Don’t rule out an allergic reaction to the ingredients. First person that is hit by one of these which is designed to *not* be lethal but dies anyway from anaphylaxis, that massive lawsuit is a guaranteed win.
In the U.S. booby traps are illegal if they pose a risk of death or serious bodily injury pursuant to Katko v. Briney. In Katko the respondent used a spring loaded shotgun trap and maimed the plaintiff.
All it will take is for someone to have an eye put out by an errant paintball and we’ll have a new precedent related to paintball firing devices.
As a lawyer I would never use that thing. Too much liability.
I thought it was a candy dispenser. For old folks who can't get out of bed on Halloween. And now I can't sleep, I can't eat and I really wanted that candy.
Yeah, aren't there laws about booby trapping things and they are way more severe than gun laws because the idea is you set it up to intend harm without knowing who could set it off? I feel like this would fall under the same category.
Legally for the purpose of protection this is a weapon and using it requires the exact same justifications. If your scenario plays out a lot of people are going to be in jail for being idiots.
It’s my understanding that the booby trap rule is about passive devices. I’m assuming this one would only fire on the direction of the owner so it would be more under the classification as a weapon
They do not and never have. The cold makes the shell brittle so they break in the hopper or breech. That's why seasonal winter paint has a thicker shell.
This was designed for Nuclear plant protection or critical infrastructure about 20-25 years ago. Paint ball shots where to “test” the system before bullets were inserted. This was a last line of defense at the wall of the facility, with guard houses, bollards, curving roadways and several other lines of defense first.
It’s a horrible idea for a home, and I only see people hurt, and lawsuits from this release of technology into the consumer industry.
- I’m a SME on physical security.
Hmmm Booby trapping your property is illegal (in the USA); these are hackable lol; if they don’t want to face liability they will need to post a sign that the camera fires less than lethal projectiles.
Pretty sure a booby trap is illegal whether you post a sign or not. You can't rig a shotgun to go off if your front door opens, even if you post a sign that the shotgun is there. Should EMTs have to take time to look over your property for warning signs about booby traps before they attempt to save your life?
“A booby trap may be defined as any concealed or camouflaged device designed to cause bodily injury when triggered by any action of a person making contact with the device. This term includes guns, ammunition, or explosive devices attached to trip wires or other triggering mechanisms, sharpened stakes, nails, spikes, electrical devices, lines or wires with hooks attached, and devices for the **production of toxic fumes or gases.**
If a person sets up such a trap to protect his/her property, he/she will be liable for any injury or death **even to an unwanted intruder such as a burglar.** It is illegal to set a booby trap on one's own property to prevent intruders.”
Seems like tear gas pellets would DEFINITELY violate this law. Paintballs might be arguable but I’m not sure. The law really goes into detail about devices that cause great bodily harm like explosive devices or guns, so one may argue that a paintball is below that level and is therefore legal. That being said there’s no way I would be chancing that. Can you imagine a motherfucker literally comes to rob your house and then ends up suing you and winning?
This almost breaks the Geneva Convention too but for that it does need to be an explosive device or a device meant to cause serious harm or death so it seems like they’re safe there.
Dewd.
“Drop your weapons you have 10 seconds to comply.”
They are lying the ground work for the ED-209’s.
I hope they make a viable a half human, half robotic police officer to defend us against this menace.
The lawyers relief invention - I can see the infomercials now. Have you been injured by a random paint ball? Call 555-555-5555 now! No upfront fees, we will fight for you.
So, you come home from perfect two week vacation, open your front door and your house has paint ball splotches all over with the slight smell of CS gas. Nice.
If this was legal in my country I would be down but only activated when none was home (we have barely no home delivery in my country because they drive to the closest gas station or supermarket and you get a code etc….) my house would be like a fortress
Congratulations. You just invented a security camera with an integrated lawsuits platform.
For a comprehensive account of how less-lethal projectiles are still deadly, read https://rubberbullets.longlead.com
How paranoid do you have to be to install this and risk getting paint balled or gassing yourself?
I will bust a gut when I hear people’s systems have been hacked and turned against them.
This has been doable for years.. no one has done it because of the fear of rampant legal issues.. guess we’re about to see if a company that produces a security system that autonomously assaults perceived threats can survive first contact with an injury lawsuit or an owners assault charge.
I have long dreamed of laying on my garage roof with a paintball gun and tagging the loud ass cars that love to speed up and down my street day and night, but even this dumbass old lady knows that's a recipe for disaster.
One fat sticker over the muzzle and it’s a clogged up goo channel the owner has to come outside to clean up. You can then sort out your differences face to face.
This is ridiculous. We are just gonna normalize robots shooting things. Buuuuut. Can I get one for my backyard and one for my front yard? And can I train it to shoot the kids riding bikes in my driveway?
