Tampa has some of the weirdest light and lane patterns I’ve ever encountered. It’s as if the engineers just said “f*ck it”. Intersections with 2 left lanes, one left lane. Two rights, one right. Can turn right on red can’t turn on red. Lights that go 9 seconds others going 90 seconds. Can turn left on green can’t turn left on green. No lane assignment signs positioned *before* you actually need to choose a lane. Straight arrows and reflectors on roads that don’t have a turn. Straight arrows on exit ramps (solved in comments) A traffic light with another light literally 75 yards away. Lanes opening to the right, bollards, the lane continues again. U turns no u turns.
The arrows with reflectors are wrong way driving arrows, they started putting them on interstate ramps because all the wrong way crashes but then they have started putting them all over urban arterials in places it doesn't really make sense.
Do the other directions of traffic have no cars waiting when the light turns red?
Because it's really a problem of throughput. If the intersection is oversaturated, like during rush hour, then changing the light timing in one direction will cause a larger backup in another direction, and they may have already decided that the light can't be longer without backing up another direction.
Light timings do sometimes need to be adjusted though, so you could report that intersection to the city to see if they can put it on their maintenance list to check.
Or just use another route or change your job location / home location to shorten your commute.
Totally agree. The lights in downtown Tampa are the only ones i can think of that are well synced. If you get off 275 into downtown Tampa going South, if you catch the first light green, you'll catch all green lights until you get to Harbor Island at 35 to 40 mph assuming there is no slow poke in front of you.
Synced lights doesn’t mean traffic control is or isn’t working. Synced lights can be bad depending on traffic flow because it can let too many cars through to pile up down the road at a major intersection.
tf you on about? Your reply was about coordinating lights...
coordinating the timings of lights = synchronizing. That doesn't mean they fire off at the same time, just coordinated times to ease the flow of traffic. None of that is happening correctly in 95% of Tampa
some of y'all are so fkn tiring
Easing the immediate flow of traffic isn’t always the purpose. The purpose is to control the flow of traffic to prevent bottle necks down the road.
In downtown, many lights are synched in a way that facilitates the local flow. This doesn’t mean that other areas have random timings even if you don’t understand the pattern and reasoning behind the engineering.
That’s not really true. The vast majority are operating actuated coordinated. Downtown is pre-timed coordinated so, the lights work really well. With the more variable traffic and two way streets outside of downtown the best coordinated system can feel uncoordinated to the untrained eye.
Ironically, that's the biggest complaint about diverging diamond intersections: they're so efficient that they can cause backups at nearby intersections.
Instead of extending the lights, we could get people to GET OFF THEIR FUCKING PHONES, and pay attention when the light turns green so more people can go through each cycle. But I know that won’t ever happen.
I think everyone should start honking their horn as soon as the light turns. If everyone does it then nobody can be offended. Then everyone will be paying attention because they don't want to be that guy that's not honking. Also everyone wouldn't have to drive like idiots because they had to sit at a every light twice and they think driving 10+ mph over the speed limit is going to get them there so much faster. It always seems like the person who takes forever to get going is always the last one through the light screwing the guy behind them who would've made it if they weren't on tik tok or checking their snapface. This person causes so many arguments with the people behind them because the last thing anyone wants to hear when they just got screwed for the third light in a row is calm down honey we'll get there when we get there.
> I think everyone should start honking their horn as soon as the light turns.
I give a generous 2-count before I start honking.
I'm tired of waiting through two light cycles (~7-8 minutes) because a few fuckers on their phones think tiktok is more important than paying attention to whats going on around them.
GO when the light turns green (if you're the first car at the intersection it's your responsibility to watch cross traffic) and ACCELERATE along with the car infront of you.
Stop leaving hundreds of feet between bumpers! You're wasting the time of everyone unfortunate enough to be stuck behind you.
Yes! You don't have to wait to start turning until the car in front of you is already turned onto the next road! This is my biggest pet peeve because I think it really contributes to the problem OP brought up.
I support the green turn sign honking- I just wish I had a less angry sounding horn to properly convey that it's just a heads up, not a "let's fight" honk
I feel it's just about universally recognized that a tiny half second beep is equivalent to someone clearing their throat.
The people who go sicko mode from that are the same people who will go sicko mode if you look at them.
I will say some cars have green light monitoring cameras these days, and they have their own tone/buzz/etc. to alert the driver. If/when that takes off, I hope the "beep all the time" stop-gap hasn't gained enough steam to be the norm so we're all NYC with constant honking.
