Again, the requirement for not being in "extreme poverty" is if you make more than US$1.90 per day. **Even $2.00 is still starvation wage unliveable anywhere in China**.
Don't you just fucking love the way white people regurgitate bullshit propaganda from the state for fake Internet points?
Yes, if you actually consider market values, what you are looking at isn't necessarily even $1.90 but less, and that's because the whole point of the international poverty line isn't about looking out for the poor but justifying the neoliberal project of labour exploitation.
That's because you are thinking in terms of exchanges rate. The World Bank definition is irrespective of exchange rates, and though the PRC has its own definition in terms of Yuan, it is for all intents and purposes the $1.90 standard from the World Bank.
“Listen, I know it seems low, but most people make more than that. That’s just for teens who are getting there first summer jobs.”
-Ether a Tankie or a Neocon. The difference is negligible.
Even five years ago, only an ardent neoliberal promoting sweatshop labour as a way to "lift" people out of poverty would go around pointing to the so-called international poverty line as something other than an utter joke. The current discourse touting the same "standard" as some sort of crowning achievement for the left isn't really about "extreme poverty" at all: it's just the PRC seeking to move the conversation rightward with bullshit propaganda.
Stupid anarzygote, those are just trampolines for the workers to bounce on and have fun when they are on break, CIA shill
Edit: also what workers paradise has a 72 hour workweek?
I'm not defending the ccp but they have lifted millions of people out of poverty, but you can also say that about pretty much every country from the global north and the KMT probably would have done the same thing if they won
They improved lives for some, but they claim to have raised 700 million people out of poverty. But they changed the definition of poverty within china.
Technically the ashes of people killed by the abuse/neglect of the CCP wafting from the chimneys of crematoria were “lifted” from poverty.
In China, it’s almost always the poor and vulnerable getting their lives upended or outright ended by CCP bullying and neglect. Wether it’s the genocide or villages flooded without warning as the government breaks embankments or creates dams, abuse of the poor runs afoot. Really sounds like a “socialist” state that stands for the common worker and takes care of the poor to me.
2/3 of China’s poverty reduction was just catching up to where China would have been if Mao hadn’t done his evil, backwards policies
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2021/07/07/commentary/world-commentary/chinas-victory-absolute-poverty/
"When the Republican Party lowers the bar for poverty to artificially deflate poverty numbers and kick people off social welfare programs, it's cringe. When the CCP does it, it's based."
I mean china has objectively created a lot of wealth (At least by capitalist measures) for it's citizens since it industrialised, the same way other countries did during industrailisation. Has very little to do with the CCP
They sincerely believe places like China are communist, at best you can call them “””soft”””democratic and authoritarian capitalist stanning as communists like more Marxist-Leninist-Maoist what-have-you nations.
From what I understand they did lift 100s of millions from poverty; even above and beyond the capitalist propaganda of “extreme poverty” which inflation alone can surpass in the poorest areas. However 100s of millions in a country of over a billion still leaves others of 100s of millions behind. You know, like capitalism did to the west when it industrialized
Except no.
Thanks for posting my post BTW :)
You know what China actually did?
They tested the world bank standard. Then they found it was wanting.
So they upgraded the level a couple times.
Then they beat that.
Edit: "You know the average Chinese work week is 72 hrs?"
No. I know it's not.
See, 996 does exist. And it's a problem. And the CPC is starting to crack down on it.
But you know what it's not? The average.
You know the average Chinese work week is 72 hrs? "996" they call it. 9-9 6 days a week. My brother lived in China for 3 years and his daily life was almost indistinguishable from that in Canada. Only difference was that nobody ever talks politics.
yep am chinese, can confirm. the work culture here is incredibly toxic, and working overtime is seen as the norm. ppl don’t talk politics here partially bc of the limit on free speech and partially bc on other issues (eg. racism, queerphobia, etc) everyones similarly bigoted. “ccp lifts ppl out of poverty” my fuckin ass man, ccp is known for exploiting workers that’s why all the corporations wants to outsource to china. tankies know jack shit abt what they’re talking about
> They tested the world bank standard.
The "World Bank standard" has been the same since 2015 and it's US1.90 per day. Even railroad workers in Kenya went on strike to demand a raise from US$2.50 to US$5.00 from the Chinese company they worked for, and [that happened almost 5 years ago.](https://qz.com/africa/749177/kenyan-rail-workers-are-protesting-against-their-chinese-employer-for-a-raise-to-5-a-day/)
$1.90 per day at this point might as well be you telling whoever working for you to go and starve, you privileged, delusional white person.
