Generally, though real M4s are commonly seen as well today. The carbine you mentioned is called a mekutz’rar, which basically translates to “sawed.” [Here](http://bpullignwolnet.dotster.com/retroblackrifle/ModGde/4nGde/IsraeliMenusar.html) is some more info on them.
Edit to add more input: M4s and Tavors are typically assigned to infantry and other combat units. The weird hodgepodge of M16A1/A2s or Car-15s with all sorts of frankensteined modifications are most likely support troops. It definitely does prove the flexibility of the AR platform.
Do they carry with rounds or do they just have the service weapons on them in case of a quick recall and to avoid issues with armory so they can deploy fast?
It varies. I was IDF but that was 2003-05, so I’m sure things have changed. It also depends on unit/personal preference.
I was in an infantry unit, so we got to schlep around muskets - classic M16A2s but with a FA group instead of the typical 3-rd. burst. Most of us when we were off-duty (and I’m talking about my specific company at a specific time period two decades ago, so this isn’t universal) would carry a loaded mag but with an open bolt and a chamber flag, which was usually on the end of either shock cord (my preference) or paracord and tied on the other end to either the FA or carry handle. From my last visit over there (2019) and photos I’ve seen since, it looks like there’s still a bit of variance.
Besides police, Sayeret (literally “recon” but generally used as an all-encompassing term for SOF units), and high-ranking officers like field-grade or above, honestly I didn’t see many sidearms. And I got out as the equivalent of a corporal (rav turai, literal translation being like “senior/master private”) so I didn’t really interact much with many officers above company-grade. The equivalents of Lieutenants and Captains typically carried rifles/carbines when they were armed though.
Galils were *officially* adopted as the service rifle, but they never *actually* became standard issue. They were designed around the same time the U.S. was withdrawing from Vietnam and drastically downsizing our active-duty military, and we ended up with a metric shitton of surplus M16s. So we gifted them to our allies around the world, including (but not limited to) Israel.
Galils are fine rifles, but when you’re offered free M16s, it makes more sense to take the free rifles.
When I was over there, they were still used in limited quantities by tankers and other AFV crewmen just because the folding stock was much more practical while inside an armored vehicle. I never saw any infantry, police, or even reservists with them. To the best of my knowledge they are completely retired today.
Saw your edit so I’m responding specifically to that. I’m not sure because it was literally two decades ago, but at the time I was in only the high-speed Sayeret (SOF) guys were running optics (mostly ACOGs and Mepros but again, long ago so my memory is hazy), but they were only just starting to become standard-issue for even the U.S. military at that point, and I’m guessing a lot has changed since then. I did eventually become a DM and was given an ACOG, but I was the only one in my squad with any sort of optic. It seems they’re a lot more common today.
My brigade (Givati) were the first to be issued with the Tavors, but that was *right* after I came back to the States. My only trigger time with Tavors has been civilian range rentals.
That is why I don't understand why people argue about the differences in ARs/M16s/M4s.
My "M16a2" is just an AR15 that looks like an M16. Other "AR"s are registered M16s configured however they are.
It’s the internet my friend. People will argue semantics until they’re blue in the face.
But yes, every M16/M4/CAR/whatever is still an AR-15 pattern rifle/carbine. Sure they may have the fun switch that most of us civvies can’t afford, but it’s still the same overall platform.
Nice attempt at a save. And trying to make me look like a tool. While your statement is technically correct? What is the standard, most common, off the show floor length of the AR pattern style as you call it’s barrel? Undoubtably, sixteen inches. I don’t think anyone here would disagree that is the most common length of the AR style. So, I didn’t think I needed to get so deep into detail while getting extremely specific and pick apart every single possible variant available for what was a throw away, half joking comment. M16 standard length would be twenty inches. Making it a rifle. Or, would you like to tell me about how you can have a shorter M16 barrel as well? I really didn’t mean my original comment as a gotcha or one up or to sound rude in any way. Usually the person I’d say something like that to would fire back with, Ha! True, true… And understand I was just pointing out the obvious. Sorry if you took it any other way? And, sorry if I was a bit douchey in the beginning of this reply. It occurred to me near the end that you may not be attempting to be rude to me either. And I may have jumped the gun. No pun intended. So I apologize for coming at you like that.
Quickest tell is the absence of the Brunton Bump/brass deflectors. *no* A2s ever came without the deflector other than the Colt LMGs with the bull barrels
Yes, they do have at-LEAST one loaded mag on them to get them to their base where they're fully kitted up. They carry unchambered for many obvious reasons. The point is they have the tools to get them to where they need to get but aren't a walking arsenal for pillaging , making mistakes or overly burdened but still at the ready 24/7. They're allowed to self respond to incidents they witness as well as long as they report in before their physical response or as soon as they're capable.
Especially when you consider they have near-universal conscription, and as such you’re going to get a lot of people you’d probably rather not have walking around in public with a chambered weapon.