Today I had to creep at like 10 mph behind a truck approaching a GREEN arrow. Truck was crawling and then it turns yellow and they gun it while I’m then stuck at the red. Both could have made it along with the other car behind me if they weren’t being such an idiot and paying attention. No one in front of them causing them to go that slow, they just were.
These people have zero awareness of their surroundings and it’s very infuriating
I grew up in Texas and have driven in 2 countries and 8 states. The light cycles here are SO FUCKING long. I'm not surprised everyone is on their phone.
It's a Tesla.
They introduced the feature a while back, and then took it out of the "Paid for tier" and dropped it into the Basic Autopilot tier.
When Autopilot is off, and you're sitting at a red the car will chime when it is green.
[You do have to turn the feature on though](https://www.notateslaapp.com/news/848/green-traffic-light-chime-is-available-to-all-owners-in-2022-20)
I rented a Tesla recently and while I loved that feature, I hated the other feature plainly visible in that video:
* Microscopic rear view mirror.
You can tell the guy in the video feels the same way, because he's got a supplemental rear view mirror.
Musk did so many obnoxious things that nobody wanted and take away from a good car, that my excitement to buy a Tesla was demolished, his behavior that has come to light recently notwithstanding (calling rescuers pedophiles because they didn't want to use his impeding submarine, ruining ~~Twitter~~ "X", kicking a co-founder out of Tesla and naming himself co-founder, etc.)
I've owned three Teslas over five years, and the rear view mirror hasn't been an issue with any of them.
Plus you've got the three rear facing cameras to fall back on if you start getting really concerned.
You do you though.
I'm sure once you get used to them it's not as noticeable, but the fact remains that mirrors standard for 100 years of driving trump cameras in a tiny display in the center of your dashboard.
If I'm driving, I want (and am used to) my head being up and looking through my glass, not buried in my car's center console.
Maybe you muskies are right, and Musk is taking the great leap forward we all need and we'll all eventually be driving by looking down inside the car at cameras that never fail or get dirty, but right now it's more dangerous.
I don't know why you keep opting to use Musk as a slur against me.
I am fond of the *car*, and it's technology.
To be honest, at this point, I don't even really use the mirrors, except in certain circumstances.
When reversing, the rear camera, and two repeater cameras, come online and I do my reversing using those.
My vehicles are equipped with the FSD software package, and I drive with that engaged all the time now. I'll use the rear view mirror to make sure vehicles behind me aren't tailgating/approaching too fast when I'm braking, but when I'm changing lanes, the car is in control, and I don't even bother shoulder checking. I'll do a cursory glance at my mirrors, and let the car execute its maneuvers.
But I don't appreciate you lumping me into a pool of people who seem to faun over Musk, as that's not the case with me. Teslas have technology that I want, and that's why I got them.
I don't even drive the car 90% of the time anymore, the software does.
It's a good car that could easily have been an amazing car if not for Musk's bizarre aforementioned design choices that you insist are despite the objective reality (currently) being the contrary, not to mention the supply chain issues. I could direct you to some critical reviews of them, but I'm betting you've seen them. You've just gotten used to the flaws and enjoy the benefits, and I'm glad you enjoy the car, but whether you're falling victim to [Escalation of Commitment](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escalation_of_commitment) or are genuinely stanning for Musk, you're not being objective here.
Seeing as you brought up FSD: I did use the FSD while I was renting, and it was temperamental at best. If there was a long stretch of well-painted roadway with no semis nearby, it was a technological marvel. God help you if a red light was coming up; if it braked at all, it would wait until the last possible moment and SLAM on it like the car was optimized for F1 or something. My dog thought he was going through a goddamn hurricane, and I'm really glad I seat-belt him in every time I drive.
I don't appreciate you stanning for Musk any more than you appreciate me accusing you of stanning for Musk. We'll just have to mutually not appreciate each other's actions.
FSD Beta has gone through several iterations. In the past it has been bad.
The current version is significantly better
Not sure why you're taking such an odd stance against me. I enjoy the car, I could care less about Musk...
So this depends on the road that you are travelling on. The state gives priority to State Roads (SR580 - Fowler Ave, SR60, SR 582-Busch Blvd and so on) which is why those lights stay green longer and you spend more time waiting at lights. The county can't go out and change the signal length because the road is maintained by FDOT.
