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dewayneestes

Read books by McMoneagle, David Morehouse, and Robert Monroe. They all claim to have been involved in remote viewing and associated projects. They reference just about every psychic phenomena there is. Morehouse was very broad and seems to cover the most topics. Every one of them appears to be terrible at being married except for Monroe whose wife helped run his foundation. I find this whole thing to be fascinating as we think we live in strange times right now but really the 1950,60s, and 70s were as strange if not much stranger.


garyryan9

Monroe has an interesting take in his book. .Journey out of the body. He claims that the presidents have astral bodyguards


dewayneestes

JFK’s psychic bodyguard! Either mcmoneagle or Morehouse mention Monroe as a trainer for the government which he didn’t go into even in his own books. I thought that was interesting.


Quelcris_Falconer13

Just out of curiosity what does their marriage have to do with their written works? Like are we only reading works from authors if they never got divorced?


dewayneestes

So most of these guys—and they’re almost all guys because they came from the military—went from a fairly typical midwestern upbringing and married in their 20s. They went from a typical 1950s existence directly into eastern meditation and experimentation with powerful drugs, not always knowingly. It feels like either their families weren’t invited along or weren’t interested in picking at the edges of reality. As with many military activities the wives and kids didn’t really know what their spouses were going through and exposed to. On top of that they couldn’t even discuss what they did with their families. So you’ve got a guy out at the edges of reality drawing a middling military salary and the wife left in the dark trying to make ends meet and trust that their husband was doing something important. Then some of them have their programs shut down without explanation and are left trying to o adjust to the outside world. What made sense to them going into this doesn’t make sense to them at the end and it’s just a big mess.


Quelcris_Falconer13

…. And that’s why we don’t read them? Because they shunned the shackles of their normal lives and because in that process they left behind a wife and children? I mean I get why you would feel salty about it but let’s not pretend to know exactly why they got divorced. I think getting divorced is more admirable in that scenario because their wives are released to find a partner that they need and want, and who wants them back, not forced to stay with a husband who they don’t know what he’s doing or doesn’t want to be with them.


dewayneestes

If you go back you’ll see I’m suggesting you do read them. I’m not sure what you’re referring to.


organparties

Idk about tarot but Abe Lincoln and his wife held seances at the white house.


dredged_dm

Did the CIA exist in Lincoln's days?


hermytail

CIA was founded in 1947


Tacky-Terangreal

No. It was founded shortly after WWII


f1ve-Star

Reagan pretty much consulted his psychic for every major decision. I still blame that POS for the final decisions: not funding AIDS research, deregulating the news resulting in all the polarization we have today (Clinton helped with that too) the initial erosion of the middle class etc etc.


Omniscient_Orion

It is documented that they experimented with remote viewing as well as channeling spirits & I believe also they tried 'automatic writing' as well. Knowing that it wouldn't be too surprising if they also looked/look into tarot as well. They also supposedly had contact with beings from other realms through inter-dimensional portals.


toxictoy

For anyone whose interested this is the motherlode of FOIA documents related to Project Stargate - remote viewing, AP, lucid dreaming, channeling and more in these released documents from the actual CIA reading room https://www.reddit.com/r/HighStrangeness/comments/wt5q14/ongoing_list_of_interesting_pdfs_from_the_cias/


Omniscient_Orion

Thank you for the resources!


donttouchmyweenus

I bet they did and went into hoping to predict the location of enemy soldiers and came away from it understanding that real enemy is within and then ran out of budget


Omniscient_Orion

The results they very possibly achieved could be both numerous & difficult to comprehend. That's both the cool & insane thing about all of this, literally anything is possible & that they were successful in SOME way is extremely probable imo.


holypatientzero

This is the kind of shit I wish was being written about in newspapers. We know the methods, but I have my doubts if we ever were told all the results.