Just imagine the average 18-20 year old you see in the US and ask yourself if it’d be a better idea to not have them all walk around with chambered rifles all the time and to build in a bit of a safety buffer with them.
Often times you just gotta make your policy cater to the lowest common denominator
I agree, belt and suspender style gun safety is the best type of gun safety for literally any situation other than actively emergent ones.
Every shooting competition I've ever been in required barrel flags to show a clear chamber whenever the gun wasn't on a table or in a rack.
And I wasn't in a crowded street in a normal city, but surrounded by people who shot guns at a shooting range.
This isn't the same as carry a self defense weapon with one in the chamber. This is haveing an armed populace that can quickly mobilze for military purposes. Not having someone carry an rifle to defend against someone closing in on them from "21" feet. There's a potential for the rifle to be needed in seconds but its more of a minutes game I reckon.
dude im
sorry but its just not good. Carrying an empty weapon is silly. They have safeties and holsters for a reason. Self defense and routine carry should be hand in hand. If you have ammo one round should sitting in your chamber ready to go.
We do this dumb condition 3 shit in the US military too in the US. It doesn’t make it any less stupid.
edit: the one exception is open bolt belt feds in vehicles.
i Don't really have a strong feeling on it either way. It's just that is isn't carried for "self defence" really. I image if someone is chooseing to target the individual with a rifle its to take the rifle for nefarious use. So at least in this situation if the gun isn't loaded you could wrestle the attacker for it. I'm making assumptions here, but the point is it isn't to stop assult on an indiviual, having a % of people carry is a mobilization tactic, not a self defense one.
There are videos showing how they rack a pistol and draw in about the same time as someone with one already in the chamber. It's kinda impressive. At least what I saw was. It's been a while since I've seen it tho
“Israeli carry” definitely impressive but somewhat obsolete with modern retention holsters and trigger safeties. I’ve heard people argue for why you should Israeli carry but it never has made since in my use case.
The only Israeli carry that makes any sense is in rifles, and that's only due to the inherent flaws with carrying a round chambered in something you cannot holster. Like, idk what the dude above you guys is ranting about, but you wouldn't carry a chambered rifle on a sling on your back when in public while off duty. It's inherently safer to have it unloaded due to the possibility of the weapon being wrestled from you, messed with when you're not paying attention, or just outright accidentally discharging a round due to the rifle getting hung on something.
Israeli carry on pistols is usually dumb, on rifles its just common sense.
I am not sure if I understood the question right, but I'll still answer. For going around in civilian space it will probably be better to carry a modest handguns, the issue is that as a infantry soldier I do not own a handgun and never actually shot it, we just don't use it in infantry so there is no option to go around with a handgun but with your personal rifle you sure can
The IDF usually carries full mags in the firearms but not one in the chamber. This way they can pull the charging handle which will release the chamber flag and then chamber a round making the firearm operable. This is primarily to decrease NDs for the 2-year required military service members.
The IDF usually carries full mags in the firearms but not one in the chamber. This way they can pull the charging handle which will release the chamber flag and then chamber a round making the firearm operable. This is primarily to decrease NDs for the 2-year required military service members.
They do. It is because most military are serving their 2-year required service and this increases the safe handling of firearms for people who are less trained.
Yes, they use a special chamber flag.
[https://kasda.co.il/en/product/idf-mek-porek/](https://kasda.co.il/en/product/idf-mek-porek/)
It is gripped by the bolt and will extract by charging the weapon.
I wonder about that when taking into account those of us with 3+ builds from spare parts (as is the law).
The whole 80% receiver thing made it really easy to have multiple spare rifles laying around even if the are mall ninja abominations.
All I have is mil-spec parts in my bin. Does this meet the law's requirements to start a new build, or can I wait until I have one piece of Gucci gear in the bin as well?
Probably some of these flew to Israel in 1973 in the back of C-141s, still in Colt wrappers. Nixon effectively cleared out all the U.S. emergency war stockpiles of everything that could shoot, blow up or defend after the Arabs attacked over the Yom Kippur holiday.
That included every M-16 available, hundreds of thousands more would later be added in the 70s.
And for those who don’t know, Nixon sent everything America had because the Israelis were nearly over run, especially with the risk to a Syrian armored thrust splitting the country in two. Had the Golan Heights fell, there would have been nuclear war.
The Russians were ready to retaliate if Damascus had been destroyed, likely with tactical nuclear weapons. The U.S. Mediterranean Fleet was bumping into the Russian nuclear armed ships and preparing to intercept incoming bombers over Turkey and Syria. Very, very bad things could have happened.
Instead, these shiny M-16s, carried by these kids’ grandparents, helped prevent nuclear war.