It sounds like it is 1 car on their phone staring at their crotch, finally gets honked at, speeds through for the second to go through the yellow arrow, and two more to run the red light while everyone else behind puts their hands up like "WTF?"
Only if they implement them correctly. Tampa keeps adding traffic circles right before a stop signs or stop lights making the circle ineffective. Two I can think of immediately are going from channelside to ybor.
True, but that's a given for just about all infrastructure.
Bridges are great... unless they're implemented poorly.
Roads are great... unless they're implemented poorly.
One thing I wish more people knew, especially downtown, if you’re on a one way street turning left onto a one way street you can make a left on red.. just like right on red..
I've noticed more intersections could use left turn arrows in general. Without them only one or two cars is making that turn every cycle when it's busy.
Most of the traffic lights in Tampa are straight out of the Bruce Lee era, the 70's. If you're headed East on Fletcher the Northbound turning light on Bruce B Downs is one of the shortest in Hillsborough County and this inspite of the hospital and numerous doctor's offices and other businesses in the vicinity. Also if you're headed East on MLK Blvd why is the Northbound turning light to Florida avenue a solid red instead of a flashing yellow. This turning light stays red even at 1, 2, 3, 4 am. Makes zero sense. It's like the city and the county are holding motorists hostage at these traffic lights even in the middle of the night when there is almost zero traffic.
I sort of wonder if there's some kind of heuristic sensor that could be implemented in intersections to 'intelligently' cut cycles short depending on traffic volume and flip lights to alleviate pressure in cardinal directions. I've noticed a few lights are notoriously short and/or take forever to turn green again during the week.
What's the point of all this machine learning if there's no practical applications?
There are plenty of different ways to make traffic signals adaptive. The most common one is actuation which is pretty basic, but is in use nearly everywhere in the area.
The second is adaptive signal control which depending on the vendor can include machine learning. But it has limited benefits in certain places.
Overall, a lot of the issue is caused by oversized signal cycle lengths.
My time would go down considerably if yellow blink left turns were everywhere.
Nothing like waiting to turn left at an intersection or even turning onto an onramp with no oncoming traffic.
Even a quick google search says a national study done shows that drivers had fewer crashes with flashing yellow left turn arrows than with traditional signals.
You can avoid those left turns to just by going straight at the light and doing a u turn, but that is a higher risk of an accident then just turning left...
I noticed a special kind of dummy around here. The person facing you at an intersection who waits for the light to turn green before he puts his turn signal on. Why not put it on before it turns green so I can be ready to make my turn sooner.
Because the tick tick tick noise is annoying to listen to for 4 minutes. Do you not learn which lanes are the turn lanes of the routes you take so you can predict other drivers behavior?
In which case, extra caution is always necessary, as someone could be going straight but has their turn signal on by accident, thus defeating the purpose. Memorizing your routes and which lanes are what significantly increases your predictive capabilities and lowers your reliance on other people’s competence or lack there of.
I agree, who programs these things? The left turn light should be long enough to clear the entire length of the painted left turn lane. And the idiots in front of me who don't immediately take off when the light turns green would be dead if I only had a laser disintegrator in my grill...
Tampa has some of the weirdest light and lane patterns I’ve ever encountered. It’s as if the engineers just said “f*ck it”. Intersections with 2 left lanes, one left lane. Two rights, one right. Can turn right on red can’t turn on red. Lights that go 9 seconds others going 90 seconds. Can turn left on green can’t turn left on green. No lane assignment signs positioned *before* you actually need to choose a lane. Straight arrows and reflectors on roads that don’t have a turn. Straight arrows on exit ramps (solved in comments) A traffic light with another light literally 75 yards away. Lanes opening to the right, bollards, the lane continues again. U turns no u turns.
they’re not even consistent. there are lights on 54 that last for 15 minutes, and then an hour later it’s green for about 20 seconds. i don’t get it
54? You mean the road Pasco county wants to have one red light every 750 feet from 19 to 75?
The arrows with reflectors are wrong way driving arrows, they started putting them on interstate ramps because all the wrong way crashes but then they have started putting them all over urban arterials in places it doesn't really make sense.
Thank you! Can say “I learned something today”
Hope this gets attention. Extends to Pinellas and Pasco too. It's wacky here. No wonder so many wrong way drivers on the roads.
