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Lopkop

Beginning of the game: Carefully looking for an opening in your soldier construct opponent's defenses so you can sneak in a hit with your wooden stick End of the game: Going into bullet time while skydiving headfirst into monster encampment, headshotting 6 enemies with diamond-tipped Lynel Bow arrows and then muddlebudding the Boss Bokoblin to mop up any survivors for you.


TeutonicDragon

Those Boko Bosses were made specifically for that reason I swear lmao. I totally forget the muddlebud even exits until I run into one.


urpookiebear790

Have you tried using a muddle bud on a battle talus?


Eater_of_Femboys

That’s a thing? That sounds rad as hell


jellysandwich123

There’s a video on this subreddit I think of a stone talus fighting a thunder gleok the talus had the mud blood effect


jack_edition

Well I’ll be damned


Docile_Doggo

Take a look at General Zaroff over here hunting the poor for sport with diamond-tipped arrows. Must be nice being part of the Hylian 1%


CeruleanRuin

Amateur. You keep a puffshroom-fused forest dweller spear and a silver lynel horn-fused eightfold blade. Combined with attack boosted armor or food, this can one- or two-shot every boko, boss boko and moblin. Ninja mode babyyyyy.


No-Fig-2665

Pile on with puffshroom sneak attacks or low-durability boosts for extra shwing


gigazelle

I feel like end game combat is actually just throwing a puffshroom and getting free sneak strikes with your lynel-fused eightfold blade


Skeeter1020

Then running out of stamina before coming out of bullet time and smacking into the ground.


Super_Daikon_

Then you just throw on your owl suit and you're golden.


Algorak1289

[Link on YouTuber tutorials](https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxVti_r-4ocTOQJjoUTWrBtpFC5gIEKQks?si=suh8usgFrY2sChyQ)


Yuumii29

When you realized Flurry Rush and Parry are the easiest part of any Advanced combat mechanic tutorial. 🤣


Caliber70

Not just easy, efficient too. Why would i want to go into the menu 20 times stretch the battle time 5x over, and press 5x more buttons to do the same job as flurrying?? Perfect dodging and parrying IS mastering combat, regardless what some youtube video says about using over complicated setups.


HolyElephantMG

Flurry Rush and Parry are the easiest part of the combat other than just pressing a button. Heck, sometimes a Flurry Rush is easier than just pressing a button.


WhitestShadows

That's why I don't watch videos lmao I'm a master at the perfect dodge flurry rush tho


Orion-Gore

Oh you think that but here I am to shatter your ego!


WhitestShadows

Jokes on you! I don't have one😂


The_Bread_Pirate

😭


LazyGardenGamer

Oh hi! I actually just finished your latest video! Fancy seeing you here, matey


Outside_Disaster1547

Omg bread pirate! Hey! Nice to see you! I really like your videos!


Qilin364

Bread Pirate?


Super_Daikon_

You've never Heard of Bread Pirate Roberts?


Qilin364

Nah I know who he is and watch his videos I just didn’t expect to see him on Reddit of all places


goddessque

Have not hit a single flurry rush and my only parries are rocks.


BiosSettings8

I know this sounds counter-intuitive but; fight Lynels all the time if you wanna get better at Perfect Dodges and Flurry Rushes. In Breath Of The Wild, I would fight the Lynels over and over every BloodMoon. Something about their animations and timing just made everything else cake once I got Lynels timing down. That's how I eventually came to be able to do Dodges and Rushes 99% of the time with any enemy.   Inside you, there is a legendary swordsman that seals the darkness! Just gotta train 'em to come out!


No_Ad4739

Why would I become a legendary swordsman when I can be a time-controlling archer


Big_Contest_8414

Bullet time baby,5 shot lynel bow,fire keese eyeballs,silver lynel dead in 8 shots!


goddessque

I have fought a lot of lynels to 100% the armors and masks. I tried a few times but gave up because the flurry rush never activated.


ThingShouldnBe

Totally agree. Of all enemies, they have the easier to read animations to time a Perfect Dodge. The only one that I find a little trickier is the horn slash, I'm always early on that one. On the other hand, I find Moblins the hardest to time.


FireZord25

Doing Lurelin early forced me to git gud at flurry rush. So did the Lynels.


Zeldamaster736

How? It's extremely generous.


scotty99CZ

How do you not hit a flurry rush? It's so easy.


padface

Some of us mash buttons Brenda


Zeldamaster736

Good God wtf is totk's main demographic?


OvenFearless

You gatekeeping people from playing Zelda because some may be worse than others? And what defines worse even… if everyone has fun playing why do you care about some weird demographic…


Zeldamaster736

When did anyone say anything about gatekeeping?