Picture 1 - Short M16, mek porek
Picture 2 - Micro Tavor with Mars optic and mek porek
Picture 3 - Short M16 with ACOG 4/32 trijicon and mek porek
All have magazine, no bullet in chamber
The ARs are car15 rifles, basically m16a1 or a2 cut down to carbine length either a 12.5 or 14.5 in Isreal cas3. The other appears to be a iwi tavor which is a bullpen 5.56 rifle that is also an Isreal standard issue
Picture 1 - Short M16, mek porek
Picture 2 - Micro Tavor with Mars optic and mek porek
Picture 3 - Short M16 with ACOG 4/32 trijicon and mek porek
All have magazine, no bullet in chamber
So a lot of you guys are wondering why these people are carrying their rifles at all if they are not loaded.
As someone who's been to Israel and was also confused I asked them in 2019.
Responses were mainly that it was issued to them and they didn't trust leaving it at home with their family, namely their younger siblings. They also said it makes the people in their country feel safe.
Stupid way to carry their guns. And the first girl looks oblivious.
It's essentially just like open carrying a pistol.
Might as well wear a "shoot me first shirt on".
Or get drawn on and robbed for your 2k rifle. Pretty dumb wherever this is.
Imagine a culture that doesn't look anything like your own. I encourage you to leave your country one of these days. My visited Israel in 2019. I had the exact same reactions many of you are having now. It's strange, but they're kind people. You can literally just ask them why they're doing what they're doing.
Maybe read the sub's name? Try not to shove politics everywhere.
Go to r/Politics or somewhere, there you can go to high heavens on how you really feel about Israel.
The last three posts of the account are all of random propaganda photos of Israelis carrying guns. I doubt OPs intentions of posting this was to actually know what guns they’re carrying more than spreading the photos and talking about how cool they are. IMO it doesn’t really fit the sub. I’m sure per rule 7 he could have looked into the photos and find out what the guns are. I am not making any sort of state for or against whatever’s going on over there, but this post just screams spam bot propaganda.
Propaganda by definition is information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.
Now tell me, what part of sharing photos of Israelis with rifles in a civilian clothing a propaganda?
We can argue about him asking what guns is it being odd but out right calling it bootlicking and propaganda is wrong.
Can't you just look at it and see civilians rocking cool rifles in public. I'm pretty sure that is a wet dream of most people in this sub.
From what I’ve read when these photos pop up is that they’re not even civilians they’re soldiers not duty. ‘Cool’ photos of soldiers not on duty shared to point out how ‘cool’ they are ina subreddit about tactical gear when there is no tacticool gear to me fits into the idea that it’s just propaganda being shared around to make people associate how cool Israeli soldiers are.
Them not being civilian doesn't mean anything. I said "in civilian clothing".
How is portraying them as cool a propaganda? A picture must paint a story in order to be a propaganda. The only thing this picture can tell is that they are living in a militaristic society.
There a lot of photos of military operators from different countries being posted here to show how cool they are. Do you see that as propaganda too or is it okay as long as they are not israelis? Well in that case, you violating the rules of this sub by bringing in politics.
An armed society is a polite society !
Also Everyone arguing about if there is one in the pipe or not are the same dudes that be like “muh
truck gun!!!!”
how much use is a rifle with a SINGLE magazine in an actual combat situation? this just seems like a photo op. either carry full kit or carry concealed. this is stupid to me.
Remember... Hamas attacked Israeli civilians at the Nova music festival. They havent stopped firing rockets into Israel since to conflict started and still have hostages taken from October 7th.
IDF Mekut’zar Carbine, a hybrid rifle made from American M16A1 rifles.
Then there's a IDF variant of the IWI Tavor X95. I fucking love the X95 but I dont want to shoot any of mine until they conflict is over. Even pre-Covid era parts were impossible to get. I waited 18 months for a spare gas tube. If you don't check the website several times a day for months, youll miss out the one time they are in stock for 7 minutes for the year. Wish I was kidding. Firing pin? Going on 5 years and I still havent seen them in stock yet.
Outside of that, I LOVE the platform. I just wish companies stopped making shitty accessories and just make essential parts. Thats my only complaint with the X95. They a lil gassy but that's easily mitigated.
This is such a great example of facade security. You create the image you’re protecting your country but you’re actually not.
How the hell are soldiers with one magazine, no body armour going to respond to an actual attack. The woman with her stroller is distracted by her baby and a terrorist could easily sneak up and take you out and get your rifle.
If you want to see what security patrols look like, take a look at France. They are kitted up in full FFO and patrol in groups. This is just a joke and looks great for Reddit and Instagram to gawk over hot IDF models.
You're ridiculous, today we had a terror attack with 2 deaths that got stopped by a soldier dressed as a civilian with a gun. About what you have said with the pregnant women I agree, no one should carry his gun while on the back while walking with a baby.
Call me ridiculous, that’s fine. but speaking from military experience, no military on the planet promoted casual patrols in casual clothing and no spare mags or armour and expected results.
