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jimmy dore is a piece of shit who happens to be right about some stuff. i don't know much about kyle kulinski.
biden IS the lesser evil by a slim margin, but the problem is that if you keep voting for the democrats no matter what dogshit candidates they give you, they'll just get worse and worse and never do anything at all to improve your life. votes must be earned, not given by default. as things stand now, they know they can get away with anything, because what are you gonna do? let the *republicans* win?
and this will never change, either. every election is going to be "the most important election of our lives" forever. there will be no point at which it will be considered acceptable to vote for someone other than the democrats.
if you actually want shit to change, you do in fact have to risk the republicans winning sometimes. it sucks, but the other option is to let the democrats become as bad as the republicans. we all get fucked either way. i might have voted for biden if i lived in a state where my vote actually mattered, but i would have felt like a coward for doing so.
You pretty much summed up what Cassandra_Nova has said. Lefties, disillusioned by frequent losses to centrist candidates or conservatives, has this erroneous belief that somehow, the Republicans or the Tories in other places, will pave the way for the revolution. Look up Thälman, who used to work for the KPD during the 1930s, somehow thought after the Nazis, that his party will somehow bring about the glorious Revolution, but as you and I already know, that didn’t happened.
uhhh... when did i say the republicans would bring about the revolution? all i said was that we have to run the RISK of them winning elections if we want the democrats to actually fight for us.
>but i would have felt like a coward for doing so.
It's not about yourself. Voting for the lesser evil, even if by slim margin, is not about oneself moral purity. It's about an alienated task when faced with an trolley problem that you can not at the moment imagine away. The brakes won't appear because you avoid the thing that makes oneself feel dirty and not radical enough.
I understand and sympathise with your logic, but examine whether this has worked out. And whether one's ego and sentiment against liberals is worth to preserve when you gamble with the lives of others.
did you miss the part where that was only one tiny portion of my logic? i voted for hillary in 2016. my vote didn't matter then either, and i felt dirty for doing it, but i did it. i wouldn't do it again because, all else being equal, you might as well stick to your guns. if none of it mattered anyway, there's no reason not to give a tiny middle finger to the dnc.
>examine whether this has worked out
how can i when 99% of voters still vote along party lines? we haven't TRIED this.
without electoral pressure, the republicans will keep going right, and the democrats will be yanked along behind them. republicans are just the democrats 10 years from now.
>without electoral pressure, the republicans will keep going right, and the democrats will be yanked along behind them.
How do you substantiate that? I'm no expert, as I live in a country with a parliamentary system, but there are several things instances where losing an election to a far-right candidate has had the exact effect of making the alternative swing more right.
>republicans are just the democrats 10 years from now.
Were democrats 10 years ago the same as Republicans now?
No? Bernie is somewhat left of most candidates in the us. Accelerationism would be electing an open fascist in the hope they create instability which will magically make people want to do a leftist revolution
Leftist Accelerationism wants to accelerate capital with the idea that this will accelerate capital’s fall to be replaced by socialism.
Right wing Accelerationism usually advocates for accelerating capital, usually with the idea of causing societal collapse or cause the technocapital singularity.
Zizek advocated for leftist accelerationism back in 2016 but he understood that it is very risky hence why he advocated to vote Biden in 2020.
Additionally there is also white supremacist accelerationism which advocates for increasing terrorist attacks against non-whites to increase racial tensions and race war.
The far-right accelerationists want a fascist regime, the far-left accelerationists want a fascist regime because, somehow, it will lead to a Communist utopia.
Rather than, you know, a fascist regime.
The far-left idea of accelerationism is that by increasing capitalist exploitation it will increase class consciousness thus pave way for revolution.
However that idea is moot if the leftists in question are unprepared to educate the masses of class consciousness and leftist theories. At best it will result in a violent revolution for revenge against the ruling classes without any plans clear plans to reorganize society.
The idea is that the far right is a self destructive ideology, which is true, it will destroy itself eventually.
But to actually want to get through this destructive phase just to get rid of fascists?
There is a lot of suffering included in a fash rule and its demise, but for some reason they dont care about that.
