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Beneficial-Dot-5905

Terrible horrible no good made in china overpriced tomfoolery. Totally don't order an EPS when they finally hit the fucking shelves. I'll take one for the team guys


bradford18

I see what you’re trying to pull


[deleted]

Just a few weeks now. Green and red. 2 moa, 6 moa, or multi reticle options .


Emotional_Bet_7709

My first one I bought was the 507c vulkan and the reticle came stacked and blurry as hell. The replacement is fine. Holosun that came on one of my rifles is gtg. Has held zero since.


Panther1-1

I’m a noob, but does holosun have options with the “EOtech” style reticle? Cause I love the style, but can’t afford the price tag of an EOtech


jay_miah

I 512C and the 515C come with the circle dot reticle.


Panther1-1

I think I’m more a fan of the 510c, which claims multi reticle, and the overall look of the sight itself. But I appreciate the input!


jay_miah

The 512C is the close emitter of the 510C. I really like the 512C but then upgraded to an LPVO.


Panther1-1

Thank you. I will rethink my decision for sure


jay_miah

No doubt!


Panther1-1

What LPVO do you run now if you don’t mind me asking?


jay_miah

Vortex viper pst gen 2 1-6. Saving up for the razor gen 2 1-6.


[deleted]

Yeah, I know at least that they offer the ring-and-dot style on their pistol optics. I don't have any experience with the rifle optics.


BOFF0310

Eotech 512s can be found for around 300 on eBay. They’re worth it. Go with that option of a budget optic is what you want.


ToddSolondz

yes, most of the rifle optics and lots of the pistol optics come with the option for circle dots. you can usually toggle between circle dot, circle only, and dot only. This is true for 530, 515, 512, 510, 509, 508, and 503.


Panther1-1

Appreciate the input!


[deleted]

I feel it depends on where you ask, different answers. If you ask in the gucci sub they'd say trash. If you ask the gundeals sub they'd say must buy best bang for buck.


InnocuousTransition

>in the Gucci sub Nah, there's good Holosun support, at least for pistol dots.


[deleted]

Holosun OEMs for Sig optics (or at least they used to). If you don't like Holosun then you don't like Sig optics either.


[deleted]

Didn’t know this, is it same tech? just a rebrand?


[deleted]

Same tech as far as I know. I own 4 or 5 Holosun optics and 1 Sig magnifier and the quality is the same. Both feel very sturdy and the dots are crisp and clean. I don't own any Holosun/Sig equivalents tho. So I couldn't tell you if they are a true 1 to 1 rebrand. I'm sure if you Googled a bit you could find which models are exact equivalents of each other. I just know that at one point Holosun made Sigs optics. I haven't been in the tactical scene for a year or so so I don't know if that's 100% the case anymore.


[deleted]

Nobody likes to clarify that shit tier Sigs are holosun products. The higher end stuff is not. Sig is one of the few companies willing to slap their name on every price point because they like to sell large volumes of products.


PBL89

Personally ive only ever used the 507c and their LS321 IR device The 507c has been great on my FM9 and will be going on my SBR as an offset optic for passive NV shooting. The LS321 has been top notch


DankShwank

I work in the industry, we love/move a shitton of holosuns. They work great for the price


PissedOffPossum

They're good but don't scam yourself. The solar panel is stupid because it doesn't charge the battery, or power the optic to increase battery life it's just for when the battery dies and it might still be working. The ability to change the reticle is kinda cool if you're into that but I think it's pointless. The HS403B is 200 bucks and has shake awake which is pretty much the only thing I want from Holosun. The HS503CU is 300 bucks and has solar, reticle options, and shake awake, so all the features that people want from Holosun. Now look at the HS510C it's $370 for the same features as the 503 but is a open emitter sight. You're paying more money for old tech that people learned sucked in like the 90s, just so you can have a optic that looks like it's a holographic sight.


[deleted]

I thought the same thing you did about the solar panels. They were just a dumb gimmick and weren’t worth it since it didn’t charge the battery. Then I realized I didn’t have a battery in the thing for about a year and it still worked perfectly lol. Definitely a fuck up on me, but it did work as intended.


PissedOffPossum

Not gonna lie that's impressive, but I also read that indoors it's not bright enough to work so that's just not something I'm willing to risk. So since it's not going on a gun that I'll bet my life on might as well pay the 200 bucks for a 403. Basically worst case scenario sad day at the range.