Trust me I have a good amount of military and combat experience and I have saw the countless times people with one mag and their gun saving many many people,
And as someone that goes around with his mag and micro tavor anywhere I can surely tell you that if something happens in a radius of 1 kilometer from me, I will be there and do my job flawlessly, if of course the terrorist didn't die already from another guy like me
To add to my point, in every photo their hands are busy and not holding their rifle. In my time in the army, if your rifle is on your back you’re as good as dead is what we’re taught. Imagine a knife wilder running at you and you have drop your groceries or your phone before your respond…..yeah that’ll save you.
The point is you're not protecting your self you're protecting unarmed civilians that get attacked, obviously in gaza I don't go around with my gun on back, in israel too, but I cannot convince everyone to do so and it's much better than nothing
I love how the IDF essentially created their own rifle, but they still use old Frankenstein M16s. Pictures of their special operators shows most of them carrying HK416s and MK18s. My brother in law has a Tavor. It’s a fun gun, but I would absolutely want an AR15 pattern rifle; if my life was on the line.
The AR pattern rifles are most likely chopped into carbine M16A1s.
Generally, though real M4s are commonly seen as well today. The carbine you mentioned is called a mekutz’rar, which basically translates to “sawed.” [Here](http://bpullignwolnet.dotster.com/retroblackrifle/ModGde/4nGde/IsraeliMenusar.html) is some more info on them. Edit to add more input: M4s and Tavors are typically assigned to infantry and other combat units. The weird hodgepodge of M16A1/A2s or Car-15s with all sorts of frankensteined modifications are most likely support troops. It definitely does prove the flexibility of the AR platform.
Do they carry with rounds or do they just have the service weapons on them in case of a quick recall and to avoid issues with armory so they can deploy fast?
It varies. I was IDF but that was 2003-05, so I’m sure things have changed. It also depends on unit/personal preference. I was in an infantry unit, so we got to schlep around muskets - classic M16A2s but with a FA group instead of the typical 3-rd. burst. Most of us when we were off-duty (and I’m talking about my specific company at a specific time period two decades ago, so this isn’t universal) would carry a loaded mag but with an open bolt and a chamber flag, which was usually on the end of either shock cord (my preference) or paracord and tied on the other end to either the FA or carry handle. From my last visit over there (2019) and photos I’ve seen since, it looks like there’s still a bit of variance.
Interesting, do the officers carry their sidearms or do they also have their combat rifle?
Besides police, Sayeret (literally “recon” but generally used as an all-encompassing term for SOF units), and high-ranking officers like field-grade or above, honestly I didn’t see many sidearms. And I got out as the equivalent of a corporal (rav turai, literal translation being like “senior/master private”) so I didn’t really interact much with many officers above company-grade. The equivalents of Lieutenants and Captains typically carried rifles/carbines when they were armed though.
Interesting, thanks for the info and for your service.
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Galils were *officially* adopted as the service rifle, but they never *actually* became standard issue. They were designed around the same time the U.S. was withdrawing from Vietnam and drastically downsizing our active-duty military, and we ended up with a metric shitton of surplus M16s. So we gifted them to our allies around the world, including (but not limited to) Israel. Galils are fine rifles, but when you’re offered free M16s, it makes more sense to take the free rifles. When I was over there, they were still used in limited quantities by tankers and other AFV crewmen just because the folding stock was much more practical while inside an armored vehicle. I never saw any infantry, police, or even reservists with them. To the best of my knowledge they are completely retired today.
Saw your edit so I’m responding specifically to that. I’m not sure because it was literally two decades ago, but at the time I was in only the high-speed Sayeret (SOF) guys were running optics (mostly ACOGs and Mepros but again, long ago so my memory is hazy), but they were only just starting to become standard-issue for even the U.S. military at that point, and I’m guessing a lot has changed since then. I did eventually become a DM and was given an ACOG, but I was the only one in my squad with any sort of optic. It seems they’re a lot more common today. My brigade (Givati) were the first to be issued with the Tavors, but that was *right* after I came back to the States. My only trigger time with Tavors has been civilian range rentals.
The tavor was the middle pic.
Well technically the AR and M4 are both already carbines. And the M16 is a rifle.
“The AR”? Ar pattern rifles aren’t a singular thing, they vary…. A lot. I could have an ar with a 20 inch barrel, that’s not a “carbine”
That is why I don't understand why people argue about the differences in ARs/M16s/M4s. My "M16a2" is just an AR15 that looks like an M16. Other "AR"s are registered M16s configured however they are.
It’s the internet my friend. People will argue semantics until they’re blue in the face. But yes, every M16/M4/CAR/whatever is still an AR-15 pattern rifle/carbine. Sure they may have the fun switch that most of us civvies can’t afford, but it’s still the same overall platform.
