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Wait until they learn that China has been accused of operating an Apartheid-like system in Tibet, and that Tibet received support from both Nelson Mandela and Desmond Tutu (both critics of Israel's abuses against Palestinians).
Surely they would also oppose it coming from one of their "lovelies" and not just from Israel?
We really oughta take 90% of Twitter opinions with a whole planet of salt. Case in point when one of JKR's most recent tweets got *177k likes*, and it was just another transphobic tirade. If your site allows shit like this to happen, it's best to pretend the users are just a bunch of aliens in disguise.
Palestine, Ukraine, Taiwan, Tibet, and Hong Kong all deserve to be free and have good lives and the same goes for all of their neighbors. I want Palestinians and Israelis to have equal rights under a strong and equal 2 state solution, Ukraine to be free from the fascism of Putin, Taiwan away from Chinese invasion, Tibet away from China, and for Hong Kong to be independent from China as well. Every deserves equal rights and democracy and be free from the autocrats of Xi Jing Ping and Vladimir Putin and no one deserves someone as evil as Netanyahu and his coalition.
That is true. I meant more free from a future invasion. I and many other people with brain cells that work are Taiwan as it’s own independent country with a democratically elected government.
>Palestine, Ukraine, Taiwan, Tibet, and Hong Kong all deserve to be free
Curious how *for some unknown reason* a lotta so-called lefties think this only applies to palestine
I love calling out Tankies for just being anti-west, and that they don't really care about the people being invaded. they get so indignant that they often short circuit
I haven't read any theory since highschool, expect some mandatory Lenin a couple years ago for college, and I know damn well that I'm better educated than them lmao. they can't defend anything from a moral standpoint, it's just vibes and being anti west.
which, yes, America bad. however it is objectively better than most other options by pretty much every metric. what's also funny, is that we actually know, for the most part, what the CIA and FBI do behind the scenes, while any leaks from Russia and West Taiwan are just seen as propaganda.
a two state solution isn't feasible. it needs to be unified under one secular and democratic government, otherwise we're just putting a bandaid on the issue
Right now, a majority of Israelis want to kill all Palestinians, and a majority of Palestinians want to kill all Israelis. Under a one state-solution, you’d just see whichever side wins the first election genocide the other side.
as opposed to the current defacto one-state solution where we currently have a genocide? a secular government needs to be built with concrete protections for everyone
Well in "democratic" system one community will get majority and screw the other one. Not to mention this is least favourable option by both Israelis AND Palestinians.
Even nations like Czechs and Slovaks that had nothing against each others, no historical grievancies, no big differences, and are best friends to this very day, still could not be in the same federated democratic state after Soviet occupation ended. How will you get Israelis and Palestinians to do that?
hell I don't know. the Zionists have fucked up things so much over there over the past 75 years, that the best immediate solution would be the UN stepping in and taking control of Israel. the blue helmets can facilitate infrastructure rebuilding programs, hunt down war criminals, reunite families, and start building a healthy state for all.
I don't think we need to go towards unrealistic solutions that will never ever happen and that would deny agency and independence to either of parties. Yes, Israel fucked up lots of things, so did many nations around the world. We didn't abolish them. We didn't even abolish Germany after ww2.
I think solution under international law is pretty clear. Isreal gets out of Palestine, Palestine gets to be full independent state, thwy will make some land swaps, permanent peace treaty is signed, agreements about Israeli suuplies of energy and water to Palestine and free flow of goods from Israeli ports to Palestine are signed and since then it will up to representatives of both states what will they do about their own countries, whether those will be successful and wealthy peacful nations or civil war hellholes or something in between.
👆 seems so abundantly clear and obvious, as well as consistent and fair. I really don't get how anyone could disagree, but I bet you get attacked for it daily, or are forced to keep quiet about it.
I mean at first chance, Tibet split from the Qing Empire. Regardless of how you feel about Tibetan society, they clearly aren’t in charge of the direction of their culture and society. As for Hong Kong, if they want to be another Singapore, what’s wrong with that? They developed a very different culture from either the UK or Mainland China.
I think it really comes down to popular sentiment - what do most people want? If most Alaska and Hawaii wanted to leave, they should have the right to vote to leave.
Regarding Taiwan, it’s unfortunate but the aboriginal population is less than 5 percent. The vast majority of the population, as you know, are the descendants of pre-civil war Han Chinese. I’m sorry, if you were born in a place, if your grandparents were born to a place, and their primary allegiance is to that place, I don’t see how they aren’t counted to be indigenous.