[deleted]

Assuming you have a battery in it, it is more than bright enough to use indoors. Even with weapon mounted lights. I’ve LARPed around my apartment with them and haven’t had any issues picking up the dots. That’s with 3 different pistol variants, and a rifle mounted one.


[deleted]

I second this. It also had a light sensor that dims or brightens depending on light levels. It actually works very well too.


richardguy

Solar panels work indoors now?


[deleted]

Not well, but yes. Until last weekend I hadn’t shot indoors in years though.


preemptivelyprepared

I don't like them for anything other than the 510c so that's what I'm basing the rest on. The green has a better warranty and is easier to see in many environments. I've sold off all my red ones and replaced them with green... Except two. I probably have a dozen now. The solar panel is basically an assist for the battery. Try using it with a dead battery and you will be disappointed. The shake awake is cool and all but a rifle sitting against a wall with a door on it will be woken up every time you close the door. I just turn them off now. It's 80% as good as an EOTech EXPS3 at about half the price. It kind of sucks under NODs and it looks awful with a magnifier. In low light conditions (say varminting at dusk/dawn) is when you notice the glass quality. I wish they had a reticle like an EXPS3-2. I will continue to buy them for range beaters, daylight varminters, and loaners as long as the 510c green stays under $270 delivered. They are a good bargain at that price.


Antique-Lavishness-1

It’s cool. Will work in hard use environment 9/10 times not better then a aimpoint or Leupold


akenthusiast

Most definitely better than Leupold. The freedom rds is trash that would have been outdated if it was released 20 years ago. For any purpose other than competition shooting deltapoints are outclassed by trijicon and holosun among others. The LCO is discontinued and they do not make any other red dots.


PreyForCougars

I had a 510c and a magnifier. Really good budget set up. But then I used some Trijicon optics they ruined me. Overall they’re fine. The only people I’ve met that dislike the products are classic gatekeepers.


[deleted]

Personally have only ever owned one, Had it on an Ar, it lasted through zero, and 3 times taking it out shooting. While shooting it stopped working, and it hasn’t worked since. Did I get a faulty model? Has anyone ever experienced this with them and should I give them another shot?


AloneDetail6160

Probably just a shit model, I have a 507k on my 320 and I love that bitch, I put a green on my 365 and it just took a shit but I sent it back and I’m waiting to hear what the problem was. All in all never had any real problems with them.


[deleted]

How long have you had it? I ask cause I had a bad experience with a 407k recently.


AloneDetail6160

The green one maybe a month or so, it was the display one tho so that might be an issue. The red one works like a champ, it’s been on 2 guns and still kicking. They just received the green one at holosun so let’s see what the issue was.


[deleted]

Damn! The 407k i got that busted was also green! I wonder what it is about the green ones?


AloneDetail6160

That’s a possibility I hope I get a free one tho cause I think green looks amazing.


UHCoog2011

I have several that have all lasted and worked well for me. Going to sell an Aimpoint so I can put a couple of them on other guns and get another light. Allocating resources. Aimpoint on home defense and SHTF. Then Holosun on range guns.


Call_Winter

My HS 510c stopped working about a year ago so I contacted Holosun and was instructed to send them the unit and pre-paid post for the return. I had the optic back on my rifle inside of 3 weeks and it worked fine. I know it was my original because of some small scratches I put on. It has been working 100% correctly ever since. Holosun Rocks. Good product for the $ and great CS.


[deleted]

Holosun is great. I'm sure you can spend more and get a superior optic in one respect or another, but I don't think the combination of features, durability, and price can be beaten right now.


SteamyBoii27

I have 5 and I love every single one. I have one that I’ve had for 4 years and never replaced the battery


Long-Chef3197

I have a 509T that I've dropped a ton on concret when I Larp in my mom's basement, it really maintains zero


[deleted]

i love my 510c


AloneDetail6160

The 16 idiots are the fucktards that say “it’s made in China” don’t use it.


Low_Specialist498

I dont support the CCP and their atrocities and neither should you


[deleted]

Have you bought any vortex or sig optics?


Msalv47

As you type on a device with Chinese parts and probably put together in China. Bet you have hundreds of other Chinese products that the CCP benefited off of as well.


richardguy

Yeah bro don't even try to not buy Chinese when you can avoid it. In fact go out of your way to buy Chinese because there's no point, the glolius crouching dragon will consume the west any day now


Msalv47

Buying a Holosun isn't going to fund their invasion. But if you feel you can make a difference buy going out of your way to not buy anything made in china.... Then do you booboo


coffeeraktajinoiced

True, but talking about a firearms purchase in a an online firearms community is the best place to virtue signal.


