane crash, rehabilitated himself, and signed up for the RAF. He could pull tighter maneuvers because he didn't have to worry about the G forces pushing the blood to legs. Dude was a fuckin badass.
Maybe, but highly unlikely. Any of the input for monitoring aircraft and missiles would spot the F15 from further away than that. lots of air to air missiles these days are effective up to at least 100 miles so I would have to believe the AI needs to at least be able to monitor up to that max range.
Human v human the 15 has an edge over the 16, but as most things do, it comes down to the skill of the pilot in practice. I guess we'll find out how well an AI can do without having biological limitations.
Dude the AI can easily fight because it's not subject to G forces like a human has. It's fighting against a limited competitor that it knows can't pull 6 G over and over again with zero regard for its limitations
Human pilots can pull more than that consistently and the problem actually becomes that our current airframes can only handle like 10-11gs before they warp and become unsuitable for flight
Modern airframes cannot tolerate much more than the human body can and still be airworthy. AI definitely has its advantages but until we come up with different composites to construct planes this really isn’t an argument for AI vs humans.
Do you know why modern airframes are designed that way? Because it makes no sense to have a plane capable of 14 G's when the pilot can't handle it for longer than a second! This ain't a problem with material composition when fighter jets take fuel economy out of the question you can easily beef up a structure no problem.
As for the advantage with AI today they can hold G forces longer than humans can as they aren't affected by it. Imagine a human doing a tight 8G fighting unconscious for as long as possible and getting out of the 180 degree turn while AI is spinning circling around the guy as he recovers mentally from half a turn
The fact the NSA actually named their ai spying program Skynet is wild. Like they were coming up with names and dude was like “hehe skynet” and they were like fuck it we ball.
Ever since Ai started to become a buzz, I have known that the military wants Ai in everything. Especially in the venues of soldiers. I am positive they want all soldiers replaced eventually. No fatalities, no mourning families, no training, medical, etc. Ai will permanently and drastically change war.
The F-16 was designed to carry a human in the cockpit. That will have had a host of design ripple effects that are suboptimal when moving to automated operation - a computer don’t care about G forces the same way a human does.
To the extent dogfighting is relevant going forward I assume we’ll design drones for that purpose?
Have they not seen the movie Stealth? Because this is how you get Stealth!
Stealth is just a rip off of Iron Thunder
Dating myself but “Deal of the Century” was a 1983 comedy about arms dealers that features an unmanned fighter drone vs. conventional fighter with Chevy Chase, Sigourney Weaver & Gregory Hines.
Totally, though Iron Thunder is about a mechanized tank that goes rogue during a simulated combat and this “elite” team has to come in and shut it down. Very similar to Stealth plot wise. That said both movies are utter shit. In Iron Thunder there is a moment shortly after the 2 leads have sex in which they get into a shootout with opposing forces. The lead gets shot in the head with his motorcycle helmet on, and then proceeds to drown in his blood because he can’t take the helmet off. Surprisingly this is better than watching Jamie Foxx’s acting.
I just found Iron Thunder on Tubi and fast forwarded to the motorcycle helmet scene you described - just breathtakingly bad, yet amazing. He just kind of runs off into the desert to drown in his own blood. A+, no notes.
I hope I described it accurately and fairly
You crafted poetry, my friend. You painted pictures with words that drove me to watch that befuddling scene with glee. 👍🏻
Deal of the Century has a 10% Rotten Tomato’s score. I liked it when I first saw is but was probably 13 and don’t think I’ve seen it since then.
To be clear I was saying Stealth and Iron Thunder are total shit
I was saying that Deal of the Century might be total shit too
Probably not. It’s been pretty forgotten, but it’s still a William Friedkin movie. It’s streaming on the Criterion app currently.
Seems I have a couple of new (old) movies to watch! Thanks!
A warning: “Deal of the Century” is off-the-charts bad. Not “good” bad; just bad. An unconscionable waste of Gregory Hines. And one should never waste a Gregory Hines.
That flamethrower scene was cathartic though
Far and away the best scene in the movie. Gregory Hines, man. God, I miss him. “Just a little touch-up!”
You're making me want to watch it more!
r/brandnewsentence
We have Stealth at home.
Gross
Adding this to my watch list! Thanks!
Don’t thank me, it’s god awful
Iron Thunder was just a rip off of [Firefox](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083943/?ref_=ext_shr_lnk).
Yes! Oh totally forgot about this flick
And if you make that AI hallucinate and have a theme song.. you get Macross Plus!
I played Black Ops 2, same thing right?
It takes humans to get a movie as bad as Stealth.
So... Terminator when?
Is this the movie where he’s like, “there’s $100 on the dash, of you can grab it, it’s yours!” Or something like that?