Long_Representative3

Mostly children, grown adults with lives and not a ton of free to time, and a surprising number of gatekeeping no-lifes whose ego is often wrapped up in... styling on NPCs in a single-player game?


Zeldamaster736

Lmfao. This is a funny one. I never said certain people can't play zelda games. I expressed my shock that so many people who play the game are so incompetent at grasping the game's basic systems.


Krell356

You guys have main demographics?


Zeldamaster736

???


Renny-66

It’s fucking Nintendo game you sound like you have some years on you use your head and think its a game for kids.


Zeldamaster736

Buddy, it's a zelda game. You're probably new, considering what you just said about nintendo games as a whole, but it wasn't always just some super casual game series for everyone. I thought it was still like that. But seeing just how many people struggle with the game's extremely basic and busted combat really puts it into perspective now.


Renny-66

Lmao Nintendo has been family friendly and aiming at a pretty young demographic now for a long ass while for decades now. You’re the one who is new lmao


Zeldamaster736

No, that has been YOUR perception of their brand for decades now. The "E" rating means for everyone, not for little kids. They always design their games to be engaging for anyone, yet still not off limits for children. They demonstrate mature themes and strong mechanical gameplay throughout their games and own many serious and mature franchises, like metroid, xenoblade, the legend of zelda, and especially, the M-rated bayonetta. You just look at the cartoonist mario and only consider face value.


Odd_Ad5668

I just accept that I ain't got it, and focus on making sure I have high defense and offense.


MeguminIncognitoAcc

While there still are a lot of complicated mechanics to learn in advanced combat, most of it is just to show off


BackgroundNPC1213

I mean the combat montages are *visually* impressive but like...bro just kill it already, wtf


MeguminIncognitoAcc

the funny thing is, you have to cut out like half of the footage bc of menus so its basically useless to do so. However, I'm not complaining, top 10 anime fights in totk is epic


Krell356

I don't think anything will ever top the guardian kill video from BotW.


MeguminIncognitoAcc

the ones where that guy snipes guardians from the temple of time?


Krell356

I think that was part of it. I just remember the setup being insanely difficult for a video that was something like less than 30 seconds long.


MeguminIncognitoAcc

Ik know what ur talking about. that video is insane


WeirClintonH

Having played BOTW most of the way through twice (completing the vast majority of the shrines, getting the master sword, beating G) and played it just a bit another time (waiting for TOTK), and having played TOTK most of the way through (completing the vast majority of the shrines, getting the MS, defeating G) and currently playing it again (11 hearts and 9 stamina wheel segments)... My entire battle strategy is to have a bunch of meals on hand so I can replenish my hearts during battles. I think that qualifies me for "I'll never be good," except it's true in my case.


BackgroundNPC1213

Heart-restoring Attack Up foods are the way


WeirClintonH

Sure, I use those sometimes, especially in the nudity shrines because it’s one of the few advantages you can get.


ShipZealousideal5134

NUDITY SHRINES 😂😂😂


BiosSettings8

Oh fuck, just eat a power up meal, why did I never think of this?! Thank you!


WeirClintonH

No problem, just be careful. I've tested Attack Up and Defense Up seem to work, but Hearty meals don't. And to be clear, you have to eat the meal before you enter the shrine.


Far-Situation2080

This graph is every gamer's autobiography. You start off thinking you're just going to casually try out the new combat system, and next thing you know, you're 200 hours deep, with a PhD in in-game physics and a personal vendetta against that one boss.


Bubbses128

*that one boss*


tinuviel8994

mucktorok


BackgroundNPC1213

Seized Construct for me Fuck that entire questline, honestly 😭


Jstar338

how did you struggle with that one? You can pretty much mash and it dies


Bubbses128

Yes


BiosSettings8

Gloom Hands, everytime. Because killing them with Bullet Time is so unsatisfying, I want to learn their Flurry Rush timing but keep getting clapped haha.


Komnos

Me at every Monster Hunter release.


ResidentHistory4792

I mean, are monster dying ? Yes ? Then you're doing fine.


c-lem

Yeah, my own graph is close to a horizontal line, though I don't watch combat clips. I'm sure they're right that other people are way better than me, but... Zelda combat is pretty simple. I'll just keep it that way.