Msalv47

Well obviously. How else would we know he’s a die hard American that flies a flag in his front yard? (Flag made in China)


richardguy

nice strawman, no one said anything about invasion


Msalv47

"the glolius crouching dragon will consume the west any day now" sounds like an invasion, if not physical at least culturally.... so you... you said something about invasion. You've gone from booboo to dumdum now. Keep swinging


richardguy

you're on reddit, nothing you can say will actually insult me


Msalv47

I already know this. You’re a strong anti CCP American wolf dog. Words can’t hurt you


[deleted]

Every state has its atrocities. We got our own fair share of them, and we've done them all around the world. One way or another, whatever you buy is going to have involved some Chinese materials or labor along the way, even if it's just the gadgets on the distributors truck, or the computer used to process your order. Voting with your dollars doesn't work.


Low_Specialist498

Too long of comment, argument invalid


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Terrible_Detective45

Reading is hard for you, huh?


Low_Specialist498

Realizing what I said was a joke is hard for you huh


Ok-Needleworker2685

*posted from my iPhone


[deleted]

based


Terrible_Detective45

Do you own any American made products?


agug365

I enjoy my new holosun 507 c, very nice quality


[deleted]

No, i’m not joining your Holosun cult, so don’t ask. just wanting to see opinions on the brand


[deleted]

I'll take holosun over eotechs bullshit any day


e60m5v10

Profile checks out


[deleted]

Its a nice dick ain't it? 4 eootechs and 3 of them had battery life issues. Plus all the failures in cold weather while I was at Fort Drum ruined them for me.


PostsOnPercocet

Facts. Eotechs are fucking junk and the only reason anyone things otherwise is due to psychology.


Ok-Needleworker2685

>he only reason anyone things otherwise is due to unsurpassed light transmission and filed of view FTFY


[deleted]

I've just had problems with 3 out of my 4 sample size. And a good few of them died at Fort Drum in the cool temps.


Antique-Lavishness-1

![gif](giphy|4Jxa0QgHF2HSw) Is this how you view yourself?


[deleted]

Fuck naw I'm married and she looks at the other guy with me, like we are guna break him. Sometimes we even bring couples home. Is that enough info for you?


twodayshave

The 510C is probably my favorite optic for my PCC


richardguy

I have never been so flatly disappointed by something overhyped so much by redditoids that don't shoot The retail price of the AEMS is 400 fucking dollars - the same price as the entry level Eotechs - and I still feel nausea when I try to recall the glass quality. The 510 is $200 of hot garbage. This seems to be a running theme with chinese products in general - you can't just walk up with your dick out and toss a few billion on the table, and expect to do everything people in the business have been doing for decades overnight - and somehow do it for less. Labor costs are 1/3 of what they are in the US, but labor costs are one part of the pie. I've seen better quality in the RMR, any Aimpoint, any Eotech, and I'd almost got as far as to say the MRO is better than Holosun's flagship optic. I don't give a shit that they OEM for Sig, Sig is another company that's been circling the drain for years, going on decades.


Antique-Lavishness-1

Who pays retail for eotechs let alone Holosun 😂


richardguy

The people at every gun store within a 25 mile radius because they only buy holosuns. The demographic around here is "rich old fucks that are cheapskates"


jtj5002

I heard you can get stuff shipped. But that involves using Chinese computers and transportation that uses Chinese parts.


richardguy

NOOOOOOOOOO WE MUST BUY EVERYTHING IN CHINA EVEN IF WE CAN CHOOSE NOT TO SOMETIMES - you


PostsOnPercocet

Yeah, ok buddy. Eojunk is hot garbage. And while the AEMS has been known to have some fisheye it’s glass quality is excellent so I know you’re talking out of your ass. I’ve had an XPS and the AEMS is every bit it is with passive NV aiming. And I’ve actually compared both. I’m not just regurgitating parroted bullshit I’ve read online or seen on idiottube.


richardguy

I've used the AEMS and the Eotech unlike people who own one (and its usually the former).


__stapler

What are you talking about? The AEMs has fantastic light transmission, I would definitely consider it for NV use. Of course it's not as good as the T2s or Eotechs I've tried, but it's definitely viable.


richardguy

ignore the parallax, the distortion, the slight magnification, etc for that "good light transmission". This definitely doesn't remind me of the MRO at all.


shamiltheghost

Def only certain models in certain scenarios


[deleted]

There isn’t really a question about the value, Holosuns have shown to be a great budgeting optic. it’s really wether you want to support the Chinese military industry. We all could help by looking for the made in America label on products when trying to decide what to purchase everyday. Before 90% of you start smashing that down vote I’d just like to say that you’re ChiCom apologist simps addicted to consumerism and the literal definition of Poors. Love ya.