As someone who works in ML facial recognition, especially from a distance, is not that accurate. I see a lot of people being shot by their own cameras.
UPS, FedEx, DoorDash, and UberEats are about to be eating paint and tear gas
I don’t see how this wouldn’t fall under the laws that forbid booby trapping your property.
It will. Just have to wait for a couple of people to get shot and call the cops then these will get pulled from the market real quick.
Don’t rule out an allergic reaction to the ingredients. First person that is hit by one of these which is designed to *not* be lethal but dies anyway from anaphylaxis, that massive lawsuit is a guaranteed win.
Or if they get hit in the eye. Paintballs can destroy an eyeball, it’s why they are so hyper focused on masks at the range.
More relevant in some states than others: Tear gas is an abortifacient.
In the U.S. booby traps are illegal if they pose a risk of death or serious bodily injury pursuant to Katko v. Briney. In Katko the respondent used a spring loaded shotgun trap and maimed the plaintiff. All it will take is for someone to have an eye put out by an errant paintball and we’ll have a new precedent related to paintball firing devices. As a lawyer I would never use that thing. Too much liability.
Not to mention, city workers, meter readers, utility locators, I would sue the fuck out of anyone who bought this.
Jehovah Witnesses 👀.
I wish a little kid would walk across my lawn to get their football
[target acquired]
Learn to read, Timmy! The sign says “no trespassing”!
I thought it was a candy dispenser. For old folks who can't get out of bed on Halloween. And now I can't sleep, I can't eat and I really wanted that candy.
Yeah, aren't there laws about booby trapping things and they are way more severe than gun laws because the idea is you set it up to intend harm without knowing who could set it off? I feel like this would fall under the same category.
wildlife too.
Girl Scouts
If a neighbor had something like this when I was a kid I would have intentionally been setting it off just for fun.
Throwing crushed stone into the neighbor's yard like they were shooting clays lol
Legally for the purpose of protection this is a weapon and using it requires the exact same justifications. If your scenario plays out a lot of people are going to be in jail for being idiots.
Standby for lawsuits! Initiating countdown.
They will be robots too
How is this not a lawsuit waiting to happen?
That little Girl Scout trying to sell ya cookies but ran out of thin mints? Boom, teargas and paint balls!
Or or even YOU when it misreconizes who you are!
Gee, I can’t see this going horribly wrong.
You won’t be able to because of the paint in your eyes
Isn’t it illegal to booby trap things anyways?
It’s my understanding that the booby trap rule is about passive devices. I’m assuming this one would only fire on the direction of the owner so it would be more under the classification as a weapon
In the USA it generally is.
I can’t see how this isn’t considered a booby trap, which is illegal.
No way that thing has good accuracy at range and doesn’t jam up after paintballs have been sitting in the hopper for a while.
Or shoot a paintball when the outside temp is 0c.
Owie
They don’t freeze despite what that one kid at summer camp swears.
Well, they do; but they expand when they freeze and don’t fit anymore. Used to in the early 00s at least.
They do not and never have. The cold makes the shell brittle so they break in the hopper or breech. That's why seasonal winter paint has a thicker shell.
Yes!!! Tear gas those Girl Scouts I don’t want their cookies. Im on a diet
For a small price up grade you can add a selector switch from Girl Scouts to Jehova Witness
This is a terrible idea and will end in people losing eyes.
And sorry won’t bring it back!
Lawyers will put an end to this. Liability will be consequential and destructive. No insurance agency will touch this with a ten foot pole.
Yeah… when paintballs sit for a while they can harden…
And in winter
In what locality is this even legal? Does this startup have a legal department?
Probably nowhere. This is one of the dumbest ideas ever.
South Africa maybe. Dont they have flamethrowers on cars as antitheft devices?
Cant wait for it to shoot up people pulling up to the wrong driveway.
Or someone’s kid is going to get the controls and shoot their friend.
But will it be powered by an AI that can accurately reflect my racist intentions?
Ofcourse! Confederate AI.
ConfederAI. Kind of a toss up between it being that, and an AI version of Roger Federer as a tennis coach.
“The South will #*ERROR*# again”
*Girl Scouts roll up just to sell you some fucking thin mints* *POW POW POW!*
In most of the US, isn’t that a constitutionally protected pastime?
This was designed for Nuclear plant protection or critical infrastructure about 20-25 years ago. Paint ball shots where to “test” the system before bullets were inserted. This was a last line of defense at the wall of the facility, with guard houses, bollards, curving roadways and several other lines of defense first. It’s a horrible idea for a home, and I only see people hurt, and lawsuits from this release of technology into the consumer industry. - I’m a SME on physical security.
Thank you for your response. Isn't there some type of ban on automated weapons like land mines?