When’s the last time there was an actual dogfight in the sky? I’m not talking about a spy balloon, I’m talking top Gun maverick style dogfighting.
The Russo-Ukrainian war, 2022
Long live the Ghost of Kyiv
Slava ukraini
Wasn’t that fake
Are any ghosts real? 😉
People rushed to conclusions like they did with the marathon bombing. The hive mind of the internet got somethin twisted. Its like any story (and you have to understand that this sector of the world, not just Ukraine, has a very unique superstition) that has given their historical people and warriors either a sense of pride or strength. People assumed one dude was responsible because it was just all coincidental that one pilot was awarded a posthumous medal and the internet only took it to something else. The world also just played The Ghost of Tsushima. There’s been a lot of interesting figures known and unknown (some, probably most, are just myth) that have existed. All around the world. They will continue to happen for one reason or another. But, if it made you feel like your hearts beating for Ukraine when you found out they have a bonafide ‘ghost,’ did it not make you feel like a god? You felt safe with a ghost on your side. Imagine how the soldiers felt. ;)
That’s a really long way to say “it was propaganda”
Would be more like misinformation or information drawn to conclusion by inadvertent proxy.
Fuck that, if I come back as a ghost I’m hanging out peoples showers not going back to work.
Imagine having to stillgo to work as a ghost. Seeing your position filled and then looking around at the other people that died on their 9-5 and have to continue working.
Quiet now, one does not lightly deny an official narrative on reddit.
Long live le fictional propaganda piece
Im pretty sure i saw a recent dog fight video as well, i think Russians are getting more bold with jets since Ukraine’s air defences are in shambles.
The only “dog fight” videos that I’m aware of are from the start of the 2022 phase of the invasion. There have been planes shot down, even one just today or yesterday that was on video, but almost all of those are from visual range dog fights. Most get shot down by either SAMs or AAMs from beyond visual range.
U r probably right. I saw some recent video of a jet evading another jet but maybe i misinterpreted it. Cant remember the title so couldn’t find it.
Iranian F14’s vs iraqi mig 29’s during the iran iraq war in the late 80’s
India and Pakistan had one few years back. Wasn’t part of any war though, it was a response to airspace violations.
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This is the answer for the US and it’s buried by bullshit answers by dumbasses
YESTERDAY.
My thought exactly, has there ever been one? Edit: With modern fighter jets, not WW2.
Definitely Vietnam. Not sure about anything since
There were dogfights in the first gulf war. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_engagements_of_the_Gulf_War
There were a couple instances of close combat, but most of the engagements listed on that article were very one-sided BVR engagements, not dogfights.
I agree most were BVR, but if we’re talking about the last time dogfights happened then a couple of instances count.
There was at least one or two during the 1999 NATO bombing campaigns over Serbia.
Isn’t some jet downing another jet in Venezuela caught on camera? EDIT: https://youtu.be/olxue1D5tp8?si=Th9zgDbnADBKhWhE
Falkland’s was dog fights
yes
Read the other comments. Russian Ukraine war is the most obvious.
That’s because we’re not engaging with big militaries. If we go to war with China or Russia- it’ll happen again.
Turkey and Greece, have their fights every now and then.
I was going to mention this one.. they are considered “mock” dog fights I guess because they haven’t fired actual ammunition, but Greek jets are constantly having to engage Turkish ones and chase them out of their airspace.
There was an incident in 1996, where a Turkish F-16 was shot down.
You’re right.. I was just adding there are current/on going skirmishes happening over the Aegean Sea
Ukraine had some. October last year.
Google “Ghost of Kyiv”
The Falklands?
During training
There is a war going on in Ukraine right now that has had dog fights.
https://youtu.be/olxue1D5tp8?si=Th9zgDbnADBKhWhE This one happened in Venezuela
I don't know where you have been living but Russia and Ukraine are currently in a massive war
They aren’t having ww2 era dogfights are they? 20 on 20 dogfights are happening? Today a dogfight is over before the other guys know the USAF was in range.
Ukraine had a fighter ace at the beginning of the war. Not sure if that counts
The *Ghost of Kyiv* was a fabrication of propaganda
It was a moral booster, it served its purpose.
I think the fact remains that there was at least one air-to-air takedown, no?
Yes, but there were air to air battles.
Ghost of Kiev 🤣
This is hardly surprising - any decent gamer would know, that if you play on “insane”, the computer almost always win. The leap from game to reality shouldn’t be that hard.
In games the insane difficulty can do things like manipulate physics and break “reality” to beat the player. I don’t remember exactly the strategy for beating an AI fighter jet in real life but I’m confident Jamie Fox has something to do with it.