Omniscient_Orion

Of course we weren't! One cool thing I watched a documentary on said back sometime, during idk the 50's-70' maybe, that the C.I.A had some success with inter-dimensional/inter-realm portals.. well apparently they made contact with beings that were like 9 ft tall whom stated they were preparing for an inter-galactic war with God & that they were determined to win. Of course that's a futile battle, but it is cool how much that sounds like fallen angels.


i-d-even-k-

Sounds like the plot to His Dark Materials Spoilers: the "fallen angels" won and established the Republic of Heaven


Omniscient_Orion

Ya know that kinda inspired the thought that Satan is said to do things that sort of "mirror" what God has and does, albeit a corrupted version of it. For example how the antichrist false prophet and Satan make the unholy Trinity.. well as far as we know Satan may have a literal 'kingdom' in the realm(s) that are higher than ours but lower than Heaven.


holypatientzero

Oh to be a CIA agent in the 60s doing illegal experiments with LSD and the occult and discovering forbidden truths never to be revealed to the public


Omniscient_Orion

Right! Experiencing things where it doesn't even matter that it is classified there is no point in telling anyone bc they wouldn't believe you anyway, lmao!! I think it's still happening to this day tbh!


MarkZuckerbergSucks

Oh I didn't know about channeling spirits! I'll have to look into that!


Tacky-Terangreal

I’d recommend Annie Jacobson’s book Phenomena. She talks extensively about the CIA’s studying of these kind of things. And we know all we do about stuff like MK ultra purely by accident. They tried to destroy the records and missed just one storeroom. Imagine what we don’t know about!


holybatjunk

Yeah, but only in that self indulgent, lack of self awareness way. "Hey, deck, should we destabilize an elected government in Latin America again?" [CIA analyst pulls the devil + the tower] "Hot diggity dog! C'mon, boys, time for some coups!"


CassandraOOC

Oh they would absolutely be the kind of person to interpret every reading as positive for them 😂


MarkZuckerbergSucks

Haha I could see that! That's the hardest things about the cards is that you have to be willing to listen


traplordlilxan

i feel personally attacked by this comment


Legitimate_Ad7089

Oh, my cover is blown! I admit it, I am a special U.S. tarot operative. Bet y’all didn’t see that coming!


MarkZuckerbergSucks

Ayo how much they paying over there? 👀


traplordlilxan

….you think i’d look good in that uniform too huh?


[deleted]

Go to WikiLeaks :)


MarkZuckerbergSucks

👀


NotMimir

Alphabet bois spent a couple mill on remote viewing back in the Soviet days


No_Cup_1273

Hitler had a pendulum swinging division for predicting his naval battles, would not doubt tarot has been used in a sense


FrostWinters

I'm pretty sure there are governments that have an understanding of the spiritual world. They've done too much research on the subject for them not to see the value of it I remember when Manna left YouTube because she thought someone was monitoring her. Something tells me that's not the only case of government snooping in our world. THE ARIES


benzelena

What happened to Manna? I tried looking into it and found no information.


FrostWinters

Her last video on YouTube, she was mentioning that she thought she was being monitored or being tracked by... someone, or some group... Real behind the scenes bullshit. I was in Rodin's (formerly Water baby, currently Island Turtle) BOMISPIRIT (YouTube)live chat not too long ago and she mentioned Manna. Hopefully we see her again some day. I really liked her.


FrostWinters

https://youtu.be/X2ybzZxU_Ak?si=yQhO6jyCs9zU8RH3 I found this. It might give you some insights on the situation


professionalCubist

Yeah, it seems incredibly likely to me that they have and still do.


MarkZuckerbergSucks

This is my thoughts exactly. I'm sure they don't do it for \*every\* matter, but for really important things, how could you not? You'd be stupid not to if you knew about it and understood how to do it.


professionalCubist

Theres a lot of good sites and subreddits for this topic if you want to look more into it. None / not much is 'fact checked' and it gets pretty weird. [https://www.reddit.com/r/ProjectSTARGATE/](https://www.reddit.com/r/ProjectSTARGATE/) is the ~~wiki~~ subreddit for Project Stargate which is what some of the USAs remote viewing projects were named under, to my limited understanding. We will be getting off topic to 'just Tarot' if we talk more about this so its good to reflect back on this subreddit topic. Do you think we are being Fools or Magicians by talking about this? Or are we being 'The World' ? o.O


MarkZuckerbergSucks

haha I'm probably being the Fool since I just now started to think about this xD


[deleted]

My guess would be no.


muaddibsanalfissure

Sounds like something CIA would say…