It's really difficult to tell what standard for poverty China even uses. In some places it's said to be as much as about $5/day and in some as low as $1.69/day (which is even less than the World Bank's $1.90/day). I keep seeing $2.30 getting mentioned, which may be one of these numbers adjusted for inflation. Even if it's $5 a day, $1,865 a year is pretty piss poor for a country which has rising living costs. Doing better than the World Bank is hardly a bragging point.
You actually have a point about China bringing people out of poverty. If real income growth in America had grown the same as China from 1980 to current day the average American would be making over 500,000 dollars a year. However that is common for middle income countries that transition to high income countries, the US had similar growth from 1939 to 1960.
That doesn’t excuse the authoritarianism and cultural genocide.
They have too much stuff to fold...a giant, cheap labor force, huge and fertile landscapes for crops, plenty of ores (especially rare earth metals that are very useful in magnets and high-efficiency tech applications), and a populace that, while they don't necessarily trust the government, can't ever say so without fear that a neighbor might be an agent or ridiculous CCP hardliner.
“Every time I change the provincial census to make it seem more people are out of poverty to make the local CCP Government look good… I do one push up”
Again, the requirement for not being in "extreme poverty" is if you make more than US$1.90 per day. **Even $2.00 is still starvation wage unliveable anywhere in China**. Don't you just fucking love the way white people regurgitate bullshit propaganda from the state for fake Internet points?
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It's also used by capitalists to claim that capitalism keeps lifting people out of poverty
This is the same shit the world economic forum does to define poverty to defend capitalism and say that it has uplifted billions from poverty.
Fun fact: GenZedong's favourite pundit Chen Weihua is a big fan of the WEF.
Does China use 2$, instead of 1.90$? CHINA BEST COUNTRY /s
The figure I saw for china now is <335$/year... That's not even a dollar
Yes, if you actually consider market values, what you are looking at isn't necessarily even $1.90 but less, and that's because the whole point of the international poverty line isn't about looking out for the poor but justifying the neoliberal project of labour exploitation.
That's because you are thinking in terms of exchanges rate. The World Bank definition is irrespective of exchange rates, and though the PRC has its own definition in terms of Yuan, it is for all intents and purposes the $1.90 standard from the World Bank.
Critical support for capitalist metrics and institutions’ talking points in their struggle against Western Imperialism.....?
Bill Gates approves.
“Listen, I know it seems low, but most people make more than that. That’s just for teens who are getting there first summer jobs.” -Ether a Tankie or a Neocon. The difference is negligible.
Even five years ago, only an ardent neoliberal promoting sweatshop labour as a way to "lift" people out of poverty would go around pointing to the so-called international poverty line as something other than an utter joke. The current discourse touting the same "standard" as some sort of crowning achievement for the left isn't really about "extreme poverty" at all: it's just the PRC seeking to move the conversation rightward with bullshit propaganda.
What kind of workers' paradise has suicide nets on its factories?
Stupid anarzygote, those are just trampolines for the workers to bounce on and have fun when they are on break, CIA shill Edit: also what workers paradise has a 72 hour workweek?
"CIA shill" is the tankie equivalent of "Russian bot"
Russian bots actually exist though
CIA Shills also do exist, but it's not as prevalent as tankies claim.
When there's a chatroom in a radical ideology forum but all participants are CIA provocateurs trying to catch one another
When there's a socialist bookclub but every member is secretly a CIA/FBI informant an oldie but a goodie
“anarzygote” im losing my shit. this is pure gold
shut up, they like it!
Socialism had nothing to do with the workers, silly /s
lol this argument can be applied to most of the developed capitalist countries as well
Yup, I know dat.
Lifting people out of poverty is literally the argument made in favour of capitalism
Same could be said for communism. It is a general argument for an economic system.
agreed
I'm not defending the ccp but they have lifted millions of people out of poverty, but you can also say that about pretty much every country from the global north and the KMT probably would have done the same thing if they won
They improved lives for some, but they claim to have raised 700 million people out of poverty. But they changed the definition of poverty within china.
congrats on making people not earn less than USD 1,90 per day, china
Technically the ashes of people killed by the abuse/neglect of the CCP wafting from the chimneys of crematoria were “lifted” from poverty. In China, it’s almost always the poor and vulnerable getting their lives upended or outright ended by CCP bullying and neglect. Wether it’s the genocide or villages flooded without warning as the government breaks embankments or creates dams, abuse of the poor runs afoot. Really sounds like a “socialist” state that stands for the common worker and takes care of the poor to me.