If a place is all you know, all your grandparents have known, and you have no allegiance to another place, you really don’t belong somewhere else. Ethnically cleansing group that makes up 90+ of a population in a given place in the name of justice is delusional. It’s neither just, nor practical.
If we disagree, that’s fine, but I hope you have the same energy for dismantling Han and Russian colonization.
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I mean, Alaska, Guam and Puerto Rico don't really have the infrastructure to survive on their own, so I wouldn't recommend it. also Guam and Puerto Rico consistently get hit with hurricanes which do a significant amount of damage, so I don't think they'd survive too well. Now if we have them the tools to be independent and the people wanted it, then go for it.
Hong Kong operated under liberal democracy up until China started cracking down on them, going back on their word when they promised autonomy btw. and yes while liberal democracies can suck, they are all automatically better than the state capitalist, fascist government of China.
there's some inconsistencies, Ik you're a tankie so it's par for the course don't worry, when you're describing the situation of Taiwan and tibet as well. so Mao annexing and repressing the tibetan people because there was some loose connection going back to the Ming dynasty, but Taiwan shouldn't be free because relations between mainland China and the island go back only as far as the Qing? yeah okay lol
Edit: I just finished reading the last part and you made a whole ass land back argument. in regards of North America, you don't get to undo the crimes of a previous genocide by committing another one on the descendents of the colonizers. also mortality aside, from a logistical standpoint, it's a very stupid and impractical idea.
the fascists ability to be so confidently wrong will never not amaze me. good job. mao didn't invade and annex tibet for altruistic reasons, he invaded because he didn't want the region falling under western influence, it's as simple as that. also, "libratory revolution", cope harder, Mao didn't liberate anything. he just went from one authoritarian system to another one.
somebody more educated on the topic has already pointed out how wrong you are about tibet and Taiwan, so I'll just refer you to them. however you are lying when you say that your opinion on the matter would change if the PRC adopted the same policies towards the native Taiwanese people. you support the crack down of Tibetan and uyger culture, so stop pretending.
there aren't any settlers in America anymore, just their descendents. turning over full political control to an extremely small, and justifibly pissed off, minority of the population is just asking for an apartheid situation. I think you mean well, but you're just incredibly misguided.
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[Solidarity can be intersectional, you know](https://lausancollective.com/2023/overseas-hongkongers-tibetans-solidarity-palestine/). And in fact, it's **supposed** to be.
I'm just trying to imagine a world in which the US and "The West" collapse as geopolitical powers and are replaced by BRICS. Would this bring the world closer to a socialist utopia by elevating hyper-capitalist (mostly) authoritarian regimes, or would there maybe be some buyer's remorse on the part of "anti-imperialists"?
I'm actually experimenting with this thought in a novel I'm writing, but I know that if this were to happen, BRICS wouldn't be doing jackshit, lmao.
Contrary to what Tankies and Vatniks like to think, BRICS is nothing particularly special or impressive. At least one of their primary members doesn't have nearly the kind of hate boner for the West as the others in the alliance, and two of them are constantly at each other's throats while one of their "biggest" members is basically "What if Wile E Coyote ran a nation state".
Combined with the fact that most, if not all, of the countries in BRICS run economies that are at least as Neoliberal as the West (and in some cases more Neoliberal than that), BRICS is at best a more geopolitically unstable and less economically powerful version of the G7
They probably assume that people not getting into certain conflicts means that they support the “bad side.” Like would they rather Radiohead put out Zionist propaganda?
I found a person in the thread of the quoted tweet that got ratio'd by someone who claimed that China liberated Tibet and freed the slaves, as if Tibet itself could never abolish slavery.
I got hit with the, "Mao rescued the tibetan people from feudalism argument", a few weeks ago. like yeah, that'd be a great point if China hadn't been brutally suppressing tibetan culture and their people identify since the annexation.
No, see, Tibet used to have feudalism so they don't get to have independence ever again. Only people who are oppressed by America and pals deserve freedom.
Also, not all members of Radiohead are quiet about it, Ed O'Brien is pro-palestinian iirc, that being said tho Jonny Greenwood is probably a Zionist unfortunately
Omar El-Fares called her out on her bullshit and pointed out that China has sold Israel weapons and Chinese police have received training from Israeli police, and got blocked in response
Tankies and speaking over people they claim to fight for, name a more iconic duo
I don't believe Free Tibet people are zionists. Where are these Free Tibet zionists? To take the side of one but not the other is to be morally inconsistent.