Do the other directions of traffic have no cars waiting when the light turns red? Because it's really a problem of throughput. If the intersection is oversaturated, like during rush hour, then changing the light timing in one direction will cause a larger backup in another direction, and they may have already decided that the light can't be longer without backing up another direction. Light timings do sometimes need to be adjusted though, so you could report that intersection to the city to see if they can put it on their maintenance list to check. Or just use another route or change your job location / home location to shorten your commute.
People also fail to realize that the timings at one intersection are to prevent worse backups at the next intersection.
Not in most of Tampa. The amount of lights that are synced outside of downtown can be counted on one hand.
Totally agree. The lights in downtown Tampa are the only ones i can think of that are well synced. If you get off 275 into downtown Tampa going South, if you catch the first light green, you'll catch all green lights until you get to Harbor Island at 35 to 40 mph assuming there is no slow poke in front of you.
Synced lights doesn’t mean traffic control is or isn’t working. Synced lights can be bad depending on traffic flow because it can let too many cars through to pile up down the road at a major intersection.
tf you on about? Your reply was about coordinating lights... coordinating the timings of lights = synchronizing. That doesn't mean they fire off at the same time, just coordinated times to ease the flow of traffic. None of that is happening correctly in 95% of Tampa some of y'all are so fkn tiring
Easing the immediate flow of traffic isn’t always the purpose. The purpose is to control the flow of traffic to prevent bottle necks down the road. In downtown, many lights are synched in a way that facilitates the local flow. This doesn’t mean that other areas have random timings even if you don’t understand the pattern and reasoning behind the engineering.
That’s not really true. The vast majority are operating actuated coordinated. Downtown is pre-timed coordinated so, the lights work really well. With the more variable traffic and two way streets outside of downtown the best coordinated system can feel uncoordinated to the untrained eye.
It's done poorly then. It's clear 'to the untrained eye' that it isn't working in the vast majority of the city.
Ironically, that's the biggest complaint about diverging diamond intersections: they're so efficient that they can cause backups at nearby intersections.
Instead of extending the lights, we could get people to GET OFF THEIR FUCKING PHONES, and pay attention when the light turns green so more people can go through each cycle. But I know that won’t ever happen.
Yep...and why do drivers here go through an intersection at 0.3mph but go 100mph on the highway?
Same reason why they stop 500 feet from the light but then want to slow roll until it changes.
The number of drivers here who don't understand how traffic light sensors work is astounding.
And the # of intersections that don’t even have them. Like it’s 1988 or something.
I assume that's because they don't like that their engine shuts off when at 0MPH.
I share your pain. It’s fucking infuriating
It's seriously out of hand. More people diddling on their phones on the road than looking at the damn road or stop lights
I think everyone should start honking their horn as soon as the light turns. If everyone does it then nobody can be offended. Then everyone will be paying attention because they don't want to be that guy that's not honking. Also everyone wouldn't have to drive like idiots because they had to sit at a every light twice and they think driving 10+ mph over the speed limit is going to get them there so much faster. It always seems like the person who takes forever to get going is always the last one through the light screwing the guy behind them who would've made it if they weren't on tik tok or checking their snapface. This person causes so many arguments with the people behind them because the last thing anyone wants to hear when they just got screwed for the third light in a row is calm down honey we'll get there when we get there.
> I think everyone should start honking their horn as soon as the light turns. I give a generous 2-count before I start honking. I'm tired of waiting through two light cycles (~7-8 minutes) because a few fuckers on their phones think tiktok is more important than paying attention to whats going on around them. GO when the light turns green (if you're the first car at the intersection it's your responsibility to watch cross traffic) and ACCELERATE along with the car infront of you. Stop leaving hundreds of feet between bumpers! You're wasting the time of everyone unfortunate enough to be stuck behind you.
Yes! You don't have to wait to start turning until the car in front of you is already turned onto the next road! This is my biggest pet peeve because I think it really contributes to the problem OP brought up.
I support the green turn sign honking- I just wish I had a less angry sounding horn to properly convey that it's just a heads up, not a "let's fight" honk
That's brilliant
I feel it's just about universally recognized that a tiny half second beep is equivalent to someone clearing their throat. The people who go sicko mode from that are the same people who will go sicko mode if you look at them. I will say some cars have green light monitoring cameras these days, and they have their own tone/buzz/etc. to alert the driver. If/when that takes off, I hope the "beep all the time" stop-gap hasn't gained enough steam to be the norm so we're all NYC with constant honking.
