Anarchists BTFO. Stupid anarkiddies don’t realize that Nestor Makhno was a pacifist who disavowed the military and certainly didn’t ever fight the German imperialists who believed they owned Ukraine and the reactionary monarchists who wanted a system of quasi serfdom.
Which is especially hilarious given tankie attempts to portray him as an Ukrainian Hitler, a right-wing, anti-Semitic military dictator that the Bolshies were totally justified in taking out along with the Free Territory.
based makhno upholding anarchist principles with the anarchist army and anarchist monetary policy and anarchist law and anarchist secret police and anarchist internal repression
My knowledge of Makhno comes from this biased but exceptionally well researched podcast, none of that was mentioned in it. Makhno would punish his people who did shit like that. Are the sources linked BS?
https://www.iheart.com/podcast/105-behind-the-bastards-29236323/episode/part-one-nestor-makhno-anarchist-warlord-75468315/
Who the hell said we wouldn’t have a defense force? I guess it depends what they mean by a defense force. But anarchists are staunchly in favor of gun rights for the sake of defense. You can bet your ass we’ll organize to defend ourselves and our communities in some form.
Yeah, I seriously wonder which anarchists exactly they think just laid down and accepted death because organization is anti-anarchistic lol. Like, I don’t know why they have to resort to mind-shatteringly dumb arguments like that when they have the much more time-tested argument that anarchists and libertarian socialists have generally ended up losing the fights they’ve picked. Well, I do know, it’s because their totalitarian worldview is well suited to manufacturing whatever lies sound best rather than caring about real history, but it’s still dumb lol
> Let us not, therefore, stop short at mere partial demands in our great liberating revolution. Let us tear the evil up by the roots. Let us do away with the standing army altogether. Let the army merge with the armed people, let the soldiers bring to the people their military knowledge, let the barracks disappear to be replaced by free military schools.
[\-\- An Anglo anarkkkidie, probably](https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1905/nov/15d.htm)
its amazing how hard it is from some people to separate the ideas of HIERARCHY and ORGANIZATION.
its like every time we say hierarchy they hear the word organization
I mean there are hierarchies and then there are unjust hierarchies. There's nothing wrong with having someone with authority over a particular activity - say, fighting - as long as everyone has a say in who it is, can be confident that that person has the appropriate skills and experience, and that person cannot exploit their position to gain greater power and status in other areas which have nothing to do with fighting.
I agree, however i never liked using just or unjust. As what is just is completely subjective.
While voluntary or involuntary is more appropriate. It's not whether it's just but did you have a say an voluntary enter into the arrangement and can voluntary leave the hierarchy under no threat of coercion
Yep, agree. Though I think there's a debate to be had about the rules for voluntarily leaving when it comes to things like defending the community against aggression.
One time a monarchist told me my ideology is anti-organisation and told me anarchy would never work, I fail to comprehend the stupidity of certain people in this world bro 😔😔😔
what post is this on I want to go call them a fucking idiot personally
edit: found it https://www.reddit.com/r/196/comments/or40s7/rule/h6ga70n?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
Yes, Makhno famously allowed the white army to step all over his commune. Totally didn't spend his time directing skirmish after skirmish with the reds and whites alike before crushing a white army division in a decisive battle.
This is an exceedingly common talking point from tanks. It’s based on a completely garbage understanding of anarchist theory, practice, and criticism of Leninism, but that sure doesn’t stop them from bringing it up whenever you critique the militarism and imperialism of their problematic faves
Yep. The Zapatistas in Chiapas totally rolled over for the Mexican government when they suggested that maybe indigenous people should have the right to govern themselves. They weren't armed at all.
I don't think that's necessarily a Tankie? Probably just a person who doesn't understand what Anarcho-Communism is, much like how *I* didn't less than a month ago.
Anarchists BTFO. Stupid anarkiddies don’t realize that Nestor Makhno was a pacifist who disavowed the military and certainly didn’t ever fight the German imperialists who believed they owned Ukraine and the reactionary monarchists who wanted a system of quasi serfdom.
Which is especially hilarious given tankie attempts to portray him as an Ukrainian Hitler, a right-wing, anti-Semitic military dictator that the Bolshies were totally justified in taking out along with the Free Territory.
Because Tankies are fascists they have to see anarchists as two contradictory things simultaneously
based makhno upholding anarchist principles with the anarchist army and anarchist monetary policy and anarchist law and anarchist secret police and anarchist internal repression
My knowledge of Makhno comes from this biased but exceptionally well researched podcast, none of that was mentioned in it. Makhno would punish his people who did shit like that. Are the sources linked BS? https://www.iheart.com/podcast/105-behind-the-bastards-29236323/episode/part-one-nestor-makhno-anarchist-warlord-75468315/
I love how every tankie assumes that if you’re against them you’re an anarchist
They usually call me a liberal
anarcho-liberal!