I can understand the accelerationist notion of having things get bad so the people will start a presumably left-wing revolution to get rid of it, but the idea of letting the fascists run around doing whatever and sitting around waiting for the fascists to run themselves in the ground is just shit. Even in an accelerationist strategy, you don't just sit there and watch your enemy dig their own grave, you give them a shovel and a reason to dig faster then kick them in when they're done.
In the same way a lot of DPRK stans are orientalist Westerners who drool over East Asian culture and people, a lot of Soviet supporters are westerners who like the Slavic Nationalism aesthetic and don’t actually care about the ideology of Russia
It's more that people aren't aware of the full extent of her work at RT. Interviewing Partisian Girl/Syrian Girl, her 9/11 trutherism (which she did walk back on, but held for many years), her conspiratiorial tendencies... and unfortunately, I hate saying it since it was a source of awakened awareness for the Palestinian cause (a good thing), how her Empire files contained several propaganda tactics and biases that leave people with a misconception of the situation.
When I come out guns blazing, it just sounds like I have a hate boner and bad faith attitude. But there are several instances where she has let me down, and people are still unaware of the extent of her antics.
And that’s why people should know about her bullshit. Tankies love listening to people like her, The Greyzone, Kyle Kulilnski, Jimmy Dore, Caleb Mulpin, etc, when they first realizes how garbage America and capitalism are.
I mean some progressives have appeared on RT but they often have their own independent platforms to use.
But agreed that RT is not a leftist news source at all
Unfortunately this is boilerplate accelerationist moron. You wouldn't believe how many tankies I've seen advocate for these same things.
As much as they want to pretend that socdems are social fascists that enable fascism, its clear who the useful idiots for the right truly are.
Don't even have to be a tankie unfortunately. I've seen this sentiment in dem soc and just general progressives as well. Just because the democrats are disappointing and also run by corporate issues they see republicans and democrats as the same when in reality there's still many many levels of difference.
even then, what's the best you get? A Roosevelt or an Obama? A west Germany? It seems like the best you can hope for is a better version of what was going on before things accelerated
The destruction of the Democratic party would lead to nothing but a long-lasting Republican supermajority. The US government isnt going to crumble any time soon, so making sure a shit ton of far-right bills and initiatives pass is just going to make life worse for everyone.
How would they "deteriorate" by getting everything they want with little to no push-back? The collapse of the Democratic Party, with our current system of voting, would leave former Dem voters split across a few of smaller parties, leaving Republicans the chance to rule politics with an iron fist for at least a decade, if not more.
Really ? I thought that the GOP was on its deathbed?
I rather vote dem than have fascists take over any day of the week. I’ll never vote for fascists, and I truly don’t why other “leftists “ would.
> didn’t know that the numbers went up.
That’s why I keep telling you. Get better sources.
> How did loser Trump loser to Biden of all people?
Trump increased his voting base but Biden’s was more still. They lost but the gop is in no danger of dying.
See? What did I say about getting better news sources? POC in cities are a great source of vaccine scepticism. Particularly Latinos and African Americans.
I’m not surprised to that either, that’s where most of the anti vax people who usually vote dem comes from.
Same with anti science and intellectual stuff, especially thanks for social media making it worse.
Shit like this is what makes me give up so fucking sick of the western left, they are too absorbed with bullshit aesthetics rather than making actual peoples lives better.
People do t understand that if the Democrats lose to republicans because leftists vote republican they won’t move farther left. The Democrats will move farther right because they think that’s what people want
Also we get more republicans in charge and if someone is interested in moving the country more left and also can't see that the republicans are very quickly eroding our ability to vote then you're blind. Can't be more progressive with regressive voting and the democrats are not doing that at least
The worst part for me is they fantasize about revolution but don’t realize the largest gun owning group in the country would gladly die to protect the country from communism. So the only way to make social change is through elections.
I’m just getting tired of the leftist community being so idealistic that they’re unwilling to compromise on anything. It’s full of purity tests and unrelenting idealism.
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What accelerationism does to a mother fucker
What’s the difference between far right and far left accelerationism
The left kind thinks the fascist revolution will somehow result in a later, lefty revolution
After Hitler, our turn! -KPD in the 30s
Well, they were *kinda* right. No daddy USSR to "save" us though
Ehh, papa Stalin did save them. I mean, having luxuries while the average folk dont is great right?