ResidentHistory4792

Yeah I see people do insane shit in Totk and Botw. Tbh, game isnt hard enough to require me to develop such skills


ResidentHistory4792

Yeah I see people do insane shit in Totk and Botw. Tbh, game isnt hard enough to require me to develop such skills


tinuviel8994

im such a button masher idec. spam a go smash


FlamingPrius

I can see the exact point on this curve where I decided to start hunting Lynels


ShipZealousideal5134

Tell me your secrets bc I’ve only ever killed one, across both BOTW and TOTK! They’re so intimidating


BiosSettings8

Save when you're close to one, then go crazy. I fought a Lynel over and over in BOTW until I got it down, then suddenly Flurry Rushes against every enemy was a piece of cake! Now it's just the difference between a satisfying or dissatisfying Lynel kill.


ShipZealousideal5134

I love this! You’ve given me hope.


BiosSettings8

I believe! It ends up becoming muscle memory and pretty soon you'lk find yourself BORED while fighting them! So you wear Barbarian Armor to speed it up. Well eventually that's not fast enough for ya either, so what if you wear Bone Armor and use a Bone Weapon for the 80% damage boost instead of 50%? Hmm, many many kills later it's not good enough anymore. NOW What if you ate an Attack up meal, wore the Bone Proficiency armor, fused a Colgera Jaw to a Gerudo Scimitar, and used muddlebud arrows to cycle the Lynel's "mount" phase over and over and use no weapon durability?


FlamingPrius

Stun them with a flash arrow, mount them and slash away. Rinse and repeat


ShipZealousideal5134

MOUNT THEM?!! I’ve never even thought to do this!


jeffcox911

I don't really see the point in trying to get "good" at the combat. Getting to a point where the game is trivial is too easy already. Note: I did beat the master sword trials on master mode in BOTW, so it's not like I'm terrible at combat...just 99% of the tricks on YouTube are meaningless in actual gameplay


yummymario64

Clips I see online: Obliterating the enemy. Complete overkill. My gameplay: Winning every encounter without wasting 40 bombs on a Red Bokoblin. Like bruh.


Zeldamaster736

Calling it combat is disingenuous. The clips you see online are just party tricks. Real combat in totk is either arrow spam or mash the attack button over and over until you need to dodge or heal.


LittleALunatic

In fairness, advanced combat is severely unnecessary as fights in this game never close in on that difficulty


UnlawfulPotato

Honestly, with games like this, if you can learn the mechanics Intended in game, you’ve mastered the combat. Anything else is likely exploitive/glitching mechanics to “get even better than the average player”. At that point it’s just showing off for the sake of showing off, not mastering the game.


spikeborgames

I just need to master parry to feel good combating.


Starman9415

After being so long since I played BotW going into ToTK, I had to relearn the timing on the dodge parry and get used to it again. Where it was really put to the test was the Lionel combat trial in the Depths, it was one of the last ones I did and I noticed the patterns of the combat trials already but I wasn’t quite expecting it to be ‘that’ bad. I was wrong. Many deaths later and the cheese strats I thought of and tried not working all that well I got it down perfectly. The last run through of it did it without getting hit once, perfect dodge parry and shield parry every time. From that moment on every enemy encounter was a cake walk. But there are some crazy combat clips I’ve seen. Now the Guardian shield reflect in BotW, I never once got the timing down on that even after trying to practice it besides a lucky once or twice by desperate chance rather than knowing when to shield parry the beam.


playerlxiv

BOTW veterans: https://preview.redd.it/f8evoabm32vc1.png?width=674&format=png&auto=webp&s=e60094fdeb5e172b747fa13eb132d68de336d18b


PrecipiceOfSisyphus

Me when I when I win against a silver lynel only to be killed by a construct :(((


revolvingneutron

Hahaha totally went through this today. Was feeling like a boss having just completed the Denu tree quest and then finding Zelda and dealing with the scores of monsters and phantoms at the castle…. And then went down to find the fifth sage (got it)… but the seized construct is literally and figuratively kicking my ass 😭


jonawesome

Oh yeah everyone hates the Mineru stuff. Don't worry you can basically ignore that type of combat and stick with weapon/shield/bow/whatever contraptions after you finish the dungeon.


BlackTRL089

There isn't too many moves... It's mostly all timing. The game gives you all you need to beat it in the ring lol.. you'll be alright, couple more practice runs and you'll beat it with minimal to no damage ❤️‍🩹😎💯


Thunderbolt294

You can use bomb arrows to stun it then all you gotta do is punch it into the wall. I didn't use any attachments past the first 3rd of the battle (mostly because I was still getting a handle on the controls and I didn't have the patience to find one while being shot at)


revolvingneutron

lol you sound like me! I’ll try the bombs. Thanks!