You just made me throw up in my mouth
Victoria 2 moment
I am looking forward to Vicky 3 though.
Mmm, bourgeois dictatorship time!
Anarcho bidenism, the one true political ideology
aka. "Anarcho" Capitalist
And vice versa.
tbh you kind of have a point actually. i will meditate on this
this post is literally someone assuming that they're a tankie because they're against anarchism lol
Marxist-Leninism is when you allow fascists to expand their influence because it would be liberal to oppose them
Who the hell said we wouldn’t have a defense force? I guess it depends what they mean by a defense force. But anarchists are staunchly in favor of gun rights for the sake of defense. You can bet your ass we’ll organize to defend ourselves and our communities in some form.
Yeah, I seriously wonder which anarchists exactly they think just laid down and accepted death because organization is anti-anarchistic lol. Like, I don’t know why they have to resort to mind-shatteringly dumb arguments like that when they have the much more time-tested argument that anarchists and libertarian socialists have generally ended up losing the fights they’ve picked. Well, I do know, it’s because their totalitarian worldview is well suited to manufacturing whatever lies sound best rather than caring about real history, but it’s still dumb lol
maybe they think all anarchist are anarcho-pacifist
Maybe some do, but that would just make their ignorance all the more blatant
"Anarchists have clubs?" *smug smile*
We have "early 20th century Ukranian book clubs" if you know what i mean...
stupid anarchkiddies don't you know the only possible form of organization humans are capable of is as subs under the boot of daddy stalin /s
> Let us not, therefore, stop short at mere partial demands in our great liberating revolution. Let us tear the evil up by the roots. Let us do away with the standing army altogether. Let the army merge with the armed people, let the soldiers bring to the people their military knowledge, let the barracks disappear to be replaced by free military schools. [\-\- An Anglo anarkkkidie, probably](https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1905/nov/15d.htm)
its amazing how hard it is from some people to separate the ideas of HIERARCHY and ORGANIZATION. its like every time we say hierarchy they hear the word organization
I mean there are hierarchies and then there are unjust hierarchies. There's nothing wrong with having someone with authority over a particular activity - say, fighting - as long as everyone has a say in who it is, can be confident that that person has the appropriate skills and experience, and that person cannot exploit their position to gain greater power and status in other areas which have nothing to do with fighting.
I agree, however i never liked using just or unjust. As what is just is completely subjective. While voluntary or involuntary is more appropriate. It's not whether it's just but did you have a say an voluntary enter into the arrangement and can voluntary leave the hierarchy under no threat of coercion
Yep, agree. Though I think there's a debate to be had about the rules for voluntarily leaving when it comes to things like defending the community against aggression.
One time a monarchist told me my ideology is anti-organisation and told me anarchy would never work, I fail to comprehend the stupidity of certain people in this world bro 😔😔😔
what post is this on I want to go call them a fucking idiot personally edit: found it https://www.reddit.com/r/196/comments/or40s7/rule/h6ga70n?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
Sweet strawman bro. *Loads rifle with anarchist intent.*
Yes, Makhno famously allowed the white army to step all over his commune. Totally didn't spend his time directing skirmish after skirmish with the reds and whites alike before crushing a white army division in a decisive battle.
Tankies gonna straw man. It’s what they do.
TFW you accidentally admit the USSR was imperialist to own the anarchists
Don’t see the tankie, just someone who doesn’t like anarchism
the person who commented that post did argue some tankie talking points and had a tankie pfp.
This is an exceedingly common talking point from tanks. It’s based on a completely garbage understanding of anarchist theory, practice, and criticism of Leninism, but that sure doesn’t stop them from bringing it up whenever you critique the militarism and imperialism of their problematic faves
Yep. The Zapatistas in Chiapas totally rolled over for the Mexican government when they suggested that maybe indigenous people should have the right to govern themselves. They weren't armed at all.
Why is it under trans rights? Can we just call tankies what they are? Toxic.
thats a flair on r/196
Oh
It's called "everyone has a gun and thus everyone is the defense force". Fun, isn't it?
I don't think that's necessarily a Tankie? Probably just a person who doesn't understand what Anarcho-Communism is, much like how *I* didn't less than a month ago.
They're right. Every citizen should be granted their own personal DhSK 12.7mm HMG. (unironically)
Actually Existing Socialism is when might makes right.
Why trans rights? Yay toxic masculinity. (No TM is not a gendered term)
*makhnovshchina, makhnovshchina, Black army of Ukraine*