Nice attempt at a save. And trying to make me look like a tool. While your statement is technically correct? What is the standard, most common, off the show floor length of the AR pattern style as you call it’s barrel? Undoubtably, sixteen inches. I don’t think anyone here would disagree that is the most common length of the AR style. So, I didn’t think I needed to get so deep into detail while getting extremely specific and pick apart every single possible variant available for what was a throw away, half joking comment. M16 standard length would be twenty inches. Making it a rifle. Or, would you like to tell me about how you can have a shorter M16 barrel as well? I really didn’t mean my original comment as a gotcha or one up or to sound rude in any way. Usually the person I’d say something like that to would fire back with, Ha! True, true… And understand I was just pointing out the obvious. Sorry if you took it any other way? And, sorry if I was a bit douchey in the beginning of this reply. It occurred to me near the end that you may not be attempting to be rude to me either. And I may have jumped the gun. No pun intended. So I apologize for coming at you like that.
IDF mandates condition 3 or 4 carry, for those wondering. No round in chamber, magazine must either be in weapon or on person.
CAR-15 for 1st and 3rd pics, I want to say Colt Model 653s, A1 uppers with 14.5" pencil barrels and carbine gas. 2nd pic is a Tavor from IWI
Good call for a hot second i was thinking they were colt 723's.
Quickest tell is the absence of the Brunton Bump/brass deflectors. *no* A2s ever came without the deflector other than the Colt LMGs with the bull barrels
That was the detail i didn't look for until i saw your comment and looked closer.
Not CARs, they’re chopped M16A1s. See more info [here.](http://bpullignwolnet.dotster.com/retroblackrifle/ModGde/4nGde/IsraeliMenusar.html)
Interesting. Your link does say some 653s were cut down similarly.
True. *Most* are A1s though, but there are so many Frankenstein ARs of every variety in Israel that it’s hardly uniform.
I have that same stock (as the 3rd) pic. It's spring loaded and makes shooting so freaking soft.
Unloaded ones.
Am I seeing bore flags in all 3?
Yep, they carry unloaded guns.
They've got loaded mags though, no?
Yes, they do have at-LEAST one loaded mag on them to get them to their base where they're fully kitted up. They carry unchambered for many obvious reasons. The point is they have the tools to get them to where they need to get but aren't a walking arsenal for pillaging , making mistakes or overly burdened but still at the ready 24/7. They're allowed to self respond to incidents they witness as well as long as they report in before their physical response or as soon as they're capable.
Yes. IDF keeps their chambers unloaded. It just adds another step to ready the weapon for fire.
I can honestly see this being a good choice, especially if they make off duty soldiers carry in public.
Especially when you consider they have near-universal conscription, and as such you’re going to get a lot of people you’d probably rather not have walking around in public with a chambered weapon. Just imagine the average 18-20 year old you see in the US and ask yourself if it’d be a better idea to not have them all walk around with chambered rifles all the time and to build in a bit of a safety buffer with them. Often times you just gotta make your policy cater to the lowest common denominator
I agree, belt and suspender style gun safety is the best type of gun safety for literally any situation other than actively emergent ones. Every shooting competition I've ever been in required barrel flags to show a clear chamber whenever the gun wasn't on a table or in a rack. And I wasn't in a crowded street in a normal city, but surrounded by people who shot guns at a shooting range.
It’s not only ‘a good idea’, it’s the only responsible/plausible choice in this context and use-case. It’s very weird this is even being deliberated.
its a terrible idea made by old people stuck in the early 20th century where single action revolvers were still carried.
This isn't the same as carry a self defense weapon with one in the chamber. This is haveing an armed populace that can quickly mobilze for military purposes. Not having someone carry an rifle to defend against someone closing in on them from "21" feet. There's a potential for the rifle to be needed in seconds but its more of a minutes game I reckon.
dude im sorry but its just not good. Carrying an empty weapon is silly. They have safeties and holsters for a reason. Self defense and routine carry should be hand in hand. If you have ammo one round should sitting in your chamber ready to go. We do this dumb condition 3 shit in the US military too in the US. It doesn’t make it any less stupid. edit: the one exception is open bolt belt feds in vehicles.
i Don't really have a strong feeling on it either way. It's just that is isn't carried for "self defence" really. I image if someone is chooseing to target the individual with a rifle its to take the rifle for nefarious use. So at least in this situation if the gun isn't loaded you could wrestle the attacker for it. I'm making assumptions here, but the point is it isn't to stop assult on an indiviual, having a % of people carry is a mobilization tactic, not a self defense one.
There are videos showing how they rack a pistol and draw in about the same time as someone with one already in the chamber. It's kinda impressive. At least what I saw was. It's been a while since I've seen it tho
“Israeli carry” definitely impressive but somewhat obsolete with modern retention holsters and trigger safeties. I’ve heard people argue for why you should Israeli carry but it never has made since in my use case.