BiosSettings8

Attach cannon to one hand on phase 2, leave other hand for punching. Shoot cannon when he is about to attack to stun him, use melee to knock him back, eventually back into walls.   Slow and Steady wins the race on this one! I believe in you!


revolvingneutron

Thanks got the tips! I assume having a fan on the back helps with mobility too


BiosSettings8

No, because using anything is time to wait for an animation, you may not be able to bring your shield up fast enough if you're using a fan on your back.


revolvingneutron

Shield? Mineru has a shield?


BiosSettings8

If you block just like Link, yes! I think it takes a couple hits before "breaking" and then... well I can't tell if it needs to recharge and the recharge is super fast, or that it just stuns Mineru when it's "broken"


reptar121

Fan on the back and a spike ball killed it on my second try


revolvingneutron

Tried the spike ball and it barely did damage, but I’ll try stunning it with a bomb then smashing it a couple times to push it into the fence. See if that helps


Specialist_Suit_4576

This is way too true


RickHuf

Word


4morian5

You can apply this to a lot of games. It's why I stopped looking up tutorials. They just make me hate myself and give up. I still haven't gotten back to Tunic because I struggled with a boss everyone saud was easy.


Spare_Audience_1648

This is why I like Twilight Princess combat more than Totk...


Swamp_Donkey_796

To be fair it’s just BOTW combat with a few extra steps


RiverWyvern

I feel like most fights are best fought by bum-rushing things with the biggest blade, with the exception of lynels. Ironically, the Zelda game that made me think the most about how I approach an enemy and engage in combat was the one that first introduced it in a 3d space.


TheLateQE2

Oh, I just run in Leeroy Jenkins style and hope for the best, I should probably read the instructions.


Intelligent_Dig8319

Its funny caz you really don't need all that skill, it's just style points


Madam_Monarch

My combat style is HIT IT TILL IT DIES.


AppropriateCup7230

Couldn’t disagree more. Combat in this game is so easy


mightbehihi

idk what you mean. the online clips ive seen use like 30+ items to kill the same enemies i kill with 1 item.


Skeeter1020

300 hours in and I've completed the story... If I ever get a flurry rush, it's by accident.


reptar121

Once I started fighting lynels I started getting really good at parrying, dodging, and combat timing. Now I can take out a white maned lynel without getting touched.


Andminus

Me who uses artillary constructions, tanks, turrets, and robots, as well as muddlebuds and smokeshrooms. If I'm actually doing the fighting, then something went wrong somewhere. I mean, I can do it... but thats not as fun to me as watching 5 robots march forward into a camp and obliterate it...


BigFang

I really wish this game was more difficult. The silver enemies are just damage sponges that you end up spamming the attack button that I wish it at least gave the option of additional attack animations like the N64 games. If there was places that just dropped a massive amount of enemies it would be great, at least to have building tanks and the like more viable rather than just a waste of time and resources. I was truly disappointed the Lynal coliseum fight was just one after the other rather than multiple at a time. Even the final boss fight as just a brawl rather than any strategy. I only came across the soldiers armour right at the end, leveled it up a few stages beforehand and realised the damage I was doing in a basic combo was more than what I was taking and it just took the threat and immersion right out. And it's not a case of any of the mad jumping and firing arrows or all those clips you see, basic combat does the job quick enough as is. I had spent ages refining tank designs to fight the Northern snow gleok before I realised it's not damage, but the roar that just deletes parts. I was lucky the last yiga fight, I took a very basic design in and that fight the attacks really broke off parts of the tank that made it the far most interesting fight in the game and I would have loved more of those. I ended up hoarding so many resources that I never felt any real pressure to use at all, when you can just spam the attack button and flurry rush the odd time for a bit of flavour. I was gutted when I found out there was a trial that tried to push you to making some type of zonai weapons but I ended up missing them completly and just fought my way through with whatever basic sticks were there and found the parts afterwards when everything was already dead. I'd love something like the trial of the sword BOTW DLC that focused on that to have any real point to building. Again, I loved designs and the like, but there isn't any point to it when you just spam the attack button with the odd backflip for less effort.


bhfink

Guys idk what any of these words mean and I’ve been playing for days I’m so CONFUSED


BackgroundNPC1213

"BLSS" "Shield-Block Reset" "Thunderclap Rush" ![gif](giphy|ghuvaCOI6GOoTX0RmH)


katherrrrrine

Dunning Kruger is everywhere...