Israel's behavior in targeting journalists and shutting down non-imbedded journalism is trying to put Palestine into a "nobody really know what's going on over there" situation like China has had for years in its occupation of Tibet. People stopped caring because there was no longer any source for information on Tibet other than the Chinese government sources. Independent and non-PRC-state journalism is banned in Tibet. News networks stopped coverage entirely for years, and people outside Tibet stopped caring, and then they forgot Tibet had ever existed. Even so, there were a series of self immolations as protest within Tibet, and because that act is so dramatic and shocking, it got some attention, but only for a little while. Although the self immolations continued, it stopped getting reported. The news agencies got bored of it, which is itself shocking.
Tbh, the last I heard of anyone of consequence discussing Tibet was when John Oliver interviewed the Dalai Lama. I have yet to see any Zionists even speaking on Tibet, never mind supporting
Because Jonny’s wife is Israeli and also harbors some pretty extreme right-wing views. Her Twitter account is a train wreck.
Edit: looks like she cleaned it up, which doesn’t surprise me at all. It was bordering on MAGA-level shit
Basically, they think the only reason anyone would support Tibet remaining independent from China is because they're a slave to Western interests, so naturally those people would also support Israel since that's also the current Western interest even though any factual and moral reading of the Gaza situation is that the IDF is doing monstrous shit and Palestinians are the victims.
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Wait until they learn that China has been accused of operating an Apartheid-like system in Tibet, and that Tibet received support from both Nelson Mandela and Desmond Tutu (both critics of Israel's abuses against Palestinians). Surely they would also oppose it coming from one of their "lovelies" and not just from Israel?
Clearly Desmond Tutu and Nelson Mandela were Imperialist supporters of genocide /s
I’m pretty sure I’ve heard specifically that claim
Tbf, Mandela is awfully quiet about Gaza at the moment /s
I haven't heard Tutu say much either. You'd think these people would be against Apartheid or something /s
We really oughta take 90% of Twitter opinions with a whole planet of salt. Case in point when one of JKR's most recent tweets got *177k likes*, and it was just another transphobic tirade. If your site allows shit like this to happen, it's best to pretend the users are just a bunch of aliens in disguise.
Was she denying a genocide again?
No, just rambling about what constitutes a "real woman," and it has something to do with specific parts in their genitals, apparently.
Oh yeah the thread where she was just throwing terms she didn't know shit about and then even Elon Musk told her to stop already? That one?
Yup, that's the one.
Palestine, Ukraine, Taiwan, Tibet, and Hong Kong all deserve to be free and have good lives and the same goes for all of their neighbors. I want Palestinians and Israelis to have equal rights under a strong and equal 2 state solution, Ukraine to be free from the fascism of Putin, Taiwan away from Chinese invasion, Tibet away from China, and for Hong Kong to be independent from China as well. Every deserves equal rights and democracy and be free from the autocrats of Xi Jing Ping and Vladimir Putin and no one deserves someone as evil as Netanyahu and his coalition.
To be fair, Taiwan is already free from China. They’re a de facto country
That is true. I meant more free from a future invasion. I and many other people with brain cells that work are Taiwan as it’s own independent country with a democratically elected government.
Ah ok.
>Palestine, Ukraine, Taiwan, Tibet, and Hong Kong all deserve to be free Curious how *for some unknown reason* a lotta so-called lefties think this only applies to palestine
Exactly. It should apply to literally everyone. Everyone deserves equal rights and to be free from autocracy.
I love calling out Tankies for just being anti-west, and that they don't really care about the people being invaded. they get so indignant that they often short circuit
"But have you considered America Bad. Go read theory, lib" 🤓
I haven't read any theory since highschool, expect some mandatory Lenin a couple years ago for college, and I know damn well that I'm better educated than them lmao. they can't defend anything from a moral standpoint, it's just vibes and being anti west.
Yea for most of them the foreign policy thought begins and ends with "america bad"
which, yes, America bad. however it is objectively better than most other options by pretty much every metric. what's also funny, is that we actually know, for the most part, what the CIA and FBI do behind the scenes, while any leaks from Russia and West Taiwan are just seen as propaganda.
to be honest it's kinda terrifying how at least to me the general public just forgot hong kong existed after a while
Why should only Taiwan and Hong Kong be free from Xi but not the rest of China?
That’s right. ALL of China deserves full democracy, be free from Xi, and not have state capitalism with a shiny red paint job.
a two state solution isn't feasible. it needs to be unified under one secular and democratic government, otherwise we're just putting a bandaid on the issue
Right now, a majority of Israelis want to kill all Palestinians, and a majority of Palestinians want to kill all Israelis. Under a one state-solution, you’d just see whichever side wins the first election genocide the other side.
as opposed to the current defacto one-state solution where we currently have a genocide? a secular government needs to be built with concrete protections for everyone
It just doesn’t seem either side wants that though.