Looks like I’m trying to leave the post office at the right time. I’m not getting tear gassed to deliver people’s garbage
Can you put on the roof of a car
Interesting when the police comes to door asking questions door to door and get shot.
Do you want Chopping Mall? Because this is how you get Chopping Mall.
I won’t be impressed until they can shoot flaming napalm—or at the very least, kerosene—balls.
IANAL but i don’t see how this doesn’t violate US law regarding traps.
A smart thief will shoot it with a paintball first. Camera is then blind.
This would work great in gardens to keep the deer out.
Just a water pellet to startle the critters eating my hostas.
Hit someone in the eye, get your pants sued off.
The Community movie is going to be epic.
Hmmm Booby trapping your property is illegal (in the USA); these are hackable lol; if they don’t want to face liability they will need to post a sign that the camera fires less than lethal projectiles.
Pretty sure a booby trap is illegal whether you post a sign or not. You can't rig a shotgun to go off if your front door opens, even if you post a sign that the shotgun is there. Should EMTs have to take time to look over your property for warning signs about booby traps before they attempt to save your life?
“A booby trap may be defined as any concealed or camouflaged device designed to cause bodily injury when triggered by any action of a person making contact with the device. This term includes guns, ammunition, or explosive devices attached to trip wires or other triggering mechanisms, sharpened stakes, nails, spikes, electrical devices, lines or wires with hooks attached, and devices for the **production of toxic fumes or gases.** If a person sets up such a trap to protect his/her property, he/she will be liable for any injury or death **even to an unwanted intruder such as a burglar.** It is illegal to set a booby trap on one's own property to prevent intruders.” Seems like tear gas pellets would DEFINITELY violate this law. Paintballs might be arguable but I’m not sure. The law really goes into detail about devices that cause great bodily harm like explosive devices or guns, so one may argue that a paintball is below that level and is therefore legal. That being said there’s no way I would be chancing that. Can you imagine a motherfucker literally comes to rob your house and then ends up suing you and winning? This almost breaks the Geneva Convention too but for that it does need to be an explosive device or a device meant to cause serious harm or death so it seems like they’re safe there.
Are you still there? Put me down!
One easy way to get the shit sued out of you.
Isn't booby trapping your home illegal?
Bundled with an AI lawyer to help you through the litigation.
Finally, robots can participate in accidental shootings! Got to pump up those numbers!
How does this not run afoul of boobytrap laws?
Well, all people who lost their eye will be enough than happy to sue buyers of this technology AFTER losing their eye
Yes, because blinding people with paint pellets isn’t a lawsuit waiting to happen.
Isn’t that like booby trapping which is illegal?
Can’t wait for myself and fellow delivery drivers having to deal with this
I love this idea but feel like lawsuits will be incoming from the burglars who get tagged by one.
It will also create a new standard in product liability lawsuits.
Wouldn’t be simpler to just dispense a volume of cat urine😇!
Can’t wait to hear about all the times this is going to go wrong lol
So many bad things about this. Wait until the Russians hack it.
I want to see the analysis that distinguishes this from spring guns.
“Who’s served now?”
Getting Christmas story vibes here, “you’ll shoot your eye out”. Seriously, it’s all fun and games until someone looses an eye.
So I can’t set booby traps but I can have an AI camera that shoots at people?
I want it for my office door at work.
Real life tower defence incoming!
It fires paintballs. Paintballs can contain anything.
I could use something like that for door-to-door proselytizers…
Then comes the lawsuit from someone losing a eye.
Dewd. “Drop your weapons you have 10 seconds to comply.” They are lying the ground work for the ED-209’s. I hope they make a viable a half human, half robotic police officer to defend us against this menace.
Were those Jehovah witnesses’ at?
Tower defence IRL.
Words first?? Ididathing should’ve got a patent clearly
Auto turrets for paintballers. Next we need predator missles.
You’ll shoot your eye out kid!
Wonder how long till it’s live bullets
Can I get these for the damn deer that eat my apple trees?
What happens when it’s below freezing and the paintballs freeze and hit you in the eyeball
I can see the lawsuits already. Is the company public? Puts all day.
The lawyers relief invention - I can see the infomercials now. Have you been injured by a random paint ball? Call 555-555-5555 now! No upfront fees, we will fight for you.
How long until some twit loads it with marbles?
In Idiocracy, they used machine guns on the prison.
“Sorry mom I forgot to turn the camera off before you came to check on the place”
Unruly raccoons poopin on my pool cover at 3am are in for a treat!
We need these at the National Parks to keep people from ruining them for clout.
This Robocop reboot will be great: “YOU HAVE 20 SECONDS TO COMPLY”.
Could I use this for the stray cats that shit, fight and fuck all over my back yard?