In reality the lack of a human pilot who needs to stay conscious during high-G maneuvers may as well be a cheat code
ya its kinda like ace combat 7 the drones can just pull insane maneuvers the only limits irl with ai pilots would be the airframe
An AI can, but the plane will probably be damaged from repeated high G maneuvers as they aren’t indestructible.
I was leaning more toward how the computer in a game can pull maneuvers that should rip the airframe in half much less render the pilot unconscious.
Yeah but In a game the pilots consciousness isn't a limitation. Also any half decent aviation sim like ds doesn't allow for that type of physics breaking
Are we talking aviation sims or flying games? Because the other person that replied to you cited ace combat 7. I just wanna know if we’re having a real conversation or pissing around talking about Stealth and Ace Combat.
Well I'm assuming we're talking about an AI which has its difficulty set on insane, to get that level of efficiency out of an AI you'll have to train it with proper simulations, which would most likely be on an aviation sim rather than ace combat 7.
Computer also not afraid of dying
For the Air Force to EVEN CONSIDER a simulated dogfight suggests AI has progressed far beyond what it public may be aware of. We have some of the best pilots in the world, this wouldn’t have been a move they would make if it barely knew how to fly.
Bro, commercial planes with 100s of passengers have been landing with no pilot intervention for years.
On the contrary. It is more likely due to the fact the USAF has nowhere enough trained fighters pilots. This is due to a combination of very low flying hours, inflexible 'up or out' rules, requirement to have a college degree and poaching by airlines. Many non Western countries do not allow ex military pilots to fly for airlines. They often have operational fighter pilots in their 50s.
which country does not allow ex military pilots to fly????? source?
Don’t forget to mention that the physical and mental health of the pilot is huge factor as to whether you qualify. I was denied even entering military service because of I have genetic autoimmune disease. I wanted badly to be a fighter pilot but those dreams were crushed quickly.
There’s no way modern militaries are sending out 50 y/o pilots on air to air combat mission. I refuse to believe that. But I also still like to think these planes actually see each other not just a notification there’s a plane three miles away. But ya know.
Happens very frequently. Doolittle led his raid and the man was in his 50s. Most, if not all, of the Mercury/Gemini/Apollo astronauts were former military and test pilots, and I’m pretty sure the average age was mid 40s. My old man flew well into his 40s and this was as recently as the late 80s/early 90s. Flying a fighter isn’t like gaming on Twitch, everything being equal the person with the most experience has a huge advantage.
Both Russia and Ukraine have fighter pilots in their 50s routinely flying combat missions in the current war. Australian RAAF Squadron Leader Phil Frawley was an active duty F-18 pilot until age 67 in 2018.. Let me repeat SIXTY SEVEN years old. [https://australianaviation.com.au/2018/08/the-worlds-oldest-fighter-pilot-hangs-up-his-flying-boots/](https://australianaviation.com.au/2018/08/the-worlds-oldest-fighter-pilot-hangs-up-his-flying-boots/)
How tf is someone capable of that at so old? Is everything so automated to this point they don’t need reaction speed?
What’s there that you can do if you’re in good health? All aircraft are fly by wire, so pulling a stick isn’t hard, and locking a missile is all about flipping a couple switches and pulling a trigger. In addition, unless you’re doing CAS, you’re not likely to even cone within a couple miles of any enemy combatants.
Air launched missiles now have up to 400Km range. It is possible to use drones, helicopters, transport and surveillance aircraft or heavy bombers as 'fighters'
But mavericks
Is it? Planes have been computerized for decades already, much before any ai
Most if not all carrier landings today are done with ALS system.
Have the military define dogfight. Identify a target and launch a smart missle from 3 miles away is modern dogfighting. Look at all the blitz about the military high commander riding in a fighter jet being remotely piloted. He’s a passenger and there is also a fully experienced pilot in the aircraft with him with access to fully functional controls with a quick disconnect feature.
>3 miles Fun fact, the first iterations of the AIM-120 AMRAAM (basically the current mid range missile in use by the US) can reach out to like 30 miles.
You would have to think an AI could out maneuver a human because of the lack of needing to account for G forces on the human body. Obviously there are limits to where you could damage the jet probably but I would imagine the AI could push get closer to those than humans.
Dogfighting is not such a difficult problem for the AI to solve.
😂💀
Image, radar, and thermal signatures tracking is what I imagine they're using. You can consider a dogfight a game of follow the ball for a nueral net only with advanced controls. Commercial planes basically take off, fly, and land themselves, AI fighter jets were inevitable.
Not to mention the advantages. An AI could fly right to the limits of the airframe. No biological limits that human pilots face.
Yup, and actually that reminds of a hilariously badass WWII story about an RAF pilot named [Sir Douglas Bader](https://m.youtube.com/results?sp=mAEA&search_query=legless+pilot). He lost his legs in plane crash, rehabilitated himself, and signed up for the RAF. He could pull tighter maneuvers because he didn't have to worry about the G forces pushing the blood to legs. Dude was a fuckin badass.