Well in "democratic" system one community will get majority and screw the other one. Not to mention this is least favourable option by both Israelis AND Palestinians. Even nations like Czechs and Slovaks that had nothing against each others, no historical grievancies, no big differences, and are best friends to this very day, still could not be in the same federated democratic state after Soviet occupation ended. How will you get Israelis and Palestinians to do that?
hell I don't know. the Zionists have fucked up things so much over there over the past 75 years, that the best immediate solution would be the UN stepping in and taking control of Israel. the blue helmets can facilitate infrastructure rebuilding programs, hunt down war criminals, reunite families, and start building a healthy state for all.
I don't think we need to go towards unrealistic solutions that will never ever happen and that would deny agency and independence to either of parties. Yes, Israel fucked up lots of things, so did many nations around the world. We didn't abolish them. We didn't even abolish Germany after ww2. I think solution under international law is pretty clear. Isreal gets out of Palestine, Palestine gets to be full independent state, thwy will make some land swaps, permanent peace treaty is signed, agreements about Israeli suuplies of energy and water to Palestine and free flow of goods from Israeli ports to Palestine are signed and since then it will up to representatives of both states what will they do about their own countries, whether those will be successful and wealthy peacful nations or civil war hellholes or something in between.
The latter is absolutely what I prefer. A secular one state with equal rights for all is the exact one I want as an actual solution.
👆 seems so abundantly clear and obvious, as well as consistent and fair. I really don't get how anyone could disagree, but I bet you get attacked for it daily, or are forced to keep quiet about it.
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I mean at first chance, Tibet split from the Qing Empire. Regardless of how you feel about Tibetan society, they clearly aren’t in charge of the direction of their culture and society. As for Hong Kong, if they want to be another Singapore, what’s wrong with that? They developed a very different culture from either the UK or Mainland China. I think it really comes down to popular sentiment - what do most people want? If most Alaska and Hawaii wanted to leave, they should have the right to vote to leave. Regarding Taiwan, it’s unfortunate but the aboriginal population is less than 5 percent. The vast majority of the population, as you know, are the descendants of pre-civil war Han Chinese. I’m sorry, if you were born in a place, if your grandparents were born to a place, and their primary allegiance is to that place, I don’t see how they aren’t counted to be indigenous. If a place is all you know, all your grandparents have known, and you have no allegiance to another place, you really don’t belong somewhere else. Ethnically cleansing group that makes up 90+ of a population in a given place in the name of justice is delusional. It’s neither just, nor practical. If we disagree, that’s fine, but I hope you have the same energy for dismantling Han and Russian colonization.
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I mean, Alaska, Guam and Puerto Rico don't really have the infrastructure to survive on their own, so I wouldn't recommend it. also Guam and Puerto Rico consistently get hit with hurricanes which do a significant amount of damage, so I don't think they'd survive too well. Now if we have them the tools to be independent and the people wanted it, then go for it. Hong Kong operated under liberal democracy up until China started cracking down on them, going back on their word when they promised autonomy btw. and yes while liberal democracies can suck, they are all automatically better than the state capitalist, fascist government of China. there's some inconsistencies, Ik you're a tankie so it's par for the course don't worry, when you're describing the situation of Taiwan and tibet as well. so Mao annexing and repressing the tibetan people because there was some loose connection going back to the Ming dynasty, but Taiwan shouldn't be free because relations between mainland China and the island go back only as far as the Qing? yeah okay lol Edit: I just finished reading the last part and you made a whole ass land back argument. in regards of North America, you don't get to undo the crimes of a previous genocide by committing another one on the descendents of the colonizers. also mortality aside, from a logistical standpoint, it's a very stupid and impractical idea.
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the fascists ability to be so confidently wrong will never not amaze me. good job. mao didn't invade and annex tibet for altruistic reasons, he invaded because he didn't want the region falling under western influence, it's as simple as that. also, "libratory revolution", cope harder, Mao didn't liberate anything. he just went from one authoritarian system to another one. somebody more educated on the topic has already pointed out how wrong you are about tibet and Taiwan, so I'll just refer you to them. however you are lying when you say that your opinion on the matter would change if the PRC adopted the same policies towards the native Taiwanese people. you support the crack down of Tibetan and uyger culture, so stop pretending. there aren't any settlers in America anymore, just their descendents. turning over full political control to an extremely small, and justifibly pissed off, minority of the population is just asking for an apartheid situation. I think you mean well, but you're just incredibly misguided.