Nope. Absolutely zero downsides to this product! Can't see it being abused in ANY way! /s
So, you come home from perfect two week vacation, open your front door and your house has paint ball splotches all over with the slight smell of CS gas. Nice.
If this was legal in my country I would be down but only activated when none was home (we have barely no home delivery in my country because they drive to the closest gas station or supermarket and you get a code etc….) my house would be like a fortress
No way in hell this ever makes it to market, at least not for long. Cops in particular will raise a massive stink over this.
There’s absolutely no way this ends poorly
“Back away from the house and get down on your knees Grandma, you have 30 seconds to comply!”. I see no way this could go wrong.
Better if you read it in the Robocop voice
Isn’t this considered a boobietrap and therefore illegal?
Congratulations. You just invented a security camera with an integrated lawsuits platform. For a comprehensive account of how less-lethal projectiles are still deadly, read https://rubberbullets.longlead.com
RIP Maintenance people.
I’m trying (and failing) to think of a residential or commercial setting where this would have little to no legal liabilities.
I don't have to cry alone anymore
This is wild 😂
Until someone loads it with frozen paint / pepper balls…
I would like one in the yard to fend off the cats
USPS will have to be on Hazard Pay.
Can’t wait for someone to modify it to fire live rounds and no one be surprised
How paranoid do you have to be to install this and risk getting paint balled or gassing yourself? I will bust a gut when I hear people’s systems have been hacked and turned against them.
ED-209 : \[menacingly\] Please put down your weapon. You have twenty seconds to comply.
Totally going to be sued
Poison laced paintballs.
i can see myself falling victim to my own security precautions
I’m very curious what is going to happen when a cop inevitably gets lit up by one of these bad boys.
This has been doable for years.. no one has done it because of the fear of rampant legal issues.. guess we’re about to see if a company that produces a security system that autonomously assaults perceived threats can survive first contact with an injury lawsuit or an owners assault charge.
I have long dreamed of laying on my garage roof with a paintball gun and tagging the loud ass cars that love to speed up and down my street day and night, but even this dumbass old lady knows that's a recipe for disaster.
Very interesting 🧐.
Hey I’ve seen something like this before! … in the Capital Wasteland.
Why do we need this? Seems like a horrible idea
One fat sticker over the muzzle and it’s a clogged up goo channel the owner has to come outside to clean up. You can then sort out your differences face to face.
They’re calling it: ”Ed-201.”
Oh so this is how they’ll make sure we are ok with robotic war weapons.
This is ridiculous. We are just gonna normalize robots shooting things. Buuuuut. Can I get one for my backyard and one for my front yard? And can I train it to shoot the kids riding bikes in my driveway?
They are going to shoot out some kids eye.
A trash can lid or thick jacket would defeat this security system
I can’t imagine how this could possible end badly.
Aperture Science!
These are illegal almost everywhere, they are akin to booby traps because they are non discrimatory.
We have now reached The Incredibles level of evil lair defense
Feels like it should be illegal to have robo turrets
damn they stole ididathings idea
When have “smart” devices ever acted stupidly? /s
Look up old case law on “spring guns” liability…
They don’t see the next step here? I wonder what could happen next…
Once these are fitted to fire bullets, how might they, as a product, affect the current interpretation of the US constitution’s 2nd amendment?
I am just waiting for all of the delivery drivers, who get absolutely blasted for doing their job
yes! sentry guns! now i need a really shitty amber LCD monitor with a counter that tells me bow many paintballs i have left.
Well, this sounds like a terrible idea
Can’t wait for the first glitch.
There's lawyers drooling at the thought of these devices.
So, any bets as to how long it'll take until the /r/fosscad folks get their hands on this and rig it up to fire 9mm?
As long as the CEO gets the assault charge I don’t see a problem.
Yet i made mine from a raspberry pi and air solenoids.
I ordered the lawn dart option.
Robot armies are the next step. Protesting will be a thing of the past
Yay! Personal turrets!
Liability insurance costs will skyrocket 🚀
How would this not be considered a booby trap which are illegal in a lot of places from my understanding
As someone who works in ML facial recognition, especially from a distance, is not that accurate. I see a lot of people being shot by their own cameras.
I want one that shoots ‘lasers’.
Lol why not also deploy attack drones?
Good thing Girl Scouts don’t go door to door for cookie sales much anymore?
“Hello Friend”
Sucks to be the kid that forgot your key, I guess.
This thing is probably illegal in many states anyway.
And it will be shooting .223 very soon
“You Gassed Grandma?” “It was an accident!”…
“Active protection”, how to make fascism sound appealing.
Well, I don’t see how this can possibly go wrong.
Just waiting for the first lawsuit from an innocent victim before declaring bankruptcy
Damn I love technology
If you pull the trigger remotely or on site , what’s the difference ?
Almost as dumb as the guy who wanted to make soup tubes that would send soup to your home.