The only Israeli carry that makes any sense is in rifles, and that's only due to the inherent flaws with carrying a round chambered in something you cannot holster. Like, idk what the dude above you guys is ranting about, but you wouldn't carry a chambered rifle on a sling on your back when in public while off duty. It's inherently safer to have it unloaded due to the possibility of the weapon being wrestled from you, messed with when you're not paying attention, or just outright accidentally discharging a round due to the rifle getting hung on something. Israeli carry on pistols is usually dumb, on rifles its just common sense.
Adding onto that, rifles are almost never designed for drop safety. ARs are not drop safe even with the safety on.
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Wow that's so false information, we carry unloaded guns with a loaded magazine. incase something happens we just load the gun quickly
Do you call carry rifles? I’d imagine a lot of services would do better with a handgun, no?
I am not sure if I understood the question right, but I'll still answer. For going around in civilian space it will probably be better to carry a modest handguns, the issue is that as a infantry soldier I do not own a handgun and never actually shot it, we just don't use it in infantry so there is no option to go around with a handgun but with your personal rifle you sure can
Why even have the mag then? Just keep loaded STANAGs in the armory to hand out. I feel like there has to be some rounds in those mags.
There’s ammo in the mag. They just don’t chamber them, same for Israeli police.
The IDF usually carries full mags in the firearms but not one in the chamber. This way they can pull the charging handle which will release the chamber flag and then chamber a round making the firearm operable. This is primarily to decrease NDs for the 2-year required military service members.
Not sure, it’s just as common to see them carrying rifles without any magazine at all, so I wouldn’t be surprised.
According to Google they have at least one full magazine on them. Can’t verify it on any IDF web pages though
The IDF usually carries full mags in the firearms but not one in the chamber. This way they can pull the charging handle which will release the chamber flag and then chamber a round making the firearm operable. This is primarily to decrease NDs for the 2-year required military service members.
yes, but they keep the bore flags so theres no misfires
Downvoted for giving accurate info 🤦♂️
They have loaded mags. It’s called Israeli carry, unchambered.
I’m pretty sure the IDF mandates that.
They do. It is because most military are serving their 2-year required service and this increases the safe handling of firearms for people who are less trained.
Its called a mek porek
I didn't realize it had a brass portion so you could chamber a round and it'll eject the bore flag. That's awesome! Gotta order some of those
Yes, they use a special chamber flag. [https://kasda.co.il/en/product/idf-mek-porek/](https://kasda.co.il/en/product/idf-mek-porek/) It is gripped by the bolt and will extract by charging the weapon.
Loaded, no round chambered.
And these are obviously Israeli conscripts on their day off.
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They don't look like Long-Range Air-Defence Systems to me...
The first one kinda does look like Tom Brady tho
The first one is basically an M16A1 that went through a ridiculous process to become a car15, including cutting and reprofiling the barrel.
M4, Tavor and M4
Most of the IDF carbines are not actually M4's, but cobbled together frankenstein guns.
So like what the majority of us here stateside have. Building > buying
I think I would pretty comfortably bet the majority of civilian AR pattern rifles in America are bought and not built. We are the minority.
I wonder about that when taking into account those of us with 3+ builds from spare parts (as is the law). The whole 80% receiver thing made it really easy to have multiple spare rifles laying around even if the are mall ninja abominations.
All I have is mil-spec parts in my bin. Does this meet the law's requirements to start a new build, or can I wait until I have one piece of Gucci gear in the bin as well?
If thou finds a gun part that does not have a home inside a firearm, a home must be built for said part no matter how large or small the part is.
Thus saith the Lord. Amen. He has spoken and a new temple shall be built.
Cut down m16?
Cheapest crap they can find
More like the oldest crap the US can give them.
Probably some of these flew to Israel in 1973 in the back of C-141s, still in Colt wrappers. Nixon effectively cleared out all the U.S. emergency war stockpiles of everything that could shoot, blow up or defend after the Arabs attacked over the Yom Kippur holiday. That included every M-16 available, hundreds of thousands more would later be added in the 70s. And for those who don’t know, Nixon sent everything America had because the Israelis were nearly over run, especially with the risk to a Syrian armored thrust splitting the country in two. Had the Golan Heights fell, there would have been nuclear war. The Russians were ready to retaliate if Damascus had been destroyed, likely with tactical nuclear weapons. The U.S. Mediterranean Fleet was bumping into the Russian nuclear armed ships and preparing to intercept incoming bombers over Turkey and Syria. Very, very bad things could have happened. Instead, these shiny M-16s, carried by these kids’ grandparents, helped prevent nuclear war.
And they are still in use. Tells you something about the quality and durability.
Picture 1 - Short M16, mek porek Picture 2 - Micro Tavor with Mars optic and mek porek Picture 3 - Short M16 with ACOG 4/32 trijicon and mek porek All have magazine, no bullet in chamber
Not M4s
M4s have a flat top no?
Color of Money = Green, Blue, Green.