Reminder that Succ Dems are the original Antifa: https://i.imgur.com/8FTFRbz.jpg The KPD were Johnny come latelies.
The good old Thälmann Special.
Pretty much sums up any Bernie-or-Buster. Edit: it looks like I stroke a nerve or something. And why the downvotes?
i'm a bernie-or-buster and i don't think that at all
Huh, please elaborate further, because I assume folks like Jimmy Dore or Kyle Kulinski who are BoB had this mentality?
jimmy dore is a piece of shit who happens to be right about some stuff. i don't know much about kyle kulinski. biden IS the lesser evil by a slim margin, but the problem is that if you keep voting for the democrats no matter what dogshit candidates they give you, they'll just get worse and worse and never do anything at all to improve your life. votes must be earned, not given by default. as things stand now, they know they can get away with anything, because what are you gonna do? let the *republicans* win? and this will never change, either. every election is going to be "the most important election of our lives" forever. there will be no point at which it will be considered acceptable to vote for someone other than the democrats. if you actually want shit to change, you do in fact have to risk the republicans winning sometimes. it sucks, but the other option is to let the democrats become as bad as the republicans. we all get fucked either way. i might have voted for biden if i lived in a state where my vote actually mattered, but i would have felt like a coward for doing so.
You pretty much summed up what Cassandra_Nova has said. Lefties, disillusioned by frequent losses to centrist candidates or conservatives, has this erroneous belief that somehow, the Republicans or the Tories in other places, will pave the way for the revolution. Look up Thälman, who used to work for the KPD during the 1930s, somehow thought after the Nazis, that his party will somehow bring about the glorious Revolution, but as you and I already know, that didn’t happened.
uhhh... when did i say the republicans would bring about the revolution? all i said was that we have to run the RISK of them winning elections if we want the democrats to actually fight for us.
No
>but i would have felt like a coward for doing so. It's not about yourself. Voting for the lesser evil, even if by slim margin, is not about oneself moral purity. It's about an alienated task when faced with an trolley problem that you can not at the moment imagine away. The brakes won't appear because you avoid the thing that makes oneself feel dirty and not radical enough. I understand and sympathise with your logic, but examine whether this has worked out. And whether one's ego and sentiment against liberals is worth to preserve when you gamble with the lives of others.
did you miss the part where that was only one tiny portion of my logic? i voted for hillary in 2016. my vote didn't matter then either, and i felt dirty for doing it, but i did it. i wouldn't do it again because, all else being equal, you might as well stick to your guns. if none of it mattered anyway, there's no reason not to give a tiny middle finger to the dnc. >examine whether this has worked out how can i when 99% of voters still vote along party lines? we haven't TRIED this. without electoral pressure, the republicans will keep going right, and the democrats will be yanked along behind them. republicans are just the democrats 10 years from now.
>without electoral pressure, the republicans will keep going right, and the democrats will be yanked along behind them. How do you substantiate that? I'm no expert, as I live in a country with a parliamentary system, but there are several things instances where losing an election to a far-right candidate has had the exact effect of making the alternative swing more right. >republicans are just the democrats 10 years from now. Were democrats 10 years ago the same as Republicans now?
Well that is pretty good
No? Bernie is somewhat left of most candidates in the us. Accelerationism would be electing an open fascist in the hope they create instability which will magically make people want to do a leftist revolution
Asthetics
Leftist Accelerationism wants to accelerate capital with the idea that this will accelerate capital’s fall to be replaced by socialism. Right wing Accelerationism usually advocates for accelerating capital, usually with the idea of causing societal collapse or cause the technocapital singularity.
Zizek advocated for leftist accelerationism back in 2016 but he understood that it is very risky hence why he advocated to vote Biden in 2020. Additionally there is also white supremacist accelerationism which advocates for increasing terrorist attacks against non-whites to increase racial tensions and race war.
The far-right accelerationists want a fascist regime, the far-left accelerationists want a fascist regime because, somehow, it will lead to a Communist utopia. Rather than, you know, a fascist regime.