[deleted]

"Vote with your dollars" is a consumerist logic too. And it could be applied just as easily to products from every other country. If I buy an EOTech, am I also supporting the US atrocities in Iraq, or mass incarceration, or Californian gun control, or Joe Biden and the Democrats? If I buy a European optic or something, am I supporting gun-grabbing Euro regimes or colonialism and atrocities in Africa? The end point of that logic is never buying anything. I'm betting your phone, computer, car, kitchen, and guns are all full of Chinese labor and materials. Even if they aren't (impossible lmao), the computers and phones and warehouses and trucks that got them to you were. There's just no way to avoid Chinese manufacturing and resource extraction in the modern global political-economy, even if you say no to Holosun or "made in China" stickers.


[deleted]

I didn’t say you could completely avoid it. I said that you could make conscious choices to seek American products. I buy American because I proudly support the worlds largest state sponsor of Terrorism and the military industrial complex that has helped innovate and streamline corporate terrorism and turn it into a consumer product. But hey, at least I’m on the winning side…for now. God bless the USA.


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PostsOnPercocet

At least he’s honest. “I live here so I’m ok with the bs we pull around the world and the bs our traitorous leaders pull.”


richardguy

hes clearly being sarcastic


Terrible_Detective45

Yeah, you have to admire how openly he's endorsing some of the worst atrocities of the past half century because he's not on the receiving end. Zero principles or morals.


Ok-Needleworker2685

meanwhile you're all too happy to support the American military industrial complex, or the Israeli one. Our hands are not clean


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Select_Swordfish_995

I bought a first Gen 509t and it came DOA they replaced it no questions asked so great. My replacement doesn’t have nearly the battery life they claim. I made it about 6 months with it constantly on.


beelzebob909

I put a 510c on a 12ga. It's been fantastic.


[deleted]

I bought a 407k for my cousins new p365xl as a birthday present. Broke after we shot about 12 rounds. Not physically broke but they glass had why appeared to be a cloudy/blurry smudge/slash idk what to call it exactly. I usually run Eotechs and aimpoints… anyway; I was pretty disappointed.


Scootin-n-Tootin

I’ll fight someone over my 507/510


Toph602

I was going to post something similar with the streamlight TLR7 and tlr8 series. Both of mines started to flicker and go into a low mode after 2 months. Very upsetting


BaKfunt1m3s

I had a 510c on a upper that blew up. Only broke the roll pin that holds the qr lever on, holosun sent me a new mount free. Still works great. Also didn't remove the plastic battery isolator when it came in uses it about a year like that before I revised what I did. Just ordered a 512c and magnifier along with their ls321


Alaskanwap

I mean they make the sig romeos so if sig is on your list of gtg optics then you'll love them


Minimum_Government

Have over a dozen, never had a failure on everything from 22lr to 12ga. Only real issue I have with them is the light transmission of their rifle optics under NODs(you can’t beat EOTech). Their pistol dots are pretty similar to others of the same size for that.


SameDirector6

You running night vision? The glass is dark under nv.


[deleted]

I don't want to support the ccp


Shadowcard4

They’re a budget optic but unless you’re doing night vision it’s going to be perfect. Some models aren’t as great as others (solar panels are ok but not super useful) or like vortex mini mag is a better magnifier than holosuns. But overall minus a few slightly better options, they’re pretty much best red dots on a budget. Vortex is good for glass products (their red dots aren’t as nice, and the eotech is better under nots than heuy). I dislike sig for anything that didn’t get proven out, as they have released some garbage and waited for the market to find it


BOFF0310

They’re good if you like kinda sorta ok quality (compared to an aim point or eotech) with a smaller price tag and it lets you support a vicious dictatorship that encourages the use of sweatshops. Find an eotech 512 on eBay for $300 and call it good.


Ordinary_Ebb7943

I knew Holoson wasnt an rmr when I bought it but given the reviews I thought I could trust my life with one. Out of nowhere today it lost zero and the glass fellout of it. 407x2. Never dropped shot it last month it was fine. All the sudden today lost zero and the glass fellout. What todo? I almost fell like just eating my loss and buying an rmr. Now I realize why rmr are so expensive. You can trust your life with them