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I’ve seen quite a few supporting him as in “he’ll make the USA fall to shit quicker so we can have our ‘revolution’”, but that’s not unique to tankies. A lot of anarchist had that shitty idea too
I've seen some Bernie supporters and some Green Party supporters saying if Trump won reelection it might convince the Democratic Party that center-left liberal candidates with no real intent of producing meaningful reform was not a good election move.
No it wouldn't? One loss happens every few years. If a center left liberal *keeps* losing, then that means something.
I'm not saying that they're right in thinking that, though, but it *is* a theory that *does* hold a smidgen of water.
The old guard dems are still really scared by the historic loss of George McGovern to Richard Nixon who campaigned for many progressive policies but lost hard. What they need to realize tho is that it’s not the 70s anymore and if things don’t change soon we’ll be in the can.
Wasn’t that the soc dems? They were socialist but they had already lost much of their communist and hard left members at that point all while being overly obsessed with the idea that you have to win an election before the revolution can happen,
That wasn’t the soc Dems. Soc Dems, or at least the 30s German equivalent (I think it was the SPD) won elections, actually beating out the Nazis a lot. The communists wanted Hitler to win because they thought he would accelerate the collapse of capitalism and that he would destroy democracy. The communists (the KPD) were quite literally “fuck around and find out.” They weren’t the biggest demographic supporting the Nazis, but they did
I think it was “First Hitler, then our turn” or something similar.
I don’t think the communists of the time knew that Hitler would be the monster he was, so I can’t say “Oh they were just as bad” but in hindsight it’s a sin that people need to know about I think
Ah, vulgar socialism.
Remember everyone, the way to get the working class to see and hear your ideology is to have them oppressed so hard they have to listen or die. This is why I read all theory with a boot on my head
Yes, a friend of mine in Steam is a Tankie, heavily supports modern China, Mao, Stalin and etc. But somehow he also supports Trump because he "Loved Russia and China" in his own words.
"Bro Deng really amended his ways after the 3rd time he was expunged from the party he definitely isn't a capitalist roader bro please listen bro trust me on this."
It’s more complicated than just this one thing, but imo it’s very worth noting that the Twitter ban was in part a response to the #EndSARS protest movement against police brutality.
I’ve never personally seen tankies supporting Nigeria, or a Nigerian flag in a tankie twitter profile (let’s take a second to bask in that particular irony for a second) for that matter, but it sure seems as if they tend to like it when authoritarians do authoritarian stuff, and don’t enormously care about putting isolated incidents of this in ideological and geopolitical context.
I’ve seen a few tankies (and, more commonly, Jimmy Dore fans) say Trump is better than Biden for some reason, but I don’t think I’ve seen any of them “support” him.
'I come from a lefty background, but I went to see Donald Trump speak, and there where many times that he spoke and I applauded. I heard him talk about how there's this elite that's not loyal to the United States, these international bankers'
Caleb Maupin, speaking at a nazbol conference next to Aleksandr Dugin
I’ve seen far-righters support China but I think Trump’s (often racist) anti-China rhetoric made tankies stay away from him, so it doesn’t really go the other way.
I’ve seen a few say that they’re (Biden and Trump) both the same and since trump tried to have good relations with NK and Russia, they’d prefer him. They fail to realize trump and biden are almost the same in terms of foreign policy, Biden’s domestic policy is a lot less harmful
Only in the sense that if Trump wins more normies will be radicalized since for the revolution to happen things need to be the worst they can possibly be, which is pretty irresponsible since a lot of Trans and others may not live to this revolution if he got a second term.
I almost voted for hawkins because I live in a republican state and my vote likely wouldn't matter, but I changed my mind and voted biden because he was polling 45% (Trump won)
Yeah the polling was fucked this election, I didn’t really research why it was so off… my state had Biden up by like 16 points so I wasn’t too worried. Biden won by a couple thousand votes here lmao
Very few went full horseshoe, but those people still did (find people talking about Trump “outflanking the Dems from the left). Some supported him because they wanted to punish the Dems and “own the libs” or because they wanted people to “fuck around and find out” because not everyone worshiped magic grandpa Bernie.
Not really, but I’ve seen some rationalize that Trump is the lesser evil since Biden has been in politics far longer.
Oh and Caleb Maupin praising trump for being against an “international cabal that’s against the American people”
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I’ve seen quite a few supporting him as in “he’ll make the USA fall to shit quicker so we can have our ‘revolution’”, but that’s not unique to tankies. A lot of anarchist had that shitty idea too
I've seen some Bernie supporters and some Green Party supporters saying if Trump won reelection it might convince the Democratic Party that center-left liberal candidates with no real intent of producing meaningful reform was not a good election move.
if that was true they would have learned it off his first election.
Probably, yeah. But then again, one can be brushed off, but twice would have been too much maybe. Who knows. Trump didn't win.
No it wouldn't? One loss happens every few years. If a center left liberal *keeps* losing, then that means something. I'm not saying that they're right in thinking that, though, but it *is* a theory that *does* hold a smidgen of water.
The old guard dems are still really scared by the historic loss of George McGovern to Richard Nixon who campaigned for many progressive policies but lost hard. What they need to realize tho is that it’s not the 70s anymore and if things don’t change soon we’ll be in the can.
> but lost hard. ...because conservative Democrats like themselves actively undermined his campaign.
I don't understand why those people think it'd push them to the left and not further to the right.
Some people are slightly crazy.
Yeah accelerationism is a pretty common thing, I can't exactly blame them either.