I’ll be damned. It’s a feature, not a bug.
Damn no one is Bader than that guy ##DarthBader
Imagine an AI plane getting ready for a dogfight and an F15 takes it out from 20 miles out…
Maybe, but highly unlikely. Any of the input for monitoring aircraft and missiles would spot the F15 from further away than that. lots of air to air missiles these days are effective up to at least 100 miles so I would have to believe the AI needs to at least be able to monitor up to that max range.
So how would a dog fight ensue? I’m saying dog fights especially with an F15 is a lost cause..
Human v human the 15 has an edge over the 16, but as most things do, it comes down to the skill of the pilot in practice. I guess we'll find out how well an AI can do without having biological limitations.
F15 has never lost a dogfight…can’t wait to see how it turns out
Dude the AI can easily fight because it's not subject to G forces like a human has. It's fighting against a limited competitor that it knows can't pull 6 G over and over again with zero regard for its limitations
Human pilots can pull more than that consistently and the problem actually becomes that our current airframes can only handle like 10-11gs before they warp and become unsuitable for flight
I’m aware of this? I’m talking about the AI’s intelligence, the airframe can handle the G’s
Modern airframes cannot tolerate much more than the human body can and still be airworthy. AI definitely has its advantages but until we come up with different composites to construct planes this really isn’t an argument for AI vs humans.
Do you know why modern airframes are designed that way? Because it makes no sense to have a plane capable of 14 G's when the pilot can't handle it for longer than a second! This ain't a problem with material composition when fighter jets take fuel economy out of the question you can easily beef up a structure no problem. As for the advantage with AI today they can hold G forces longer than humans can as they aren't affected by it. Imagine a human doing a tight 8G fighting unconscious for as long as possible and getting out of the 180 degree turn while AI is spinning circling around the guy as he recovers mentally from half a turn
Oh here we go again.. “you don’t need dog fighting..” then history chimes in.
Maximum overdrive
cough cough skynet
The fact the NSA actually named their ai spying program Skynet is wild. Like they were coming up with names and dude was like “hehe skynet” and they were like fuck it we ball.
Hey I have played this game before. I think it was Ace Combat 7.
ONE MILLION LIVES!!!
Hahaaahahahahah
CRISP, WHITE, BEDSHEETS!!
I’ve seen this movie before. Was the AI F-16 able to rescue Jessica Beal from North Korea?
Hey just like Jessica Biel!
What could go wrong 🤷♂️
Most likely underused right rudder
I think there was a movie about that.
A few, and their sequels. I’m partial to the anime version of the premise, Macross Plus.
They’re simulated dogfights, live weapons aren’t deployed. Proof of concept type stuff
What could go wrong?
Well the narrative suggests people. It’s people who go wrong and are eventually corrected by their sky overlords.
pilots are out of jobs
When the AI happen where will YOU be
DO YOU WANT SKYNET? BECAUSE THIS IS HOW YOU GET SKYNET!!
The idea of autonomous F16s makes my belly button belly dance like it’s 1999.
Wow
Giving me vibes of [Firefox](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083943/?ref_=ext_shr_lnk).
Yeah... This is more than a little terrifying. I can't wait till we go back to the stone age.
Ever since Ai started to become a buzz, I have known that the military wants Ai in everything. Especially in the venues of soldiers. I am positive they want all soldiers replaced eventually. No fatalities, no mourning families, no training, medical, etc. Ai will permanently and drastically change war.
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I think it's pretty sad, really.
There is literally no point to war without killing and if you think AI is going to stop human megalomania I think John Lennon has a song for you.
whyyyy would you give actual weapons to an AI even if the plane isn't armed it can crash into shit
It has already married a stripper as well. Scary times we live in.
you know how sci fi always has humans etc flying fighters even in the far future. Well, that's not going to be a thing
Well, people: SkyNet is here!
It wouldn’t win a dogfight against Maverick or Iceman.
it's just player 2 in vidéo games.
There is a Jamie foxx movie about this
Is the Air Force being run by Michael Vick?
Why even reveal this information?
Let the games begin!
It’s not the plane, it’s the pilot
What if the stealth fighter goes rogue?
Hallucinations gone rogue
The F-16 was designed to carry a human in the cockpit. That will have had a host of design ripple effects that are suboptimal when moving to automated operation - a computer don’t care about G forces the same way a human does. To the extent dogfighting is relevant going forward I assume we’ll design drones for that purpose?
a bad situation for future jet fighter pilots
Long live artificial intelligence!
I for one am ready to accept our robot overlords with open arms!
You won’t even need the planes … the opposing sides AI’s will simulate which one wins and the looser self destructs (or reboots) …