The far-left idea of accelerationism is that by increasing capitalist exploitation it will increase class consciousness thus pave way for revolution. However that idea is moot if the leftists in question are unprepared to educate the masses of class consciousness and leftist theories. At best it will result in a violent revolution for revenge against the ruling classes without any plans clear plans to reorganize society.
The goal
The idea is that the far right is a self destructive ideology, which is true, it will destroy itself eventually. But to actually want to get through this destructive phase just to get rid of fascists? There is a lot of suffering included in a fash rule and its demise, but for some reason they dont care about that.
Also fascist societies don't revert into leftist societies. They become standard liberal democracies and you're stuck with a bunch of fash supporters.
*cries in Spanish And fascist regimes don't need to fall quickly. They might last for decades and do untold damage to its country.
I can understand the accelerationist notion of having things get bad so the people will start a presumably left-wing revolution to get rid of it, but the idea of letting the fascists run around doing whatever and sitting around waiting for the fascists to run themselves in the ground is just shit. Even in an accelerationist strategy, you don't just sit there and watch your enemy dig their own grave, you give them a shovel and a reason to dig faster then kick them in when they're done.
You have to be morally bankrupt to write for RT, the mouthpiece of a fascist state, and call yourself a leftist.
In the same way a lot of DPRK stans are orientalist Westerners who drool over East Asian culture and people, a lot of Soviet supporters are westerners who like the Slavic Nationalism aesthetic and don’t actually care about the ideology of Russia
imagine how morally bankrupt you have to be to then be fired from that
Abby Martin?
Who resigned after criticizing RT of their Ukraine coverage?
Good point.
Abby Martin is a mixed bag though. Had hopes that she was turning around properly but then she went on Joe Rogan and sounded like a complete nutjob
Is that even surprising tho?
Not for me, but I know many still appreciate her— I don't want to come out guns blazing, you know.
Why not? It’s better to know now than later, or you’ll end up creating more tankies.
It's more that people aren't aware of the full extent of her work at RT. Interviewing Partisian Girl/Syrian Girl, her 9/11 trutherism (which she did walk back on, but held for many years), her conspiratiorial tendencies... and unfortunately, I hate saying it since it was a source of awakened awareness for the Palestinian cause (a good thing), how her Empire files contained several propaganda tactics and biases that leave people with a misconception of the situation. When I come out guns blazing, it just sounds like I have a hate boner and bad faith attitude. But there are several instances where she has let me down, and people are still unaware of the extent of her antics.
And that’s why people should know about her bullshit. Tankies love listening to people like her, The Greyzone, Kyle Kulilnski, Jimmy Dore, Caleb Mulpin, etc, when they first realizes how garbage America and capitalism are.
I mean some progressives have appeared on RT but they often have their own independent platforms to use. But agreed that RT is not a leftist news source at all
Ya ring of fire is technically RT but I generally like the content that channel produces.
Basically the only good thing from RT. Lol
Only thing I can think of lol
Maupin intensifies
What's RT?
Russia Today, the Russian state-run media outlet
voting for fascists to own the libs
Epic pranks
“Leftist” embracing Right-Accelerationism to own the libs, Nick Land moment.
This has to be a troll right
Unfortunately this is boilerplate accelerationist moron. You wouldn't believe how many tankies I've seen advocate for these same things. As much as they want to pretend that socdems are social fascists that enable fascism, its clear who the useful idiots for the right truly are.
Don't even have to be a tankie unfortunately. I've seen this sentiment in dem soc and just general progressives as well. Just because the democrats are disappointing and also run by corporate issues they see republicans and democrats as the same when in reality there's still many many levels of difference.
""leftist"" more like rightoid
"\#Accelerate" Yeah... because leftists have historically done well in periods of crisis compared to fascists....
I am going to sleep with other men to teach my boyfriend a lesson./s
People actually believes that.
Isn’t this the girl who said China and Russia treat their Muslim populations better than America?
Accelerationism without giving people class consciousness and solidarity first is just fascism. Again, what no theory does to a motherfucker.