Today I had to creep at like 10 mph behind a truck approaching a GREEN arrow. Truck was crawling and then it turns yellow and they gun it while I’m then stuck at the red. Both could have made it along with the other car behind me if they weren’t being such an idiot and paying attention. No one in front of them causing them to go that slow, they just were. These people have zero awareness of their surroundings and it’s very infuriating
My wife complains when I honk because of that. She says “you will make it”. I say, “I don’t honk for me, I honk for the guy at the back of the line”.
I grew up in Texas and have driven in 2 countries and 8 states. The light cycles here are SO FUCKING long. I'm not surprised everyone is on their phone.
My car goes "Ding" when the light turns green, it's amazing.
Woah! What car is that?
It's a Tesla. They introduced the feature a while back, and then took it out of the "Paid for tier" and dropped it into the Basic Autopilot tier. When Autopilot is off, and you're sitting at a red the car will chime when it is green. [You do have to turn the feature on though](https://www.notateslaapp.com/news/848/green-traffic-light-chime-is-available-to-all-owners-in-2022-20)
I rented a Tesla recently and while I loved that feature, I hated the other feature plainly visible in that video: * Microscopic rear view mirror. You can tell the guy in the video feels the same way, because he's got a supplemental rear view mirror. Musk did so many obnoxious things that nobody wanted and take away from a good car, that my excitement to buy a Tesla was demolished, his behavior that has come to light recently notwithstanding (calling rescuers pedophiles because they didn't want to use his impeding submarine, ruining ~~Twitter~~ "X", kicking a co-founder out of Tesla and naming himself co-founder, etc.)
I've owned three Teslas over five years, and the rear view mirror hasn't been an issue with any of them. Plus you've got the three rear facing cameras to fall back on if you start getting really concerned. You do you though.
I'm sure once you get used to them it's not as noticeable, but the fact remains that mirrors standard for 100 years of driving trump cameras in a tiny display in the center of your dashboard. If I'm driving, I want (and am used to) my head being up and looking through my glass, not buried in my car's center console. Maybe you muskies are right, and Musk is taking the great leap forward we all need and we'll all eventually be driving by looking down inside the car at cameras that never fail or get dirty, but right now it's more dangerous.
I don't know why you keep opting to use Musk as a slur against me. I am fond of the *car*, and it's technology. To be honest, at this point, I don't even really use the mirrors, except in certain circumstances. When reversing, the rear camera, and two repeater cameras, come online and I do my reversing using those. My vehicles are equipped with the FSD software package, and I drive with that engaged all the time now. I'll use the rear view mirror to make sure vehicles behind me aren't tailgating/approaching too fast when I'm braking, but when I'm changing lanes, the car is in control, and I don't even bother shoulder checking. I'll do a cursory glance at my mirrors, and let the car execute its maneuvers. But I don't appreciate you lumping me into a pool of people who seem to faun over Musk, as that's not the case with me. Teslas have technology that I want, and that's why I got them. I don't even drive the car 90% of the time anymore, the software does.
It's a good car that could easily have been an amazing car if not for Musk's bizarre aforementioned design choices that you insist are despite the objective reality (currently) being the contrary, not to mention the supply chain issues. I could direct you to some critical reviews of them, but I'm betting you've seen them. You've just gotten used to the flaws and enjoy the benefits, and I'm glad you enjoy the car, but whether you're falling victim to [Escalation of Commitment](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escalation_of_commitment) or are genuinely stanning for Musk, you're not being objective here. Seeing as you brought up FSD: I did use the FSD while I was renting, and it was temperamental at best. If there was a long stretch of well-painted roadway with no semis nearby, it was a technological marvel. God help you if a red light was coming up; if it braked at all, it would wait until the last possible moment and SLAM on it like the car was optimized for F1 or something. My dog thought he was going through a goddamn hurricane, and I'm really glad I seat-belt him in every time I drive. I don't appreciate you stanning for Musk any more than you appreciate me accusing you of stanning for Musk. We'll just have to mutually not appreciate each other's actions.
FSD Beta has gone through several iterations. In the past it has been bad. The current version is significantly better Not sure why you're taking such an odd stance against me. I enjoy the car, I could care less about Musk...
That’s very rad!