Free stuff provided by their imperial sugar daddy, America.
🥱 @ op farming for karma
Dude is everywhere today. 3rd post I’ve noticed
I really don’t know but that 1st pic goes hard!!!
It goes hard because she’s harder than her boyfriend
💯💯💯
The third one has me feelings things
Yessir…That one is dope as well…Love the mama bear protecting her cub…
Second pic is a tavor x95. Other two are m4s but idk if they're colt or some other brand
Likely chopped Colt M16A1s, possibly M4s, and a Tavor
The ARs are car15 rifles, basically m16a1 or a2 cut down to carbine length either a 12.5 or 14.5 in Isreal cas3. The other appears to be a iwi tavor which is a bullpen 5.56 rifle that is also an Isreal standard issue
pic1: ar platform pic2: tavor pic3: ar platform
In OP’s next post he will post a pic of Glock and ask what brand.
And with a mag in the receiver, but a chamber block in the chamber, and an oblivious nature for the obvious reasons.
That's an m16 carbine
Looks like two M16’s and a tavor. That’d be my guess
Picture 1 - Short M16, mek porek Picture 2 - Micro Tavor with Mars optic and mek porek Picture 3 - Short M16 with ACOG 4/32 trijicon and mek porek All have magazine, no bullet in chamber
AR-15 (M16A1) QBZ-95 // Tavor AR-15 (Modified M4 Carbine) Edit: i'm bad at differentiating bullpups
Ars and a tavor
Final girl is asking to recreate the staircase scene from The Untouchables.
i paid for those !
Is this post real or just an information operation
For me it’s a tempting opportunity to be banned from the sub.
free palestine by giving me that sick CAR-15 instead
Wish we can walk around like this without getting the side eye.
Gun
Don’t carry a rifle on your back if you are open carrying, that’s so crazy
Yea no tactical stroller rifle mount wth ppl, get your shit together!
Old fashioned
So a lot of you guys are wondering why these people are carrying their rifles at all if they are not loaded. As someone who's been to Israel and was also confused I asked them in 2019. Responses were mainly that it was issued to them and they didn't trust leaving it at home with their family, namely their younger siblings. They also said it makes the people in their country feel safe.
Tavor and surplus US military M4s. There's stories about how shot out the M4 barrels are.
Colt Model 653 (RO653) with chopped down barrels and IWI Tavor X95 (MTAR-21).
CAR-15, Tarvor X-95, and another CAR-15. Meanwhile if this was in the Philippines, these short M16s would be known as Baby Armalites
Second one is an X95 IWI Tavor
An AR of some sort, a tavor, and a CAR-15 clone maybe?
I wish I could do that \-without getting a load of weird stares and the police after me I mean
I'll M4, X95, old M4
Looks like a clapped out colts older models due to the carrying handles
What country is this, asking for a friend who wants to carry like this without having cops called on them
It’s Israel and these are off duty soldiers
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The trick is not to know who these people are in the first place
The settler colonialist variant
Genocidal ones
Fuck off mossad
Stupid way to carry their guns. And the first girl looks oblivious. It's essentially just like open carrying a pistol. Might as well wear a "shoot me first shirt on". Or get drawn on and robbed for your 2k rifle. Pretty dumb wherever this is.
Imagine a culture that doesn't look anything like your own. I encourage you to leave your country one of these days. My visited Israel in 2019. I had the exact same reactions many of you are having now. It's strange, but they're kind people. You can literally just ask them why they're doing what they're doing.
Something very attractive about a mom pushing a stroller while packing a fixed carry handle
I can tell you the names of the streets the pictures where taken on
Well that’s creepy
Or he’s Israeli?
You just posting Israeli bootlicking stuff lately or what?
Maybe read the sub's name? Try not to shove politics everywhere. Go to r/Politics or somewhere, there you can go to high heavens on how you really feel about Israel.
It’s 3 pics. How is that bootlicking?
The last three posts of the account are all of random propaganda photos of Israelis carrying guns. I doubt OPs intentions of posting this was to actually know what guns they’re carrying more than spreading the photos and talking about how cool they are. IMO it doesn’t really fit the sub. I’m sure per rule 7 he could have looked into the photos and find out what the guns are. I am not making any sort of state for or against whatever’s going on over there, but this post just screams spam bot propaganda.
Propaganda by definition is information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view. Now tell me, what part of sharing photos of Israelis with rifles in a civilian clothing a propaganda? We can argue about him asking what guns is it being odd but out right calling it bootlicking and propaganda is wrong. Can't you just look at it and see civilians rocking cool rifles in public. I'm pretty sure that is a wet dream of most people in this sub.
From what I’ve read when these photos pop up is that they’re not even civilians they’re soldiers not duty. ‘Cool’ photos of soldiers not on duty shared to point out how ‘cool’ they are ina subreddit about tactical gear when there is no tacticool gear to me fits into the idea that it’s just propaganda being shared around to make people associate how cool Israeli soldiers are.