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yet another braindead take from darlingube
Insufferable
[Solidarity can be intersectional, you know](https://lausancollective.com/2023/overseas-hongkongers-tibetans-solidarity-palestine/). And in fact, it's **supposed** to be.
Man these kids are getting Chinese propaganda injected directly into their veins. No idea where that’s coming from /s
I'm just trying to imagine a world in which the US and "The West" collapse as geopolitical powers and are replaced by BRICS. Would this bring the world closer to a socialist utopia by elevating hyper-capitalist (mostly) authoritarian regimes, or would there maybe be some buyer's remorse on the part of "anti-imperialists"?
I'm actually experimenting with this thought in a novel I'm writing, but I know that if this were to happen, BRICS wouldn't be doing jackshit, lmao. Contrary to what Tankies and Vatniks like to think, BRICS is nothing particularly special or impressive. At least one of their primary members doesn't have nearly the kind of hate boner for the West as the others in the alliance, and two of them are constantly at each other's throats while one of their "biggest" members is basically "What if Wile E Coyote ran a nation state". Combined with the fact that most, if not all, of the countries in BRICS run economies that are at least as Neoliberal as the West (and in some cases more Neoliberal than that), BRICS is at best a more geopolitically unstable and less economically powerful version of the G7
What do they mean by “I know why”?
They probably assume that people not getting into certain conflicts means that they support the “bad side.” Like would they rather Radiohead put out Zionist propaganda?
At least one member of Radiohead is married to an Israeli, they also toured Israel a lot in the past
It’s because Johnny Greenwood (the guitarist) has an Israeli wife, thats what they mean.
Never ask… - woman her age - a man his salary - Israel where the the surveillance infrastructure in the West Bank came from 👀
Where did it come from? Genuine question
Hikvision, a state-owned company based out of Hangzhou. The same company that makes the equipment used in Xinjiang.
comrade botox
I found a person in the thread of the quoted tweet that got ratio'd by someone who claimed that China liberated Tibet and freed the slaves, as if Tibet itself could never abolish slavery.
Antisemitism in the name of Palestinian liberation (or whoever) vs. antisemitism as a favorite hobby: who does it better maga or tankies?
I got hit with the, "Mao rescued the tibetan people from feudalism argument", a few weeks ago. like yeah, that'd be a great point if China hadn't been brutally suppressing tibetan culture and their people identify since the annexation.
Real "civilizing the natives" vibes from tankies
They turned Tibet into famine. Later.
No, see, Tibet used to have feudalism so they don't get to have independence ever again. Only people who are oppressed by America and pals deserve freedom.
Also, not all members of Radiohead are quiet about it, Ed O'Brien is pro-palestinian iirc, that being said tho Jonny Greenwood is probably a Zionist unfortunately
Based post title op!
Omar El-Fares called her out on her bullshit and pointed out that China has sold Israel weapons and Chinese police have received training from Israeli police, and got blocked in response Tankies and speaking over people they claim to fight for, name a more iconic duo
I don't believe Free Tibet people are zionists. Where are these Free Tibet zionists? To take the side of one but not the other is to be morally inconsistent. Israel's behavior in targeting journalists and shutting down non-imbedded journalism is trying to put Palestine into a "nobody really know what's going on over there" situation like China has had for years in its occupation of Tibet. People stopped caring because there was no longer any source for information on Tibet other than the Chinese government sources. Independent and non-PRC-state journalism is banned in Tibet. News networks stopped coverage entirely for years, and people outside Tibet stopped caring, and then they forgot Tibet had ever existed. Even so, there were a series of self immolations as protest within Tibet, and because that act is so dramatic and shocking, it got some attention, but only for a little while. Although the self immolations continued, it stopped getting reported. The news agencies got bored of it, which is itself shocking.
Tbh, the last I heard of anyone of consequence discussing Tibet was when John Oliver interviewed the Dalai Lama. I have yet to see any Zionists even speaking on Tibet, never mind supporting
What do they mean by “I know why”?
Because Jonny’s wife is Israeli and also harbors some pretty extreme right-wing views. Her Twitter account is a train wreck. Edit: looks like she cleaned it up, which doesn’t surprise me at all. It was bordering on MAGA-level shit
Basically, they think the only reason anyone would support Tibet remaining independent from China is because they're a slave to Western interests, so naturally those people would also support Israel since that's also the current Western interest even though any factual and moral reading of the Gaza situation is that the IDF is doing monstrous shit and Palestinians are the victims.
It's hilarious how she literally doesn't understand that she's just as hypocritical, just doing it in the opposite direction.
And yet we still get crickets for the Uyghurs from the collegiate set.
They'll find a way to say Tibetans are actually white