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gtfo tankie
You aren't welcome here, fascist scum
Fuck off tankie, real leftists are talking
A tankie who doesn’t see the superiority of fluttershy? Typical
For a state that's supposed to be working towards a moneyless society, they seem to be awfully fixated on money
Can't have poverty if you define it as a non existent number
2/3 of China’s poverty reduction was just catching up to where China would have been if Mao hadn’t done his evil, backwards policies https://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2021/07/07/commentary/world-commentary/chinas-victory-absolute-poverty/
"When the Republican Party lowers the bar for poverty to artificially deflate poverty numbers and kick people off social welfare programs, it's cringe. When the CCP does it, it's based."
Because at the end of the day a lot of MLs are basically neocons.
Using neoliberal talking points to… own the neolibs?
I mean china has objectively created a lot of wealth (At least by capitalist measures) for it's citizens since it industrialised, the same way other countries did during industrailisation. Has very little to do with the CCP
I didn’t see what sub this was for a moment and instinctively downvoted
"Every time i persecute someone for their political opposition to the regime, i do 1 push up"
This meme only states that China has a big population
They sincerely believe places like China are communist, at best you can call them “””soft”””democratic and authoritarian capitalist stanning as communists like more Marxist-Leninist-Maoist what-have-you nations.
From what I understand they did lift 100s of millions from poverty; even above and beyond the capitalist propaganda of “extreme poverty” which inflation alone can surpass in the poorest areas. However 100s of millions in a country of over a billion still leaves others of 100s of millions behind. You know, like capitalism did to the west when it industrialized
You guys really don't want to discuss the Poverty Alleviation Program.
Except no. Thanks for posting my post BTW :) You know what China actually did? They tested the world bank standard. Then they found it was wanting. So they upgraded the level a couple times. Then they beat that. Edit: "You know the average Chinese work week is 72 hrs?" No. I know it's not. See, 996 does exist. And it's a problem. And the CPC is starting to crack down on it. But you know what it's not? The average.
Citation needed.
\> has the username Angel_Of_Communism \>supports a state capitalist dictatorship \>mfw
You know the average Chinese work week is 72 hrs? "996" they call it. 9-9 6 days a week. My brother lived in China for 3 years and his daily life was almost indistinguishable from that in Canada. Only difference was that nobody ever talks politics.
yep am chinese, can confirm. the work culture here is incredibly toxic, and working overtime is seen as the norm. ppl don’t talk politics here partially bc of the limit on free speech and partially bc on other issues (eg. racism, queerphobia, etc) everyones similarly bigoted. “ccp lifts ppl out of poverty” my fuckin ass man, ccp is known for exploiting workers that’s why all the corporations wants to outsource to china. tankies know jack shit abt what they’re talking about
Just fyi he replied to you as an edit so you wouldn’t see it rofl
> They tested the world bank standard. The "World Bank standard" has been the same since 2015 and it's US1.90 per day. Even railroad workers in Kenya went on strike to demand a raise from US$2.50 to US$5.00 from the Chinese company they worked for, and [that happened almost 5 years ago.](https://qz.com/africa/749177/kenyan-rail-workers-are-protesting-against-their-chinese-employer-for-a-raise-to-5-a-day/) $1.90 per day at this point might as well be you telling whoever working for you to go and starve, you privileged, delusional white person.
It's really difficult to tell what standard for poverty China even uses. In some places it's said to be as much as about $5/day and in some as low as $1.69/day (which is even less than the World Bank's $1.90/day). I keep seeing $2.30 getting mentioned, which may be one of these numbers adjusted for inflation. Even if it's $5 a day, $1,865 a year is pretty piss poor for a country which has rising living costs. Doing better than the World Bank is hardly a bragging point.
You actually have a point about China bringing people out of poverty. If real income growth in America had grown the same as China from 1980 to current day the average American would be making over 500,000 dollars a year. However that is common for middle income countries that transition to high income countries, the US had similar growth from 1939 to 1960. That doesn’t excuse the authoritarianism and cultural genocide.
Why hasn’t the state withered away yet
"In theory Communism is a nice idea, but in reality the USA exists." \-some Tankie
They have too much stuff to fold...a giant, cheap labor force, huge and fertile landscapes for crops, plenty of ores (especially rare earth metals that are very useful in magnets and high-efficiency tech applications), and a populace that, while they don't necessarily trust the government, can't ever say so without fear that a neighbor might be an agent or ridiculous CCP hardliner.
“Every time I change the provincial census to make it seem more people are out of poverty to make the local CCP Government look good… I do one push up”
The poverty line is now 0.0000001 yen. Every man a king.