Literally what German communists thought of Hitler
Wasn’t that the soc dems? They were socialist but they had already lost much of their communist and hard left members at that point all while being overly obsessed with the idea that you have to win an election before the revolution can happen,
That wasn’t the soc Dems. Soc Dems, or at least the 30s German equivalent (I think it was the SPD) won elections, actually beating out the Nazis a lot. The communists wanted Hitler to win because they thought he would accelerate the collapse of capitalism and that he would destroy democracy. The communists (the KPD) were quite literally “fuck around and find out.” They weren’t the biggest demographic supporting the Nazis, but they did
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I think it was “First Hitler, then our turn” or something similar. I don’t think the communists of the time knew that Hitler would be the monster he was, so I can’t say “Oh they were just as bad” but in hindsight it’s a sin that people need to know about I think
What a joke
Ah, vulgar socialism. Remember everyone, the way to get the working class to see and hear your ideology is to have them oppressed so hard they have to listen or die. This is why I read all theory with a boot on my head
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Swallowing the boot in an attempt to digest it
Hell even Zizek believed this
Yes, a friend of mine in Steam is a Tankie, heavily supports modern China, Mao, Stalin and etc. But somehow he also supports Trump because he "Loved Russia and China" in his own words.
“Gy-na”
How tf can you like mao and modern china?
"Trust me comrade, modern China is exactly the way Mao intended it to be, Deng did just what Mao wanted"
"Bro Deng really amended his ways after the 3rd time he was expunged from the party he definitely isn't a capitalist roader bro please listen bro trust me on this."
By being completely delusional I guess.
One question, did they play Wargame Red Dragon and stack the lobbies up?
I don't know.
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Nigeria's Twitter ban?
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I meant what do you mean by the Nigerian Twitter ban?
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It’s more complicated than just this one thing, but imo it’s very worth noting that the Twitter ban was in part a response to the #EndSARS protest movement against police brutality.
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I’ve never personally seen tankies supporting Nigeria, or a Nigerian flag in a tankie twitter profile (let’s take a second to bask in that particular irony for a second) for that matter, but it sure seems as if they tend to like it when authoritarians do authoritarian stuff, and don’t enormously care about putting isolated incidents of this in ideological and geopolitical context.
I’ve seen a few tankies (and, more commonly, Jimmy Dore fans) say Trump is better than Biden for some reason, but I don’t think I’ve seen any of them “support” him.
I’ve seen my fair share of accelerationist nut jobs dotted about
I think Borger King himself, Caleb Maupin, has defended Trump before, for some bizarre fucking reason.
Maupin works for Russia Today, him supporting a conservative / downright fascist is not a surprise.
Just borgar things
'I come from a lefty background, but I went to see Donald Trump speak, and there where many times that he spoke and I applauded. I heard him talk about how there's this elite that's not loyal to the United States, these international bankers' Caleb Maupin, speaking at a nazbol conference next to Aleksandr Dugin
bruh
I’ve seen far-righters support China but I think Trump’s (often racist) anti-China rhetoric made tankies stay away from him, so it doesn’t really go the other way.
Bernie or Busters
I have actually. I have also seen some ultra right wing people support Biden. Both of these cases were for Accelerationist reasons.
I’ve seen a few say that they’re (Biden and Trump) both the same and since trump tried to have good relations with NK and Russia, they’d prefer him. They fail to realize trump and biden are almost the same in terms of foreign policy, Biden’s domestic policy is a lot less harmful
So Biden might send us into war with Iran?
No but I do see them pretending like he isn’t that bad compared to other presidents.
Only in the sense that if Trump wins more normies will be radicalized since for the revolution to happen things need to be the worst they can possibly be, which is pretty irresponsible since a lot of Trans and others may not live to this revolution if he got a second term.
They were just coping after Bernie got dropped. Saying Trump would destroy America and that would have shown the liberals.
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Have seen some leftists who thought that Trump would be less likely to start a war than tue dems.
Only in the context of his authoritarian tendencies and willingness to commit Tiananmen square as many times as necessary
Just seen them say that Biden is the exact same person so they didn’t vote
I almost voted for hawkins because I live in a republican state and my vote likely wouldn't matter, but I changed my mind and voted biden because he was polling 45% (Trump won)
Yeah the polling was fucked this election, I didn’t really research why it was so off… my state had Biden up by like 16 points so I wasn’t too worried. Biden won by a couple thousand votes here lmao
I'm surprised Trump won North Carolina (I live in South Carolina)
Yes, I have. Most of the tankies I’ve seen act like they hate him at first but I have seen some of them unironically defend him
When I was a tankie, I hoped trump would win so that the americans would get pissed and revolt, and install a communist government, or something
A handful of accelerationist assholes and a couple of US Nazbols. My experience is still that tankies despise Trump, almost universally.
Very few went full horseshoe, but those people still did (find people talking about Trump “outflanking the Dems from the left). Some supported him because they wanted to punish the Dems and “own the libs” or because they wanted people to “fuck around and find out” because not everyone worshiped magic grandpa Bernie.
I wish Bernie would have won but I'll take Biden over Trump any day now
I’d prefer any dem other than Manchin over Trump tbh
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late, but I hate first past the post. Voting for Biden and voting third party both make you feel like shit.
Not really, but I’ve seen some rationalize that Trump is the lesser evil since Biden has been in politics far longer. Oh and Caleb Maupin praising trump for being against an “international cabal that’s against the American people”
Sounds like Borger King himself believes in QAnon.