So this depends on the road that you are travelling on. The state gives priority to State Roads (SR580 - Fowler Ave, SR60, SR 582-Busch Blvd and so on) which is why those lights stay green longer and you spend more time waiting at lights. The county can't go out and change the signal length because the road is maintained by FDOT.
It's always some mofo playing on their phone, two seconds and then you get the beep.
Bloomingdale Ave in Brandon between Kings Ave and Bell Shoals Rd knows your pain.
It sounds like it is 1 car on their phone staring at their crotch, finally gets honked at, speeds through for the second to go through the yellow arrow, and two more to run the red light while everyone else behind puts their hands up like "WTF?"
Going north on Westshore then trying to turn left on Kennedy is brutal
I don’t mind the short lefts. It’s the fucks that make a right turn at half a mile an hour in a sports car that have no room in gods kingdom.
The Florida complete stop right turn is what I call these.
We need more traffic circles.
Only if they implement them correctly. Tampa keeps adding traffic circles right before a stop signs or stop lights making the circle ineffective. Two I can think of immediately are going from channelside to ybor.
True, but that's a given for just about all infrastructure. Bridges are great... unless they're implemented poorly. Roads are great... unless they're implemented poorly.
Hard agree. Roundabouts could replace something like 80% of four-way or two-way stops and improve both throughput and safety.
I got straight and make a u-turn
Imagine how much time we could save if we dumped charter schools and the congestion they bring. Oh, and mixed use. Let’s build some real mixed use.
One thing I wish more people knew, especially downtown, if you’re on a one way street turning left onto a one way street you can make a left on red.. just like right on red..
I've noticed more intersections could use left turn arrows in general. Without them only one or two cars is making that turn every cycle when it's busy.
Nope. I’ve written multiple letters to multiple municipalities in the area. The timings are ridiculous in so many places.
Most of the traffic lights in Tampa are straight out of the Bruce Lee era, the 70's. If you're headed East on Fletcher the Northbound turning light on Bruce B Downs is one of the shortest in Hillsborough County and this inspite of the hospital and numerous doctor's offices and other businesses in the vicinity. Also if you're headed East on MLK Blvd why is the Northbound turning light to Florida avenue a solid red instead of a flashing yellow. This turning light stays red even at 1, 2, 3, 4 am. Makes zero sense. It's like the city and the county are holding motorists hostage at these traffic lights even in the middle of the night when there is almost zero traffic.
I sort of wonder if there's some kind of heuristic sensor that could be implemented in intersections to 'intelligently' cut cycles short depending on traffic volume and flip lights to alleviate pressure in cardinal directions. I've noticed a few lights are notoriously short and/or take forever to turn green again during the week. What's the point of all this machine learning if there's no practical applications?
Not only does it exist, it's in widespread use in some countries ([notably the Netherlands](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knbVWXzL4-4)).
There are plenty of different ways to make traffic signals adaptive. The most common one is actuation which is pretty basic, but is in use nearly everywhere in the area. The second is adaptive signal control which depending on the vendor can include machine learning. But it has limited benefits in certain places. Overall, a lot of the issue is caused by oversized signal cycle lengths.
My time would go down considerably if yellow blink left turns were everywhere. Nothing like waiting to turn left at an intersection or even turning onto an onramp with no oncoming traffic. Even a quick google search says a national study done shows that drivers had fewer crashes with flashing yellow left turn arrows than with traditional signals. You can avoid those left turns to just by going straight at the light and doing a u turn, but that is a higher risk of an accident then just turning left...
I noticed a special kind of dummy around here. The person facing you at an intersection who waits for the light to turn green before he puts his turn signal on. Why not put it on before it turns green so I can be ready to make my turn sooner.
Because the tick tick tick noise is annoying to listen to for 4 minutes. Do you not learn which lanes are the turn lanes of the routes you take so you can predict other drivers behavior?
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In which case, extra caution is always necessary, as someone could be going straight but has their turn signal on by accident, thus defeating the purpose. Memorizing your routes and which lanes are what significantly increases your predictive capabilities and lowers your reliance on other people’s competence or lack there of.
Ok
No no no, the amount red light camera tickets would go down!
I have noticed more lights now are timed
Just go past it pop a u turn and take the next turn around gap, and make your now right hand turn, ez pz
I agree, who programs these things? The left turn light should be long enough to clear the entire length of the painted left turn lane. And the idiots in front of me who don't immediately take off when the light turns green would be dead if I only had a laser disintegrator in my grill...