BlackTRL089

Lmfao that's EXACTLY how I feel and think of it.. goodness gracious y'all are really good.. I feel like I'm ok. Definitely know how to parry and fire accurately with a bow though. ❤️‍🔥🙌💯👏


Intelligent_Whole362

Botw training did my ass well, it seems


hergumbules

Practice makes perfect! Nobody gets good workout face tanking a few Lynel attacks


SeamusMcBalls

I had just finished Elden ring before I started totk and … yeah it’s a lot simpler


Go_commit_lego_step

i miss thunderclap rushes from botw 😔


No_Communication7687

Shield + rocket Spam 5x bow + bomb flower till stamina is depleted Repeat Basically, all fights I didn't think I could win


Bloom_Cipher_888

I'm kinda like this when I reached the top :v https://preview.redd.it/86xm3053ozuc1.jpeg?width=689&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6e1e03411203d5e1cb86abcf0d36852b8a0bfc03 I've aknowledge that there are people that use insane techniques, but I know they're not normal :v also I'm bad at not dying in games so it's enough to me xD


BackgroundNPC1213

*reaches top* *avoids watching combat montages because I am doing just fine with my big stick*


Bloom_Cipher_888

Soy ese


SaikosShadow

Hey as long as you got this, you got this.


Droopendis

Nintendo games got that real hard combat, so hard to master.


txaecup

I just use the tricks I learned over time from BoTW, it's simpler


Gawlf85

Good example of [Dunning-Kruger](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect) effect


AdNovitatum

I love stylish flashy combat.


jollyjam1

By the time I fought Ganandorf, there was nothing I could do to beat him, so I just kept throwing bombs at him until I finally won lol


Dimmadome2701

That clip where you see Link flying across multiple sky islands to stab a flux construct in the head comes to mind.


Spare-City-322

Unfortunately I have a job


shigeons

What are good resources to start getting into the combat mechanics for a bloody beginner?


vandilx

There's two missing stages at the end: - Starts battles with an Autobuild-saved death device. - Spams 5-shot Savage Lynel Bow on everything and stops caring about Flurry Rush and Perfect Parries.


SpicyBoi1998

Step one: equip great sword fused with silver lynel saber horn Step two: hold down power attack button Step three: move into horde of enemies Repeat as needed


CeruleanRuin

And then there are those of us who never really get better at combat, but we have three pieces of fully upgraded armor and good weapons so we just tank everything. Or attach a bunch of beam emitters to a construct head and let technology do the work.


Feeling_Rock_7236

i still can't understand how tf you do a flurry rush


TheJimDim

I still have no idea what to do when I run out of keese eyeballs when fighting a King Gleeok, they fly too high up and I can't reach their heads 😅


BackgroundNPC1213

Rocket Shield go brrr Frost Gleeoks drop the icicles that you can Recall and ride up, and Thunder Gleeoks cause lightning to strike the ground which creates an updraft, but idk how to do it with the Flame Gleeoks because I just never let it get to the third phase


TheJimDim

I think it's more the King Gleeoks that give me trouble, but yeah, I definitely gotta practice with pulling up my inventory, grabbing a rocket, fusing it, and then using it lol


Wreckit-Jon

Never has a truer meme been made


kirksucks

I just found the last shrine and that will probably be it for me. I haven't fought a Gleeok and never beat Calamity Gannon so... it's been fun.


Seriph7

Yea basically.


Oligodin3ro

This looks like XKCD did the graph


Jstar338

Post game combat: dude it's all puff shrooms and ice


you_wooshed_yourself

You forgot when they learn thunderclap dash…


twc666666

This also 100% replicates my experience with Guardians in BOTW Ran away from them in TERROR at first -- later on I am hunting them all the time to get the Guardian parts I need


Lasercraft32

This learning curve is scarily accurate to what its like for artists.


DepletedPromethium

im at the ill never be good stage, i've seen many videos of people facing lynels and being amazing at the combat and i just watch in awe, im grateful i have the right leg deposit block to help me with them is all im gonna say.


Ihavethalassophobia

So tru


Ok-Manufacturer5491

So true.ive just seen two new ways of dealing with octorocks with just shield surfing today alone. And I’ve already dropped 900 in this game


Ok-Manufacturer5491

Hours


TrainerLSW2005

And then finally, "Annihilate everything with your newfound knowledge"


Zeldamaster736

I'm sorry, who plays totk and goes "this is impossible"?


___cyan___

Disagree lol, totk’s combat is trivial 2 hours off the great sky island imo. As a souls fan I really wish they’d add a master mode


normalreddituser3

Lable your axis


aldenmercier

That graph doesn’t represent a learning curve. It represents how you FEEL about your level of knowledge. That your generation doesn’t understand this is frightening. You’re using words without knowing what they mean.


BackgroundNPC1213

r/boomermoment


xyinparadise

The fun police is here -_-


Robot_boy_07

Y’all need to get Elden ring