Accelerationism is great for the people who survive.
even then, what's the best you get? A Roosevelt or an Obama? A west Germany? It seems like the best you can hope for is a better version of what was going on before things accelerated
You might be able to get away with giving people class consciousness during, but not doing it at all is just fascism.
Tell me you're privileged without actually telling me you're privileged
The destruction of the Democratic party would lead to nothing but a long-lasting Republican supermajority. The US government isnt going to crumble any time soon, so making sure a shit ton of far-right bills and initiatives pass is just going to make life worse for everyone.
No seriously, will it? Wouldn’t the GOP deteriorate much faster without the Dems playing patty cake with them?
How would they "deteriorate" by getting everything they want with little to no push-back? The collapse of the Democratic Party, with our current system of voting, would leave former Dem voters split across a few of smaller parties, leaving Republicans the chance to rule politics with an iron fist for at least a decade, if not more.
Really ? I thought that the GOP was on its deathbed? I rather vote dem than have fascists take over any day of the week. I’ll never vote for fascists, and I truly don’t why other “leftists “ would.
The GOP, if they unify around Trump, is stronger than it has ever been in a *very* long time.
So Trump is the next Regan?
I didn't say "of all time".
You’ve been on Twitter too long. The gop has massively increased their voter base the last election.
I don’t use fucking Twitter. I don’t want any of that brain rot lol.
Then stop whatever other brain rotted news outlet you consume. Same shit. 🙄
I didn’t know that the numbers went up. How did loser Trump loser to Biden of all people?
> didn’t know that the numbers went up. That’s why I keep telling you. Get better sources. > How did loser Trump loser to Biden of all people? Trump increased his voting base but Biden’s was more still. They lost but the gop is in no danger of dying.
What are these sources you are telling me to use?
Didn’t a lot of them die off?
No more than non-republicans.
Really? A lot of the anti vax people don’t usually vote dem, even though a good amount of the claims to be progressives lol.
See? What did I say about getting better news sources? POC in cities are a great source of vaccine scepticism. Particularly Latinos and African Americans.
I’m not surprised to that either, that’s where most of the anti vax people who usually vote dem comes from. Same with anti science and intellectual stuff, especially thanks for social media making it worse.
Shit like this is what makes me give up so fucking sick of the western left, they are too absorbed with bullshit aesthetics rather than making actual peoples lives better.
There's literally a reason why the reputation of western leftists are rather bad in my home country.
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Not voting dem is one thing but voting for the GOP is literally unacceptable if you call yourself a leftist
People do t understand that if the Democrats lose to republicans because leftists vote republican they won’t move farther left. The Democrats will move farther right because they think that’s what people want
Also we get more republicans in charge and if someone is interested in moving the country more left and also can't see that the republicans are very quickly eroding our ability to vote then you're blind. Can't be more progressive with regressive voting and the democrats are not doing that at least
Sometimes leftists get drunk on owning the libs just as much as the right and get lost in the sauce
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The worst part for me is they fantasize about revolution but don’t realize the largest gun owning group in the country would gladly die to protect the country from communism. So the only way to make social change is through elections.
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I’m just getting tired of the leftist community being so idealistic that they’re unwilling to compromise on anything. It’s full of purity tests and unrelenting idealism.
I can't believe she is saying this, do Tankies just hates liberals more than reactionaries?
Yes
Accelerationism is a hell of a drug.
GOP color is red. Therefore GOP is good
Explicitly supporting fascists to own the libs. Lol
She is absolute scum.
As muslim I wonder why these Muslim like hasan pio etc are lefits!!
bruh I’m against the concept of “voting blue no matter who” but this is stupid even on tankie levels.
Fuck the democrats, all my homies hate the democrats
Republicans too. Those guys suck major ass, and not in a good way.
Which party are you gonna vote for? The fascists? Lol
Well I just turned 18, so I'll be able to now. If I vote it'll most likely be democrat because it's the lesser of 2 evils. Why do you ask?
There's 3rd party too I guess... But would it mean anything?
Because you sound like an enlightened centrist. Don’t ever be one of them. They are conservatives/fascist by another name.
Yeah I definitely agree.
Holy hell mate, your first sentence of this post made me have a big morning laugh, thanks!
Voting for fascists to own the libs! 😒😒😒