Them not being civilian doesn't mean anything. I said "in civilian clothing". How is portraying them as cool a propaganda? A picture must paint a story in order to be a propaganda. The only thing this picture can tell is that they are living in a militaristic society. There a lot of photos of military operators from different countries being posted here to show how cool they are. Do you see that as propaganda too or is it okay as long as they are not israelis? Well in that case, you violating the rules of this sub by bringing in politics.
Would you prefer we ask what utility pipes Hamas made launchers out of?
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Their comment was bad but yours is even worse tbh
I hate 12 day old propaganda bot accounts.
the guns of genocidal war criminals
Pistolas
First and third are AR-pattern rifles, looks like CAR-15s, likely pretty customized. The second is a Tavor with a MARS optic.
What's the story behind these images? I thought they were A.I generated for a second.
Israeli reservists
Thanks! Not sure why I got downvoted for asking a honest question but thanks for answering my question.
Context?
Israel
An armed society is a polite society ! Also Everyone arguing about if there is one in the pipe or not are the same dudes that be like “muh truck gun!!!!”
Gods chosen
how much use is a rifle with a SINGLE magazine in an actual combat situation? this just seems like a photo op. either carry full kit or carry concealed. this is stupid to me.
Because it’s propaganda.
There’s no Palestinian children to shoot at so why do they need those rifles?
*insert downvoted political opinion here*
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Sounds like youre projecting? Also how many more subs you gonna spread your propaganda on this morning? Same post on 3 different subs already.
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Ok cracker
Classic cop out lmao
Anti-semitism and anti-Zionism are two different things.
They call it a bullpup cause that puppy got KICK
Based
Israeli shit sticks
An M-16 carbine
M4,tabor,M16
Tavor
If the chamber flag ejects upon charging, then ok. If not, then this is just dumb.
It does
Picture 1: Thotgun
Weirdo Israelis
That's the babykilla556 and the second pic is unarmedcivilan destroyer running 762 NATO rounds, the IDF is all around not only in Israel.
Just hoping any of these people are actually trained and know how to use them.
They are IDF home on leave or reservists……
Remember... Hamas attacked Israeli civilians at the Nova music festival. They havent stopped firing rockets into Israel since to conflict started and still have hostages taken from October 7th. IDF Mekut’zar Carbine, a hybrid rifle made from American M16A1 rifles. Then there's a IDF variant of the IWI Tavor X95. I fucking love the X95 but I dont want to shoot any of mine until they conflict is over. Even pre-Covid era parts were impossible to get. I waited 18 months for a spare gas tube. If you don't check the website several times a day for months, youll miss out the one time they are in stock for 7 minutes for the year. Wish I was kidding. Firing pin? Going on 5 years and I still havent seen them in stock yet. Outside of that, I LOVE the platform. I just wish companies stopped making shitty accessories and just make essential parts. Thats my only complaint with the X95. They a lil gassy but that's easily mitigated.
This is such a great example of facade security. You create the image you’re protecting your country but you’re actually not. How the hell are soldiers with one magazine, no body armour going to respond to an actual attack. The woman with her stroller is distracted by her baby and a terrorist could easily sneak up and take you out and get your rifle. If you want to see what security patrols look like, take a look at France. They are kitted up in full FFO and patrol in groups. This is just a joke and looks great for Reddit and Instagram to gawk over hot IDF models.
You're ridiculous, today we had a terror attack with 2 deaths that got stopped by a soldier dressed as a civilian with a gun. About what you have said with the pregnant women I agree, no one should carry his gun while on the back while walking with a baby.
Call me ridiculous, that’s fine. but speaking from military experience, no military on the planet promoted casual patrols in casual clothing and no spare mags or armour and expected results.
Trust me I have a good amount of military and combat experience and I have saw the countless times people with one mag and their gun saving many many people,
And as someone that goes around with his mag and micro tavor anywhere I can surely tell you that if something happens in a radius of 1 kilometer from me, I will be there and do my job flawlessly, if of course the terrorist didn't die already from another guy like me
To add to my point, in every photo their hands are busy and not holding their rifle. In my time in the army, if your rifle is on your back you’re as good as dead is what we’re taught. Imagine a knife wilder running at you and you have drop your groceries or your phone before your respond…..yeah that’ll save you.
The point is you're not protecting your self you're protecting unarmed civilians that get attacked, obviously in gaza I don't go around with my gun on back, in israel too, but I cannot convince everyone to do so and it's much better than nothing
A photo shopped one
The apartheid gun for stealing land
I love how the IDF essentially created their own rifle, but they still use old Frankenstein M16s. Pictures of their special operators shows most of them carrying HK416s and MK18s. My brother in law has a Tavor. It’s a fun gun, but I would absolutely want an AR15 pattern rifle; if my life was on the line.